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| 17031995 (692hp) | The most robust mode is Sport+ but it reduces fuel consumption too much. Since M-Sport suspension for the F10 is not available, it is not possible to compare the Dynamic Handling Control settings. However, my E60 with the M-Sport suspension and my previous 2001 530 with the Sport package felt more supportive at highway speeds. They were incredibly strong at 133 mph and quiet. You literally couldn't tell you were going that fast, except for the speedometer and the small cars you were passing as if they were standing still. I took my 550 up to 100 mph, the maximum for the break-in period, in Sport+ and didn't feel as solid overall, largely because the steering isn't as firm when in gear. goes straight at high speed. The F10 is noisier at speed with more wind noise through the driver's door seals. However, this could have been due to the highways I was on. Don't get me wrong, I think the F10 is a good car and we'll take care of my impressions and memories. However, it can be said with certainty that the F10 550i with the Dynamic Handling Package and steering is not as sporty as my E60 M-Sport.550i. I should have waited for the M-Sport 550i, but BMW NA stupidly kept it a big secret until it was too late for me. BMW NA is making stupid decisions for the US market. They are both secret from BMW in Europe and Europeans get better choices and information. And they get the good stuff right away. They have more control over their options. We get big packages with marginal or useless options. Additionally, BMW NA has historically kept M-Sport options out of the US market for very long periods of time. BMW NA only made the E60 M-Sport package available 4 years after the E60 was released. I would give BMW NA an F- for communication on the future availability of the M-Sport suspension. They get an F for option packaging. BMW gets a C- for moving away from the sport aspect of the 5 Series and creating electronic doo dads when mechanical approaches worked better. Another disappointing aspect of the F10 concerns the seats. The side bolsters are not adjustable for some stupid reason on the F10 like on the E60 comfort seats. When you take a turn at high speed, you tend to slide in your seat, which is disconcerting. The F10 has moved away from the core values of BMW and why I bought 5 BMWs. The F10 is a giant compromise designed to appeal to a broader market and older demographic. This includes everything related to the car. The exterior design of the F10 is very safe and not very innovative. Driving characteristics due to the size of the car and over-reliance on electronics create artificial sporty characteristics. BMW has lost its way.
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| coco1 (290hp) | Fast! Sell your F10!
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| tigress (760hp) | I had planned to drive a 535i with the sport package this week to see if it fixed the poor steering feel on the base model, but now I'm wondering if I should even bother. What I find funny is that one of the dealers I worked with seems to think the new steering is better, but he also likes the active steering of the '11 X5, which I found horrible. One thing that would be interesting is if owners of these cars tried to differentiate the feel from the weight of the steering. Like many others, I don't like the lightness of the steering because it reminds me too much of the various Lexus/Lexi/whatever my wife has owned. However, I haven't driven the new 5 long enough to say whether or not it effectively communicates road feel, which may well be separate from weight. It would be nice to have some sort of dynamic steering option that allows the driver to adjust certain settings. When I tested a new 5 and then a new X5 (without active steering), I immediately smiled and thought, this is now how the steering wheel is supposed to feel! The steering wasn't too heavy, but it had a more weighted, focused feel. I actually think the 2011 X5 has better steering feel than my 2007 e92 335i, a car I enjoy driving..
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| 160595 (337hp) | Quote: Originally posted by pharding The F10 has moved away from BMW's core values and why I bought 5 BMWs. The F10 is a giant compromise designed to appeal to a broader market and older demographic. This includes everything related to the car. The exterior design of the F10 is very safe and not very innovative. Driving characteristics due to the size of the car and over-reliance on electronics create artificial sporty characteristics. BMW has lost its way. Having owned and driven 3 Series and 5 Series for the past 26 years and having driven the F10 535i, I unfortunately agree with your closing remarks. Simply put, the F10 (with sport package), at least to me, didn't feel like I was driving a BMW. If I had been driving with blinders on, I probably would have thought I was driving a Lexus. The almost complete absence of engine noise (and BMW is renowned for its glorious ones!!!) and the heavy feel to the uncommunicative steering wheel made me feel like I was driving some sort of limousine - rather than a BMW 5er . At the end of my test drive, when parking the car at the dealership, the lack of agility (long wheelbase + wide turning radius) reinforced the limousine side of the car..
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| 147895 (153hp) | While waiting for the delivery of my 535 (scheduled for August 16), I read a lot of messages regarding the price paid for a 2011 F10. When I asked my dealer in Dallas for competitive prices for my car on order , he just shook his head. There are two good BMW dealerships here in Dallas and it seems neither of them have any intention of selling their cars at a discount. Can anyone else share their experiences negotiating 2011 F10s, whether they're off the lot or built to order? As they say: a deal isn't a deal until it's made..
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| stroppygoblin (741hp) | Hello guys, can you help me? What color are the F10s in this video? Thank you so much !
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| Travis (975hp) | I pay 1200 on invoice, but I had a price for the invoice
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| sprocket (416hp) | Black sapphire with cinnamon interior.....
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| 1qazxc (218hp) | Got 3% off listing with some options also on an F10 m sport due last week in September. A conclusive agreement taking into account.
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| libertad1 (276hp) | Hello guys, can you help me? What color are the F10s in this video? Thank you so much !
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| miley12 (92hp) | I got 8.8% off. I don't know if it's a good deal in general or not. but I'm happy with it.
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| mustang05 (201hp) | Black sapphire with cinnamon interior.....
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| chivas5 (280hp) | Quote: Originally posted by papahotel I got 8.8% off. I don't know if it's a good deal in general or not. but I'm happy with it. This might be the highest amount I've ever heard...I got $3,000 off, which is about 5%
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| frank2 (410hp) | well, we pay a fortune for a car here in the Netherlands. My 523 costs over 70,000 euros. so maybe because of that. maybe it's also because all my friends buy a car from the same dealership so if he doesn't give us what we want, we go to another dealership and he sells one less 6 a7 car :P.
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| knockout1 (954hp) | Quote: Posted by Grizzles I pay 1200 on bill, but I had a price for the bill. What exactly does that mean, price for the bill? Sorry, I don't understand. ---------------------------- I have two dealers near me, one said he would do $500 of discount, the other said the best they've done is $1,500 off for really good repeat customers (like me). I did a little better with them. I ordered my car on Saturday!
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| watkins (425hp) | First Post It seems there is a big difference in what UK dealers are offering. The first sales rep I contacted told me there was no discount, then agreed to 4% after a little haggling. While shopping I was offered 9% via an online supplier which ended up being a pretty fabulous 12%. I'm very happy with it. I forgot to add: perhaps the reduction reflected the fact that it is a high specification: Runflat tires Sports automatic transmission Alarm system (Thatcham 1) Tailgate operation, Climate windscreen Automatic comfort Reversing assistance camera Roof rails, panoramic Shadowline glossy glass sunroof Sun blinds - rear side windows Floor mats, velor first aid kit and exterior triangle. Auto-dimming folding mirrors Auto-dimming rearview mirror Smoker's package Automatic climate control with four-zone control Ambient lighting Ski bag Headlight washers Park Distance Control (PDC), front and rear TV function Head-up display Speaker system - BMW Professional Rear-seat entertainment - BMW Business USB interface Telephone USB audio interface Sun protection glass M Sport package Front sports seats Anthracite headliner 351M double-spoke alloy wheels 19 M sports suspension Oyster/Oyster Dakota leather Imperial blue Steering wheel M Xirallic Exterior High-gloss Shadowline M aerodynamic trim Fineline wood Anthracite Media package - BMW Professional BMW Assist Navigation system - BMW Professional Multimedia BMW Assist online portal Telephone preparation Bluetooth + telematics Voice control Visibility package High beam assistant Xenon headlights Adaptive headlights
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| 060878 (954hp) | I arrived at a 13.5% discount off the list price of my F11. This is a lease but not through BMW Financial Services. My employer has a very good agreement with BMW.
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| billy123 (866hp) | While waiting for the delivery of my 535 (scheduled for August 16), I read a lot of messages regarding the price paid for a 2011 F10. When I asked my dealer in Dallas for competitive prices for my car on order , he just shook his head. There are two good BMW dealerships here in Dallas and it seems neither of them have any intention of selling their cars at a discount. Can anyone else share their experiences negotiating 2011 F10s, whether they're off the lot or built to order? As they say: a deal isn't a deal until it's made..
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| 270794 (968hp) | I pay 1200 on invoice, but I had a price for the invoice
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| tashkent (922hp) | Got 3% off listing with some options also on an F10 m sport due last week in September. A conclusive agreement taking into account.
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| schach (775hp) | I got 8.8% off. I don't know if it's a good deal in general or not. but I'm happy with it.
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| buckmaster (381hp) | Quote: Originally posted by papahotel I got 8.8% off. I don't know if it's a good deal in general or not. but I'm happy with it. This might be the highest amount I've ever heard...I got $3,000 off, which is about 5%
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| 07061987 (663hp) | well, we pay a fortune for a car here in the Netherlands. My 523 costs over 70,000 euros. so maybe because of that. maybe it's also because all my friends buy a car from the same dealership so if he doesn't give us what we want, we go to another dealership and he sells one less 6 a7 car :P.
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| 261296 (488hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Grizzles I pay 1200 on bill, but I had a price for the bill. What exactly does that mean, price for the bill? Sorry, I don't understand. ---------------------------- I have two dealers near me, one said he would do $500 of discount, the other said the best they've done is $1,500 off for really good repeat customers (like me). I did a little better with them. I ordered my car on Saturday!
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| bonnie13 (39hp) | First Post It seems there is a big difference in what UK dealers are offering. The first sales rep I contacted told me there was no discount, then agreed to 4% after a little haggling. While shopping I was offered 9% via an online supplier which ended up being a pretty fabulous 12%. I'm very happy with it. I forgot to add: perhaps the reduction reflected the fact that it is a high specification: Runflat tires Sports automatic transmission Alarm system (Thatcham 1) Tailgate operation, Climate windscreen Automatic comfort Reversing assistance camera Roof rails, panoramic Shadowline glossy glass sunroof Sun blinds - rear side windows Floor mats, velor first aid kit and exterior triangle. Auto-dimming folding mirrors Auto-dimming rearview mirror Smoker's package Automatic climate control with four-zone control Ambient lighting Ski bag Headlight washers Park Distance Control (PDC), front and rear TV function Head-up display Speaker system - BMW Professional Rear-seat entertainment - BMW Business USB interface Telephone USB audio interface Sun protection glass M Sport package Front sports seats Anthracite headliner 351M double-spoke alloy wheels 19 M sports suspension Oyster/Oyster Dakota leather Imperial blue Steering wheel M Xirallic Exterior High-gloss Shadowline M aerodynamic trim Fineline wood Anthracite Media package - BMW Professional BMW Assist Navigation system - BMW Professional Multimedia BMW Assist online portal Telephone preparation Bluetooth + telematics Voice control Visibility package High beam assistant Xenon headlights Adaptive headlights
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| WIZARD (444hp) | I arrived at a 13.5% discount off the list price of my F11. This is a lease but not through BMW Financial Services. My employer has a very good agreement with BMW.
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| 050789 (684hp) | How many people add this option to extend the maintenance service? Is it worth it for $2,295 ?
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| wally123 (646hp) | It depends on how long you'll keep the car, the brake work (which you'll need) can quickly equal that cost. You can add it any time before your car reaches 4 years or 50,000 miles, so you don't have to do it when purchasing..
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| puffetta (156hp) | How many people add this option to extend the maintenance service? Is it worth it for $2,295 ?
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| Harvest (175hp) | It depends on how long you'll keep the car, the brake work (which you'll need) can quickly equal that cost. You can add it any time before your car reaches 4 years or 50,000 miles, so you don't have to do it when purchasing..
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| humberto1 (196hp) | Hi all, I was just wondering if anyone with a new F10 in the UK could tell me how much room there is for music on the pro navigation system? I'm just trying to figure out how many MP3s I can fit on the hard drive and how many I'll need to put on the iPhone to stream via Bluetooth. I guess it varies depending on the size of the cards. I can't find a definitive answer on the BMW site and no reference to it in the US owner's manual available online. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Kind regards Paul
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| vasantha (698hp) | about 12 GB for multimedia
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| killian (895hp) | @papahotel Thank you very much for your comments which are a great help thank you!
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| quick (316hp) | Hi all, I was just wondering if anyone with a new F10 in the UK could tell me how much room there is for music on the pro navigation system? I'm just trying to figure out how many MP3s I can fit on the hard drive and how many I'll need to put on the iPhone to stream via Bluetooth. I guess it varies depending on the size of the cards. I can't find a definitive answer on the BMW site and no reference to it in the US owner's manual available online. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Kind regards Paul
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| 080387 (267hp) | about 12 GB for multimedia
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| a123456z (495hp) | @papahotel Thank you very much for your comments which are a great help thank you!
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| blue75 (273hp) | Hi all, I thought you might find this http://bmw.connecteddrive.info/stage.php interesting. This is a BMW website that provides an overview of the Connected Player features. Very cool! Did lots of things I didn't know about! You can filter by location and model. Not all features are available in all markets, for example in the UK we can't get the anti-collision system, which is very sad! I hope this is helpful! Well done Paul
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| MikesX35i (441hp) | Hi everyone, I just read the press releases on the site, in even more detail. You can get them from the download section and also attach them to this article. Very smart feature! I'm so glad we have a car built in September, the functionality of the office is superb! I can't wait to try it in real life.
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| mypassw0rd (638hp) | I saw this earlier this week. Very informative link! Be sure to read these folks.
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| ashlyn1 (128hp) | Well nothing is available for us sorry a$$ in Hong Kong....
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| tibbie03 (801hp) | It is important to select your country to obtain accurate information. As usual, the US gets the good stuff later than the Europeans..
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| alberto10 (207hp) | Quote: Originally posted by pharding It is important to select your country for accurate information. As usual, the US gets the good stuff later than the Europeans. as usual, cars in the US are much cheaper than in Europe. :P
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| 040885 (56hp) | Great site but it seems best to live in Germany if you want EVERYTHING :-)
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| weiner (804hp) | @lukewarm indeed, but the website seems to imply that a lot of new features will arrive in September, so we're getting there!
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| garth1 (965hp) | Mobile office and internet via your mobile looks cool!
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| 180292 (786hp) | Hi all, I thought you might find this http://bmw.connecteddrive.info/stage.php interesting. This is a BMW website that provides an overview of the Connected Player features. Very cool! Did lots of things I didn't know about! You can filter by location and model. Not all features are available in all markets, for example in the UK we can't get the anti-collision system, which is very sad! I hope this is helpful! Well done Paul
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| yellow99 (934hp) | Hi everyone, I just read the press releases on the site, in even more detail. You can get them from the download section and also attach them to this article. Very smart feature! I'm so glad we have a car built in September, the functionality of the office is superb! I can't wait to try it in real life.
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| daniel83 (255hp) | I saw this earlier this week. Very informative link! Be sure to read these folks.
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| triston1 (822hp) | Well nothing is available for us sorry a$$ in Hong Kong....
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| darren123 (20hp) | It is important to select your country to obtain accurate information. As usual, the US gets the good stuff later than the Europeans..
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| MONICA (269hp) | Quote: Originally posted by pharding It is important to select your country for accurate information. As usual, the US gets the good stuff later than the Europeans. as usual, cars in the US are much cheaper than in Europe. :P
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| a72 (154hp) | Great site but it seems best to live in Germany if you want EVERYTHING :-)
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| alijo85 (60hp) | @lukewarm indeed, but the website seems to imply that a lot of new features will arrive in September, so we're getting there!
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| cpdp (649hp) | Mobile office and internet via your mobile looks cool!
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| sassy22 (170hp) | My understanding is that the M-Sport package and the Dynamic Handling package have the same suspension, steering, braking, etc. Another way of saying this is that the only differences between a US-spec 550 F10 with DHP and a US-spec 550 with the M sport package are cosmetic. Has anyone heard different things?
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| yvonne123 (426hp) | If by DHC you mean Dynamic Handling Package (ZDH), then yes. The US MSports Pack for the 550i includes: M Sport Pack 223 Electronic Damper Control 229 Active Roll Stabilization (ARS) 2ND 19 351M style double-spoke light alloy wheels with performance runflat tires (19x8.5, 245/40 R19 front and 19x9.0, 275/35 R19 rear) 2VA Adaptive Drive 456 Multicontour seats Hexagon aluminum interior trim 4MR or Light wood trim 4B5 or Aluminum trim 4B9 or Anthracite wood trim 4CE Steering wheel M 710 715 Kit aerodynamics 760 Shadowline exterior trim 775 Anthracite headliner 840 Increased top speed limiter Note that this is different from some of the European packages.
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| justin88 (278hp) | I can just add that in Europe, and perhaps other markets, the M sports package comes with M sports suspension and the car is lowered by 10mm. The M sports suspension can be replaced by the optional dynamic transmission and there is then no lowering.
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| Pete The Greek (301hp) | It would be fabulous if someone in Europe made a comparison between the Dynamic Handling package and the M-Sport suspension. This would be extremely useful.
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| 140595 (732hp) | My understanding is that the M-Sport package and the Dynamic Handling package have the same suspension, steering, braking, etc. Another way of saying this is that the only differences between a US-spec 550 F10 with DHP and a US-spec 550 with the M sport package are cosmetic. Has anyone heard different things?
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| njhyflj (535hp) | If by DHC you mean Dynamic Handling Package (ZDH), then yes. The US MSports Pack for the 550i includes: M Sport Pack 223 Electronic Damper Control 229 Active Roll Stabilization (ARS) 2ND 19 351M style double-spoke light alloy wheels with performance runflat tires (19x8.5, 245/40 R19 front and 19x9.0, 275/35 R19 rear) 2VA Adaptive Drive 456 Multicontour seats Hexagon aluminum interior trim 4MR or Light wood trim 4B5 or Aluminum trim 4B9 or Anthracite wood trim 4CE M steering wheel 710 715 Aerodynamic kit 760 Shadowline exterior trim 775 Anthracite headliner 840 Increased top speed limiter Note that this is different from some of the packages European.
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| jason! (476hp) | I can just add that in Europe, and perhaps other markets, the M sports package comes with M sports suspension and the car is lowered by 10mm. The M sports suspension can be optionally replaced by the dynamic transmission and there is then no lowering.
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| cardinal (496hp) | It would be fabulous if someone in Europe made a comparison between the Dynamic Handling package and the M-Sport suspension. This would be extremely useful.
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| 5zgc2T764B (905hp) | Hi everyone, I'm about to trade in my E92 330d for an F10 535d M Sport and I have a question about GPS. When driving at night on our beautiful, winding, unlit Scottish country roads, I generally prefer the screen to be off as it can be a distraction. However, on my 2008 E92, there is still a dim, but very noticeable backlight, even when I dimmed it completely before selecting "off". Also, the bottom information bar randomly lights up and then turns off, which is rather annoying. Can any of you F10 owners tell me if the screen behaves the same or if it goes completely dark when turned off? Thank you very much, Jon D..
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| thenewrick (206hp) | Interesting, I never thought about turning it off and I'm not sure it's possible. If it doesn't display navigation, vehicle mileage, or entertainment listings, it can just stay on the main menu, which is about as distracting as 7 or 8 buttons on the dash. The backlight is not too bright at all, although the brightness can be adjusted. I have mine maxed out and I didn't even think about it.
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| michelle77 (419hp) | I believe there is an option to turn off the screen
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| apandhi (817hp) | I have a F10 535i with pro navigation and the screen goes black and black, not the gray of my 2007 530i. Good luck
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| senna (358hp) | The 530d I had also went black - I turned it off by mistake while driving on the highway.
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| natalie7 (244hp) | Many thanks to all respondents
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| sangria (694hp) | Hi everyone, I'm about to trade in my E92 330d for an F10 535d M Sport and I have a question about GPS. When driving at night on our beautiful, winding, unlit Scottish country roads, I generally prefer the screen to be off as it can be a distraction. However, on my 2008 E92, there is still a dim, but very noticeable backlight, even when I dimmed it completely before selecting "off". Also, the bottom info bar randomly lights up and then turns off, which is rather annoying. Can any of you F10 owners tell me if the screen behaves the same or if it goes completely dark when turned off? Thank you very much, Jon D..
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| 198807 (227hp) | Interesting, I never thought about turning it off and I'm not sure it's possible. If it doesn't display navigation, vehicle mileage, or entertainment listings, it can just stay on the main menu, which is about as distracting as 7 or 8 buttons on the dash. The backlight is not too bright at all, although the brightness can be adjusted. I have mine maxed out and I didn't even think about it.
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| DuckofPrey (569hp) | I believe there is an option to turn off the screen
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| 240295 (16hp) | I have a F10 535i with pro navigation and the screen goes black and black, not the gray of my 2007 530i. Good luck
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| 11021982 (671hp) | The 530d I had also went black - I turned it off by mistake while driving on the highway.
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| 100995 (165hp) | Many thanks to all respondents
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| sinatra1 (51hp) | Quote: Originally published by pharding The most robust mode is Sport+ but it reduces gas consumption too much. Why would you say the F10 535i you tested performed better than your F10 550i? http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=390376 Are you sure the iDrive has adjusted the chassis and transmission to their sportiest level?
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| HAHAHA (236hp) | The highway is a great testing ground for the high-speed F10. The strengths and weaknesses of any car are magnified at high speeds. I drove it for about 5 hours up to 100 mph. I'm sure I had it set to Sport+. The 550 V8 has massive power and it's cool. However, my gas mileage is not good. !9.8 mpg on the highway versus 24 mpg with my 2008 550i M-Sport. This compares a similar mph average, but I wasn't being scientific. In light of this, for most people the 535 is just fine, in my opinion. A lighter car would perform very, very slightly better. As with anything, it's best to test drive the car configured in the way you envision. You have to consider my situation regarding the 2008 550i M-Sport and the Sport package of my other previous BMWs. This definitely contributes to my perceptions. The F10 is a good car, but it's a different animal from previous iterations. It has many wonderful aspects, but the sport aspect of the car is not its strong point in my opinion. Again, this is just my opinion and I really admire BMW and their products in general. Electronics in automobiles are here to stay, but electronics are just one tool for improving cars. It is the end of a means and not the end in itself. The addition of Gee Wiz electronics does not always provide better handling and sportiness. Hopefully BMW will adjust the electronics to better improve the handling issues that I and others have expressed. Let's also hope that the M-Sport suspension will address the sportiness concerns of those who want that quality in a BMW Sport sedan..
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| brenda01 (523hp) | Quote: Originally posted by pharding The highway is a great testing ground for the high-speed F10. The strengths and weaknesses of any car are magnified at high speeds. I drove it for about 5 hours up to 100 mph. I'm sure I had it set to Sport+. Thanks for the info. I'm sure you gave accurate views of the F10. You bought the F10 and, although you initially disagreed with Car & Driver, you later agreed regarding its direction. Sorry if I'm asking the same question: my question is not whether the toggle button is in sport/sport+ mode but whether iDrive was used to adjust the chassis and transmission to its sportiest level..
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| azevedo (163hp) | The sportiest level is Sport+. These settings cannot be changed by the user. The sport has the ability to be modified in the I-Drive. You can change the transmission or chassis in a simplistic way. Other modes are not user adjustable.
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| evette1 (187hp) | Quote: Originally published by pharding The sportiest level is Sport+. These settings cannot be changed by the user. The sport has the ability to be modified in the I-Drive. You can change the transmission or chassis in a simplistic way. Other modes are not user adjustable. Yes, I understand, but sport+ is perhaps not the sportiest... it depends, because the car is not the most stable. How is the F10 on the highway with toggle to sport with iDrive set to the sportiest mode, compared to toggle to sport+?
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| aniani (398hp) | Are we talking about 100 mph “highway speeds”? Anyway....
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| dakota7 (873hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Robin Hood Are we talking about "highway speeds" at 100 mph? Anyway... During the break-in period it's not supposed to exceed 100 mph. I comply with it. Still, that's faster than we can legally drive in the US..
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| 22021982 (928hp) | ^Fair enough, but 100 mph equals 2,600 rpm (give or take) in 8th gear in my "lesser" 535i. So it's about slow motion
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| chemicals (600hp) | Interesting to see the points distribution for the three cars http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...0ed856746b.pdf everyone knows what features/equipment where the F10 scored 5/ 10 and the other two a score of 10/10? Steering feel was rated 7/10 and the other two 9/10, handling 8/10 and the other two 9 and 10, and driving pleasure 18/25 and the other two 19 and 21. Taken from http ://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mparison_tests with his video as pointed out by gatoman39 http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...niti_m37-video looks like 3 different drivers?
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| tgbyhn (648hp) | I tested a 535 non-sport and a 550 sport. Are you sure the 535 in the article had the sport package? I looked and didn't see the hardware list. The non-sporty 535 was the most uninspired car I've ever driven. I would prefer a Honda Accord to the non-sporty 535. I was ready to cross the F10 off my shopping list. With that comment, the salesman finally brought out the 550 sport that I had asked to drive in the first place. What a difference. My order will be sent for the November release!
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| 240395 (473hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Robin Hood ^That's fair enough, but 100 mph equals 2,600 rpm (more or less) in 8th gear in my "lesser" 535i. So it's slow motion. It's not just about diet. The load on the engine is different at 30 mph and 2,600 rpm than at 100 mph and 2,600 rpm. These are the increased, sustained loads you are trying to avoid during break-in.
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| jess09 (755hp) | Quote: Originally posted by TurboFan I tested a non-sport 535 and a 550 sport. Are you sure the 535 in the article had the sport package? I looked and didn't see the hardware list. The non-sporty 535 was the most uninspired car I've ever driven. I would prefer a Honda Accord to the non-sporty 535. I was ready to cross the F10 off my shopping list. With that comment, the salesman finally brought out the 550 sport that I had asked to drive in the first place. What a difference. My order will ship for the November build! I assume you are talking about a dynamic management package, i.e. with adaptive training. (You may wish to double check your order). According to the video, it has the toggle, sport and sport+ button. It's unclear if it has an adaptive drive, but probably.
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| 01011977 (786hp) | Quote: Posted by bm323 Yes, I understand, but sport+ is perhaps not the sportiest... it depends, because the car is not the most stable. How is the F10 on the highway with toggle to sport with iDrive set to the sportiest mode, versus toggle to sport+? Sport mode can be customized. You can downshift the drivetrain, chassis, or both from standard Sport mode..
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| newyork08 (436hp) | Quote: Originally posted by BimmerGuyFL Well, they basically criticized the new 535i for its too light steering and feeling numb on center when driving the car. It's the same thought when I tested the 535i and 550i twice. They also said that the new platform is too heavy since it is based on the 7 series platform. A lot of blame is placed on switching the steering system to electric assist which does not give too much feedback information. +1. I tested the 550 and 535 the other day at the Ultimate Driving Event. I wasn't impressed with how the car felt compared to the last generation. The steering was indeed numb and the car was heavy. I swear I felt more body roll. I even drove the 550 with the sport package. Very comfortable ride with plenty of power and beautiful inside and out. I don't want to sound like a BMW snob, but it just didn't feel like the driver's car that it used to be. They're targeting the damn Lexus crowd. First it was the X5M and X6M to compete with the Porsche Cayenne and now this.......they need to stop. It's terrible. I can't blame them because their job is indeed to sell cars, but I would like more compromises for people who really appreciate a more connected sporty vehicle. Where are we going to get our cars if they continue in this direction ??
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| vasili (965hp) | Wow! This forum is made up mostly of enthusiasts - people who have always bought BMWs knowing that any model, in any configuration, would handle well and provide exquisite steering feel. However, reading this thread suggests that the 5er has transformed into a Lexus, an overweight and poorly assembled one at that. To get the car to handle properly you have to opt for the Dynamic Handling package - sad, very sad. If BMW repeats this debacle with the next F30, they will certainly start to abandon some of their enthusiast base in favor of other brands..
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| 22081996 (942hp) | Quote: Originally posted by MikeTerp Wow! This forum is made up mostly of enthusiasts - people who have always bought BMWs knowing that any model, in any configuration, would handle well and provide exquisite steering feel. However, reading this thread suggests that the 5er has transformed into a Lexus, an overweight and poorly assembled one at that. To get the car to handle properly you have to opt for the Dynamic Handling package - sad, very sad. If BMW repeats this debacle with the next F30, they will certainly start to abandon some of their enthusiast base in favor of other brands. +1. I believe the 550 I drove was equipped with the dynamic handling package. It wasn't really an improvement in my opinion. It's not as bad as a Lexus at this point, but it definitely feels more like a Lexus..
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| 290891 (638hp) | Quote: Originally posted by pharding Sport mode can be customized. You can downshift the drivetrain, chassis, or both from standard Sport mode. I wonder if some of the different reviews I've read are due to people driving F10s with the two stupid components..
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| tekken1 (273hp) | Quote: Originally posted by MikeTerp Wow! This forum is made up mostly of enthusiasts - people who have always bought BMWs knowing that any model, in any configuration, would handle well and provide exquisite steering feel. However, reading this thread suggests that the 5er has transformed into a Lexus, an overweight and poorly assembled one at that. We should first test the F10. There are forum members on other boards who haven't tested it or perhaps adjusted the adaptive transmission, but are nonetheless able to offer plenty of feedback on how the car handles . I find this forum the most intelligent and mature. You can also check out the car magazine reviews compiled by this forum http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343293
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| 2112rush (489hp) | Quote: Originally posted by erio +1. I tested the 550 and 535 the other day at the Ultimate Driving Event. I wasn't impressed with how the car felt compared to the last generation. The steering was indeed numb and the car was heavy. I swear I felt more body roll. Quote: Originally posted by erio +1. I believe the 550 I drove was equipped with the dynamic handling package. I don't recall any car magazine reviewers saying the F10 had more body roll, nor did I find the body roll to be substantial (of a base F10 without adaptive drive or an M sport suspension). Which means you are not sure if it has the dynamic package. with adaptive training? Did it have a comfort mode (which would necessarily mean it had adaptive drive) and the button toggled into sport mode with the chassis and transmission adjusted using the iDrive?
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| codered1 (667hp) | Quote: Posted by bm323 I don't recall any car magazine reviewers saying the F10 had more body roll, nor did I find the body roll to be substantial. That means you're not sure if it has the dynamic package with adaptive drive? Did it have a comfort mode (which would necessarily mean it had adaptive driving) and was the button toggle into sport mode with the chassis and transmission set using iDrive? Well, the body roll I felt was obviously subjective. Although I am not a professional car reviewer, I have driven and owned many BMWs. That has to count for something. I drove the 550 in every mode from comfort to the most aggressive sport.+.
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| stallion (355hp) | I suspected I was not alone in my perception. From the coach: In this SE spec and without the active chassis, it also rolls more and has looser body control, surprisingly for anyone coming from the old model. The BMW's electric power steering is good in its own right (avoid the artificial feel of Active Steer), but lacks smoothness compared to the XF. The M Sport Package (not available with Active Drive) will likely change things when it becomes available in September/October..
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| 21041992 (592hp) | Quote: Posted by erio I suspected I was not alone in my perception. From the coach: In this SE spec and without the active chassis, it also rolls more and has looser body control, surprisingly for anyone coming from the old model. The BMW's electric power steering is good in its own right (avoid the artificial feel of Active Steer), but lacks smoothness compared to the XF. The M Sport Package (not available with Active Drive) will likely change things when it becomes available in September/October. http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/...E-Auto/248585/ But you mentioned that yours tested was not the base F10, but with adaptive drive (which includes the bars anti-roll) and this is the only car magazine that mentions more body roll in the base F10? Also from the same article. Quote It's important to note that when we compare the 5 Series and its competitors in terms of ride comfort and handling, we're talking about differences that you can only measure in nths of degrees, when tested back to back. the same stretch of demanding road or ride and handling test track. Also note that the new 5 Series is, in general, a great car to drive, it's quiet, it's comfortable, it soothes for miles with the same crushing ease with which it tackles corners. We would very happily recommend a 5 Series to anyone who wants to drive 50,000 miles a year and have occasional fun while they do it. However, to maximize its potential, it is important to optimize the specifications, of which there are many choices. And even then, it's worth noting that in some areas the 5 Series is a bit weaker than its best rivals. First, we'd avoid choosing anything larger than the 18-inch wheels on our test car. Smaller wheels are standard and, if you can stand their looks, they'll be even better at delivering a truly isolated ride. As it stands, the 18-inchers coupled with our test car's standard (passive, non-adjustable) suspension let more pronounced road imperfections affect the cabin in a way that a Mercedes E-Class does. out of 17 does not. Adaptive dampers are optional on all models. Once installed, small undulations are handled much better. Brake, turn (even modestly) and introduce a broken surface into the equation and this 5 Series tester fails to keep out thumps with the same aplomb as a car with adaptive suspension (even on 19-inch wheels ) or a Class E. We understand that a service is planned. Another coach review http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/...30d-SE/246781/ and there is a previous coach thread.
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| 550iFreak (599hp) | Quote: Originally published by pharding The most robust mode is Sport+ but it reduces gas consumption too much. Why would you say the F10 535i you tested performed better than your F10 550i? http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=390376 Are you sure the iDrive has adjusted the chassis and transmission to their sportiest level?
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| valentino46 (169hp) | The highway is a great testing ground for the high-speed F10. The strengths and weaknesses of any car are magnified at high speeds. I drove it for about 5 hours up to 100 mph. I'm sure I had it set to Sport+. The 550 V8 has massive power and it's cool. However, my gas mileage is not good. !9.8 mpg on the highway versus 24 mpg with my 2008 550i M-Sport. This compares a similar mph average, but I wasn't being scientific. In light of this, for most people the 535 is just fine, in my opinion. A lighter car would perform very, very slightly better. As with anything, it's best to test drive the car configured in the way you envision. You have to consider my situation regarding the 2008 550i M-Sport and the Sport package of my other previous BMWs. This definitely contributes to my perceptions. The F10 is a good car, but it's a different animal from previous iterations. It has many wonderful aspects, but the sport aspect of the car is not its strong point in my opinion. Again, this is just my opinion and I really admire BMW and their products in general. Electronics in automobiles are here to stay, but electronics are just one tool for improving cars. It is the end of a means and not the end in itself. The addition of Gee Wiz electronics does not always provide better handling and sportiness. Hopefully BMW will adjust the electronics to better improve the handling issues that I and others have expressed. Let's also hope that the M-Sport suspension will address the sportiness concerns of those who want that quality in a BMW Sport sedan..
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| southpole (621hp) | Quote: Posted by pharding The highway is a great testing ground for the high-speed F10. The strengths and weaknesses of any car are magnified at high speeds. I drove it for about 5 hours up to 100 mph. I'm sure I had it set to Sport+. Thanks for the info. I'm sure you gave accurate views of the F10. You bought the F10 and, although you initially disagreed with Car & Driver, you later agreed regarding its direction. Sorry if I'm asking the same question: my question is not whether the toggle button is in sport/sport+ mode but whether the iDrive was used to adjust the chassis and transmission to its sportiest level..
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| 110482 (918hp) | The sportiest level is Sport+. These settings cannot be changed by the user. The sport has the ability to be modified in the I-Drive. You can change the transmission or chassis in a simplistic way. Other modes are not user adjustable.
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| brandon20 (111hp) | Quote: Originally published by pharding The sportiest level is Sport+. These settings cannot be changed by the user. The sport has the ability to be modified in the I-Drive. You can change the transmission or chassis in a simplistic way. Other modes are not user adjustable. Yes, I understand, but sport+ is perhaps not the sportiest... it depends, because the car is not the most stable. How is the F10 on the highway with toggle to sport with iDrive set to the sportiest mode, compared to toggle to sport+?
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| newyourk (516hp) | Are we talking about 100 mph “highway speeds”? Anyway....
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| bianca (28hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Robin Hood Are we talking about "highway speeds" at 100 mph? Anyway... During the break-in period it's not supposed to exceed 100 mph. I comply with it. Still, that's faster than we can legally drive in the US..
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| 09061982 (598hp) | ^Fair enough, but 100 mph equals 2,600 rpm (give or take) in 8th gear in my "lesser" 535i. So it's a question of slowing down
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| floresta (462hp) | Interesting to see the points distribution for the three cars http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...0ed856746b.pdf everyone knows what features/equipment where the F10 scored 5/ 10 and the other two a score of 10/10? Steering feel was rated 7/10 and the other two 9/10, handling 8/10 and the other two 9 and 10, and driving pleasure 18/25 and the other two 19 and 21. Taken from http ://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mparison_tests with his video as pointed out by gatoman39 http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...niti_m37-video looks like 3 different drivers?
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| cotmfk (334hp) | I tested a 535 non-sport and a 550 sport. Are you sure the 535 in the article had the sport package? I looked and didn't see the hardware list. The non-sporty 535 was the most uninspired car I've ever driven. I would prefer a Honda Accord to the non-sporty 535. I was ready to cross the F10 off my shopping list. With that comment, the salesman finally brought out the 550 sport that I had asked to drive in the first place. What a difference. My order will be sent for the November release!
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| analia (619hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Robin Hood ^That's fair enough, but 100 mph equals 2,600 rpm (more or less) in 8th gear in my "lesser" 535i. So it's slow motion. It's not just about diet. The load on the engine is different at 30 mph and 2,600 rpm than at 100 mph and 2,600 rpm. These are the increased, sustained loads you are trying to avoid during break-in.
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| 2711 (87hp) | Quote: Originally posted by TurboFan I tested a non-sport 535 and a 550 sport. Are you sure the 535 in the article had the sport package? I looked and didn't see the hardware list. The non-sporty 535 was the most uninspired car I've ever driven. I would prefer a Honda Accord to the non-sporty 535. I was ready to cross the F10 off my shopping list. With that comment, the salesman finally brought out the 550 sport that I had asked to drive in the first place. What a difference. My order will ship for the November build! I assume you are talking about a dynamic management package, i.e. with adaptive training. (You may wish to double check your order). According to the video, it has the toggle, sport and sport+ button. It's unclear if it has an adaptive drive, but probably.
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| exploit (230hp) | Quote: Posted by bm323 Yes, I understand, but sport+ is perhaps not the sportiest... it depends, because the car is not the most stable. How is the F10 on the highway with toggle to sport with iDrive set to the sportiest mode, versus toggle to sport+? Sport mode can be customized. You can downshift the drivetrain, chassis, or both from standard Sport mode..
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| schaap (243hp) | Quote: Originally posted by BimmerGuyFL Well, they basically criticized the new 535i for having too light steering and feeling numb on center when driving the car. It's the same thought when I tested the 535i and 550i twice. They also said that the new platform is too heavy since it is based on the 7 series platform. A lot of blame is placed on switching the steering system to electric assist which does not give too much feedback information. +1. I tested the 550 and 535 the other day at the Ultimate Driving Event. I wasn't impressed with how the car felt compared to the last generation. The steering was indeed numb and the car was heavy. I swear I felt more body roll. I even drove the 550 with the sport package. Very comfortable ride with plenty of power and beautiful inside and out. I don't want to sound like a BMW snob, but it just didn't feel like the driver's car that it used to be. They're targeting the damn Lexus crowd. First it was the X5M and X6M to compete with the Porsche Cayenne and now this.......they need to stop. It's terrible. I can't blame them because their job is indeed to sell cars, but I would like more compromises for people who really appreciate a more connected sporty vehicle. Where are we going to get our cars if they continue in this direction ??
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| turtle7 (552hp) | Wow! This forum is made up mostly of enthusiasts - people who have always bought BMWs knowing that any model, in any configuration, would handle well and provide exquisite steering feel. However, reading this thread suggests that the 5er has transformed into a Lexus, an overweight and poorly assembled one at that. To get the car to handle properly you have to opt for the Dynamic Handling package - sad, very sad. If BMW repeats this debacle with the next F30, they will certainly start abandoning some of their enthusiast base in favor of other brands..
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| w1w2w3w4 (167hp) | Quote: Originally posted by MikeTerp Wow! This forum is made up mostly of enthusiasts - people who have always bought BMWs knowing that any model, in any configuration, would handle well and provide exquisite steering feel. However, reading this thread suggests that the 5er has transformed into a Lexus, an overweight and poorly assembled one at that. To get the car to handle properly you have to opt for the Dynamic Handling package - sad, very sad. If BMW repeats this debacle with the next F30, they will certainly start to abandon some of their enthusiast base in favor of other brands. +1. I believe the 550 I drove was equipped with the dynamic handling package. It wasn't really an improvement in my opinion. It's not as bad as a Lexus at this point, but it definitely feels more like a Lexus..
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| cute11 (240hp) | Quote: Originally posted by pharding Sport mode can be customized. You can downshift the drivetrain, chassis, or both from standard Sport mode. I wonder if some of the different reviews I've read are due to people driving F10s with the two stupid components..
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| niclas (66hp) | Quote: Originally posted by MikeTerp Wow! This forum is made up mostly of enthusiasts - people who have always bought BMWs knowing that any model, in any configuration, would handle well and provide exquisite steering feel. However, reading this thread suggests that the 5er has transformed into a Lexus, an overweight and poorly assembled one at that. We should first test the F10. There are forum members on other boards who haven't tested it or perhaps haven't adjusted the adaptive transmission, yet are able to make many comments on how the car handles. I find this forum the most intelligent and mature. You can also check out the car magazine reviews compiled by this forum http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343293
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| commandos (843hp) | Quote: Originally posted by erio +1. I tested the 550 and 535 the other day at the Ultimate Driving Event. I wasn't impressed with how the car felt compared to the last generation. The steering was indeed numb and the car was heavy. I swear I felt more body roll. Quote: Originally posted by erio +1. I believe the 550 I drove was equipped with the dynamic handling package. I don't recall any car magazine reviewers saying the F10 had more body roll, nor did I find the body roll to be substantial (of a base F10 without adaptive drive or an M sport suspension). Which means you are not sure if it has the dynamic package. with adaptive training? Did it have a comfort mode (which would necessarily mean it had adaptive drive) and the button toggled into sport mode with the chassis and transmission adjusted using the iDrive?
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| premier1 (805hp) | Quote: Posted by bm323 I don't recall any car magazine reviewers saying the F10 had more body roll, nor did I find the body roll to be substantial. That means you're not sure if it has the dynamic package with adaptive drive? Did it have a comfort mode (which would necessarily mean it had adaptive driving) and was the button toggle sport mode with the chassis and transmission set using iDrive? Well, the body roll I felt was obviously subjective. Although I am not a professional car reviewer, I have driven and owned many BMWs. That has to count for something. I drove the 550 in every mode from comfort to the most aggressive sport.+.
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| grad07 (312hp) | I suspected I was not alone in my perception. From the coach: In this SE spec and without the active chassis, it also rolls more and has looser body control, surprisingly for anyone coming from the old model. The BMW's electric power steering is good in its own right (avoid the artificial feel of Active Steer), but lacks smoothness compared to the XF. The M Sport Package (not available with Active Drive) will likely change things when it becomes available in September/October..
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| bhabes (111hp) | Quote: Posted by erio I suspected I was not alone in my perception. From the coach: In this SE spec and without the active chassis, it also rolls more and has looser body control, surprisingly for anyone coming from the old model. The BMW's electric power steering is good in its own right (avoid the artificial feel of Active Steer), but lacks smoothness compared to the XF. The M Sport Package (not available with Active Drive) will likely change things when it becomes available in September/October. http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/...E-Auto/248585/ But you mentioned that yours tested was not the base F10, but with adaptive drive (which includes the bars anti-roll) and this is the only car magazine that mentions more body roll in the base F10? Also from the same article. Quote It's important to note that when we compare the 5 Series and its competitors in terms of ride comfort and handling, we're talking about differences that you can only measure in nths of degrees, when tested back to back. the same stretch of demanding road or ride and handling test track. Also note that the new 5 Series is, in general, a great car to drive, it's quiet, it's comfortable, it soothes for miles with the same crushing ease with which it tackles corners. We would very happily recommend a 5 Series to anyone who wants to drive 50,000 miles a year and have occasional fun while they do it. However, to maximize its potential, it is important to optimize the specifications, of which there are many choices. And even then, it's worth noting that in some areas the 5 Series is a bit weaker than its best rivals. First, we'd avoid choosing anything larger than the 18-inch wheels on our test car. Smaller wheels are standard and, if you can stand their looks, they'll be even better at delivering a truly isolated ride. As it stands, the 18-inchers coupled with our test car's standard (passive, non-adjustable) suspension let more pronounced road imperfections affect the cabin in a way that a Mercedes E-Class does. out of 17 does not. Adaptive dampers are optional on all models. Once installed, small undulations are handled much better. Brake, turn (even modestly) and introduce a broken surface into the equation and this 5 Series tester fails to keep out thumps with the same aplomb as a car with adaptive suspension (even on 19-inch wheels ) or a Class E. We understand that a service is planned. Another coach review http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/...30d-SE/246781/ and there is a previous coach thread.
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| A Polite W (874hp) | I finally got the chance to test drive the 535i yesterday, and luckily they had one with a manual transmission! The car looked great, drove great (my only complaint about my E92 is the handling) and had nice features. I didn't notice any numbness in the center or some of the other complaints some reviewers have had about the steering, but I did feel a little vibration through the steering wheel. It was a very slight high frequency vibration, which didn't change with speed, so I don't think it was the tires. It's more like what you would feel if you placed your hand on a running electric motor. Has anyone else noticed this yet? Is this normal or common on these cars? I don't really know if it would drive me crazy after a few months. I plan to drive the car again before I buy it or order one. I also felt like the standard seat was pushing my head forward more than I would like. I can fiddle with the settings a bit, but now I'm wondering if I should order one with the multi-contour seats? Any thoughts, opinions? THANKS!
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| lottery1 (479hp) | The feeling many have described with the steering is neglect on center when driving in a straight line. With previous iterations of the 5er, there was no oversight. you point it straight and it goes straight. Now management has some play at center. Regarding the vibration you describe, a wheel is probably out of balance or the alignment is incorrect..
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