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| 270894 (615hp) | I agree. It's very subjective, but I think Oyster/Black Nappa Leather is the best interior look and feel combination available on the market today. But the wear and tear realities of life dictated for me that Dakota is black leather.
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| JulianG1415 (911hp) | Quote: Originally written by BMW_ACURA What do you say about Dakota leather in Oyster Black or stick with all black seats? Could someone please post some pictures of Oyster-Black? far too often. I have titanium silver on oyster which I think looks fantastic in person. You might want to get tints to spruce up the look on the outside, but I love it compared to the typical shit you see on the street. (Funnily enough, the bill said Venetian beige, but thank God I don't have a beige carpet...)
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| 21101980 (316hp) | I have Imperial Blue Metallic on Oyster and love the combination. The only negative is that the original owner must have been trying to remove an ugly stain from the door panel and rubbed the paint off the leather in the process. I've tried services that repaint it and freshly applied it looks great but only lasts a few months. I would like to find a used replacement panel, but haven't been able to.
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| GMW (474hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Ironman273 I have Imperial Blue Metallic on Oyster and love the combination. The only negative is that the original owner must have been trying to remove an ugly stain from the door panel and rubbed the paint off the leather in the process. I've tried services that repaint it and freshly applied it looks great but only lasts a few months. I would like to find a used replacement panel, but haven't been able to. Ouch? How did he do that? I find that oysters are very easy to care for and I enjoy my spec. something unique for once.
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| 126 (701hp) | Quote: Originally posted by STR8-6IX Ouch? How did he do that? I find that oysters are very easy to care for and I enjoy my spec. something unique for once. I'm not sure how he did it. I think it started small, and since the unpainted leather looks like a smudge, he kept trying to clean it more and more thoroughly, only making it worse. This is what it looks like...
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| akril2442 (993hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Ironman273 I'm not sure how he did it. I think it started small, and since the unpainted leather looks like a smudge, he kept trying to clean it more and more thoroughly, only making it worse. Here's what it looks like... You can definitely have this restored for a reasonable amount of money.
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| Palmo (756hp) | Quote: Originally posted by STR8-6IX Quote: Originally posted by Ironman273 I'm not sure how he did it. I think it started small, and since the unpainted leather looks like a smudge, he kept trying to clean it more and more thoroughly, only making it worse. Here's what it looks like... You can definitely have this restored for a reasonable amount of money. I've had it painted twice by an interior restoration company but it only lasts about 6 months.
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| 1orlando (71hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Ironman273 I've had it painted twice by an interior restoration company but it only lasts about 6 months. Are you waiting so that the restoration of your interior is not permanent? Are you sure they use good quality dyes??
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| payaso1 (244hp) | Quote: Originally posted by STR8-6IX. Are you waiting so that the restoration of your interior is not permanent? Are you sure they use high quality dyes? Honestly, I'm not sure. The company is a BMW dealer that I used to work for, so I thought they would be good. I thought it was because too much of the top coat had been rubbed off and the new paint didn't have the right surface to adhere to. I've been looking for a door panel on eBay, but Oyster doesn't come up very often
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| rice (188hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Ironman273 Honestly, I'm not sure. The company is a BMW dealer that I used to work for, so I thought they would be good. I thought it was because too much of the top coat had been rubbed off and the new paint didn't have the right surface to adhere to. I've been looking for a door panel on eBay, but Oyster doesn't come up often. It's important to make sure the worn surface is properly primed/painted, but I assumed this company would know what? I suspect that the dye they use is not very good. Or your door is simply under extreme abuse. My door doesn't look any better though...I need to have it restored. My steering wheel also shows signs of wear.
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| nathan! (623hp) | Hello, mine is sapphire black on the outside and oyster/black on the inside. The combination is stunning. I had to invest in a good cleaner/conditioner since we're on this topic so the car is also exposed to a lot of direct sunlight. It takes some effort to keep it clean, but it's worth it!
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| 70707070 (654hp) | Oyster/Black definitely stands out more than any other interior color, it looks really good. I chose the black Dakota because there were problems transporting dogs (and hopefully children). If I wasn't worried about cleaning difficulties, I would definitely have chosen the Oyster/Black color. Sometimes I think that with the dark exterior (graphite) and black interior, my car looks a bit like I'm a budding teenage street racer.
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| tumble (653hp) | I agree. It's very subjective, but I think Oyster/Black Nappa Leather is the best interior look and feel combination available on the market today. But the wear and tear realities of life dictated for me that Dakota is black leather.
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| carolin (41hp) | Quote: Originally written by BMW_ACURA What do you say about Dakota leather in Oyster Black or stick with all black seats? Could someone please post some pictures of Oyster-Black? far too often. I have titanium silver on oyster which I think looks fantastic in person. You might want to get tints to spruce up the look on the outside, but I love it compared to the typical shit you see on the street. (Funnily enough, the bill said Venetian beige, but thank God I don't have a beige carpet...)
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| 1807 (540hp) | I have Imperial Blue Metallic on Oyster and love the combination. The only negative is that the original owner must have been trying to remove an ugly stain from the door panel and rubbed the paint off the leather in the process. I've tried services that repaint it and freshly applied it looks great but only lasts a few months. I would like to find a used replacement panel, but haven't been able to.
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| sarmiento (719hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Ironman273 I have Imperial Blue Metallic on Oyster and love the combination. The only negative is that the original owner must have been trying to remove an ugly stain from the door panel and rubbed the paint off the leather in the process. I've tried services that repaint it and freshly applied it looks great but only lasts a few months. I would like to find a used replacement panel, but haven't been able to. Ouch? How did he do that? I find that oysters are very easy to care for and I enjoy my spec. something unique for once.
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| 16041997 (962hp) | Quote: Originally posted by STR8-6IX Ouch? How did he do that? I find that oysters are very easy to care for and I enjoy my spec. something unique for once. I'm not sure how he did it. I think it started small, and since the unpainted leather looks like a smudge, he kept trying to clean it more and more thoroughly, only making it worse. This is what it looks like...
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| 20011991 (65hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Ironman273 I'm not sure how he did it. I think it started small, and since the unpainted leather looks like a patch of dirt, he kept trying to clean it more and more thoroughly, only making it worse. Here's what it looks like... You can definitely have this restored for a reasonable amount of money.
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| seguero (613hp) | Quote: Originally posted by STR8-6IX Quote: Originally posted by Ironman273 I'm not sure how he did it. I think it started small, and since the unpainted leather looks like a smudge, he kept trying to clean it more and more thoroughly, only making it worse. Here's what it looks like... You can definitely have this restored for a reasonable amount of money. I've had it painted twice by an interior restoration company but it only lasts about 6 months.
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| 040581 (330hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Ironman273 I've had it painted twice by an interior restoration company but it only lasts about 6 months. Are you waiting so that the restoration of your interior is not permanent? Are you sure they use good quality dyes??
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| alex2004 (767hp) | Quote: Originally posted by STR8-6IX. Are you waiting so that the restoration of your interior is not permanent? Are you sure they use high quality dyes? Honestly, I'm not sure. The company is a BMW dealer that I used to work for, so I thought they would be good. I thought it was because too much of the top coat had been rubbed off and the new paint didn't have the right surface to adhere to. I've been looking for a door panel on eBay, but Oyster doesn't come up very often
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| iforgotit (816hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Ironman273 Honestly, I'm not sure. The company is a BMW dealer that I used to work for, so I thought they would be good. I thought it was because too much of the top coat had been rubbed off and the new paint didn't have the right surface to adhere to. I've been looking for a door panel on eBay, but Oyster doesn't come up often. It's important to make sure the worn surface is properly primed/painted, but I assumed this company would know what? I suspect that the dye they use is not very good. Or your door is simply under extreme abuse. My door doesn't look any better though...I need to have it restored. My steering wheel also shows signs of wear.
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| david27 (878hp) | 2012 520d, now at around 80,000 km, the malfunction message appeared on the screen twice in the last week, along with the intimidating orange check engine light. The first time I saw the check engine light I turned the car off and on and the check engine light went off, the second time it stayed on and the message said "Powertrain, continue driving at moderate speed." Full power not available. “Have the problem checked by service” has only appeared twice so far, once during hard acceleration on the highway and once this evening at a speed of around 80 km/h. Both times I couldn't tell any difference in the car's performance speed or anything like that. Perhaps unrelated note: After a car wash last week, I drove to my apartment and waited outside for my girlfriend to come out. I must have been idling for about 10 minutes and it almost seemed like there was a slight noise every 30 seconds. I shuddered, I also noticed some white smoke coming from the top of the hood closest to the windshield was coming out, immediately turned off the engine and checked under the hood and nothing seemed to be out of the ordinary. When it cooled down I checked the coolant level etc. Had no drop, no traces of coolant anywhere in the bay to indicate a leak, never happened before and hasn't happened since and so I just assumed that Some residual water from the car wash evaporated because I was hard on the accelerator on the way back, could that have something to do with it? maybe not? I'm at a loss and have no idea, I won't be home at university for the next 3 days so I'll be checking in with my Indy BMW specialist when I get back, but until then I'm not sure anyone has had any experiences?
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| comenzi (655hp) | Mine needed new plugs and couldn't smoke, hence the stuttering. Good luck. No problem since then?.
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| 25052005 (577hp) | I'm pretty sure his 520d doesn't need spark plugs.
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| ducati916 (995hp) | Quote: Quote from Stück I'm pretty sure his 520d doesn't need spark plugs. +1
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| ashash1 (178hp) | 2012 520d, now at around 80,000 km, the malfunction message appeared on the screen twice in the last week, along with the intimidating orange check engine light. The first time I saw the check engine light I turned the car off and on and the check engine light went off, the second time it stayed on and the message said "Powertrain, continue driving at moderate speed." Full power not available. “Have the problem checked by service” has only appeared twice so far, once during hard acceleration on the highway and once this evening at a speed of around 80 km/h. Both times I couldn't tell any difference in the car's performance speed or anything like that. Perhaps unrelated note: After a car wash last week, I drove to my apartment and waited outside for my girlfriend to come out. I must have been idling for about 10 minutes and it almost seemed like there was a slight noise every 30 seconds. I shuddered, I also noticed some white smoke coming from the top of the hood closest to the windshield was coming out, immediately turned off the engine and checked under the hood and nothing seemed to be out of the ordinary. When it cooled down I checked the coolant level etc. Had no drop, no traces of coolant anywhere in the bay to indicate a leak, never happened before and hasn't happened since and so I just assumed that Some residual water from the car wash evaporated because I was hard on the accelerator on the way back, could that have something to do with it? maybe not? I'm at a loss and have no idea, I won't be home at university for the next 3 days so I'll be checking in with my Indy BMW specialist when I get back, but until then I'm not sure anyone has had any experiences?
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| herve (714hp) | Mine needed new plugs and couldn't smoke, hence the stuttering. Good luck. No problem since then?.
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| football30 (664hp) | I'm pretty sure his 520d doesn't need spark plugs.
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| jessica87 (993hp) | Quote: Quote from Stück I'm pretty sure his 520d doesn't need spark plugs. +1
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| naruto25 (148hp) | Does anyone on my 535i know where and what this noise/noise is? Should I send the car to the dealer???
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| 28081989 (606hp) | I'm not sure about the noise, but my car makes noise after I turn it off. It just closes everything and puts it into sleep mode
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| n (851hp) | Quote: Originally written by 07e92 Does anyone on my 535i know where and what this noise/noise is? Should I send the car to the dealer? I have EXACTLY the same noise on my '14 535i. The noise appears to be coming from the area below the air filter box. It seems to happen randomly.
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| wonderfull (127hp) | Right, that's why my shot was aimed at the air cleaner tube/box area. But I don't know exactly what's causing the noise. Quote: Originally posted by ezaircon4jc I have EXACTLY the same noise on my '14 535i. The noise appears to be coming from the area below the air filter box. It seems to happen randomly.
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| fsd9shtyut (341hp) | http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=679219
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| redbull123 (647hp) | Also! I assume this is completely normal when things are shut down
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| justin89 (962hp) | I have a fan in my garage and when I place it in front of the front spoiler the car constantly makes this noise that keeps turning on and off. It stops shortly afterwards. Very strange, but I was assured that everything is completely normal.
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| ilovecock (977hp) | Quote: Originally posted by S1ammin http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=679219 Has anyone read this? It was a valve in the air conditioning compressor. Mine doesn't do this, so I would say it's not normal. Critical? Neither, but it would be irritating.
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| mmmmm (600hp) | Quote: Originally posted by wcr3d Has anyone read this? It was a valve in the air conditioning compressor. Mine doesn't do this, so I would say it's not normal. Critical? Neither, but it would be irritating. I have never heard the noise from the Youtube video that came from my F10 after shutdown. I don't think I would call it normal either.
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| shelby4 (327hp) | Quote: Originally posted by wcr3d Has anyone read this? It was a valve in the air conditioning compressor. Mine doesn't do this, so I would say it's not normal. Critical? Neither, but it would be irritating. Yes. And I emailed him but he hasn't been here since this post...
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| 120180 (991hp) | A forum member called the BMW technician also seemed to know that he could be tried.
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| quake2 (720hp) | Does anyone on my 535i know where and what this noise/noise is? Should I send the car to the dealer???
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| daniel30 (747hp) | I'm not sure about the noise, but my car makes noise after I turn it off. It just closes everything and puts it into sleep mode
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| Neon01 (217hp) | Quote: Originally written by 07e92 Does anyone on my 535i know where and what this noise/noise is? Should I send the car to the dealer? I have EXACTLY the same noise on my '14 535i. The noise appears to be coming from the area below the air filter box. It seems to happen randomly.
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| holyshit! (809hp) | Right, that's why my shot was aimed at the air cleaner tube/box area. But I don't know exactly what's causing the noise. Quote: Originally posted by ezaircon4jc I have EXACTLY the same noise on my '14 535i. The noise appears to be coming from the area below the air filter box. It seems to happen randomly.
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| 040380 (705hp) | http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=679219
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| koko12 (134hp) | Also! I assume this is completely normal when things are shut down
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| 191287 (775hp) | I have a fan in my garage and when I place it in front of the front spoiler the car constantly makes this noise that keeps turning on and off. It stops shortly afterwards. Very strange, but I was assured that everything is completely normal.
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| class1 (99hp) | Quote: Originally posted by S1ammin http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=679219 Has anyone read this? It was a valve in the air conditioning compressor. Mine doesn't do this, so I would say it's not normal. Critical? Neither, but it would be irritating.
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| dork12 (737hp) | Quote: Originally posted by wcr3d Has anyone read this? It was a valve in the air conditioning compressor. Mine doesn't do this, so I would say it's not normal. Critical? Neither, but it would be irritating. I have never heard the noise from the Youtube video that came from my F10 after shutdown. I don't think I would call it normal either.
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| 23061994 (883hp) | Quote: Originally posted by wcr3d Has anyone read this? It was a valve in the air conditioning compressor. Mine doesn't do this, so I would say it's not normal. Critical? Neither, but it would be irritating. Yes. And I emailed him but he hasn't been here since this post...
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| soccer0 (706hp) | A forum member called the BMW technician also seemed to know that he could be tried.
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| 150380 (207hp) | I always manage more than 1000 kilometers. I never got it all the way down, so I'm not sure of the exact number.
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| renee16 (49hp) | Quote: Originally written by mdobin. My 535 6 speed shows 500+ when I just top up highway miles. And that usually averages around 80. My 535i car also gets around 550+ mpg on 100% highway. Shit, now I drive 100% in the city and only get about 250 mpg.
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| teixeira (677hp) | Quote: Originally posted by LiveLarger I always manage more than 1000 kilometers. I never got it all the way down, so I'm not sure of the exact number. Is your car 520D wow 1000km You are only allowed to drive on the highway and not in the city.
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| city-retreat (629hp) | The 550 is certainly a gas guzzler. I've only driven mine about 1,000 miles, but I seem to average 18.3 mpg, so 350 miles on a full tank. Maybe 70% highway. This is in contrast to my 2002 540, which averaged 22 mpg. 100 HP more = 20% less fuel consumption. Hard to explain in a city where the Prius rules. But the journey probably justifies the eating.
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| 5609867 (110hp) | Quote: Originally written by M_528i your car is 520D wow 1000km you can only drive on the highway and not in the city. Yes, F11 520d. Mainly on the highway, but also in the city and on the mountain. A typical trip is from the city (Oslo) to a mountain somewhere.
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| banana23 (955hp) | My 535d rarely gets more than 400 miles per tank, in fact I was lucky enough to get 360 recently. 60/40 city/highway split
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| 13579246 (939hp) | I can only do 300 miles, 100 city rides. Is this good enough for 528i xdrive??
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| golosa69 (269hp) | I mean 280-290 miles
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| rychu91 (916hp) | I got about 375ish on mine 535
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| rosarosa (131hp) | I haven't driven that far on empty, but probably between 240 and 280 miles. I average 13.8 mpg with more than 90% road driving.
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| winning (892hp) | I seem to get better gas mileage the more miles I put on the car. Is that the norm? It might be a little more highway driving, but I did 305 miles on the first tank of gas, next 318, then 332 and now I'm already at 292 with over a quarter of the tank left. 535i 6-speed with about 1,200 miles
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| ljw2k (150hp) | How do you 550 guys get over 300 miles of city driving? I have to admit that I'm not light on my feet and my home is very uphill so more gas gets into the engine when I drive home, but I only get about 220-250 miles per tank on my 550xi. And I drive 60/40 highway/city. When I was just driving on a highway, the best I ever got was a little less than 370 miles to the tank.
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| ron_jeremy (318hp) | Quote: Originally written by tnikolov How do you get 550 people to travel more than 300 miles in city traffic? I have to admit that I'm not light on my feet and my home is very uphill so more gas gets into the engine when I drive home, but I only get about 220-250 miles per tank on my 550xi. And I drive 60/40 highway/city. When I was just driving on a highway, the best I ever got was a little less than 370 miles to the tank. Wow! I thought I had a heavy foot. I get around 300-320.
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| basketb (152hp) | f10 520d: 1100 km mixed roads and 50% highways
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| tweety15 (801hp) | I get between 400 and 450 miles per tank. However, I do very little highway driving, maybe 50-70 miles of that.
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| fucku7 (324hp) | 1287Kilometers are my record, but my average in the occasional traffic light Grand Prix race etc is 900. I have to say my 520d has the best gas mileage and still performs pretty well in the sport+
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| nataxa (845hp) | Quote: Originally posted by AMJAM 1287km is my record, but my average in occasional traffic light Grand Prix races etc is 900. I have to say my 520d has the best fuel economy and still pretty good performance in the sport Use adaptive cruise control frequently. And this will deactivate Sport+. But interesting, I'll take a look at it.
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| 171988 (548hp) | I need to have my foot checked. I'll be lucky if I get to 200 while filling up. 90% city traffic in New York
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| 240490 (666hp) | So it depends on where you are going. I drove 342 miles in a quarter tank from the north of the UK to the south at 56mph in rush hour traffic. I achieved an average of 67.5 mpg. I did the same trip the next week in reverse and got 58.8... I have done 840 miles on my 2013 520d but am convinced that with the right location I could do the thousand.. .at least I believe so, but will probably never be able to prove it. I used to drive everywhere at high speed, but these days I drive at around 65 km/h, listen to music and enjoy my journey. Sam.
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| comcast (304hp) | I can't do more than 250 miles in the whole city and that doesn't mean I have to accelerate too much, I do have 20s though. Is that normal???
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| daniel28 (686hp) | Quote: Originally written by Amini77. I can't get more than 250 miles in the city and that doesn't mean I have to accelerate too much, I do have 20s though. Is that normal? If yours is an M5 then that sounds about right. If not, there is something wrong with the car
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| bluesky2 (509hp) | On a long trip I can do more than 300 km per tank - highway driving... 200-250 km in city driving...
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| Schiltrom (896hp) | I always manage more than 1000 kilometers. I never got it all the way down, so I'm not sure of the exact number.
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| elefante1 (803hp) | Quote: Originally written by mdobin. My 535 6 speed shows 500+ when I just top up highway miles. And that usually averages around 80. My 535i car also gets around 550+ mpg on 100% highway. Shit, now I drive 100% in the city and only get about 250 mpg.
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| demi123 (1hp) | Quote: Originally posted by LiveLarger I always manage more than 1000 kilometers. I never got it all the way down, so I'm not sure of the exact number. Is your car 520D wow 1000km You are only allowed to drive on the highway and not in the city.
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| loveher1 (792hp) | The 550 is certainly a gas guzzler. I've only driven mine about 1,000 miles, but I seem to average 18.3 mpg, so 350 miles on a full tank. Maybe 70% highway. This is in contrast to my 2002 540, which averaged 22 mpg. 100 HP more = 20% less fuel consumption. Hard to explain in a city where the Prius rules. But the journey probably justifies the eating.
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| pdiddy1 (870hp) | Quote: Originally written by M_528i your car is 520D wow 1000km you can only drive on the highway and not in the city. Yes, F11 520d. Mainly on the highway, but also in the city and on the mountain. A typical trip is from the city (Oslo) to a mountain somewhere.
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| 26071992 (863hp) | My 535d rarely gets more than 400 miles per tank, in fact I was lucky enough to get 360 recently. 60/40 city/highway split
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| 0077 (739hp) | I can only do 300 miles, 100 city rides. Is this good enough for 528i xdrive??
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| cdeanes (614hp) | I mean 280-290 miles
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| 040498 (756hp) | I got about 375ish on mine 535
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| 120673 (952hp) | I haven't driven that far on empty, but probably between 240 and 280 miles. I average 13.8 mpg with more than 90% road driving.
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| qwertyu12 (932hp) | I seem to get better gas mileage the more miles I put on the car. Is that the norm? It might be a little more highway driving, but I did 305 miles on the first tank of gas, next 318, then 332 and now I'm already at 292 with over a quarter of the tank left. 535i 6-speed with about 1,200 miles
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| 19841121 (104hp) | How do you 550 guys get over 300 miles of city driving? I have to admit that I'm not light on my feet and my home is very uphill so more gas gets into the engine when I drive home, but I only get about 220-250 miles per tank on my 550xi. And I drive 60/40 highway/city. When I was just driving on a highway, the best I ever got was a little less than 370 miles to the tank.
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| moveswiftly (50hp) | Quote: Originally written by tnikolov How do you get 550 people to travel more than 300 miles in city traffic? I have to admit that I'm not light on my feet and my home is very uphill so more gas gets into the engine when I drive home, but I only get about 220-250 miles per tank on my 550xi. And I drive 60/40 highway/city. When I was just driving on a highway, the best I ever got was a little less than 370 miles to the tank. Wow! I thought I had a heavy foot. I get around 300-320.
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| rfktylfhm (796hp) | f10 520d: 1100 km mixed roads and 50% highways
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| hehehe123 (499hp) | I get between 400 and 450 miles per tank. However, I do very little highway driving, maybe 50-70 miles of that.
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| fas (222hp) | 1287Kilometers are my record, but my average in the occasional traffic light Grand Prix race etc is 900. I have to say my 520d has the best gas mileage and still performs pretty well in the sport+
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| kingcobra (690hp) | Quote: Originally posted by AMJAM 1287km is my record, but my average in occasional traffic light Grand Prix races etc is 900. I have to say my 520d has the best fuel economy and still pretty good performance in the sport Use adaptive cruise control frequently. And this will deactivate Sport+. But interesting, I'll take a look at it.
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| random! (848hp) | I need to have my foot checked. I'll be lucky if I get to 200 while filling up. 90% city traffic in New York
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| cookiesowns (396hp) | So it depends on where you are going. I drove 342 miles in a quarter tank from the north of the UK to the south at 56mph in rush hour traffic. I achieved an average of 67.5 mpg. I did the same trip the next week in reverse and got 58.8... I have done 840 miles on my 2013 520d but am convinced that with the right location I could do the thousand.. .at least I believe so, but will probably never be able to prove it. I used to drive everywhere at high speed, but these days I drive at around 65 km/h, listen to music and enjoy my journey. Sam.
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| 20121987 (800hp) | I can't do more than 250 miles in the whole city and that doesn't mean I have to accelerate too much, I do have 20s though. Is that normal???
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| GarbageMan (531hp) | Quote: Originally written by Amini77. I can't get more than 250 miles in the city and that doesn't mean I have to accelerate too much, I do have 20s though. Is that normal? If yours is an M5 then that sounds about right. If not, there is something wrong with the car
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| carwash1 (320hp) | On a long trip I can do more than 300 km per tank - highway driving... 200-250 km in city driving...
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| cyclone111 (302hp) | I'm seriously thinking about it, which might sound crazy, but listen to me before you crucify me. The car is a 2013 M-Sport with almost every option imaginable and only 27,000 on the clock. It's a dealer who bought it from an insurance company that paid a "water damage" claim. Yes, that put me off a bit, but the car is immaculate and everything works. There are lots of pictures and they basically challenge me to find evidence of water damage. They claim that they checked it from the ground up and took it for a test drive before purchasing (which makes sense). They also claim that everything works exactly as it should, navigation, lane departure warning, backup camera, heated front and rear seats...everything. There is no guarantee (I wonder if Route 66 would offer one?) and the price is only $24,900. I would appreciate your opinion as well as the price and warranty concerns. Thank you in advance. Swish
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| Harold Wood (831hp) | Quote: Originally written by Swish. I'm seriously considering it, which might sound crazy, but hear me out before you crucify me... There is no guarantee (I wonder if Route 66 would offer one?) and the price is only $24,900. For what it's worth I wouldn't touch it, but especially not at this price, not even half this price if I'm honest. I hear water damage and my reaction is to go as far as I can and never look back. These devices can be expensive to repair/maintain, even if purchased brand new.
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| 18011979 (966hp) | I would offer them 5,000...because if you try to trade it in at a dealer they will rip the crap out of you because there is no reliable way to assess the value of a vehicle that is totaled. Please also note that BMW will NOT cover ANYTHING as all warranties will be void if this is added to the vehicle.
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| penguin22 (765hp) | Water damage is difficult to diagnose ---- really! Everything may work today, but if you don't explore every little corner, the corrosion may slowly disappear and hurt you again in a few months or years.
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| michael32 (980hp) | Could you perhaps post pictures of it when it was at auction? Maybe take it to an independent mechanic if you're seriously considering it. Sounds like hit or miss... but isn't 24,000 a bit high for a salvage title? I would say if an independent mechanic looks at it and it's fine, I would buy it for no more than $18,000 to $20,000.
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| danny! (288hp) | Working for a dealership, I can tell you that junk vehicles typically cost about half the value of a clean vehicle, and that's on a good day. Additionally, Route 66 does not warrant any branded or salvaged vehicles. I don't think I've found a single guarantee that does that. My advice: avoid it like the plague. There's a reason an insurance company paid +/- $30,000 out of pocket to the original owner, and it's certainly not a simple claim. Pay an additional 3,000 to 5,000 euros and get a clean F10 title with similar features and live happily in life.
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| 12wqasxz (482hp) | No, period
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| pantera69 (75hp) | I think you'd have more fun burning $100 bills.
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| 020990 (149hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 07e92 No, period +1
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| b1tches (473hp) | I wouldn't buy an F'10 without a warranty, let alone with a junk title. NO
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| 251984 (922hp) | If the dealer is so confident in their repairs, they will give you a guarantee. Like a 3/36 bumper to bumper warranty. And with that I wouldn't pay more than $18,000. If there was water damage I would still... RUN!!!
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| 231995 (245hp) | I have 9 years experience in the salvage industry. I bought my F10 a year ago, crumpled up the front, for a song with half the miles, and repaired it perfectly and cheaply. All in all, way below your expectations, which is way too high considering the particular story that is included in my opinion. There's a thread about my build here: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1264793 However, I wouldn't touch a real water damaged car with a 10 foot pole. I've walked around the shop too many times having nightmares about one electrical deterioration related issue after another.
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| daddyyanke (64hp) | What kind of water damage are we talking about? Was the car completely submerged or did some idiot drive it through a car wash with the sunroof open or maybe a 5 gallon water bottle in the trunk opened and flooded the inside of the trunk? Apparently the insurance company totaled it, so everything was broken. If the dealer is confident that the device will work like new, he should provide at least a one-year warranty for this price. If you roll the dice by simply buying a non-recycled used BMW with no warranty, I would never buy a European luxury car without a warranty. You can find out more details about water damage and contact us???
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| mr (917hp) | Aside from hidden damage and the possibility of costly repairs, you will have a hard time selling it to the next owner unless you plan to keep this car until its ultimate death. Sensible people avoid cars with accident reports on a Carfax, just imagine their reaction to a salvage title.
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| moncho (975hp) | That's a bit of an exaggeration because you'd have to be crazy to buy a car that's been in an accident or has a salvage title. The biggest problem with accident reports and junk vehicle branding is that it uses a broad brush to paint the same picture on every car. Something relatively small is referred to in the same way as a car that has been blown in half and reconstructed with chewing gum and chicken wire. To be afraid of such cars is pure ignorance. If you have the experience and resources to buy the right car, you can get a great vehicle at a bargain price without any hassle. If you're not an appropriately equipped buyer, it can also be a complete nightmare. As with many things in life, and especially here... caveat emptor.
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| romantik (180hp) | I would avoid it based on the price alone. Even if the mileage is good and there are plenty of options, you should be able to find a 2013 with decent mileage (<.60K) for less than 60K miles and no salvage title. Even if it's not in your city, fly there and drive it back or have it shipped. In a quick CL search, I found a 2013 MSport Black on Black with 46,000 miles and a ton of options (including HUD, active and ventilated seats, and others) listed for $21,000. I don't agree that a salvage title is terrible, but at least you can see a bent frame or replace a bumper easily. Given the water damage and little to no knowledge of what actually happened, I think it could haunt you for the rest of the time you have it. And because of depreciation and salvage title, it will be worth much less over time. As most others have said, I would skip it.
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| bramble1 (557hp) | Here's a 2014 model with comparably low miles for just $8,900 more.
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| cobra123 (628hp) | Buy it if the car is fine. I've bought folded cars before and never had any problems, but again, be sure to check everything.
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| dimarik (739hp) | That's pretty terrible. I'm not a recovery worker, but I have an accident on record. Super small fender bending error. 2012 535i M-Sport with $50,000 for $25,000. Plus all my Auto Nation warranty crap and my vehicle purchase. and damn CA sales tax.
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| dundee (857hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Teddylongtooth What type of water damage are we talking about? Was the car completely submerged or did some idiot drive it through a car wash with the sunroof open or maybe a 5 gallon water bottle in the trunk opened and flooded the inside of the trunk? Apparently the insurance company totaled it, so everything was broken. If the dealer is confident that the device will work like new, he should provide at least a one-year warranty for this price. If you roll the dice by simply buying a non-recycled used BMW with no warranty, I would never buy a European luxury car without a warranty. Can you find out more details about water damage and contact us? ...he explained that they were regular buyers from insurance companies. Some are damaged, some are not. He said they walked past “flood cars” several times after the inspection, but not in this case. They basically removed almost all of the interior parts and could find no signs of water damage, no strange smells, etc. and everything works...audio, backup camera, lane change warning, navigation...everything. They also have a 100% positive seller rating on eBay. I'll probably make the 85 mile drive to check it out and test drive it and then make a rather cheap offer. If I can get this for less than $20,000, I don't care if I have to spend another $5-10,000 on repairs in the near future. It would still be a good buy. Call me crazy, but I'm willing to take the risk.
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| jeremy5 (87hp) | Quote: Originally written by Swish ...he stated that they were regular buyers for insurance companies. Some are damaged, some are not. He said they walked past “flood cars” several times after the inspection, but not in this case. They basically removed almost all of the interior parts and could find no signs of water damage, no strange smells, etc. and everything works...audio, backup camera, lane change warning, navigation...everything. They also have a 100% positive seller rating on eBay. I'll probably make the 85 mile drive to check it out and test drive it and then make a rather cheap offer. If I can get this for less than $20,000, I don't care if I have to spend another $5-10,000 on repairs in the near future. It would still be a good buy. Call me crazy, but I'm willing to take the risk. The general consensus is that you shouldn't buy it for fear it will cause you problems, maybe it will, maybe it won't, no one commenting on it can know. But in my experience a warranty would need to be purchased or included before I would purchase a car like this. My 2011 550m Sport had 51,600 miles on it when I bought it, I paid $4,200 extra for a 3 year/30,000 mile warranty. In the first three months of owning the car, all four electronic dampers needed replacing, which would have cost me $7,200. The guarantee has already been paid off and the whole thing was repaid three more times for other things. My car was sold to me as a great driving car with no problems. These cars are known to have engine and electrical problems without any water damage. You can read through threads from people who are having brand new problems right off the showroom floor. But if you're willing to potentially spend a little more money later, it doesn't matter. I hope it works out for you and you don't have any electrical or mechanical problems if you decide to purchase it. If you do this, you are neither crazy nor stupid, you just trust your dealer more than most people would. Good luck to you, brother
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| 14111989 (646hp) | Since I'm an electronics engineer, don't do it. Yes, everything works now, but in the blink of an eye, something can go wrong. The corrosion hasn't set in yet, if you can live with it then buy the car. I'm not saying it will cause you serious problems, but the chances are very slim. The only thing this car needs is fuel and luck. If you haven't brought the components to depot level and checked the circuit boards for corrosion, this is a costly case. They will tell you what you want to hear
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| 129129 (387hp) | I'm seriously thinking about it, which might sound crazy, but listen to me before you crucify me. The car is a 2013 M-Sport with almost every option imaginable and only 27,000 on the clock. It's a dealer who bought it from an insurance company that paid a "water damage" claim. Yes, that put me off a bit, but the car is immaculate and everything works. There are lots of pictures and they basically challenge me to find evidence of water damage. They claim that they checked it from the ground up and took it for a test drive before purchasing (which makes sense). They also claim that everything works exactly as it should, navigation, lane departure warning, backup camera, heated front and rear seats...everything. There is no guarantee (I wonder if Route 66 would offer one?) and the price is only $24,900. I would appreciate your opinion as well as the price and warranty concerns. Thank you in advance. Swish
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| jr12345 (357hp) | Quote: Originally written by Swish. I'm seriously considering it, which might sound crazy, but hear me out before you crucify me... There is no guarantee (I wonder if Route 66 would offer one?) and the price is only $24,900. For what it's worth I wouldn't touch it, but especially not at this price, not even half this price if I'm honest. I hear water damage and my reaction is to go as far as I can and never look back. These devices can be expensive to repair/maintain, even if purchased brand new.
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