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| 120793 (586hp) | Hi flyinbrian, we are still waiting for the photos of your interior with the light ash wood. How about a general report of the car, especially after leaving an M3?
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| Mahovic (850hp) | Quote: Originally posted by fiveten Hi flyinbrian, we are still waiting for the photos of your interior with the light ash wood. How about a general report on the car, especially after moving from an M3? Sorry for the delay. I'm going to try to do something this weekend since I haven't really driven the car since I've been out of town since I bought it. Here's a little better photo to hold you back.
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| jbeemer13 (68hp) | If you want to see light wood with Venetian Beige, this video shows it quite dramatically! Video Light Wood-Venetian Beige
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| charles7 (181hp) | And here is the full set of flyinbrian photos, including many light wood photos: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=420080
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| 030190 (495hp) | When I drove the 535i and 550i, I noticed that the 550 had 4 modes: comfort, normal, sport, and sport+. The 535i only had the first three modes (no sport+). The BMW website doesn't shed any light on this. Can anyone tell me what I should expect on my 535i (I'm setup with a sport pack and a dynamic handling pack). THANKS!
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| runrun (221hp) | I drove the 535i and 550i models with dynamic driving controls. Both had comfort, normal, sport and sport +.
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| storm12 (184hp) | 535I also like sports+
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| freestyler (355hp) | The toggle is the same for the ZDH and the 2TB, but its function is different. (2 TB) Sport Automatic Transmission with Paddle Shifters 500.00 This is a transmission shift ONLY, with 3 modes, Normal, Sport and Sport + (ZDH) Dynamic Handling Package 2,700.00 223 Electronic Cruise Control Damping N/C 229 Active Roll Stabilization (ARS) N/ C 2VA Adaptive Drive N/C Controls the chassis and transmission and has 4 modes: Comfort, Normal, Sports and Sports.+.
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| biteme123 (846hp) | This all seems clear. But what is the button for and how does it do it if the car is equipped with both ZDH and 2TB?
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| 777kroxa (53hp) | Quote: Posted by raleedy Everything seems clear. But what is the button for and how does it do it if the car has both ZDH and 2TB? From the official press release: The new 5 Series can be equipped with a Sport package that adds Adaptive Drive, which contains several key features. • Driving Dynamics Control, introduced on the 2009 BMW 7 Series and Z4 Roadster, allows the driver to adjust the car's driving/handling/transmission behavior via a single toggle switch on the center console. Adjacent to the E-shift gear lever or manual gear lever is the Driving Dynamics Control selector (logically, on the driver's side). Driving Dynamics Control offers four standard settings that adapt the vehicle's behavior to different ambiances. The settings are Comfort, Normal, Sport and Sport+. Affected vehicle settings include engine throttle response, shift characteristics, power steering assist level and Dynamic Traction Control mode (in Sport+ setting). • Dynamic Damper Control is an evolution of Electronic Damper Control (EDC) available on several BMW models. On the new 5 Series, Dynamic Damping Control (DDC) is associated with a slightly lowered suspension (10 mm). Dynamic Damping Control adjusts the shock absorbers to any firmness level, quickly adapting to road conditions and driver requirements. Suspension control is always optimal depending on current road conditions, vehicle speed and load. The shock absorbers are set by default to the softest setting appropriate for the vehicle's speed, and when the vehicle encounters an uneven road surface, they instantly adjust to control driving movements, preserve ride comfort and maintain smoothness. adhesion to the road. The system is so fast that even at highway speeds it can detect a pothole at a front wheel and adjust the rear wheel's damping before it hits the same pothole. -chicken. Dynamic Damping Control is the first BMW system to vary the shock absorbers' rebound and rebound strokes (wheel moving up and down) continuously and independently. This ability results in a unique combination of desirable firmness (for handling) and excellent comfort on uneven roads. surfaces. • Active roll stabilization. This high-tech system reduces body roll, commonly known as “lean,” when cornering. It improves handling through better suspension geometry (wheel angles relative to the vertical), but there is also a psychological element: drivers and passengers marvel at the "flat corners" that result from the ARS. When the vehicle enters a bend or turn, or begins an evasive maneuver, “lateral acceleration” is generated. This is read by a sensor which transmits a signal to the ECU. The ECU processes this signal and transmits it to the valve/sensor block. In turn, the valve/sensor assembly determines the hydraulic pressure applied to the anti-roll bars to control body roll..
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| kisha1 (506hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 (2TB) Sport Automatic Transmission with Paddle Shifters 500.00 This is a transmission shift ONLY, with 3 modes, Normal, Sport and Sport + This is not not quite correct. Even without adaptive drive and only with the 2TB, in Sport and Sport+ modes, the steering and throttle response are also changed. BMW also states that the chassis is tightened in Sport mode, although I can't figure this out when the car doesn't have active dampers..
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| girl10 (717hp) | Quote: Originally Posted by Soon ExAudi Guy When I drove the 535i and 550i, I noticed that the 550 had 4 modes: comfort, normal, sport, and sport+. The 535i only had the first three modes (no sport+). The BMW website doesn't shed any light on this. Can anyone tell me what I should expect on my 535i (I'm setup with a sport pack and a dynamic handling pack). THANKS! Your configuration will have all 4 modes on the 535i.
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| карина (155hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 The toggle is the same for ZDH and 2TB, but its function is different. (2TB) Sport Automatic Transmission with Paddle Shifters 500.00 This is a transmission shift ONLY, with 3 modes, Normal, Sport & Sport + Thanks for this information. So it seems that the car I tested only had the Sport automatic transmission and not Dynamic Management. That would explain why, aside from the different engine, the 550i I drove felt different.
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| SPIDERMAN (902hp) | Quote: Posted by gorban This is not entirely accurate. Even without adaptive drive and only with the 2TB, in Sport and Sport+ modes, the steering and throttle response are also changed. BMW also says the chassis is tightened in Sport mode, although I can't figure that out when the car doesn't have active dampers. Yes, the throttle response is more immediate. Since transmission and throttle response are related, I omitted this. As for the steering tightening in Sport modes, with only the 2TB option and no ZDH, that's not clear to me. The manual doesn't enlighten us on this point either (big surprise). This might well be the case, but I can't tell from the literature. Also, as you mention, when you put the car in Sport modes (2TB only) the car indicates the chassis setting, but how can this be done without damping control or active roll stabilization ??
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| 18street (457hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 Also, as you mention, when you put the car in Sport modes (2TB only), the car indicates the chassis setting, but how can this be done without control d damping or active roll stabilization? Nothing happens because the software is there but not the hardware.
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| aa000000 (547hp) | Quote: Posted by bm323 Nothing happens because the software is there but not the hardware. I can tell you it's a little different.
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| waterh2o (484hp) | Quote: Posted by scottz5 I can tell you it's a little different. The F10 in sport mode (even without adaptive drive or dynamic/variable/electronic damper control) feels different than normal mode. The steering is more precise and the chassis feels tighter. However, the chassis is not tightened. I don't know what's really happening. The navigation screen can display the chassis, but it cannot be adjusted effectively without adaptive drive or EDC. But if one does not need/prefer to have the different modes, the M sport suspension may be preferable.
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| kelly1234 (627hp) | When I drove the 535i and 550i, I noticed that the 550 had 4 modes: comfort, normal, sport, and sport+. The 535i only had the first three modes (no sport+). The BMW website doesn't shed any light on this. Can anyone tell me what I should expect on my 535i (I'm setup with a sport pack and a dynamic handling pack). THANKS!
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| shadow44 (10hp) | I drove the 535i and 550i models with dynamic driving controls. Both had comfort, normal, sport and sport +.
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| meteora1 (429hp) | 535I also like sports+
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| franki (995hp) | The toggle is the same for the ZDH and the 2TB, but its function is different. (2 TB) Sport Automatic Transmission with Paddle Shifters 500.00 This is a transmission shift ONLY, with 3 modes, Normal, Sport and Sport + (ZDH) Dynamic Handling Package 2,700.00 223 Electronic Cruise Control Damping N/C 229 Active Roll Stabilization (ARS) N/ C 2VA Adaptive Drive N/C Controls the chassis and transmission and has 4 modes: Comfort, Normal, Sports and Sports.+.
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| arief (726hp) | This all seems clear. But what is the button for and how does it do it if the car is equipped with both ZDH and 2TB?
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| kite81 (967hp) | Quote: Posted by raleedy Everything seems clear. But what is the button for and how does it do it if the car has both ZDH and 2TB? From the official press release: The new 5 Series can be equipped with a Sport package that adds Adaptive Drive, which contains several key features. • Driving Dynamics Control, introduced on the 2009 BMW 7 Series and Z4 Roadster, allows the driver to adjust the car's driving/handling/transmission behavior via a single toggle switch on the center console. Adjacent to the E-shift gear lever or manual gear lever is the Driving Dynamics Control selector (logically, on the driver's side). Driving Dynamics Control offers four standard settings that adapt the vehicle's behavior to different ambiances. The settings are Comfort, Normal, Sport and Sport+. Affected vehicle settings include engine throttle response, shift characteristics, power steering assist level and Dynamic Traction Control mode (in Sport+ setting). • Dynamic Damper Control is an evolution of Electronic Damper Control (EDC) available on several BMW models. On the new 5 Series, Dynamic Damping Control (DDC) is associated with a slightly lowered suspension (10 mm). Dynamic Damping Control adjusts the shock absorbers to any firmness level, quickly adapting to road conditions and driver requirements. Suspension control is always optimal depending on current road conditions, vehicle speed and load. The shock absorbers are set by default to the softest setting appropriate for the vehicle's speed, and when the vehicle encounters an uneven road surface, they instantly adjust to control driving movements, preserve ride comfort and maintain smoothness. adhesion to the road. The system is so fast that even at highway speeds it can detect a pothole at a front wheel and adjust the rear wheel's damping before it hits the same pothole. -chicken. Dynamic Damping Control is the first BMW system to vary the shock absorbers' rebound and rebound strokes (wheel moving up and down) continuously and independently. This ability results in a unique combination of desirable firmness (for handling) and excellent comfort on uneven roads. surfaces. • Active roll stabilization. This high-tech system reduces body roll, commonly known as “lean,” when cornering. It improves handling through better suspension geometry (wheel angles relative to the vertical), but there is also a psychological element: drivers and passengers marvel at the "flat turns" that result from the ARS. When the vehicle enters a bend or turn, or begins an evasive maneuver, “lateral acceleration” is generated. This is read by a sensor which transmits a signal to the ECU. The ECU processes this signal and transmits it to the valve/sensor block. In turn, the valve/sensor assembly determines the hydraulic pressure applied to the anti-roll bars to control body roll..
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| JTMMO (28hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 (2TB) Sport Automatic Transmission with Paddle Shifters 500.00 This is a transmission shift ONLY, with 3 modes, Normal, Sport and Sport + This is not not quite correct. Even without adaptive drive and only with the 2TB, in Sport and Sport+ modes, the steering and throttle response are also changed. BMW also states that the chassis is tightened in Sport mode, although I can't figure this out when the car doesn't have active dampers..
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| sanders_mattukF11 (374hp) | Quote: Originally Posted by Soon ExAudi Guy When I drove the 535i and 550i, I noticed that the 550 had 4 modes: comfort, normal, sport, and sport+. The 535i only had the first three modes (no sport+). The BMW website doesn't shed any light on this. Can anyone tell me what I should expect on my 535i (I'm setup with a sport pack and a dynamic handling pack). THANKS! Your configuration will have all 4 modes on the 535i.
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| 01081996 (375hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 The toggle is the same for ZDH and 2TB, but its function is different. (2TB) Sport Automatic Transmission with Paddle Shifters 500.00 This is a transmission shift ONLY, with 3 modes, Normal, Sport & Sport + Thanks for this information. So it seems that the car I tested only had the Sport automatic transmission and not Dynamic Management. That would explain why, aside from the different engine, the 550i I drove felt different.
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| mybitch1 (231hp) | Quote: Posted by gorban This is not entirely accurate. Even without adaptive drive and only with the 2TB, in Sport and Sport+ modes, the steering and throttle response are also changed. BMW also says the chassis is tightened in Sport mode, although I can't figure that out when the car doesn't have active dampers. Yes, the throttle response is more immediate. Since transmission and throttle response are related, I omitted this. As for the steering tightening in Sport modes, with only the 2TB option and no ZDH, that's not clear to me. The manual doesn't enlighten us on this point either (big surprise). This might well be the case, but I can't tell from the literature. Also, as you mention, when you put the car in Sport modes (2TB only) the car indicates the chassis setting, but how can this be done without damping control or active roll stabilization ??
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| 02041973 (699hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 Also, as you mention, when you put the car in Sport modes (2TB only), the car indicates the chassis setting, but how can this be done without control d damping or active roll stabilization? Nothing happens because the software is there but not the hardware.
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| adrian22 (304hp) | Quote: Posted by bm323 Nothing happens because the software is there but not the hardware. I can tell you it's a little different.
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| manatee (56hp) | Quote: Posted by scottz5 I can tell you it's a little different. The F10 in sport mode (even without adaptive drive or dynamic/variable/electronic damper control) feels different than normal mode. The steering is more precise and the chassis feels tighter. However, the chassis is not tightened. I don't know what's really happening. The navigation screen can display the chassis, but it cannot be adjusted effectively without adaptive drive or EDC. But if one does not need/prefer to have the different modes, the M sport suspension may be preferable.
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| lovelost (665hp) | The E90/92 is a good choice for those nostalgic for the feel of the E60. Slightly smaller, lighter, but sufficiently large and substantial, and without the slightest hint of Lexus.
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| coolest (81hp) | Quote: Posted by raleedy E90/92 is a good choice for those nostalgic for the feel of the E60. Slightly smaller, lighter, but sufficiently large and substantial, and without the slightest hint of Lexus. +1. Well, with the right options it can also be a bit luxurious...and it lacks that artificial electric steering. I hope they keep mechanical steering, at least as an option on the F30.
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| neznam (482hp) | Quote: Originally posted by erio +1. Well, with the right options it can also be a bit luxurious...and it lacks that artificial electric steering. I hope they keep mechanical steering, at least as an option on the F30. e90 is a much better example with 4 doors. and the interior of the F10 is light years ahead of that of the e9x - I had a fully loaded 335i M Sport and even a cheaper base 523i stripper offers a richer feel.
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| 1234567897 (568hp) | Quote: Originally posted by akhter e90 is a much better example with 4 doors. and the F10's interior is light years ahead of the e9x - I had a fully loaded 335i M Sport and even a cheaper base 523i stripper offers a richer feel. Yes, if you're looking for luxury, go for the F.10.
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| 06071978 (745hp) | I haven't had the pleasure of driving an "M" car, so I don't know how well they handle. I started with an 02 325Ci, then an 04 530i, moved to an 07 335i and now I have an 11 535i. I have to agree with everything SD535 wrote: This is by far the best BMW I have had the pleasure of owning. Enjoy it SD, I know I am.
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| kvhost (569hp) | I live about 20 minutes from Mid Ohio, I'm getting ready to head home for the AMLS GT event this afternoon, and I had a lot of fun chatting about cars in general yesterday, with quite a few new F10s. Some of the comments I received yesterday from BMW and non-BMW alike: "The only people who liked the look of the E60 were 60% of those who bought it." Although both drive very well, the F10 is finally a BMW again, with great lines and great looks. "Yes, I've read all the reviews about the steering feel, kind of a cop out if you ask me because those same people say the F10 'steers' better." I favor driving rather than sensations, but to each their own. “Everything will change when the M5 comes out. What can be done on the F10 thanks to the much stiffer chassis has barely been touched on..'
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| omg999 (265hp) | Quote: Originally posted by tadtaggert I live about 20 minutes from Mid Ohio, I'm getting ready to head home for the AMLS GT event this afternoon, and I had a lot of fun chatting about cars in general yesterday, with quite a few F10 news. Some of the comments I received yesterday from BMW and non-BMW alike: "The only people who liked the look of the E60 were 60% of those who bought it." Although both drive very well, the F10 is finally a BMW again, with great lines and great looks. "Yes, I've read all the reviews about the steering feel, kind of a cop out if you ask me because those same people say the F10 'steers' better." I favor driving rather than sensations, but to each their own. “Everything will change when the M5 comes out. What can be done on the F10 thanks to the much stiffer chassis has barely been touched on. Hmm...in my opinion it's hard to enjoy driving without good steering. Also, I agree the frame is improved, but it's counterintuitive to add suspension that doesn't complement it well. The M5 will be great.
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| topgear1 (979hp) | IMO, from extended test drives, the standard F10's steering doesn't have the traditional BMW feel, a bit too light, numb in the middle position and bad road vibrations can carry over to the steering wheel. F10 with 2TB option allowing adjustable steering weighting, perfect in sport configuration, precise, perfectly weighted and makes the car much more the perfect BMW steering. HighlandPete
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| 161988 (657hp) | I'm happy to have 2TB...
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| street2 (672hp) | Quote: Originally posted by HighlandPete IMO, following an extended test drive, the standard F10's steering doesn't have the traditional BMW feel, a bit too light, numb in mid position and bad road vibrations can affect the steering wheel. F10 with 2TB option allowing adjustable steering weighting, perfect in sport configuration, precise, perfectly weighted and makes the car much more the perfect steering BMW. HighlandPete How does adding a $500 (2TB) steering wheel shifter change the steering? I know sport/sport+ with ZSP didn't help much.
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| sporty1 (350hp) | Quote: Originally posted by erio How does adding a $500 (2TB) steering wheel shifter change the steering? I know sport/sport+ with ZSP didn't help much. ZSP, the sports package is mainly cosmetic. Have you tested an f10 with dynamic management to date?
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| hellogoodbye (614hp) | Quote: Originally posted by erio How does adding a $500 (2TB) steering wheel shifter change the steering? I know the sport/sport+ with the ZSP didn't help much. So how much time or miles do you actually have in an F10?
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| pass4me (588hp) | Quote: Originally posted by erio How does adding a $500 (2TB) steering wheel shifter change the steering? I know the sport/sport+ with the ZSP didn't help much. 2TB definitely changes the steering and transmission to be sportier, but the chassis can be. I am very happy with it.
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| slavik (274hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bm323 ZSP, the sport package is mainly cosmetic. Have you tested an f10 with dynamic management to date? Yes I know but there are several posts above mine which say that it changes the direction. I tested the 550 with the Dynamic Handling package in all settings. I posted about this in detail in another thread. Paddle shifters were included. I have also driven a friend's 535 several times with the same options..
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| embolism (794hp) | Quote: Originally posted by erio How does adding a $500 (2TB) steering wheel shifter change the steering? I know the sport/sport+ with the ZSP didn't help much. Oh brother, here we go again. Maybe BMW should have charged $2,000 for the 2TB option so people would believe it does something... 2TB adds the paddle shifters, sport-tuned automatic transmission, and control dynamic driving (not to be confused with Dynamic Drive, or Dynamic Dampers or Adaptive Drive) ZSP is mainly cosmetic.
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| schnulli (627hp) | Quote: Posted by alex_c Oh brother, here we go again. Maybe BMW should have charged $2,000 for the 2TB option so people would believe it does something... 2TB adds the paddle shifters, sport-tuned automatic transmission, and control dynamic driving (not to be confused with Dynamic Drive, or Dynamic Dampers or Adaptive Drive) ZSP is mainly cosmetic. Thanks for clarifying the difference. Yes, ZDH is the adaptive player.
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| simbas (373hp) | I agree with you tadtaggert. I come from an Evolution IX, so most cars feel very different from this raw but capable beast. I have the 550i with Dynamic Handling Package and after 1,500 miles I have enjoyed experiencing its capabilities. In fact, I'm looking forward to my hellish ride. In terms of handling, I think it balances sport and luxury well, but I can't wait to see what the M5 will offer. Power? It's hard to imagine having more than adequate reserves for the 550i, because this car pulls extremely hard on the highway. I think the M5 is going to be a bit scary on public roads and perhaps make for a less balanced commuter, although it would deter any car enthusiast. Gas mileage is also quite good, averaging 26.6 at 75 mph with a range of 400 sec on a full tank of 93
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| 22012201 (746hp) | Quote: Posted by CJ I agree with you tadtaggert. I come from an Evolution IX, so most cars feel very different from this raw but capable beast. I have the 550i with Dynamic Handling Package and after 1,500 miles I have enjoyed experiencing its capabilities. In fact, I'm looking forward to my hellish ride. In terms of handling, I think it balances sport and luxury well, but I can't wait to see what the M5 will offer. Power? It's hard to imagine having more than adequate reserves for the 550i, because this car pulls extremely hard on the highway. I think the M5 is going to be a little scary on public roads and will perhaps make for a less balanced commuter, although it would deter any car enthusiast. Plus, gas mileage is pretty good, averaging 26.6 at 75 mph with a range of 400 sec on a full tank of 93. Glad to hear you like the car coming from an Evo. The car seems to grow on people. That's a good sign. Yes, M cars have always been the most extreme. They are perfect if you prefer this experience or want to track your car.
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| olympics (274hp) | The E90/92 is a good choice for those nostalgic for the feel of the E60. Slightly smaller, lighter, but sufficiently large and substantial, and without the slightest hint of Lexus.
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| withoutu (131hp) | Quote: Posted by raleedy E90/92 is a good choice for those nostalgic for the feel of the E60. Slightly smaller, lighter, but sufficiently large and substantial, and without the slightest hint of Lexus. +1. Well, with the right options it can also be a bit luxurious...and it lacks that artificial electric steering. I hope they keep mechanical steering, at least as an option on the F30.
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| unhappy1 (168hp) | Quote: Originally posted by erio +1. Well, with the right options it can also be a bit luxurious...and it lacks that artificial electric steering. I hope they keep mechanical steering, at least as an option on the F30. e90 is a much better example with 4 doors. and the interior of the F10 is light years ahead of that of the e9x - I had a fully loaded 335i M Sport and even a cheaper base 523i stripper offers a richer feel.
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| VMcV3y (399hp) | Quote: Originally posted by akhter e90 is a much better example with 4 doors. and the F10's interior is light years ahead of the e9x - I had a fully loaded 335i M Sport and even a cheaper base 523i stripper offers a richer feel. Yes, if luxury is what one is looking for, then go for the F.10.
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| karlmarx (880hp) | I haven't had the pleasure of driving an "M" car, so I don't know how well they handle. I started with an 02 325Ci, then an 04 530i, moved to an 07 335i and now I have an 11 535i. I have to agree with everything SD535 wrote: This is by far the best BMW I have had the pleasure of owning. Enjoy it SD, I know I am.
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| different1 (735hp) | I live about 20 minutes from Mid Ohio, I'm getting ready to head home for the AMLS GT event this afternoon, and I had a lot of fun chatting about cars in general yesterday, with quite a few new F10s. Some of the comments I received yesterday from BMW and non-BMW alike: "The only people who liked the look of the E60 were 60% of those who bought it." Although both drive very well, the F10 is finally a BMW again, with great lines and great looks. "Yes, I've read all the reviews about the steering feel, kind of a cop out if you ask me because those same people say the F10 'steers' better." I favor driving rather than sensations, but to each their own. “Everything will change when the M5 comes out. What can be done on the F10 thanks to the much stiffer chassis has barely been touched on..'
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| dreamcatcher (786hp) | Quote: Originally posted by tadtaggert I live about 20 minutes from Mid Ohio, I'm getting ready to head home for the AMLS GT event this afternoon, and I had a lot of fun chatting about cars in general yesterday, with quite a few F10 news. Some of the comments I received yesterday from BMW and non-BMW alike: "The only people who liked the look of the E60 were 60% of those who bought it." Although both drive very well, the F10 is finally a BMW again, with great lines and great looks. "Yes, I've read all the reviews about the steering feel, kind of a cop out if you ask me because those same people say the F10 'steers' better." I favor driving rather than sensations, but to each their own. “Everything will change when the M5 comes out. What can be done on the F10 thanks to the much stiffer chassis has barely been touched on. Hmm...in my opinion it's hard to enjoy driving without good steering. Also, I agree the frame is improved, but it's counterintuitive to add suspension that doesn't complement it well. The M5 will be great.
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| 131984 (982hp) | IMO, from extended test drives, the standard F10's steering doesn't have the traditional BMW feel, a bit too light, numb in the middle position and bad road vibrations can carry over to the steering wheel. F10 with 2TB option allowing adjustable steering weighting, perfect in sport configuration, precise, perfectly weighted and makes the car much more the perfect steering BMW. HighlandPete
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| futbol7 (435hp) | I'm happy to have 2TB...
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| jc5988 (633hp) | Quote: Originally posted by HighlandPete IMO, following an extended test drive, the standard F10's steering doesn't have the traditional BMW feel, a bit too light, numb in mid position and bad road vibrations can affect the steering wheel. F10 with 2TB option allowing adjustable steering weighting, perfect in sport configuration, precise, perfectly weighted and makes the car much more the perfect steering BMW. HighlandPete How does adding a $500 (2TB) steering wheel shifter change the steering? I know sport/sport+ with ZSP didn't help much.
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| nigger22 (654hp) | Quote: Originally posted by erio How does adding a $500 (2TB) steering wheel shifter change the steering? I know the sport/sport+ with the ZSP didn't help much. ZSP, the sports package is mainly cosmetic. Have you tested an f10 with dynamic management to date?
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| tweety25 (222hp) | Quote: Originally posted by erio How does adding a $500 (2TB) steering wheel shifter change the steering? I know the sport/sport+ with the ZSP didn't help much. So how much time or miles do you actually have in an F10?
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| nastya1997 (413hp) | Quote: Originally posted by erio How does adding a $500 (2TB) steering wheel shifter change the steering? I know the sport/sport+ with the ZSP didn't help much. 2TB definitely changes the steering and transmission to be sportier, but the chassis can be. I am very happy with it.
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| 230490 (393hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bm323 ZSP, the sport package is mainly cosmetic. Have you tested an f10 with dynamic management to date? Yes I know but there are several posts above mine which say that it changes the direction. I tested the 550 with the Dynamic Handling package in all settings. I posted about this in detail in another thread. Paddle shifters were included. I have also driven a friend's 535 several times with the same options..
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| AussieBob (99hp) | Quote: Originally posted by erio How does adding a $500 (2TB) steering wheel shifter change the steering? I know sport/sport+ with ZSP didn't help much. Oh brother, here we go again. Maybe BMW should have charged $2,000 for the 2TB option so people would believe it does something... 2TB adds the paddle shifters, sport-tuned automatic transmission, and control dynamic driving (not to be confused with Dynamic Drive, or Dynamic Dampers or Adaptive Drive) ZSP is mainly cosmetic.
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| 8080 (608hp) | Quote: Posted by alex_c Oh brother, here we go again. Maybe BMW should have charged $2,000 for the 2TB option so people would believe it does something... 2TB adds the paddle shifters, sport-tuned automatic transmission, and control dynamic driving (not to be confused with Dynamic Drive, or Dynamic Dampers or Adaptive Drive) ZSP is mainly cosmetic. Thanks for clarifying the difference. Yes, ZDH is the adaptive player.
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| molly13 (647hp) | I agree with you tadtaggert. I come from an Evolution IX, so most cars feel very different from this raw but capable beast. I have the 550i with Dynamic Handling Package and after 1,500 miles I have enjoyed experiencing its capabilities. In fact, I'm looking forward to my hellish ride. In terms of handling, I think it balances sport and luxury well, but I can't wait to see what the M5 will offer. Power? It's hard to imagine having more than adequate reserves for the 550i, because this car pulls extremely hard on the highway. I think the M5 is going to be a bit scary on public roads and perhaps make for a less balanced commuter, although it would deter any car enthusiast. Gas mileage is also quite good, averaging 26.6 at 75 mph with a range of 400 sec on a full tank of 93
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| 550iFreak (666hp) | Quote: Posted by CJ I agree with you tadtaggert. I come from an Evolution IX, so most cars feel very different from this raw but capable beast. I have the 550i with Dynamic Handling Package and after 1,500 miles I have enjoyed experiencing its capabilities. In fact, I'm looking forward to my hellish ride. In terms of handling, I think it balances sport and luxury well, but I can't wait to see what the M5 will offer. Power? It's hard to imagine having more than adequate reserves for the 550i, because this car pulls extremely hard on the highway. I think the M5 is going to be a bit scary on public roads and perhaps make for a less balanced commuter, although it would deter any car enthusiast. Plus, gas mileage is pretty good, averaging 26.6 at 75 mph with a range of 400 sec on a full tank of 93. Glad to hear you like the car coming from an Evo. The car seems to grow on people. That's a good sign. Yes, M cars have always been the most extreme. They are perfect if you prefer this experience or want to track your car.
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| 1313131313 (163hp) | Could anyone make a movie showing the acceleration (0-100) and engine sound in the BMW 520d ?
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| hysteria (413hp) | Here's what I can say about the noise of diesel engines on F10. For a straight six-cylinder F10 you won't notice the specific diesel knocking noise from inside the car, otherwise on the 520d the diesel noise is there under the hood and is not refined at all. In addition you have some vibrations, nothing too serious but the difference is noticeable. It's not the acceleration from 0 to 100 km/h that is the most important. Accelerations from 80 to 120 km/h in 4th and 5th gear are eye-opening for daily driving..
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| roxana (667hp) | Here are some YouTube videos of a 520d se and a station wagon acceleration.
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| destroyer (463hp) | Quote: Originally posted by d-rive Here's what I can say about the noise of the diesel engines on the F10. For a straight six-cylinder F10 you won't notice the specific diesel knocking noise from inside the car, otherwise on the 520d the diesel noise is there under the hood and is not refined at all. In addition you have some vibrations, nothing too serious but the difference is noticeable. It's not the acceleration from 0 to 100 km/h that is the most important. Accelerations from 80 to 120 km/h in 4th and 5th gear are eye-opening for daily driving. Yes, you are right, but from 0 to 100 km/h you hear the whole engine working (I don't know how to translate from Polish to English) Quote: Originally posted by smanoj77 Here are some YouTube videos of a 520d se and a station wagon acceleration. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LomGi...eature=rated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-THGk1mZxsI Thanks. The 8-speed automatic gearbox is quite quick (at least a slight acceleration) - is it something like the DSG gearbox at VW/Skoda/Seat? I like the sound of diesel in my S80
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| single5 (241hp) | Get some gas, man
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| Cali8055 (455hp) | Quote: Posted by PoleApart Get some gas I was thinking about that too, but noticed it's actually worse than the 2 liter diesel. Acceleration to 100 km/h is the same, but from 80 to 120 it's more than 2 seconds worse - and that's a big difference. Apart from that, it costs over 20,000 PLN more. How does the new 5 behave in general? I saw in one of the photos that you also had the previous model and I wonder if there is a big difference between this and the new model. How is navigation in Poland? She is precise?
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| jaqueline1 (495hp) | Better to choose 3.0d automobile.
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| persia (545hp) | Quote: Originally posted by d-rive Lepiej wybra motoryzacji 3.0d. http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=410063 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ ^ I have come to the conclusion that it does not pay to pay extra
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| 11021985 (673hp) | Could anyone make a movie showing the acceleration (0-100) and engine sound in the BMW 520d ?
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| 190286 (562hp) | Here's what I can say about the noise of diesel engines on F10. For a straight six-cylinder F10 you won't notice the specific diesel knocking noise from inside the car, otherwise on the 520d the diesel noise is there under the hood and is not refined at all. In addition you have some vibrations, nothing too serious but the difference is noticeable. It's not the acceleration from 0 to 100 km/h that is the most important. Accelerations from 80 to 120 km/h in 4th and 5th gear are eye-opening for daily driving..
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| alq80 (700hp) | Here are some YouTube videos of a 520d se and a station wagon acceleration.
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| 26041990 (296hp) | Quote: Originally posted by d-rive Here's what I can say about the noise of the diesel engines on the F10. For a straight six-cylinder F10 you won't notice the specific diesel knocking noise from inside the car, otherwise on the 520d the diesel noise is there under the hood and is not refined at all. In addition you have some vibrations, nothing too serious but the difference is noticeable. It's not the acceleration from 0 to 100 km/h that is the most important. Accelerations from 80 to 120 km/h in 4th and 5th gear are eye-opening for daily driving. Yes, you are right, but from 0 to 100 km/h you hear the whole engine working (I don't know how to translate from Polish to English) Quote: Originally posted by smanoj77 Here are some YouTube videos of a 520d se and a station wagon acceleration. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LomGi...eature=rated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-THGk1mZxsI Thanks. The 8-speed automatic gearbox is quite quick (at least a slight acceleration) - is it something like the DSG gearbox at VW/Skoda/Seat? I like the sound of diesel in my S80
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| grace12 (523hp) | Get some gas, man
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| lisandro (680hp) | Quote: Posted by PoleApart Get some gas I was thinking about that too, but noticed it's actually worse than the 2 liter diesel. Acceleration to 100 km/h is the same, but from 80 to 120 it's more than 2 seconds worse - and that's a big difference. Apart from that, it costs over 20,000 PLN more. How does the new 5 behave in general? I saw in one of the photos that you also had the previous model and I wonder if there is a big difference between this and the new model. How is navigation in Poland? She is precise?
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| imgay69 (799hp) | Better to choose 3.0d automobile.
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| bert (284hp) | Quote: Originally posted by d-rive Lepiej wybra motoryzacji 3.0d. http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=410063 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ ^ I have come to the conclusion that it does not pay to pay extra
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| nust007 (887hp) | What do you think about removing the model designation from a vehicle? On my '08 528i I removed the numbers, but this time I'm not sure I want to do it on my '11 535i. Since I got the Shadowline exterior I kind of think it would be cool to just black out the numbers and grille, unfortunately that would still leave chrome on the side indicators and door handles. Thoughts? By the way, the car is Space Gray Metallic. No window tint yet. Should I?
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| taxman (253hp) | What do you think about removing the model designation from a vehicle? On my '08 528i I removed the numbers, but this time I'm not sure I want to do that on my '11 535i. Since I got the Shadowline exterior I kind of think it would be cool to just black out the numbers and grille, unfortunately that would still leave chrome on the side indicators and door handles. Thoughts? By the way, the car is Space Gray Metallic. No window tint yet. Should I?
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| janjanjan (828hp) | Hi, can anyone tell me if the m-sport velor seats are the same as normal sports seats? Are they available in leather? Does anyone have any other photos of the interior of the M-Sport as I can't decide between the two? Finally, would cinnamon leather go with a white car? greetings Andy
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| rtyfgh (674hp) | The sports seats and sports seats with the m-sport package have the same shape, but the m-sport seats have an upholstery in shadow gray fabric/anthracite alcantara. And yes, you can order leather instead of the shadow gray fabric/charcoal alcantara upholstery..
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| rockroll (287hp) | Quote: Posted by w4hsa Hello, can anyone tell me if the M-Sport velor seats are the same as normal sports seats? Are they available in leather? Does anyone have any other photos of the interior of the M-Sport as I can't decide between the two? Finally, would cinnamon leather go with a white car? Regards Andy Yes, the same sports seats and you can upgrade to leather. BTW, these are half Alcantara (faux suede) exteriors with cloth interiors. All the best photos are already here http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=403526. Very high resolution photo HERE
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| 1435 (84hp) | As an architect, I am very opinionated. Cinnamon definitely looks better with metallic black or black saphite and less well with white..
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| l2 (853hp) | Cinnamon & white, just like cornflakes + milk! Beautiful!
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| 1raiders (562hp) | Quote: Posted by pharding As an architect, I am very opinionated. Cinnamon definitely looks better with metallic black saphite or black and less well with white. Sorry, but I have to agree with Bernpep...white and brown are much better than black and brown..
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| emerald7 (803hp) | Does the M-sport seat come with the M-sport pack? The September 2010 update bulletin does not mention that the seat is part of the package? -- NEWSLETTER: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=408469 I hope so, I love how it looks
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| 000012 (327hp) | Quote: Originally published by kplsoleil Does the M-sport seat come with the M-sport pack? The September 2010 update bulletin does not mention that the seat is part of the package? -- NEWSLETTER: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=408469 I hope so, I love how it looks. Yes, it is
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| sherwood1 (14hp) | Does anyone have any pictures of a white car with a brown interior ??
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| ahimsa (891hp) | Quote: Originally published by kplsoleil Does the M-sport seat come with the M-sport pack? The September 2010 update bulletin does not mention that the seat is part of the package? -- NEWSLETTER: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=408469 I hope so, I love how it looks Quote: Originally posted by carl_d Yes, it is The case In Europe yes, I'm not so sure about the US I guess the leather interior is standard in the US. carl_d, what if the 550i here in Europe gets the m-sport cloth/alcantara seats since leather is standard on the 550i?
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| 110885 (581hp) | Quote: Originally posted by remmib In Europe yes, I'm not so sure about the US as I assume the leather interior is standard in the US. carl_d, do you know if the 550i here in Europe gets the m-sport cloth/alcantara seats since leather is standard on the 550i? It always depends on the country and local BMW marketing, so it's best to check locally or on your local website configurator. In the UK leather is standard on all F10s but you can specify Alcantara/fabric as pictured above (it's cheaper than leather but there is no refund in the UK) . In other countries there may be an upgrade cost for leather, which should be cheaper than a full priced cloth for a leather upgrade (worth Ј300/$500 Normally). BTW - The seats are the same, normal sport seat, no matter what covers you specify. The seats are not special M-Sport seats, they are standard sports seats, however the Alcantara/Cloth covers are unique to the M-Sport package. If you opt for the comfort seat, you must have leather. Be careful, as leather is a must when you resell the car and even more so on larger engine models. Alcanatra/Cloth would fit on a 520d but not a 550i, anything over 535 should be leather IMHO..
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| kamron (747hp) | Quote: Originally published by kplsoleil Does the M-sport seat come with the M-sport pack? The September 2010 update bulletin does not mention that the seat is part of the package? -- NEWSLETTER: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=408469 I hope so, I love how pretty it looks.
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| fullback (967hp) | Hi, can anyone tell me if the m-sport velor seats are the same as normal sports seats? Are they available in leather? Does anyone have any other photos of the interior of the m-sport as I can't decide between the two? Finally, would cinnamon leather go with a white car? greetings Andy
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| 17011701 (467hp) | The sports seats and sports seats with the m-sport package have the same shape, but the m-sport seats have an upholstery in shadow gray fabric/anthracite alcantara. And yes, you can order leather instead of the shadow gray fabric/charcoal alcantara upholstery..
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| gangster3 (794hp) | Quote: Posted by w4hsa Hello, can anyone tell me if the M-Sport velor seats are the same as normal sports seats? Are they available in leather? Does anyone have any other photos of the interior of the m-sport as I can't decide between the two? Finally, would cinnamon leather go with a white car? Regards Andy Yes, the same sports seats and you can upgrade to leather. BTW, these are half Alcantara (faux suede) exteriors with cloth interiors. All the best photos are already here http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=403526. Very high resolution photo HERE
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| nassima (753hp) | As an architect, I am very opinionated. Cinnamon definitely looks better with metallic black or black saphite and less well with white..
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| mosport70 (732hp) | Cinnamon & white, just like cornflakes + milk! Beautiful!
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| 11111d (168hp) | Quote: Posted by pharding As an architect, I am very opinionated. Cinnamon definitely looks better with metallic black saphite or black and less well with white. Sorry, but I have to agree with Bernpep...white and brown are much better than black and brown..
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| latvia (664hp) | Does the M-sport seat come with the M-sport pack? The September 2010 update bulletin does not mention that the seat is part of the package? -- NEWSLETTER: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=408469 I hope so, I love how it looks
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| nataly (507hp) | Quote: Originally published by kplsoleil Does the M-sport seat come with the M-sport pack? The September 2010 update bulletin does not mention that the seat is part of the package? -- NEWSLETTER: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=408469 I hope so, I love how it looks. Yes, it is
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| jughead (676hp) | Does anyone have any pictures of a white car with a brown interior ??
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| adidas88 (658hp) | Quote: Originally published by kplsoleil Does the M-sport seat come with the M-sport pack? The September 2010 update bulletin does not mention that the seat is part of the package? -- NEWSLETTER: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=408469 I hope so, I love how it looks Quote: Originally posted by carl_d Yes, it is The case In Europe yes, I'm not so sure about the US I assume the leather interior is standard in the US. carl_d, what if the 550i here in Europe gets the m-sport cloth/alcantara seats since leather is standard on the 550i?
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| nymets54 (191hp) | Quote: Originally posted by remmib In Europe yes, I'm not so sure about the US as I assume the leather interior is standard in the US. carl_d, do you know if the 550i here in Europe gets the m-sport cloth/alcantara seats since leather is standard on the 550i? It always depends on the country and local BMW marketing, so it's best to check locally or on your local website configurator. In the UK leather is standard on all F10s but you can specify Alcantara/fabric as pictured above (it's cheaper than leather but there is no refund in the UK) . In other countries there may be an upgrade cost for leather, which should be cheaper than a full priced cloth for a leather upgrade (worth Ј300/$500 Normally). BTW - The seats are the same, normal sport seat, no matter what covers you specify. The seats are not special M-Sport seats, they are standard sports seats, however the Alcantara/Cloth covers are unique to the M-Sport package. If you opt for the comfort seat, you must have leather. Be careful, as leather is a must when you resell the car and even more so on larger engine models. Alcanatra/Cloth would fit on a 520d but not a 550i, anything over 535 should be leather IMHO..
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| 01081987 (981hp) | Quote: Originally published by kplsoleil Does the M-sport seat come with the M-sport pack? The September 2010 update bulletin does not mention that the seat is part of the package? -- NEWSLETTER: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=408469 I hope so, I love how pretty it looks.
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| ninja11 (856hp) | Hello my dealer unknowingly stresses me out! I have an SE with the specs below on order for delivery September 6th. My dealer called me and said that for £12 a month more they could change the specification of the m-sport (delivery 2 weeks later)... I really can't decide... anyone's ideas BMW 525d Alpine White Black Dakota Leather Professional Multimedia navigation (with BMW Assist, BMW Assist online portal, voice control, Bluetooth + telematics) Dynamic package (sports seats, high-gloss Shadowline trim, 19-inch V-spoke, sports steering wheel, anthracite headliner) Rear seat entertainment Professional USB interface Heated seats iPhone 4 cradle (not available before September apparently) Wheel finish - BMW Tracker gloss black
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| lea123 (120hp) | I was in exactly the same situation as you, unsure between the SE and the M Sport. Ultimately, once the price of the M Sport was revealed, I opted for the M Sport as there was only a marginal price increase when the SE spec I chose was applied to the M Sport. The Alpine White M Sport photos look great, so for me it would be a no-brainer.
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| tylor (212hp) | Must be M-Sport to help after sale in the UK (that's why it's only £12/month more) Look at it this way. Imagine you are the 2nd potential owner in a few years, there are two used F10s in front of you at the dealership, an SE/DP and an M-Sport, which one do you choose? Bingo! Likewise, if you were buying a used E60 today, would you choose M-Sport or SE?
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| y12345 (70hp) | 12 the counterpart is cigarette money. Personally I would choose the Dynamic, but Carl is also right.
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| wildcats3 (372hp) | Hi, talked to the dealer again...some interesting info was coming As I have it on CPC, residual value is the key to keeping monthly payments low...if I go with the M-Sport , its value is higher at the end, so Ј12 HOWEVER I have to have leather seats, as if I opted for cloth its residual value drops by over £1,600 over the 4 years. I wish I was rich enough to have the 535i if I opted for the m-sport...something about those split exhausts. it just looks better
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| rainman14624 (761hp) | Does the 550 M Sport have round or rectangular tailpipes? Please say round!
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| steveo (254hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Grizzles Does the 550 M Sport have round or rectangular tailpipes? Please say round! Sorry... Rectangular
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| sassygirl1 (371hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Lukeswarm Sorry... Rectagonal, this is going to be one of the first mods for me
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| clipper (862hp) | Done... I changed it for a total difference per month of 11 Ј. I now have on order for delivery in OCTOBER a BMW 525d - 2011 M-Sport Alpine White Black Dakota Leather UPDATED 2011 Build - Professional Multimedia Nav (with BMW assist, BMW Assist Online Portal, voice control, Bluetooth + telematics) Rear seat entertainment professional New 2011 USB interface Heated seats iPhone 4 holder (not available until September apparently) Wheel finish - gloss black BMW Tracker EXCITED
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| 1country (837hp) | I recommend the stick.
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| katrinka (998hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Lukeswarm Hi, talked to the dealer again...some interesting info was coming As I have on CPC, residual value is the key to keeping monthly payments low... if I choose the M-Sport it's worth it more in the end, so €12 HOWEVER I have to have leather seats, as if I choose cloth its residual value drops over €1,600 on the 4 years. I wish I was rich enough to have the 535i if I chose the m-sport... something about those split exhausts just seems better. Strange thing to say for the dealer, as in UK leather standard on all F10s!!!! However, M-Sport residuals are normally better in the UK.
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| vanessa01 (687hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Lukeswarm Done... I edited it for a total difference per month of Ј11. I now have on order for delivery in OCTOBER a BMW 525d - 2011 M-Sport Alpine White Black Dakota Leather UPDATED 2011 Build - Professional Multimedia Nav (with BMW Assistance, BMW Assist online portal, voice control, Bluetooth + telematics ) Rear seat entertainment professional New 2011 USB interface Heated seats Support for iPhone 4 (not available until Sept apparently) Wheel finish - gloss black BMW Tracker EXCITED Nice one
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