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| ctht (190hp) | Looks good. After a few days of searching, I found a guy who makes custom tips in the 3.5" chrome finish I was looking for. They should be delivered today. I will upload some pictures and when I have installed them. The great thing about this is that the overall length is only 5.5 inches, which leaves more than enough room for manipulation.
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| shining (152hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gre8tw8LL Mine are a 3.7 and I think they fit perfectly. Oooooh, those are nice tips
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| 505505 (121hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gre8tw8LL Mine are a 3.7 and I think they fit perfectly. Where did you get yours? Do you have a link??
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| 15081991 (351hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Super6 Looks good. After a few days of searching, I found a guy who makes custom tips in the 3.5" chrome finish I was looking for. They should be delivered today. I will upload some pictures and when I have installed them. The great thing about this is that the overall length is only 5.5 inches, which leaves more than enough room for manipulation. Do you have a link where you got them??
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| parovoz (997hp) | Hey tips arrived today, here are a few pictures. I will most likely have them installed in early January. You will have a 2012 535xi without M-Sport. This means I have to cut off the bumper. I can't find a diffuser that I like that has vertical fins. The only options I see are Hamann and 3D.
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| 130582 (656hp) | 5.5inches deep, making them a great fit for a small playroom. 2.5" input to two 3.5" output. Just looking at these, there is still 2 inches of clearance between the muffler and the edge of the bumper to ensure a flush look.
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| peaches08 (86hp) | Pictures
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| zaqwer (140hp) | More pictures
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| cookie1234 (180hp) | Looks good, let us know how they fit.
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| mariaclara (449hp) | Looks great. Please post pictures after installation and tell us where you purchased it.
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| terrific (933hp) | Yes, please let us know where you ordered. I'll look for similar tips in a black finish.
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| pendragon (323hp) | Please show the installed images and other information
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| 260391 (345hp) | http://www.maxspeed-motorsports.com/...aust_Tips.html I ordered here. Tell them Will sent you. I made an appointment for installation this Saturday, December 28, 2013. So we'll see what happens next. So far, based on the measurements, it looks very promising. I'll upload before and after pictures when I'm back in town. These tips are made to fit a Porsche, it's just that the dimensions fit.
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| tricia1 (554hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Super6 http://www.maxspeed-motorsports.com/...aust_Tips.html I ordered here. Tell them Will sent you. I made an appointment for installation this Saturday, December 28, 2013. So we'll see what happens next. So far, based on the measurements, it looks very promising. I'll upload before and after pictures when I'm back in town. These tips are made to fit a Porsche, it's just that the dimensions fit. Wow, that's the list price these things cost????
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| monkey87 (118hp) | Wow, for this price it beats adding some horsepower
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| aprilia (905hp) | Quote: Originally posted by twelve535i Wow, for this price it beats adding some HP. LOL, yes, I know, right. To just look at it, it's a lot. But we'll see. One good thing: If they aren't damaged and don't have the quad look I'm looking for, he would take them back. At this point I would just do the full M-Tech bumper conversion and mufflers with real quad exhaust.
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| hawk12 (761hp) | Pictures from before and after.
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| 040991 (899hp) | ^They look great. Seems like a good alternative for those who don't want to switch to a quad exhaust. i.e. those with rental agreements..
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| stevo1 (784hp) | Damn, that looks really good, but the price of the tips is just a little hard to swallow. How was the installation? How long did it take and how much did it end up costing you? And more pictures would be great too.
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| kartoshka (41hp) | Tips About $400, labor to cut the bumper and weld the tips $345. It took about 6 hours (I had to wait). Now I'm new to VA so I haven't had much time to look for a better deal or recommendations and I'm very impatient. I seriously could have done this all myself. Also, $345 was way too high (I was probably charged that because I arrived in a BMW). It shouldn't have cost more than $200 and if at all it required a 2 hour job) I had to wait in line because the store was overbooked. But I'm happy with the end result, so I won't complain too much (it looks like an original product). However, I won't recommend them unless you simply have all day. The tips are also screwed on, I decided to weld them on. If I pay $400 for tips, they better not leave. The nice thing about this is that if you see the pictures there is still about 1.25 inches of pipe left from the muffler. The process is reversible if you wish.
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| vangelis (950hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 493263 Looking at 535 vs 550 there isn't much difference other than the unlimited thrust the 550 offers compared to the economy and performance compromises of the 535. Much better/nicely said than something in the way that you only buy a “cheap” 535 if you can’t afford the original. Sounded a little... er... biased in my opinion. In order not to derail the thread, let's stick with trying to help OP with good advice for and against both cars. It will be interesting to read his update on what he learned. But you can hardly go wrong with either car.
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| house12 (258hp) | Given these options, I would probably choose the new 535. CPO cars can be okay, but I'm a little picky about buying new - I don't know what the previous owner did to the car and that would annoy me a little. Also, the 550 (especially the pre-LCI N63 engine) isn't the most reliable. CPO may protect your wallet, but not your sanity if you visit the retailer a little too often. People often compare the 535 and 550 here (understandable) – but what you should buy should really depend on your values. If fuel economy is more important to you than performance, you should definitely buy the 535. It's got plenty of oomph and you'll get much better mileage. Although I don't like spending money on gas, the extra power was important to me. I drive on the highway a lot and it was important to me to be able to maneuver in and out of traffic more easily. With smaller windows it is possible to overtake someone, and you can get onto a crowded highway (with small openings) more confidently, etc. I'm not advocating bad driving here either! Both cars are heavy. The V8 is slightly heavier, but BOTH cars are too heavy for the standard suspension - so a sports suspension or DHP is a must. I prefer DHP because it's just a nice and flexible system. For example, today I drove for over 6 hours - it was an absolute pleasure. The suspension was set for comfort and the car drove effortlessly over most road surfaces both in the city and on the highway. However, if you click Sport, you can immediately enjoy the immediate benefits of a firmer sports suspension. Click on “Comfort+” and even cobblestone streets, like those often found in Boston or New York City, become much easier to navigate. But DHP is more than just adjustable dampers - Active Roll Stabilization (ARS) prevents the heavy car from leaning too much in corners, and I've found it works very well in spirited driving. I would say, at least with my driving style, the 535 would be sufficient 95% of the time. But for me it's the 5% that would frustrate me, being limited by the 6 cylinder... and while it may not be the best excuse to spend significantly more, both on the cost of the car and on the Gasoline price, it's a real pleasure to drive. The engine pulls very hard throughout the powerband and it will rarely leave you needing more. However, if they reduced the weight of the 5 to under 4,000 pounds, they would really have something incredible.
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| 1aaron (164hp) | You'll have a lot of fun with a 535 in everyday life... But you'll have fun with a 550. Quote: Originally posted by TheEngineer To be honest, the 550iX is more than adequate for everyday use. I felt the same way. When I looked at an M5, I felt the urge to buy it 550
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| nausicaa (501hp) | Wow. Thank you for all the answers. I think I'm leaning more towards a CPO 550. I'll keep everyone updated.
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| jessica88 (864hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 493263 Looking at 535 vs 550 there isn't much difference other than the unlimited thrust the 550 offers compared to the economy and performance compromises of the 535. Much better/nicely said than something in the way that you only buy a “cheap” 535 if you can’t afford the original. Sounded a little... er... biased in my opinion. In order not to derail the thread, let's stick with trying to help OP with good advice for and against both cars. It will be interesting to read his update on what he learned. But you can hardly go wrong with either car.
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| qwertasdfg (116hp) | Given these options, I would probably choose the new 535. CPO cars can be okay, but I'm a little picky about buying new - I don't know what the previous owner did to the car and that would annoy me a little. Also, the 550 (especially the pre-LCI N63 engine) isn't the most reliable. CPO may protect your wallet, but not your sanity if you visit the retailer a little too often. People often compare the 535 and 550 here (understandable) – but what you should buy should really depend on your values. If fuel economy is more important to you than performance, you should definitely buy the 535. It's got plenty of oomph and you'll get much better mileage. Although I don't like spending money on gas, the extra power was important to me. I drive on the highway a lot and it was important to me to be able to maneuver in and out of traffic more easily. With smaller windows it is possible to overtake someone, and you can get onto a crowded highway (with small openings) more confidently, etc. I'm not advocating bad driving here either! Both cars are heavy. The V8 is slightly heavier, but BOTH cars are too heavy for the standard suspension - so a sports suspension or DHP is a must. I prefer DHP because it's just a nice and flexible system. For example, today I drove for over 6 hours - it was an absolute pleasure. The suspension was set for comfort and the car drove effortlessly over most road surfaces both in the city and on the highway. However, if you click Sport, you can immediately enjoy the immediate benefits of a firmer sports suspension. Click on “Comfort+” and even cobblestone streets, like those often found in Boston or New York City, become much easier to navigate. But DHP is more than just adjustable dampers - Active Roll Stabilization (ARS) prevents the heavy car from leaning too much in corners, and I've found it works very well in spirited driving. I would say, at least with my driving style, the 535 would be sufficient 95% of the time. But for me it's the 5% that would frustrate me, being limited by the 6 cylinder... and while it may not be the best excuse to spend significantly more, both on the cost of the car and on the Gasoline price, it's a real pleasure to drive. The engine pulls very hard throughout the powerband and it will rarely leave you needing more. However, if they reduced the weight of the 5 to under 4,000 pounds, they would really have something incredible.
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| emilia (282hp) | You'll have a lot of fun with a 535 in everyday life... But you'll have fun with a 550. Quote: Originally posted by TheEngineer To be honest, the 550iX is more than adequate for everyday use. I felt the same way. When I looked at an M5, I felt the urge to buy it 550
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| pelusa1 (892hp) | Wow. Thank you for all the answers. I think I'm leaning more towards a CPO 550. I'll keep everyone updated.
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| duke07 (645hp) | I just wanted some input for you about diesel engines in your cars. I just got my first diesel car in May and I noticed something about my engine that I'm not sure if it's normal or not. For the record, I have a -12 M550d x-Drive, the 6 cylinder tri-turbo 3 liter diesel, with 29,000km on the clock. What I noticed is a moderate engine vibration when accelerating, especially in 7th and 8th gear. For lack of a better explanation, I would call it pre-stall vibrations. I've experienced similar, although much stronger, vibrations in regular fuel cars when driving very slowly in a high gear, almost stalling the engine. In my car these vibrations are not that strong, but I can feel them. This occurs at road speeds (50-60 km/h and above). When I start accelerating between 1,000 and 1,500 rpm, the vibrations are there well past 2,000 rpm. They are not present when I downshift first and increase the revs to around 2000 RPM before accelerating. I thought: 1. This is normal for diesel engines. 2. A software update could help. 3. Turbo problem 4. X-Drive problem (very unlikely) Any thoughts before I take it to the dealer?
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| 140575 (743hp) | I have the 3l diesel N57D30O1 with a turbo, 258 hp. No chip box, everything stock except the Supersprint quad exhaust which was fitted this year. The engine produces the typical diesel noise and slight vibrations when idling. But once I accelerate - I can barely hear it - the power and torque are absolutely smooth and strong from 1000rpm to 5500rpm. The transfer is smooth. No interruption or any noise. What you describe sounds like your engine stalling when your engine reaches a certain RPM under load, similar to how a gasoline engine and mechanical transmission do at low RPM and in the wrong gear. However, they have a 380 horsepower engine and an automatic transmission. Therefore, some engine parameters are abnormal. After 65,000 km in summer and winter, nothing like this can be seen with my diesel. Sounds like it's an air sensors/air intake issue or something wrong with the fuel delivery. Your car is under warranty, so the dealer must identify the problem, document it, and fix it for you at no charge. I wish you good luck with the quick solution! The car is great, you will enjoy it.
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| 08031980 (470hp) | Quote: Originally written by Valery.BMW I have the 3 liter diesel N57D30O1 with a turbo and 258 hp. The engine produces the diesel noise and some very small vibrations when idling. But as soon as I accelerate - I hardly hear it anymore - the power and torque are absolutely consistent from 1000 rpm to 5500 rpm. No interruption at all. What you describe sounds like your engine when it reaches a certain speed under load, similar to the petrol engine and mechanical transmission, it chokes at low speed and in the wrong gear. However, they have a 380 horsepower engine and an automatic transmission. Therefore, some engine parameters are abnormal. I confirm that there is nothing like this on my diesel for 65,000 km summer and winter. If it's not a problem with the air sensors, there may be something to do with the fuel ramp. The car is under warranty, so the dealer must document the problem and fix it free of charge. I wish you good luck with the quick solution. The car is great. Thanks, yes, you are right, it behaves as you describe, as if you were driving a petrol engine in too high a gear when accelerating. Mine only shakes a little but enough for me to notice, even at 1000rpm this engine has huge torque peaking at 740Nm at 2000rpm. I was planning on taking it to the dealer since I have a good relationship with them. I just wanted to know if this is something to expect with a turbo diesel as I've only had petrol cars in the past. Saves me from looking like an idiot when the dealer tells me it's completely natural.
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| 25061989 (737hp) | Well, you are the warranty holder for the car, and the dealer's duty is to satisfy you. I once gave my dealer a hard day when I was fixing the famous “pull to right” problem. To clarify the case, I took printed pictures and the dealer included them in the order file. Could be very helpful if you could provide a video and audio recording of what is troubling you. Have them specify the type of oil and diesel station you typically use. If you carry out the engine diagnosis on the test bench, everything should be visible.
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| killer18 (944hp) | Quote: Originally written by Valery.BMW Well, you are the warranty holder for the car, and the dealer's duty is to make you happy. I once gave my dealer a hard day when I was fixing the famous “pull to right” problem. To clarify the case, I took printed pictures and the dealer included them in the order file. Could be very helpful if you could provide a video and audio recording of what is troubling you. Have them specify the type of oil and diesel station you typically use. If you carry out the engine diagnosis on the test bench, everything should be visible. Since I know how to reproduce the problem, I think I'll just take a technician on a ride and show him the problem myself. This is a fairly small dealer that I have dealt with frequently in the past, so they know me fairly well. I'm not worried about them taking me seriously. The seller is someone I have known for years through the BMW Club and have bought several cars from him over the last 8 years. I guess I'll just have to go there and tell them what I found and take a demonstration drive, leave it, get a loaner car and they'll call me when the problem is fixed.
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| nermal (13hp) | What you describe can happen with any type of engine. Don't forget that you have enormous power (torque). So if you put it in a high gear below 1200 rpm, some power will be transferred to your engine. I have to point out one more thing: In my opinion, the tri-turbo runs quite smoothly compared to the single-turbo (530d) and twin-turbo (535d). I drive the 535d and find it much quieter than the 550d. I tested the 550d extensively, but I'm glad I chose the 535d.
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| 20031978 (900hp) | Quote: Originally written by Sjoerd. What you describe can happen with any type of engine. Don't forget that you have enormous power (torque). So if you put it in a high gear below 1200 rpm, some power will be transferred to your engine. I have to point out one more thing: In my opinion, the tri-turbo runs quite smoothly compared to the single-turbo (530d) and twin-turbo (535d). I drive the 535d and find it much quieter than the 550d. I tested the 550d extensively, but I'm glad I chose the 535d. I don't give full throttle, but sometimes just increase the throttle slightly. I especially notice this in 7th to 8th gear when I adjust the speed from 70 to 80 km/h or from 80 to 100 km/h. And not just at the beginning for a few seconds, but well over 2000 rpm. But as I said, if I downshift to 5th or 6th gear first, that doesn't happen. I know this can happen with any engine if you go slow enough or go up a steep enough incline in too high a gear. I just didn't expect that to happen when this motor makes simple speed corrections. This isn't a problem when driving sportily, but it bothers me in Eco mode.
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| guacamole (993hp) | I have exactly the same problem with my 535d xDrive 313 hp and 70,000 km. I bought it new in September 2012. Just recently in 6th, 7th and 8th gear under slight acceleration the engine sputtered, similar to stalling. Annoying vibration, similar to driving in the wrong gear at low speeds. Nothing on the steering wheel, just a feeling on my butt gauge, it's engine vibration or maybe the transfer case. I recently took the car in for service and had all the wheels balanced for this reason. Since it is still under warranty, they did a detailed inspection and road test and found that one of the engine dampers was worn out. The latest firmware (dated May 2014) but the problem still exists. I'll take it back for further inspection and perhaps replace the second damper. Let me know if you have any news
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| 060481 (942hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Arturo_spain I have exactly the same problem with my 535d xDrive 313 hp and 70,000 km. I bought it new in September 2012. Just recently in 6th, 7th and 8th gear under slight acceleration the engine sputtered, similar to stalling. Annoying vibration, similar to driving in the wrong gear at low speeds. Nothing on the steering wheel, just a feeling on my butt gauge, it's engine vibration or maybe the transfer case. I recently took the car in for service and had all the wheels balanced for this reason. Since it is still under warranty, they did a detailed inspection and road test and found that one of the engine dampers was worn out. The latest firmware (dated May 2014) but the problem still exists. I'll take it back for further inspection and perhaps replace the second damper. Let me know if you have any news. It sounds like we have the exact same problem. I'm taking my car to the dealer, but that won't be for another 2.5 weeks. Since I work in South Korea, I can't get it checked until I get back home. I'll update this thread once I get to the dealer.
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| 06091990 (173hp) | Update. My car is in the workshop. Coincidentally, the BMW dealer where I bought the car had an X-Drive roadshow campaign this week with a dozen demo cars, and one of the demo cars was a brand new M550xd Touring. So I took the car for a test drive. It doesn't vibrate as much when accelerating as my car does, so the dealer sent my car to a technician to take a look at it. Luckily my car is still under warranty so it won't cost me anything in either case. I'm flying back to Korea tomorrow so I just left the car with them so they have a month to fix the problem while I'm at work. They said similar symptoms had occurred when the X-Drive transfer case had problems on other vehicles, so it wasn't necessarily an engine problem. I'll update again when I know more, probably in a month or so.
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| adam18 (165hp) | Update from the BMW Shop. I just received an email update from the shop. They replaced the X-Drive junction box which resulted in some improvement, but they are not happy with the result and will continue troubleshooting next week. I'm really glad that in my country we have a 5 year guarantee, otherwise my wallet would have ended up in the ICU. The junction box cost $5,600 plus labor for the part alone and is still not repaired. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing cost around $10,000 before repairs.
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| annies (365hp) | Sounds typical of a dealer: They love replacing entire car parts without looking inside for a real reason. From your description it appears that the engine throttles occur under certain driving conditions. It looks like there is something wrong with the fuel pressure or air supply. While the dealer has started replacing the drivetrain, let's see how it all works. You're lucky your car is still under warranty. So the main concern is that your BMW will stay in the workshop longer and investigations are still being carried out.
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| 1babydoll (620hp) | The symptoms OP describes are identical to what my F10 528xi has suffered from since day one - and I've always put it down to the small N20 engine being simply too weak for this heavy car and working under load as long as the Turbo doesn't help enough (ie below 2000 rpm). I assumed that these vibrations during gentle acceleration in high gear from around 1200 rpm were just the result of an underpowered engine in an overly heavy car, and that was a source of my 528xi buyer's remorse. If I plan to exchange my car for another model with the True Bimmer I6 engine, this is exactly the problem! However, the OP's car has enormous power and, most importantly, enormous torque. So if both cars do this for the same reason, my theory that the N20 engine just doesn't match the F10 is no longer valid... Would/could it be the xDrive junction box after all?!!! Noggie – please keep us updated on the final edition. If your service finally finds out that there is nothing wrong with the engine and the source of the vibration is actually the xDrive drivetrain, please let us know. This could mean that if I push my dealer hard enough, I could have the full experience with my car improved !!!
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| hater1 (657hp) | Quote: Originally written by Valery.BMW Sounds typical of a dealer: they love replacing entire car parts without looking inside for a real reason. From your description it appears that the engine throttles occur under certain driving conditions. It looks like there is something wrong with the fuel pressure or air supply. While the dealer has started replacing the drivetrain, let's see how it all works. You're lucky your car is still under warranty. So the main concern is that your BMW will stay in the workshop longer and investigations are still being carried out. I think they started with the powertrain because they have seen this problem in the past with other models, after all Norway has real winters, so X-Drive models are very popular and probably make up more than half of the cars sold out of. Before I took the car to the shop I was actually leaning towards the variable turbo vanes. Two of my three turbos had variable impeller pitch and I thought that might be the cause of the problem. My job is rotational, so I'm gone four weeks at a time and give the shop four weeks to repair my car while I'm at work. So I'm a bit lucky there too. Quote: Originally posted by moldcad Noggie - please keep us updated on the final release. If your service finally finds out that there is nothing wrong with the engine and the source of the vibration is actually the xDrive drivetrain, please let us know. This could mean that if I push my dealer hard enough, I could have the full experience with my car improved!!! I will, that was kind of the whole idea of this thread, hopefully they can fix it and we can find a solution to this problem.
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| charlie77 (454hp) | A long shot, but could it be a faulty motor or sensor? A while ago my current car jerked when braking. It turned out that it was a defective exhaust gas sensor
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| nabil (754hp) | Quote: Originally written by WillieMaykit. This is a long shot, but could it be a bad motor or sensor? A while ago my current car jerked when braking. It turned out that it was a defective exhaust gas sensor. I'm in South Korea and my car has been in the shop for almost two weeks now, and since I don't get home for another 2.5 weeks, they have some time to figure it out. I expect the issue will be resolved when I return and I will post the solution here for future reference.
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| liyana (826hp) | I have the same problem with my 550XI, only in 8th gear and after the engine is warm. I hope there is a solution because otherwise it's a great car
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| marky (802hp) | Since I'm about to head home and the car has been in the workshop for four weeks now, I simply asked if my car would be ready for pickup on Friday morning. The answer was that the car was ready. You have replaced the X-Drive junction box and are now replacing the diesel injectors. I'll update again when I get home and pick up the car.
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| zavalder (888hp) | I received another update from the shop. They now claim the car is fine, they replaced the X-Drive junction box and diesel injectors. However, they said they opened parts of my engine and there was a lot of soot built up in there. I bought the car in May and have only driven 1,500 km since then. So it must have come from the previous owner because the test drives I gave to my friends shouldn't have resulted in soot forming in my engine. They told me not to use Eco-Pro mode but to use Sport mode and take the car for a long sport drive under load to clean the engine. I'll update once I pick up the car and take it for a drive.
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| marilynmanson (664hp) | Quote: Originally written by Noggie Received another update from the shop. They now claim the car is fine, they replaced the X-Drive junction box and diesel injectors. However, they said they opened parts of my engine and there was a lot of soot built up in there. I bought the car in May and have only driven 1,500 km since then. So it must have come from the previous owner because the test drives I gave to my friends shouldn't have resulted in soot forming in my engine. They told me not to use Eco-Pro mode but to use Sport mode and take the car for a long sport drive under load to clean the engine. I'll update once I pick up the car and take it for a drive. Interesting finds from the garage. What is the car typically used for, lots of decent driving (with a hot engine)? Just a thought: what diesel are you using? I would use a premium diesel with a decent additive package. Do you have anything like BP Ultimate or Shell V-Power that we get in the UK? HighlandPete
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| gingersnap (71hp) | This is actually what I'm experiencing right now. Valve body. http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8648728
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| 199107 (516hp) | Although no one can deny the likelihood of the diesel engine carbonizing due to constantly running at low speeds or the injectors being dirty with bad fuel (fuel wax), etc., compared to the gasoline V8 used in a big city, it is still very unlikely. This was my main consideration when I decided to try the BMW diesel and, apart from some juniors' irony about the quiet exhaust (although I believe this is an advantage), I have never regretted that decision. I commute with my 530d (258 hp) in the city of 16 million, the 2-year statistics are from today: 63916 km at an average speed of 25.3 km/h, fuel consumption in the city increased to 11.5 l /km (versus the highway of 5.8). l/km): The engine, including injectors and all the trimmings, is absolutely perfect in all speed ranges, both in relaxed mode and in DTS/DSC mode at full throttle. For the current conditions the car is simply great, also because of the xDrive. The distance covered, with refueling at the branded gas station and timely oil/filter service, seems to be sufficient to draw well-founded conclusions about urban use. Anyway, cleaning the injectors on the M550d (even with combustion catalytic converter) and using a high quality diesel is always a good thing, I wish that would solve the problem discussed.
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| chapin1 (365hp) | I just wanted some input for you about diesel engines in your cars. I just got my first diesel car in May and I noticed something about my engine that I'm not sure if it's normal or not. For the record, I have a -12 M550d x-Drive, the 6 cylinder tri-turbo 3 liter diesel, with 29,000km on the clock. What I noticed is a moderate engine vibration when accelerating, especially in 7th and 8th gear. For lack of a better explanation, I would call it pre-stall vibrations. I've experienced similar, although much stronger, vibrations in regular fuel cars when driving very slowly in a high gear, almost stalling the engine. In my car these vibrations are not that strong, but I can feel them. This occurs at road speeds (50-60 km/h and above). When I start accelerating between 1,000 and 1,500 rpm, the vibrations are there well past 2,000 rpm. They are not present when I downshift first and increase the revs to around 2000 RPM before accelerating. I thought: 1. This is normal for diesel engines. 2. A software update could help. 3. Turbo problem 4. X-Drive problem (very unlikely) Any thoughts before I take it to the dealer?
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| raysspl (117hp) | I have the 3l diesel N57D30O1 with a turbo, 258 hp. No chip box, everything stock except the Supersprint quad exhaust which was fitted this year. The engine produces the typical diesel noise and slight vibrations when idling. But once I accelerate - I can barely hear it - the power and torque are absolutely smooth and strong from 1000rpm to 5500rpm. The transfer is smooth. No interruption or any noise. What you describe sounds like your engine stalling when your engine reaches a certain RPM under load, similar to how a gasoline engine and mechanical transmission do at low RPM and in the wrong gear. However, they have a 380 horsepower engine and an automatic transmission. Therefore, some engine parameters are abnormal. After 65,000 km in summer and winter, nothing like this can be seen with my diesel. Sounds like it's an air sensors/air intake issue or something wrong with the fuel delivery. Your car is under warranty, so the dealer must identify the problem, document it, and fix it for you at no charge. I wish you good luck with the quick solution! The car is great, you will enjoy it.
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| 08111987 (863hp) | Quote: Originally written by Valery.BMW I have the 3 liter diesel N57D30O1 with a turbo and 258 hp. The engine produces the diesel noise and some very small vibrations when idling. But as soon as I accelerate - I hardly hear it anymore - the power and torque are absolutely consistent from 1000 rpm to 5500 rpm. No interruption at all. What you describe sounds like your engine when it reaches a certain speed under load, similar to the petrol engine and mechanical transmission, it chokes at low speed and in the wrong gear. However, they have a 380 horsepower engine and an automatic transmission. Therefore, some engine parameters are abnormal. I confirm that there is nothing like this on my diesel for 65,000 km summer and winter. If it's not a problem with the air sensors, there may be something to do with the fuel ramp. The car is under warranty, so the dealer must document the problem and fix it free of charge. I wish you good luck with the quick solution. The car is great. Thanks, yes, you are right, it behaves as you describe, as if you were driving a petrol engine in too high a gear when accelerating. Mine only shakes a little but enough for me to notice, even at 1000rpm this engine has huge torque peaking at 740Nm at 2000rpm. I was planning on taking it to the dealer since I have a good relationship with them. I just wanted to know if this is something to expect with a turbo diesel as I've only had petrol cars in the past. Saves me from looking like an idiot when the dealer tells me it's completely natural.
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| 22081990 (493hp) | Well, you are the warranty holder for the car, and the dealer's duty is to satisfy you. I once gave my dealer a hard day when I was fixing the famous “pull to right” problem. To clarify the case, I took printed pictures and the dealer included them in the order file. Could be very helpful if you could provide a video and audio recording of what is troubling you. Have them specify the type of oil and diesel station you typically use. If you carry out the engine diagnosis on the test bench, everything should be visible.
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| chunfu (234hp) | Quote: Originally written by Valery.BMW Well, you are the warranty holder for the car, and the dealer's duty is to make you happy. I once gave my dealer a hard day when I was fixing the famous “pull to right” problem. To clarify the case, I took printed pictures and the dealer included them in the order file. Could be very helpful if you could provide a video and audio recording of what is troubling you. Have them specify the type of oil and diesel station you typically use. If you carry out the engine diagnosis on the test bench, everything should be visible. Since I know how to reproduce the problem, I think I'll just take a technician on a ride and show him the problem myself. This is a fairly small dealer that I have dealt with frequently in the past, so they know me fairly well. I'm not worried about them taking me seriously. The seller is someone I have known for years through the BMW Club and have bought several cars from him over the last 8 years. I guess I'll just have to go there and tell them what I found and take a demonstration drive, leave it, get a loaner car and they'll call me when the problem is fixed.
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| sidorow64 (78hp) | What you describe can happen with any type of engine. Don't forget that you have enormous power (torque). So if you put it in a high gear below 1200 rpm, some power will be transferred to your engine. I have to point out one more thing: In my opinion, the tri-turbo runs quite smoothly compared to the single-turbo (530d) and twin-turbo (535d). I drive the 535d and find it much quieter than the 550d. I tested the 550d extensively, but I'm glad I chose the 535d.
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| brk808 (514hp) | Quote: Originally written by Sjoerd. What you describe can happen with any type of engine. Don't forget that you have enormous power (torque). So if you put it in a high gear below 1200 rpm, some power will be transferred to your engine. I have to point out one more thing: In my opinion, the tri-turbo runs quite smoothly compared to the single-turbo (530d) and twin-turbo (535d). I drive the 535d and find it much quieter than the 550d. I tested the 550d extensively, but I'm glad I chose the 535d. I don't give full throttle, but sometimes just increase the throttle slightly. I especially notice this in 7th to 8th gear when I adjust the speed from 70 to 80 km/h or from 80 to 100 km/h. And not just at the beginning for a few seconds, but well over 2000 rpm. But as I said, if I downshift to 5th or 6th gear first, that doesn't happen. I know this can happen with any engine if you go slow enough or go up a steep enough incline in too high a gear. I just didn't expect that to happen when this motor makes simple speed corrections. This isn't a problem when driving sportily, but it bothers me in Eco mode.
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| bigman12 (792hp) | I have exactly the same problem with my 535d xDrive 313 hp and 70,000 km. I bought it new in September 2012. Just recently in 6th, 7th and 8th gear under slight acceleration the engine sputtered, similar to stalling. Annoying vibration, similar to driving in the wrong gear at low speeds. Nothing on the steering wheel, just a feeling on my butt gauge, it's engine vibration or maybe the transfer case. I recently took the car in for service and had all the wheels balanced for this reason. Since it is still under warranty, they did a detailed inspection and road test and found that one of the engine dampers was worn out. The latest firmware (dated May 2014) but the problem still exists. I'll take it back for further inspection and perhaps replace the second damper. Let me know if you have any news
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| 180993 (225hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Arturo_spain I have exactly the same problem with my 535d xDrive 313 hp and 70,000 km. I bought it new in September 2012. Just recently in 6th, 7th and 8th gear under slight acceleration the engine sputtered, similar to stalling. Annoying vibration, similar to driving in the wrong gear at low speeds. Nothing on the steering wheel, just a feeling on my butt gauge, it's engine vibration or maybe the transfer case. I recently took the car in for service and had all the wheels balanced for this reason. Since it is still under warranty, they did a detailed inspection and road test and found that one of the engine dampers was worn out. The latest firmware (dated May 2014) but the problem still exists. I'll take it back for further inspection and perhaps replace the second damper. Let me know if you have any news. It sounds like we have the exact same problem. I'm taking my car to the dealer, but that won't be for another 2.5 weeks. Since I work in South Korea, I can't get it checked until I get back home. I'll update this thread once I get to the dealer.
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| deepali (389hp) | Update. My car is in the workshop. Coincidentally, the BMW dealer where I bought the car had an X-Drive roadshow campaign this week with a dozen demo cars, and one of the demo cars was a brand new M550xd Touring. So I took the car for a test drive. It doesn't vibrate as much when accelerating as my car does, so the dealer sent my car to a technician to take a look at it. Luckily my car is still under warranty so it won't cost me anything in either case. I'm flying back to Korea tomorrow so I just left the car with them so they have a month to fix the problem while I'm at work. They said similar symptoms had occurred when the X-Drive transfer case had problems on other vehicles, so it wasn't necessarily an engine problem. I'll update again when I know more, probably in a month or so.
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| loklok (760hp) | Update from the BMW Shop. I just received an email update from the shop. They replaced the X-Drive junction box which resulted in some improvement, but they are not happy with the result and will continue troubleshooting next week. I'm really glad that in my country we have a 5 year guarantee, otherwise my wallet would have ended up in the ICU. The junction box cost $5,600 plus labor for the part alone and is still not repaired. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing cost around $10,000 before repairs.
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| mamabear (222hp) | Sounds typical of a dealer: They love replacing entire car parts without looking inside for a real reason. From your description it appears that the engine throttles occur under certain driving conditions. It looks like there is something wrong with the fuel pressure or air supply. While the dealer has started replacing the drivetrain, let's see how it all works. You're lucky your car is still under warranty. So the main concern is that your BMW will stay in the workshop longer and investigations are still being carried out.
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| 020183 (69hp) | The symptoms OP describes are identical to what my F10 528xi has suffered from since day one - and I've always put it down to the small N20 engine being simply too weak for this heavy car and working under load as long as the Turbo doesn't help enough (ie below 2000 rpm). I assumed that these vibrations during gentle acceleration in high gear from around 1200 rpm were just the result of an underpowered engine in an overly heavy car, and that was a source of my 528xi buyer's remorse. If I plan to exchange my car for another model with the True Bimmer I6 engine, this is exactly the problem! However, the OP's car has enormous power and, most importantly, enormous torque. So if both cars do this for the same reason, my theory that the N20 engine just doesn't match the F10 is no longer valid... Would/could it be the xDrive junction box after all?!!! Noggie – please keep us updated on the final edition. If your service finally finds out that there is nothing wrong with the engine and the source of the vibration is actually the xDrive drivetrain, please let us know. This could mean that if I push my dealer hard enough, I could have the full experience with my car improved !!!
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| ben10 (788hp) | Quote: Originally written by Valery.BMW Sounds typical of a dealer: they love replacing entire car parts without looking inside for a real reason. From your description it appears that the engine throttles occur under certain driving conditions. It looks like there is something wrong with the fuel pressure or air supply. While the dealer has started replacing the drivetrain, let's see how it all works. You're lucky your car is still under warranty. So the main concern is that your BMW will stay in the workshop longer and investigations are still being carried out. I think they started with the powertrain because they have seen this problem in the past with other models, after all Norway has real winters, so X-Drive models are very popular and probably make up more than half of the cars sold out of. Before I took the car to the shop I was actually leaning towards the variable turbo vanes. Two of my three turbos had variable impeller pitch and I thought that might be the cause of the problem. My job is rotational, so I'm gone four weeks at a time and give the shop four weeks to repair my car while I'm at work. So I'm a bit lucky there too. Quote: Originally posted by moldcad Noggie - please keep us updated on the final release. If your service finally finds out that there is nothing wrong with the engine and the source of the vibration is actually the xDrive drivetrain, please let us know. This could mean that if I push my dealer hard enough, I could have the full experience with my car improved!!! I will, that was kind of the whole idea of this thread, hopefully they can fix it and we can find a solution to this problem.
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| purzel (816hp) | A long shot, but could it be a faulty motor or sensor? A while ago my current car jerked when braking. It turned out that it was a defective exhaust gas sensor
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| worker1 (90hp) | Quote: Originally written by WillieMaykit. This is a long shot, but could it be a bad motor or sensor? A while ago my current car jerked when braking. It turned out that it was a defective exhaust gas sensor. I'm in South Korea and my car has been in the shop for almost two weeks now, and since I don't get home for another 2.5 weeks, they have some time to figure it out. I expect the issue will be resolved when I return and I will post the solution here for future reference.
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| 26071984 (238hp) | I have the same problem with my 550XI, only in 8th gear and after the engine is warm. I hope there is a solution because otherwise it's a great car
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| bacp (289hp) | Since I'm about to head home and the car has been in the workshop for four weeks now, I simply asked if my car would be ready for pickup on Friday morning. The answer was that the car was ready. You have replaced the X-Drive junction box and are now replacing the diesel injectors. I'll update again when I get home and pick up the car.
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| testing (744hp) | I received another update from the shop. They now claim the car is fine, they have replaced the X-Drive junction box and diesel injectors. However, they said they opened parts of my engine and there was a lot of soot built up in there. I bought the car in May and have only driven 1,500 km since then. So it must have come from the previous owner because the test drives I gave to my friends shouldn't have resulted in soot forming in my engine. They told me not to use Eco-Pro mode but to use Sport mode and take the car for a long sport drive under load to clean the engine. I'll update once I pick up the car and take it for a drive.
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| 300677 (741hp) | Quote: Originally written by Noggie Received another update from the shop. They now claim the car is fine, they replaced the X-Drive junction box and diesel injectors. However, they said they opened parts of my engine and there was a lot of soot built up in there. I bought the car in May and have only driven 1,500 km since then. So it must have come from the previous owner because the test drives I gave to my friends shouldn't have resulted in soot forming in my engine. They told me not to use Eco-Pro mode but to use Sport mode and take the car for a long sport drive under load to clean the engine. I'll update once I pick up the car and take it for a drive. Interesting finds from the garage. What is the car typically used for, lots of decent driving (with a hot engine)? Just a thought: what diesel are you using? I would use a premium diesel with a decent additive package. Do you have anything like BP Ultimate or Shell V-Power that we get in the UK? HighlandPete
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| ryan2000 (964hp) | This is actually what I'm experiencing right now. Valve body. http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8648728
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| horses! (297hp) | Although no one can deny the likelihood of the diesel engine carbonizing due to constantly running at low speeds or the injectors being dirty with bad fuel (fuel wax), etc., compared to the gasoline V8 used in a big city, it is still very unlikely. This was my main consideration when I decided to try the BMW diesel and, apart from some juniors' irony about the quiet exhaust (although I believe this is an advantage), I have never regretted that decision. I commute with my 530d (258 hp) in the city of 16 million, the 2-year statistics are from today: 63916 km at an average speed of 25.3 km/h, fuel consumption in the city increased to 11.5 l /km (versus the highway of 5.8). l/km): The engine, including injectors and all the trimmings, is absolutely perfect in all speed ranges, both in relaxed mode and in DTS/DSC mode at full throttle. For the current conditions the car is simply great, also because of the xDrive. The distance covered, with refueling at the branded gas station and timely oil/filter service, seems to be sufficient to draw well-founded conclusions about urban use. Anyway, cleaning the injectors on the M550d (even with combustion catalytic converter) and using a high quality diesel is always a good thing, I wish that would solve the problem discussed.
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| leeann1 (923hp) | It appears that there is a rule among dealers to never lease a 535 for less than $700 per month. even if the lease calculator says it should be $500. I don't understand how the calculations on their lease sheet never add up or always add up to more than $700. This happened on three different cars at three dealers.
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| Atl550 (241hp) | I just received the same offer on a 2014 550i from Beverly Hills BMW. The MSRP was $79,000 and the retail price was $66,000. The monthly amount is 650 including LA county tax. My 1st BMW couldn't be happier.
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| 123789a (68hp) | Damn, these deals are depressing. I'm paying over $900 for my 2012 550i M Sport lease, but mostly because I hit something upside down in my E92 M3 and the frame was damaged. My lease expires in 7 months and I can't wait. I love the car but not the payments.
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| cheese5 (346hp) | Does anyone know of a place on Long Island with rates like this??
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| babygurl08 (801hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Roadkiller Damn, these deals are depressing. I'm paying over $900 for my 2012 550i M Sport lease, but mostly because my E92 M3 was a little upside down and the frame was damaged. My lease expires in 7 months and I can't wait. I love the car but not the payments. You can submit your lease six months in advance, but you're not sure if another MY14 550i is available.
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| princess29 (482hp) | I got one a week ago for a similar price. $595/month + taxes. with a total trip of $2500. RRP: 76,5.000 $
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| 19271927 (87hp) | Quote: Originally posted by zer0cool I think this is a case where all the stars aligned and the deal ends at a loss for the dealer because they have to get rid of the last of my previous cars. It's an amazing offer that I would certainly predict <.1% of all 5 Series leaseholders could receive. Congratulations and either enjoy the car for three years, or you can probably easily upgrade if you get tired of it sooner. Overall, I think anything under 800 rpm for a 550i is a great deal. To a certain extent you're right, it takes a bit of legwork and luck. Quote: Originally written by mundo74 Good insight. Thanks. I just sold my 2012 550i back to my dealer and was able to get a 2014 650ix with 300 miles on the odometer for basically $12,000 off the sticker, plus most of my modifications stripped the 550i back at delivery [that was important], which I did. I was able to resell it here and get enough to cover my discount with BMW CCA discount also amounts to approximately $16,000. The monthly payment only increased by about $65/month for the same duration as the 550i. The key was that I was ready to buy at the time and they had a car in stock that they wanted to take (the production date was September 2013 and the port date was November 2013, so it was almost a year old car) as they owned that The last 650ix Gran Coupe from 2014 is also in the parking lot. Of note: 4 2015 650ix Gran Coupes showed up on the lot about 1-2 weeks after I signed the contract when I returned for an oil change and service at dealer expense. So they had 2015 inventory in inventory and needed to move 2014 inventory so they were ready to trade even if it meant a loss on the 650ix GC. So they are available for all models. Last time I checked there was also a 2014 550i in the parking lot. You just have to look for it and be willing to take what is available to you. (That said, the color I got wasn't my first choice, nor was the interior, but both were acceptable).
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| stacee (365hp) | It appears that there is a rule among dealers to never lease a 535 for less than $700 per month. even if the lease calculator says it should be $500. I don't understand how the calculations on their lease sheet never add up or always add up to more than $700. This happened on three different cars at three dealers.
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| shellie (753hp) | I just received the same offer on a 2014 550i from Beverly Hills BMW. The MSRP was $79,000 and the retail price was $66,000. The monthly amount is 650 including LA county tax. My 1st BMW couldn't be happier.
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| defense (867hp) | Damn, these deals are depressing. I'm paying over $900 for my 2012 550i M Sport lease, but mostly because I hit something upside down in my E92 M3 and the frame was damaged. My lease expires in 7 months and I can't wait. I love the car but not the payments.
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| 11031989 (406hp) | Does anyone know of a place on Long Island with rates like this??
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| angel420 (169hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Roadkiller Damn, these deals are depressing. I'm paying over $900 for my 2012 550i M Sport lease, but mostly because I hit something upside down in my E92 M3 and the frame was damaged. My lease expires in 7 months and I can't wait. I love the car but not the payments. You can submit your lease six months in advance, but you're not sure if another MY14 550i is available.
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| gators2 (130hp) | I got one a week ago for a similar price. $595/month + taxes. with a total trip of $2500. RRP: 76,5.000 $
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| braydon (96hp) | Quote: Originally posted by zer0cool I think this is a case where all the stars aligned and the deal ends at a loss for the dealer because they have to get rid of the last of my previous cars. It's an amazing offer that I would certainly predict <.1% of all 5 Series leaseholders could receive. Congratulations and either enjoy the car for three years, or you can probably easily upgrade if you get tired of it sooner. Overall, I think anything under 800 rpm for a 550i is a great deal. To a certain extent you're right, it takes a bit of legwork and luck. Quote: Originally written by mundo74 Good insight. Thanks. I just sold my 2012 550i back to my dealer and was able to get a 2014 650ix with 300 miles on the odometer for basically $12,000 off the sticker, plus most of my modifications stripped the 550i back at delivery [that was important], which I did. I was able to resell it here and get enough to cover my discount with BMW CCA discount also amounts to approximately $16,000. The monthly payment only increased by about $65/month for the same duration as the 550i. The key was that I was ready to buy at the time and they had a car in stock that they wanted to take (the production date was September 2013 and the port date was November 2013, so it was almost a year old car) as they owned that The last 650ix Gran Coupe from 2014 is also in the parking lot. Of note: 4 2015 650ix Gran Coupes showed up on the lot about 1-2 weeks after I signed the contract when I returned for an oil change and service at dealer expense. So they had 2015 inventory in inventory and needed to move 2014 inventory so they were ready to trade even if it meant a loss on the 650ix GC. So they are available for all models. Last time I checked there was also a 2014 550i in the parking lot. You just have to look for it and be willing to take what is available to you. (That said, the color I got wasn't my first choice, nor was the interior, but both were acceptable).
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| 753214 (360hp) | First of all, I already miss my car! Oil change, rear brake pad replacement and Vanos screw recall? Whom they gave me a loaner, and boy, I don't like it! I was a little nervous at first when the service advisor told me what my loaner would be since we originally chose the 3 Series. All I could say is: Wow... Do all diesels sound like that? It sounds like the car needs a valve adjustment! A bit like my mother's old '85 Volvo. When I put the car in sport mode the car sounds even louder when I'm driving on the ground! I couldn't believe how terrible the engine sounded as I raced through the gears! Last thing, and maybe it's just me, but when you stop, the car's engine literally quits. I never thought it would do that, so my son and I thought: WTF LOL? Anyway...just my opinion, but I just don't like the diesel versions. Maybe there was something wrong with the car, but please get in touch.
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| 24071988 (93hp) | Diesel engines are all louder than petrol engines - due to their design. They have become significantly quieter over the years, but are still not acceptable to me. Unfortunately, the rattling you mentioned is not a problem with the engine, but simply a characteristic. Start-stop technology is also included in all new BMW models in the series. There is a small button under the start/stop button to turn it off. Mine is permanently disabled.
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| marlin1 (343hp) | Not shutting down the diesel engines is just not my thing. The rattling makes me feel like some screws have come loose on the engines, lol! As for the stop-start function, I feel like I'll be holding up traffic because the car might not start. Maybe it's because it's a diesel, but the car shakes or jerks when you step on the accelerator while driving... not a smooth transition.
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| taproom (969hp) | Quote: Originally written by lsturbointeg. Not shutting down the diesel engines is just not my thing. The rattling makes me feel like some screws have come loose on the engines, lol! As for the stop-start function, I feel like I'll be holding up traffic because the car might not start. Maybe it's because it's a diesel, but the car shakes or jerks when you step on the accelerator while driving... not a smooth transition. I'm also not a fan of diesel engines for the same reasons: a bit too loud a clatter and a lack of feel and sound. Low-end torque is good, but the lack of redline isn't great. The start/stop function is a gimmick for me. I've read a few studies that have refuted its value, suggesting that its real value is in helping BMW get a few extra points in European emissions tests, rather than actually helping owners save money. But that's a whole other debate for a different thread. Like I said, I just beat it. If you have a 2014 or newer model, it will remember the selection, at least on the 5 Series. And the abrupt beginning is unfortunately part of the game. The engine actually starts in a split second, but I'm not keen on every little delay - or the vibration. It just reminds me that I put extra wear and tear on my battery, starter motor and almost every mechanical part of the engine at every stoplight to save a few cents on gas.
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| buster33 (646hp) | The 4-cylinder diesel in the 328d isn't a good example of how good the best modern diesel engines have become. This particular engine is not particularly smooth or refined. The 6-cylinder in the 535d is a gem. Extremely smooth, quiet, refined and with an enormous boost of torque from just 1000 rpm. I would always prefer it to the inline six-cylinder Petro in the 535i. I've had this Petro 6 in several of my recent cars, and while it's a world class engine, I've never found it to be quite as good as the non-turbo 6...faster, yes...sweeter, er, NO. The BMW 535d is great.
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| hottie20 (371hp) | Quote: Originally written by ezmaass Diesel engines are all louder than gasoline engines - simply due to their design. I agree, but also most 3 Series models are louder than most 5 Series models (from the driver's seat), again simply by design. The sound insulation in the cabin of the 5 Series is absolutely exceptional, which must be taken into account when assessing the noise level of the 3 Series diesel engine. Yes, diesels are louder and I understand that's not for everyone, that's completely normal, but they've come a long way. The 535d's numbers are pretty impressive, and if someone isn't looking for pure performance numbers, I think it's a pretty nice vehicle. Even in the long run, the savings at the pump are significant, and while this may not be the most important factor for most owners, places outside of North America pay through the pumps and wouldn't dream of having gas engines (inline six or thirsty V8 - ( I'm talking about the average car buyer here, not the wealthy car enthusiast who will always be an exception). Again, I understand it's not for everyone, but diesels have an exceptionally bad reputation in North America and I personally have never fully understood that. On the other hand, the 5 Series is such a well-balanced car that many smaller rental cars (with or without diesel) cannot keep up. My first impression of the X1 that I received wasn't exactly positive (understatement of the year). BUT....after spending almost a full week with it, it's clear that it can't compete with 5, but it still drove better than many other cars out there, regardless (I figured you have to dig deeper) You could tell it was a BMW car in terms of engine and handling and towered above the rest in a similar category. My point here: If you own a 5 Series, you're in for a bit of a treat. A lot of what's out there will, at first glance, feel a lot less like a car than it actually is. Sure, some of it is diesel in this case, but it's also a 3 Series, great car, just not as sophisticated in terms of design.
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| 12361236 (354hp) | On the -15, BMW has an updated diesel 4-cylinder engine. I listened to both at the same time and the new one is much quieter, you can still hear that it's a diesel but compared to the -14 this one is about twice as loud. At start-stop. The engine starts when you release the brake or when you stand still for a long time. I thought it had a separate power supply and didn't use the battery for that, but I'm not sure. I tend to turn mine off like Ezmaass. I love my diesel 5, but next time I might switch to a petrol one because it has a screaming, high-revving engine that a diesel never can.
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| 199207 (445hp) | You're right! My 5er spoiled me! I finally picked it up from the dealer. They gave me a $50 credit for the accessories department, so I ended up getting some sparkly valve stem caps and a trailer guard. Pretty nice of them to do that! What kind of problem is this? They pointed out a bubble on the RFT sidewall of the driver's side front tire. They quoted me $530 for the tire installed....wow!
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| frog12 (185hp) | Quote: Originally written by Noggie. On the -15, BMW has an updated diesel 4-cylinder engine. I listened to both at the same time and the new one is much quieter, you can still hear that it's a diesel but compared to the -14 this one is about twice as loud. At start-stop. The engine starts when you release the brake or when you stand still for a long time. I thought it had a separate power supply and didn't use the battery for that, but I'm not sure. I tend to turn mine off like Ezmaass. I love my diesel 5, but next time I might switch to a petrol because it has a screaming, high-revving engine that a diesel never can. Good to know about the 14 vs 15. I think diesel engines have come such a long way and obviously a lot of money is being put into alternative fuels, engines etc, all in a race to produce the most efficient cars. Yes, but the high speed of gasoline engines is addictive. I rarely take my 550 to redline, but it does happen occasionally. Then I get in the R8 and when I reach 6km I think it's time to shift, I look down and realize I still have 3km per minute to go!
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| 150482 (543hp) | I guess I would have to test drive a 535d to see if there is a difference. It just seems like my 535i's engine has a nice purr when I put it in gear. The 328d's diesel seemed to rattle more. As Ezmaass mentioned, the red line was very short and if I didn't change gear it automatically did it for me, which threw me off. The 328's handling was pretty good when I met the 360 on the highway ramp.
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| 180883 (407hp) | Quote: Originally written by ezmaass Good to know about the 14 vs 15. I think diesel engines have come such a long way and obviously a lot of money is being put into alternative fuels, engines etc, all in a race to produce the most efficient cars. Yes, but the high speed of gasoline engines is addictive. I rarely take my 550 to redline, but it does happen occasionally. Then I get into the R8 and when I reach 6km I think it's time to shift, I look down and realize I still have 3km a minute to go! I heard that the X3 2.0DI may have missed the years, it should have been a -13 vs. -14. He started the -13 with all its diesel clatter, then moved over about 3 meters (9 feet) and started a brand new -14. Standing next to the front wing of the -14 is actually where you hear the -13 best. Then he stopped the -13 and you could hear a muffled clatter from the -14. This now applies to the 4-cylinder diesel, I don't know if anything has been done with the 6-cylinders. I've also rarely brought my M3 to redline, but when shifting around 4500 rpm something just feels wrong. I still have the old 850i v12 so I can get my gas repaired if needed. But I think I'll take M5 next time when I can let go of the car
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| ginger14 (869hp) | A 4-cylinder diesel is an absolute no for me. The six-cylinder 30d (258 hp) and 35d (313 hp) that we get here in Europe are simply perfect. At idle you can barely hear the engine when you turn on the radio, and at high speed you can't hear anything. I drove 535i and 535d back to back and the diesel was really impressive. Looking at the numbers I see that the European 530d is very close to the 535i while offering much better fuel economy.
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| Nazarie (162hp) | Quote: Originally written by Noggie. I still have the old 850i v12 so I can get my petrol engine repaired if needed.
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| february27 (227hp) | Quote: Originally posted by lsturbointeg I think I would have to test a 535d to see if there is a difference. It just seems like my 535i's engine has a nice purr when I put it in gear. The 328d's diesel seemed to rattle more. As Ezmaass mentioned, the red line was very short and if I didn't change gear it automatically did it for me, which threw me off. The 328's handling was pretty good when I met the 360 on the highway ramp. The N47 4-cylinder BMW diesel engines are not the best diesels in their class in terms of smoothness. I suspect that BMW has tuned the injection strategy to achieve the best emissions and consumption, which results in some combustion noise. In my experience, installing it in the F30 body is also not the best example of sound insulation in a 320d. As for the 535d (530d Europe), I tested an F10 530d “back to back” with the 535i. The 530d is a very refined diesel engine that still has a little NVH from the engine, most noticeable at idle and on the body and footrest. I prefer the 535i because it's more elegant in all conditions. I'm a long-time diesel user but the 535i was at the top of my list, even here in the UK where the 535i is a rare engine. I love my 535i station wagon. HighlandPete
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| silvana1 (265hp) | I would like to add that the N47 4-cylinder diesel engines in the F10 seem more refined than in the F30.
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| four44 (906hp) | Quote: Originally written by Noggie. I heard that the X3 2.0DI may not have been able to keep up in recent years, it should have been a -13 vs. -14. He started the -13 with all its diesel clatter, then moved over about 3 meters (9 feet) and started a brand new -14. Standing next to the front wing of the -14 is actually where you hear the -13 best. Then he stopped the -13 and you could hear a muffled clatter from the -14. This now applies to the 4-cylinder diesel, I don't know if anything has been done with the 6-cylinders. I've also rarely brought my M3 to redline, but when shifting around 4500 rpm something just feels wrong. I still have the old 850i v12 so I can get my gas repaired if needed. But I think I'll drive M5 next time. If I can drive the car, Noggie, I'd love to see some pictures of your 850! I loved this car! I wish BMW would make some cars like the 8 series again. Instead, they give us hybrid sports cars that can't do three laps without the battery dying and the driver having a three-cylinder engine. I keep hoping we'll see a petrol version of the i8, but I doubt it. Maybe we'll have to wait and see what the joint Toyota work produces?
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| mks.01 (11hp) | Quote: Originally written by ezmaass Noggie – would love to see some pictures of your 850! I loved this car! I wish BMW would make some cars like the 8 series again. Instead, they give us hybrid sports cars that can't do three laps without the battery dying and the driver having a three-cylinder engine. I keep hoping we'll see a petrol version of the i8, but I doubt it. Maybe we'll have to wait and see what the joint Toyota work produces? I agree, I can't believe they haven't built an M1 yet because the rumors have been going around for years. Especially because Audi has done such a good job with the R8 and I'm sure you fully appreciate having one!
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| 29041980 (130hp) | Quote: Originally written by ezmaass Noggie – would love to see some pictures of your 850! I loved this car! I wish BMW would make some cars like the 8 series again. Instead, they give us hybrid sports cars that can't do three laps without the battery dying and the driver having a three-cylinder engine. I keep hoping we'll see a petrol version of the i8, but I doubt it. Maybe we'll have to wait and see what the joint Toyota work produces? I'll find some pictures and create a new thread. I also have some requests for pictures of my m550d. Quote: Originally written by The Beast. I can't believe they haven't built an M1 yet because the rumors have been circulating for years. Especially because Audi has done such a good job with the R8 and I'm sure you fully appreciate having one! According to rumors, a new i8 will be launched to celebrate BMW's 100th anniversary. http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...rcar?fbfanpage
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| saphire1 (937hp) | According to rumors, a new i8 will be launched to celebrate BMW's 100th anniversary. http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...rcar?fbfanpage[/QUOTE] Interesting, but I'd still like to see BMW try a more traditional supercar and call it the M1. Especially since they now have the ex-Ferrari designer on board...
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| yourface1 (224hp) | I really enjoy my 2014 535d, you press the accelerator and the car starts like a V8, the performance figures are very similar to the petrol 535. If I want to have more fun, I just borrow my son's 135 manual transmission 6, and I forget about the 5 Series 6 cylinder engine, diesel or not, especially since the 1 Series is much lighter than both cars. I find the daily consumption of 31.8 mpg when driving in the city with my diesel very pleasant.
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| 9mmkungfu (795hp) | First of all, I already miss my car! Oil change, rear brake pad replacement and Vanos screw recall? Whom they gave me a loaner, and boy, I don't like it! I was a little nervous at first when the service advisor told me what my loaner would be since we originally chose the 3 Series. All I could say is: Wow... Do all diesels sound like that? It sounds like the car needs a valve adjustment! A bit like my mother's old '85 Volvo. When I put the car in sport mode the car sounds even louder when I'm driving on the ground! I couldn't believe how terrible the engine sounded as I raced through the gears! Last thing, and maybe it's just me, but when you stop, the car's engine literally quits. I never thought it would do that, so my son and I thought: WTF LOL? Anyway...just my opinion, but I just don't like the diesel versions. Maybe there was something wrong with the car, but please get in touch.
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| passwrd (799hp) | Diesel engines are all louder than petrol engines - due to their design. They have become significantly quieter over the years, but are still not acceptable to me. Unfortunately, the rattling you mentioned is not a problem with the engine, but simply a characteristic. Start-stop technology is also included in all new BMW models in the series. There is a small button under the start/stop button to turn it off. Mine is permanently disabled.
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| marmaduke (94hp) | Not shutting down the diesel engines is just not my thing. The rattling makes me feel like some screws have come loose on the engines, lol! As for the stop-start function, I feel like I'll be holding up traffic because the car might not start. Maybe it's because it's a diesel, but the car shakes or jerks when you step on the accelerator while driving... not a smooth transition.
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| ardaturan (218hp) | Quote: Originally written by lsturbointeg. Not shutting down the diesel engines is just not my thing. The rattling makes me feel like some screws have come loose on the engines, lol! As for the stop-start function, I feel like I'll be holding up traffic because the car might not start. Maybe it's because it's a diesel, but the car shakes or jerks when you step on the accelerator while driving... not a smooth transition. I'm also not a fan of diesel engines for the same reasons: a bit too loud a clatter and a lack of feel and sound. Low-end torque is good, but the lack of redline isn't great. The start/stop function is a gimmick for me. I've read a few studies that have refuted its value, suggesting that its real value is in helping BMW get a few extra points in European emissions tests, rather than actually helping owners save money. But that's a whole other debate for a different thread. Like I said, I just beat it. If you have a 2014 or newer model, it will remember the selection, at least on the 5 Series. And the abrupt beginning is unfortunately part of the game. The engine actually starts in a split second, but I'm not keen on every little delay - or the vibration. It just reminds me that I put extra wear and tear on my battery, starter motor and almost every mechanical part of the engine at every stoplight to save a few cents on gas.
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| 123520 (240hp) | The 4-cylinder diesel in the 328d isn't a good example of how good the best modern diesel engines have become. This particular engine is not particularly smooth or refined. The 6-cylinder in the 535d is a gem. Extremely smooth, quiet, refined and with an enormous boost of torque from just 1000 rpm. I would always prefer it to the inline six-cylinder Petro in the 535i. I've had this Petro 6 in several of my recent cars, and while it's a world class engine, I've never found it to be quite as good as the non-turbo 6...faster, yes...sweeter, er, NO. The BMW 535d is great.
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| 12121212a (846hp) | Quote: Originally written by ezmaass Diesel engines are all louder than gasoline engines - simply due to their design. I agree, but also most 3 Series models are louder than most 5 Series models (from the driver's seat), again simply by design. The sound insulation in the cabin of the 5 Series is absolutely exceptional, which must be taken into account when assessing the noise level of the 3 Series diesel engine. Yes, diesels are louder and I understand that's not for everyone, that's completely normal, but they've come a long way. The 535d's numbers are pretty impressive, and if someone isn't looking for pure performance numbers, I think it's a pretty nice vehicle. Even in the long run, the savings at the pump are significant, and while this may not be the most important factor for most owners, places outside of North America pay through the pumps and wouldn't dream of having gas engines (inline six or thirsty V8 - ( I'm talking about the average car buyer here, not the wealthy car enthusiast who will always be an exception). Again, I understand it's not for everyone, but diesels have an exceptionally bad reputation in North America and I personally have never fully understood that. On the other hand, the 5 Series is such a well-balanced car that many smaller rental cars (with or without diesel) cannot keep up. My first impression of the X1 that I received wasn't exactly positive (understatement of the year). BUT....after spending almost a full week with it, it's clear that it can't compete with 5, but it still drove better than many other cars out there, regardless (I figured you have to dig deeper) You could tell it was a BMW car in terms of engine and handling and towered above the rest in a similar category. My point here: If you own a 5 Series, you're in for a bit of a treat. A lot of what's out there will, at first glance, feel a lot less like a car than it actually is. Sure, some of it is diesel in this case, but it's also a 3 Series, great car, just not as sophisticated in terms of design.
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| EDM92 (14hp) | On the -15, BMW has an updated diesel 4-cylinder engine. I listened to both at the same time and the new one is much quieter, you can still hear that it's a diesel but compared to the -14 this one is about twice as loud. At start-stop. The engine starts when you release the brake or when you stand still for a long time. I thought it had a separate power supply and didn't use the battery for that, but I'm not sure. I tend to turn mine off like Ezmaass. I love my diesel 5, but next time I might switch to a petrol one because it has a screaming, high-revving engine that a diesel never can.
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| weezybaby1 (221hp) | You're right! My 5er spoiled me! I finally picked it up from the dealer. They gave me a $50 credit for the accessories department, so I ended up getting some sparkly valve stem caps and a trailer guard. Pretty nice of them to do that! What kind of problem is this? They pointed out a bubble on the RFT sidewall of the driver's side front tire. They quoted me $530 for the tire installed....wow!
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| erce (282hp) | Quote: Originally written by Noggie. On the -15, BMW has an updated diesel 4-cylinder engine. I listened to both at the same time and the new one is much quieter, you can still hear that it's a diesel but compared to the -14 this one is about twice as loud. At start-stop. The engine starts when you release the brake or when you stand still for a long time. I thought it had a separate power supply and didn't use the battery for that, but I'm not sure. I tend to turn mine off like Ezmaass. I love my diesel 5, but next time I might switch to a petrol because it has a screaming, high-revving engine that a diesel never can. Good to know about the 14 vs 15. I think diesel engines have come such a long way and obviously a lot of money is being put into alternative fuels, engines etc, all in a race to produce the most efficient cars. Yes, but the high speed of gasoline engines is addictive. I rarely take my 550 to redline, but it does happen occasionally. Then I get in the R8 and when I reach 6km I think it's time to shift, I look down and realize I still have 3km per minute to go!
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| bear99 (360hp) | I guess I would have to test drive a 535d to see if there is a difference. It just seems like my 535i's engine has a nice purr when I put it in gear. The 328d's diesel seemed to rattle more. As Ezmaass mentioned, the red line was very short and if I didn't change gear it automatically did it for me, which threw me off. The 328's handling was pretty good when I met the 360 on the highway ramp.
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| awsome (133hp) | Quote: Originally written by ezmaass Good to know about the 14 vs 15. I think diesel engines have come such a long way and obviously a lot of money is being put into alternative fuels, engines etc, all in a race to produce the most efficient cars. Yes, but the high speed of gasoline engines is addictive. I rarely take my 550 to redline, but it does happen occasionally. Then I get into the R8 and when I reach 6km I think it's time to shift, I look down and realize I still have 3km a minute to go! I heard that the X3 2.0DI may have missed the years, it should have been a -13 vs. -14. He started the -13 with all its diesel clatter, then moved over about 3 meters (9 feet) and started a brand new -14. Standing next to the front wing of the -14 is actually where you hear the -13 best. Then he stopped the -13 and you could hear a muffled clatter from the -14. This now applies to the 4-cylinder diesel, I don't know if anything has been done with the 6-cylinders. I've also rarely brought my M3 to redline, but when shifting around 4500 rpm something just feels wrong. I still have the old 850i v12 so I can get my gas repaired if needed. But I think I'll take M5 next time when I can let go of the car
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| granville (300hp) | A 4-cylinder diesel is an absolute no for me. The six-cylinder 30d (258 hp) and 35d (313 hp) that we get here in Europe are simply perfect. At idle you can barely hear the engine when you turn on the radio, and at high speed you can't hear anything. I drove 535i and 535d back to back and the diesel was really impressive. Looking at the numbers I see that the European 530d is very close to the 535i while offering much better fuel economy.
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| 25031985 (89hp) | Quote: Originally written by Noggie. I still have the old 850i v12 so I can get my petrol engine repaired if needed.
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| amadeus55 (200hp) | Quote: Originally posted by lsturbointeg I think I would have to test a 535d to see if there is a difference. It just seems like my 535i's engine has a nice purr when I put it in gear. The 328d's diesel seemed to rattle more. As Ezmaass mentioned, the red line was very short and if I didn't change gear it automatically did it for me, which threw me off. The 328's handling was pretty good when I met the 360 on the highway ramp. The N47 4-cylinder BMW diesel engines are not the best diesels in their class in terms of smoothness. I suspect that BMW has tuned the injection strategy to achieve the best emissions and consumption, which results in some combustion noise. In my experience, installing it in the F30 body is also not the best example of sound insulation in a 320d. As for the 535d (530d Europe), I tested an F10 530d “back to back” with the 535i. The 530d is a very refined diesel engine that still has a little NVH from the engine, most noticeable at idle and on the body and footrest. I prefer the 535i because it's more elegant in all conditions. I'm a long-time diesel user but the 535i was at the top of my list, even here in the UK where the 535i is a rare engine. I love my 535i station wagon. HighlandPete
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