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| hotdog3 (390hp) | Hi guys, I'm sorry if this info was posted as "Sticky" but I couldn't find it. Anyway, there is a relatively inexpensive daily car on the market, and it appears that 2010-2012 535s can be had for not much money and relatively low miles. I'm not a newbie when it comes to BMW. I have owned an E46 for 10 years and currently have an F30 335i. Other family members own an X5 and X6. So I'm well aware of and expect the maintenance of one. Which model years should I avoid for a used 535? Which year should I aim for? I need a relatively reliable everyday engine for the next 5 years (not Toyota reliable), but something reliable from a BMW fan's perspective. Maybe something about the electronics, the gearbox (I'm just thinking a manual) or something else. I'm aware of the reliability of N54 and N55, but I'm not sure what the most important maintenance and repairs would be for a 535. I've heard bad things about the V8, so I'm staying away from the 550i for now. I would be very grateful for any information.
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| indianer (239hp) | Oh, just read on here. Bmwvin.com will be your friend when you find real purchase candidates. Teething problems could occur in the early 11s. Manuals are very difficult to find. Imagine finding a car within 500 miles that has over 80% of your dream car within 60-90 days. Keep this in mind before spending more than $500. Great cars!
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| hackeron (866hp) | Hi guys, I'm sorry if this info was posted as "Sticky" but I couldn't find it. Anyway, there is a relatively inexpensive daily car on the market, and it appears that 2010-2012 535s can be had for not much money and relatively low miles. I'm not a newbie when it comes to BMW. I have owned an E46 for 10 years and currently have an F30 335i. Other family members own an X5 and X6. So I'm well aware of and expect the maintenance of one. Which model years should I avoid for a used 535? Which year should I aim for? I need a relatively reliable everyday engine for the next 5 years (not Toyota reliable), but something reliable from a BMW fan's perspective. Maybe something about the electronics, the gearbox (I'm just thinking a manual) or something else. I'm aware of the reliability of N54 and N55, but I'm not sure what the most important maintenance and repairs would be for a 535. I've heard bad things about the V8, so I'm staying away from the 550i for now. I would be very grateful for any information.
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| marsbar (324hp) | Oh, just read on here. Bmwvin.com will be your friend when you find real purchase candidates. Some teething problems may arise in the early 11s. Manuals are very difficult to find. Imagine finding a car within 500 miles that has over 80% of your dream car within 60-90 days. Keep this in mind before spending more than $500. Great cars!
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| waterh20 (628hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Bluesummer, keeping a first year car longer than the warranty period? Good luck. However, if there are no major problems, you will end up with a car that will still look new for six to seven years. I had a first generation E36 convertible that ran flawlessly for the four years I kept the car.
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| monster01 (754hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Bluesummer, keeping a first year car longer than the warranty period? Good luck, I've had a first year car for 15 years, no problems. There are so many variables at play: technology and ownership, maintenance, driving habits and luck. Just because you bid in the first year means little.
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| 211001 (30hp) | Can last a maximum of 4 years as I have a personal contract plan. ... then I would choose the X5
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| 120990 (905hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 I've had a first year car for 15 years, no problems. There are so many variables at play: technology and ownership, maintenance, driving habits and luck. Just because you bid in the first year means little. I wouldn't mind owning a first year production even if it was 15 years ago. But current BMWs, I'm not so sure. I just read my signature
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| one (179hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Bluesummer I wouldn't mind owning a first year production if it was from 15 years ago. But current BMWs, I'm not so sure. Just read my sig. Wow, you were really unlucky, I can understand why you got double bitten once. The last 4 cars I own are all first year. Haven't had any major problems with any of them.
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| crip4life (802hp) | The 2011 F10 that we will receive at BMW Welt at the end of October will be my wife's car. She typically leases and rotates cars every three years. Even though she only drives 8-9,000 miles a year, she doesn't like driving a car when it's out of warranty. I, on the other hand, tend to keep my cars longer. One of my daily drivers is an '85 Euro e24 M635CSI and I still have my 1973 2002Tii Roundie, the first brand new BMW I bought. Although I admire and respect the technology and efficiency of the new cars, I still prefer the older models because of how fun they are to drive.
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| Piotr74656 (731hp) | Quote: Originally written by kealaiki The 2011 F10 that we will receive at BMW Welt at the end of October will be my wife's car. She typically leases and rotates cars every three years. Even though she only drives 8-9,000 miles a year, she doesn't like driving a car when it's out of warranty. I, on the other hand, tend to keep my cars longer. One of my daily drivers is an '85 Euro e24 M635CSI and I still have my 1973 2002Tii Roundie, the first brand new BMW I bought. Although I admire and respect the technology and efficiency of the new cars, I still prefer the older models because of how fun they are to drive. I agree with you 100%... My only concern with some of the older cars I own is that while they have a certain flair that can't be replicated in modern cars. I'm worried that I might get into an accident with an Escalade. When I was younger this wasn't a big problem. Now I have mouths to feed and responsibility to take on. So the motorcycles and the MG roadsters won't happen.
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| ryan07 (874hp) | I really like f10 so maybe I'll keep it until a new model comes out in 6-7 years but it all depends on Benjamins...
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| ngocanh (469hp) | Quote: Originally posted by dpwr I really like f10 so maybe I'll keep it until a new model comes out in 6-7 years but it all depends on Benjamins... That's probably the most important factor in all of this Decision making.
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| dec (699hp) | What is actually the better option financially? Sell the car when it still has about 40% residual value in the fourth year and then get a new one or run it down until you can't stand it anymore? Either the maintenance costs are too high or you just want an upgrade.
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| chinook1 (478hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 I've had a first year car for 15 years, no problems. There are so many variables at play: technology and ownership, maintenance, driving habits and luck. Just because you bid in the first year means little. Agreed. I have a first year E90 sedan in the family that is 5 years old and has been more reliable than I could have hoped for. First year models do not automatically mean that they will not cause problems in the long term.
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| Majdnoon (827hp) | On Saturday I take delivery of my first BMW – an imperial blue 535i. My plan is to keep it for at least 5 years, assuming the quality and fun factor remain high.
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| BMWjames (970hp) | My car costs about 80,000, I pay 15,000 and pay about 1,100 months for 60 months. If I lease I'll probably have to put down 5k and pay the same amount for 36 months. For 2 years of installments and 10 AI, I think this car is worth owning.
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| power13 (261hp) | It's an old thread, but just an update: Even though I planned to keep the car for 7 years, I sold it after 4 years. It was still in excellent condition. I switched to the 435i GC and was still waiting for it
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| babyboy06 (410hp) | Quote: Originally posted by r3amir I plan on keeping it for at least seven years. What's wrong with you? The next generation of the 5 Series should be available by then! A total of 39 months, i.e. in February 2017, the time in which the G30 will be on the move.
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| bff4life (947hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Grover432 39 months in total, so February 2017, which is roughly when the G30 will be on the road. The new 5 Series should lose some weight and offer a perfect balance between sport and luxury. My only criticism of the F10 was that it was too heavy, otherwise a great car
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| gamecocks1 (37hp) | I plan on keeping my car, it's not leased. If anything, pass it on to my boys.
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| pooh1234 (385hp) | Quote: Originally posted by lsturbointeg I plan on keeping my car...it's not leased. If anything, pass it on to my boys. Ditto......Except I passed it on....
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| sword1 (637hp) | I've had my device for 10 months now and will probably replace it in 12 to 16 months. Then I would have had it for about 2 years, and when I sell it there is still some warranty left. I'm not sure what to buy next, maybe a new F11 or an LCI M5. I've been looking at the M4 a bit lately too, who knows, I guess I'll find out in a year or so.
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| karena (940hp) | Quote: Originally written by r3amir The new 5 series should lose some weight and offer a perfect balance between sport and luxury. My only criticism of the F10 was that it was too heavy, otherwise it's a great car. I'm not optimistic that the G30 will be significantly lighter, but there are rumors that the M5 will gain all-wheel drive and lose 150 kg (~300 lbs), which if true would be significant. This time I didn't go for the 550. The fuel consumption is also terrible. However, I would like a little more power than the N55 so I don't have to downshift to 3rd gear to quickly accelerate to 40 mph. The 550 is effortless at all speeds. If I had to spec my car again I would have added DHP (no Sport available with AWD) and possibly night vision for the nighttime trips to the lake (Deer). Otherwise I like to save 50 or 60 HP. We'll see what comes next.
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| Any (35hp) | I had my previous E39 530i for 10 years and plan to keep my F10 for a similar length of time. In all that time there was only one problem: an alternator that failed (just before I sold it). My F10 is just 3 years old now. I have no plans to extend the warranty and am basically keeping my fingers crossed and hoping that the unforeseen maintenance costs are minimal. My annual mileage is approximately 6000 miles per year.
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| shumaher (715hp) | I plan to keep my car for a long time, paid for it in cash, and here in Ireland we have a second VRT tax on cars that have bought more daylight rubber from the government, making a 520d as expensive as a 530d in the UK , so we did this to keep it for a long time to make the investment worth it! It's better to invest in vintage cars and add a 2002 TII or a pre-facelift E30 325 to my 635 CSI!
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| diamonds2 (842hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Bluesummer, keeping a first year car longer than the warranty period? Good luck. However, if there are no major problems, you will end up with a car that will still look new for six to seven years. I had a first generation E36 convertible that ran flawlessly for the four years I kept the car.
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| 2fuckyou (878hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Bluesummer, keeping a first year car longer than the warranty period? Good luck, I've had a first year car for 15 years, no problems. There are so many variables at play: technology and ownership, maintenance, driving habits and luck. Just because you bid in the first year means little.
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| j8675309 (495hp) | Can last a maximum of 4 years as I have a personal contract plan. ... then I would choose the X5
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| alexander6 (448hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 I've had a first year car for 15 years, no problems. There are so many variables at play: technology and ownership, maintenance, driving habits and luck. Just because you bid in the first year means little. I wouldn't mind owning a first year production even if it was 15 years ago. But current BMWs, I'm not so sure. I just read my signature
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| bratwurst (346hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Bluesummer I wouldn't mind owning a first year production if it was from 15 years ago. But current BMWs, I'm not so sure. Just read my sig. Wow, you were really unlucky, I can understand why you got double bitten once. The last 4 cars I own are all first year. Haven't had any major problems with any of them.
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| ProperXI (563hp) | The 2011 F10 that we will receive at BMW Welt at the end of October will be my wife's car. She typically leases and rotates cars every three years. Even though she only drives 8-9,000 miles a year, she doesn't like driving a car when it's out of warranty. I, on the other hand, tend to keep my cars longer. One of my daily drivers is an '85 Euro e24 M635CSI and I still have my 1973 2002Tii Roundie, the first brand new BMW I bought. Although I admire and respect the technology and efficiency of the new cars, I still prefer the older models because of how fun they are to drive.
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| emontag (722hp) | Quote: Originally written by kealaiki The 2011 F10 that we will receive at BMW Welt at the end of October will be my wife's car. She typically leases and rotates cars every three years. Even though she only drives 8-9,000 miles a year, she doesn't like driving a car when it's out of warranty. I, on the other hand, tend to keep my cars longer. One of my daily drivers is an '85 Euro e24 M635CSI and I still have my 1973 2002Tii Roundie, the first brand new BMW I bought. Although I admire and respect the technology and efficiency of the new cars, I still prefer the older models because of how fun they are to drive. I agree with you 100%... My only concern with some of the older cars I own is that while they have a certain flair that can't be replicated in modern cars. I'm worried that I might get into an accident with an Escalade. When I was younger this wasn't a big problem. Now I have mouths to feed and responsibility to take on. So the motorcycles and the MG roadsters won't happen.
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| dallas! (255hp) | I really like f10 so maybe I'll keep it until a new model comes out in 6-7 years but it all depends on Benjamins...
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| 1212qw (350hp) | Quote: Originally posted by dpwr I really like f10 so maybe I'll keep it until a new model comes out in 6-7 years but it all depends on Benjamins... That's probably the most important factor in all of this Decision making.
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| dragon777 (32hp) | What is actually the better option financially? Sell the car when it still has about 40% residual value in the fourth year and then get a new one or run it down until you can't stand it anymore? Either the maintenance costs are too high or you just want an upgrade.
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| princess02 (169hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 I've had a first year car for 15 years, no problems. There are so many variables at play: technology and ownership, maintenance, driving habits and luck. Just because you bid in the first year means little. Agreed. I have a first year E90 sedan in the family that is 5 years old and has been more reliable than I could have hoped for. First year models do not automatically mean that they will not cause problems in the long term.
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| vegas123 (600hp) | On Saturday I take delivery of my first BMW – an imperial blue 535i. My plan is to keep it for at least 5 years, assuming the quality and fun factor remain high.
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| junior04 (64hp) | My car costs about 80,000, I pay 15,000 and pay about 1,100 months for 60 months. If I lease I'll probably have to put down 5k and pay the same amount for 36 months. For 2 years of installments and 10 AI, I think this car is worth owning.
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| nikolaev (183hp) | It's an old thread, but just an update: Even though I planned to keep the car for 7 years, I sold it after 4 years. It was still in excellent condition. I switched to the 435i GC and was still waiting for it
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| acdc12 (256hp) | Quote: Originally posted by r3amir I plan on keeping it for at least seven years. What's wrong with you? The next generation of the 5 Series should be available by then! A total of 39 months, i.e. in February 2017, the time in which the G30 will be on the move.
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| linkedin2 (276hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Grover432 39 months in total, so February 2017, which is roughly when the G30 will be on the road. The new 5 Series should lose some weight and offer a perfect balance between sport and luxury. My only criticism of the F10 was that it was too heavy, otherwise a great car
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| betsy (126hp) | I plan on keeping my car, it's not leased. If anything, pass it on to my boys.
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| Excitmnt94 (484hp) | Quote: Originally posted by lsturbointeg I plan on keeping my car...it's not leased. If anything, pass it on to my boys. Ditto......Except I passed it on....
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| 09091993 (700hp) | When I split screen (professional) and set the right side to show entertainment details, the artwork of my music from my USB flash drive appears. However, when I use stuff from Spotify, that's not the case... it used to work sporadically, but stopped and now no matter what I do, only the song's name and album appear in the text and no artwork appears displayed. My Spotify is the BMW app that runs on an iPhone and is in Snap-In. Does anyone know why this no longer works and if there are any solutions ?
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| geneatals (899hp) | I've had my device for 10 months now and will probably replace it in 12 to 16 months. Then I would have had it for about 2 years, and when I sell it there is still some warranty left. I'm not sure what to buy next, maybe a new F11 or an LCI M5. I've been looking at the M4 a bit lately too, who knows, I guess I'll find out in a year or so.
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| chateau (379hp) | I'm surprised I'm the only one bothered by this
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| mrsarcazim (205hp) | Quote: Originally written by r3amir The new 5 series should lose some weight and offer a perfect balance between sport and luxury. My only criticism of the F10 was that it was too heavy, otherwise it's a great car. I'm not optimistic that the G30 will be significantly lighter, but there are rumors that the M5 will gain all-wheel drive and lose 150 kg (~300 lbs), which if true would be significant. This time I didn't go for the 550. The fuel consumption is also terrible. However, I would like a little more power than the N55 so I don't have to downshift to 3rd gear to quickly accelerate to 40 mph. The 550 is effortless at all speeds. If I had to spec my car again I would have added DHP (no Sport available with AWD) and possibly night vision for the nighttime trips to the lake (Deer). Otherwise I like to save 50 or 60 HP. We'll see what comes next.
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| desman (11hp) | I also noticed this when using the console USB and Pandora, but this doesn't work (thankfully) when I use my USB/charging adapter in the cigarette lighter socket right next to it. Definitely strange. There's no point in showing the album cover of what I'm listening to if you can't see the artist name/song title etc. I don't understand it either, man..
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| rocky22 (1hp) | I had my previous E39 530i for 10 years and plan to keep my F10 for a similar length of time. In all that time there was only one problem: an alternator that failed (just before I sold it). My F10 is just 3 years old now. I have no plans to extend the warranty and am basically keeping my fingers crossed and hoping that the unforeseen maintenance costs are minimal. My annual mileage is approximately 6000 miles per year.
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| avril123 (458hp) | drawn. I was just about to post the same thing. My 2012 535 was able to display Pandora's conversation details correctly, but my 2015 X5 was not. I think this is a software bug with the new idrive. Can we discuss this with BMW Corp. complain??
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| redmoon (72hp) | I plan to keep my car for a long time, paid for it in cash, and here in Ireland we have a second VRT tax on cars that have bought more daylight rubber from the government, making a 520d as expensive as a 530d in the UK , so we did this to keep it for a long time to make the investment worth it! It's better to invest in vintage cars and add a 2002 TII or a pre-facelift E30 325 to my 635 CSI!
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| 456789a (877hp) | The funny thing is that the album art is actually there, as you can see on the app's main display on the left. It's just the right side (conversation details) that shows nothing but ugly text. Definitely a bug, but since my idrive version has never changed since I've had the car, and it definitely worked before, it must be a bug in the app (Spotify, Pandora, etc.).....)
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| 10021988 (999hp) | Just to add, this seems to happen with all 2016 loaner cars I've gotten from the dealer. Eliw, what year is your car? Maybe I should restart Idrive
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| Jiang520 (926hp) | My new 2016 does the same thing. Album art displays fine on the main left screen, but not on the right screen when connected via USB. Another strange thing is that when I play Pandora via Bluetooth, the album art appears fine on the right screen.
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| vika1995 (230hp) | My car was manufactured in December 2015. How to restart idrive? ?
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| tiffany10 (178hp) | I'll bring this up again... I recently updated my iPhone to the latest version and my connection to iDrive totally broke. I couldn't play Pandora or charge my iPhone consistently via USB. My solution: I updated the idrive software from the BMW website (www.bmw.usa/update). Download the file to a USB stick, connect the USB stick to the car port and update the software using the iDrive menu. 2 minutes later you are equipped with the latest media/phone software. So far this has fixed all my problems. I hope you feel the same way. Disclaimer: This is just a suggestion for anyone who has problems with Coverart/Pandora/USB charging etc. I take no responsibility if your iDrive crashes : )
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| linkedin77 (259hp) | I have no problems with cover artwork on Spotify. It always shows. I have a 16 528. It doesn't matter if I use USB or Bluetooth
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| 240589 (904hp) | Quote: Originally written by Jmorgand. I have no problems with cover art on Spotify. It always shows. I have a 16 528. It doesn't matter if I use USB or Bluetooth. My X5 and M5 are both from 2015, built early (late 2014). I think the software was a bit unreliable with the apps. Over Bluetooth I would get the first cover art on Pandora and it never updates to move on to the next songs. This happened with both cars, so I didn't think it was my phone. Now when I updated my iPhone to the latest version I lost that functionality on the USB, again on both cars... I came across a thread on Bimmerfest and decided to update the media/phone software and boom. .. everything is fine again! Just thought I'd share it.
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| getcrunk1 (71hp) | When I split screen (professional) and set the right side to show entertainment details, the artwork of my music from my USB flash drive appears. However, when I use stuff from Spotify, that's not the case... it used to work sporadically, but stopped and now no matter what I do, only the song's name and album appear in the text and no artwork appears displayed. My Spotify is the BMW app that runs on an iPhone and is in Snap-In. Does anyone know why this no longer works and if there are any solutions ?
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| johnson11 (105hp) | I'm surprised I'm the only one bothered by this
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| rudy12 (88hp) | I also noticed this when using the console USB and Pandora, but this doesn't work (thankfully) when I use my USB/charging adapter in the cigarette lighter socket right next to it. Definitely strange. There's no point in showing the album cover of what I'm listening to if you can't see the artist name/song title etc. I don't understand it either, man..
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| barbados1 (890hp) | drawn. I was just about to post the same thing. My 2012 535 was able to display Pandora's conversation details correctly, but my 2015 X5 was not. I think this is a software bug with the new idrive. Can we discuss this with BMW Corp. complain??
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| 7272 (883hp) | The funny thing is that the album art is actually there, as you can see on the app's main display on the left. It's just the right side (conversation details) that shows nothing but ugly text. Definitely a bug, but since my idrive version has never changed since I've had the car, and it definitely worked before, it must be a bug in the app (Spotify, Pandora, etc.).....)
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| hank123 (224hp) | Just to add, this seems to happen with all 2016 loaner cars I've gotten from the dealer. Eliw, what year is your car? Maybe I should restart Idrive
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| natala (34hp) | My new 2016 does the same thing. Album art displays fine on the main left screen, but not on the right screen when connected via USB. Another strange thing is that when I play Pandora via Bluetooth, the album art appears fine on the right screen.
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| basket12 (126hp) | My car was manufactured in December 2015. How to restart idrive? ?
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| weasley (22hp) | I'll bring this up again... I recently updated my iPhone to the latest version and my connection to iDrive totally broke. I couldn't play Pandora or charge my iPhone consistently via USB. My solution: I updated the idrive software from the BMW website (www.bmw.usa/update). Download the file to a USB stick, connect the USB stick to the car port and update the software using the iDrive menu. 2 minutes later you are equipped with the latest media/phone software. So far this has fixed all my problems. I hope you feel the same way. Disclaimer: This is just a suggestion for anyone who has problems with Coverart/Pandora/USB charging etc. I take no responsibility if your iDrive crashes : )
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| 123321zxc (133hp) | I have no problems with cover artwork on Spotify. It always shows. I have a 16 528. It doesn't matter if I use USB or Bluetooth
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| arie (513hp) | Quote: Originally written by Jmorgand. I have no problems with cover art on Spotify. It always shows. I have a 16 528. It doesn't matter if I use USB or Bluetooth. My X5 and M5 are both from 2015, built early (late 2014). I think the software was a bit unreliable with the apps. Over Bluetooth I would get the first cover art on Pandora and it never updates to move on to the next songs. This happened with both cars, so I didn't think it was my phone. Now when I updated my iPhone to the latest version I lost that functionality on the USB, again on both cars... I came across a thread on Bimmerfest and decided to update the media/phone software and boom. .. everything is fine again! Just thought I'd share it.
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| loveone (107hp) | Considering the F10 dashboard wasn't far off from the 7 Series F01, I suspect the next 5 Series dashboard will be similar to the new 7 Series that just came out. I'm not sure I like it, the 5 Series evolves more and more towards comfort and so on with every new release. I guess the 3 series will be the old 5 series in a few years, maybe the fact that we're aging too will just carry on.
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| Jehovah (865hp) | I don't like the new trend that everyone seems to be turning to, which is LCD screens sticking out of the dashboard. I prefer the F10 variant, where it is seamlessly integrated into the dashboard. Also in this particular photo I feel that the gap between the center console, around the cup holders/shifter towards the climate control on the dashboard is simply not adequate flow wise like we have in Formula 10 today - this one looks for seems somehow incoherent. It doesn't look bad and nothing has changed drastically, more of a classic, not flashy look, which is good in my opinion, but these are the things I would change.
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| 18041982 (142hp) | I'm not a fan of the iPod screen, I prefer a slim dashboard with a built-in screen, even if it's a little lower and you have to look at it.
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| rojo123 (858hp) | The new look is terrible, looks cheap.
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| asher (975hp) | There is an identity crisis. Don't know if it wants to be a 3 series or a 7 series. I always hated the tablet-looking screen in the middle of the dashboard. Some idiot might break your windshield thinking they can steal it, haha
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| king66 (506hp) | Quote: Originally written by dbs600. The new look is terrible, looks cheap. I recently had the opportunity to take a look at the new 7 Series and believe me, design likes or dislikes aside, there's nothing there that says or looks budget... well, except for an insanely big budget
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| kyleigh (285hp) | Kinda looks like Hyundai's interior, except for the pop-up screen that doesn't retract:
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| vengeance (503hp) | Quote: Originally written by Bbb34. I don't like the new trend that everyone seems to be turning to, which is LCD screens sticking out of the dashboard. I prefer the F10 variant, where it is seamlessly integrated into the dashboard. Apparently we'll have to get used to the high-mounted navigation/infotainment screens, especially from Europe, as eye-line screens and safety considerations take priority in the design. Screens and the distraction factor have been well studied and documented.
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| troubles (340hp) | Quote: Originally written by Bbb34. I don't like the new trend that everyone seems to be turning to, which is LCD screens sticking out of the dashboard. I prefer the F10 variant, where it is seamlessly integrated into the dashboard. Also in this particular photo I feel that the gap between the center console, around the cup holders/shifter towards the climate control on the dashboard is simply not adequate flow wise like we have in Formula 10 today - this one looks for seems somehow incoherent. I agree, it all looks a bit disjointed, I'm not sure I like all the chrome either, too much "bling" for my taste
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| nicolle1 (521hp) | Quote: Originally written by IanS100 I agree, it all looks a bit disjointed, I'm not sure I like all the chrome either, too much "bling" for my taste, could be a lot worse. And considering I've always admired Audi's previous models, simple but modern interior design (that's 2016 A4)
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| turkish1 (970hp) | I really like it as with most new models it takes some time to get used to the new look and the pictures don't always do it justice. Physically sitting in the car and appreciating the quality of materials/fit and finish can greatly influence my initial thoughts on a design. I think if the new 5 has this look it won't have as much aluminum as the 7 in the dashboard design
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| Newguybmw (250hp) | Quote: Originally written by Bbb34. I recently had the opportunity to get a glimpse of the new 7 Series and believe me, design likes or dislikes aside, there's nothing that says budget or looks... well, except insanely big budget . Looks like an over-sided 3, and that's not a good thing.
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| sandy7 (104hp) | I like the look BUT I definitely hope they solve the panel durability issue. Apparently many (myself included) have complained that the trim material (whether wood or aluminum) scratches very easily and is difficult to polish/remove scratches.
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| david2 (145hp) | The move to a floating screen in the F30 was a big step forward in eliminating the bulky cover around the screen in the E90. I had no complaints about this setup in my last F30 328i as it brought information into my field of vision and made the interior feel more airy. I'm looking forward to this change in the 5 Series, but hope it doesn't have quite as many metallic finishes as the new 7 Series, unless there's an option for an anodized or brushed gunmetal finish on the M Sport -variants. Otherwise there is nothing wrong with slightly structured matt black plastic for the secondary controls.
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| dr4life (109hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The.
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| nickg562 (670hp) | I also don't like that the screen just sticks out of the dashboard. Even though there are no regulations to place this higher and in the eye line I still feel like it could be integrated into the dash like the current 5 and 7 (sorry old 7!). Even though the materials are of good quality and I've seen a new 7 Series in the BMW showroom on Park Lane in London, it still looks silly to me. It seems to be fashionable at the moment, at least Audi and Mercedes are doing the same. It doesn't impress me at all and it puts me off. Personally I don't like the chrome either, even though it's made of real aluminum it looks cheap to me, it just reminds me of cheap chrome plated plastic. I personally prefer a darker color, but I know that will be a personal thing. I'm sure there will be many in these forums who like it. I think the current 5 series is pretty darn good, just as good in quality as the previous E39 (I don't think the E60 is good in that regard...) I'd really like to chat to the designers and with who I approved of the protruding new idrive display and understood why they did what they did and why integrating it into the dashboard wasn't an option.
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| hammarby (974hp) | From Scott26 – No leak. But an idea to show the Reverse 7 Series philosophy used in the new 5 Series.-
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| #1stunner (133hp) | As mentioned in a few answers, I don't like the lack of flow between the center section and the dashboard at all. I think the current 6 Series dashboard is one of the best around, going all the way from the center console to the top, even with the floating screen they did a good job.
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| 19841021 (18hp) | I completely agree, looks much better in my opinion.
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| Lwf1681688 (79hp) | The screen doesn't bother me
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| love555 (146hp) | Why is the Idrive always positioned away from the driver's side? I thought it was just an RHD thing, but looking at the shots above that's clearly not the case. For me it's almost impossible to read the keys quickly as they seem to be tilted towards the passenger. very strange!
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| geroin (38hp) | I hope that in my opinion this is not the final image of the new 5 Dash, it seems more like an update to the existing Dash than what you would expect from a complete model change. I had brushed aluminum trim in my previous MSport F10. If you live in a cold climate, you can't believe how cold this material gets when the car sits outside in sub-freezing temperatures all day. Warming up takes forever. I would never order a car with this equipment again. Although I'm not impressed with the pop-up NAV screen, I wonder how the open/close function performs in sub-zero temperatures. I prefer the current configuration I had in my previous three F10s and E60s, as well as my new F10, which ships in December .
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| squid1 (49hp) | Considering the F10 dashboard wasn't far off from the 7 Series F01, I suspect the next 5 Series dashboard will be similar to the new 7 Series that just came out. I'm not sure I like it, the 5 Series evolves more and more towards comfort and so on with every new release. I guess the 3 series will be the old 5 series in a few years, maybe the fact that we're aging too will just carry on.
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| redneck09 (504hp) | I don't like the new trend that everyone seems to be turning to, which is LCD screens sticking out of the dashboard. I prefer the F10 variant, where it is seamlessly integrated into the dashboard. Also in this particular photo I feel that the gap between the center console, around the cup holders/shifter towards the climate control on the dashboard is simply not adequate flow wise like we have in Formula 10 today - this one looks for seems somehow incoherent. It doesn't look bad and nothing has changed drastically, more of a classic, not flashy look, which is good in my opinion, but these are the things I would change.
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| molomrx (857hp) | I'm not a fan of the iPod screen, I prefer a slim dashboard with a built-in screen, even if it's a little lower and you have to look at it.
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| rjorge3 (592hp) | The new look is terrible, looks cheap.
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| rawiswar (276hp) | There is an identity crisis. Don't know if it wants to be a 3 series or a 7 series. I always hated the tablet-looking screen in the middle of the dashboard. Some idiot might break your windshield thinking they can steal it, haha
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| lashae (479hp) | Quote: Originally written by dbs600. The new look is terrible, looks cheap. I recently had the opportunity to take a look at the new 7 Series and believe me, design likes or dislikes aside, there's nothing there that says or looks budget... well, except for an insanely big budget
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| 197100 (623hp) | Kinda looks like Hyundai's interior, except for the pop-up screen that doesn't retract:
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| doggy69 (957hp) | Quote: Originally written by Bbb34. I don't like the new trend that everyone seems to be turning to, which is LCD screens sticking out of the dashboard. I prefer the F10 variant, where it is seamlessly integrated into the dashboard. Apparently we'll have to get used to the high-mounted navigation/infotainment screens, especially from Europe, as eye-line screens and safety considerations take priority in the design. Screens and the distraction factor have been well studied and documented.
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| darcy1 (461hp) | Quote: Originally written by Bbb34. I don't like the new trend that everyone seems to be turning to, which is LCD screens sticking out of the dashboard. I prefer the F10 variant, where it is seamlessly integrated into the dashboard. Also in this particular photo I feel that the gap between the center console, around the cup holders/shifter towards the climate control on the dashboard is simply not adequate flow wise like we have in Formula 10 today - this one looks for seems somehow incoherent. I agree, it all looks a bit disjointed, I'm not sure I like all the chrome either, too much "bling" for my taste
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| krakow (122hp) | Quote: Originally written by IanS100 I agree, it all looks a bit disjointed, I'm not sure I like all the chrome either, too much "bling" for my taste, could be a lot worse. And considering I've always admired Audi's previous models, simple but modern interior design (that's 2016 A4)
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| weymouth (271hp) | I really like it as with most new models it takes some time to get used to the new look and the pictures don't always do it justice. Physically sitting in the car and appreciating the quality of materials/fit and finish can greatly influence my initial thoughts on a design. I think if the new 5 has this look it won't have as much aluminum as the 7 in the dashboard design
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| kt (251hp) | Quote: Originally written by Bbb34. I recently had the opportunity to get a glimpse of the new 7 Series and believe me, design likes or dislikes aside, there's nothing that says budget or looks... well, except insanely big budget . Looks like an over-sided 3, and that's not a good thing.
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| breebree1 (649hp) | I like the look BUT I definitely hope they solve the panel durability issue. Apparently many (myself included) have complained that the trim material (whether wood or aluminum) scratches very easily and is difficult to polish/remove scratches.
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| Sp123 (948hp) | The move to a floating screen in the F30 was a big step forward in eliminating the bulky cover around the screen in the E90. I had no complaints about this setup in my last F30 328i as it brought information into my field of vision and made the interior feel more airy. I'm looking forward to this change in the 5 Series, but hope it doesn't have quite as many metallic finishes as the new 7 Series, unless there's an option for an anodized or brushed gunmetal finish on the M Sport -variants. Otherwise there is nothing wrong with slightly structured matt black plastic for the secondary controls.
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| minecraft (130hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The.
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| 200690 (535hp) | I also don't like that the screen just sticks out of the dashboard. Even though there are no regulations to place this higher and in the eye line I still feel like it could be integrated into the dash like the current 5 and 7 (sorry old 7!). Even though the materials are of good quality and I've seen a new 7 Series in the BMW showroom on Park Lane in London, it still looks silly to me. It seems to be fashionable at the moment, at least Audi and Mercedes are doing the same. It doesn't impress me at all and it puts me off. Personally I don't like the chrome either, even though it's made of real aluminum it looks cheap to me, it just reminds me of cheap chrome plated plastic. I personally prefer a darker color, but I know that will be a personal thing. I'm sure there will be many in these forums who like it. I think the current 5 series is pretty darn good, just as good in quality as the previous E39 (I don't think the E60 is good in that regard...) I'd really like to chat to the designers and with who I approved of the protruding new idrive display and understood why they did what they did and why integrating it into the dashboard wasn't an option.
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| carolina01 (49hp) | From Scott26 – No leak. But an idea to show the Reverse 7 Series philosophy used in the new 5 Series.-
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| gerbil (62hp) | As mentioned in a few answers, I don't like the lack of flow between the center section and the dashboard at all. I think the current 6 Series dashboard is one of the best around, going all the way from the center console to the top, even with the floating screen they did a good job.
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| camcam1 (462hp) | I completely agree, looks much better in my opinion.
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| F10qimon (77hp) | The screen doesn't bother me
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| battlefield (561hp) | Why is the Idrive always positioned away from the driver's side? I thought it was just an RHD thing, but looking at the shots above that's clearly not the case. For me it's almost impossible to read the keys quickly as they seem to be tilted towards the passenger. very strange!
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| babyboy07 (905hp) | I hope that in my opinion this is not the final image of the new 5 Dash, it seems more like an update to the existing Dash than what you would expect from a complete model change. I had brushed aluminum trim in my previous MSport F10. If you live in a cold climate, you can't believe how cold this material gets when the car sits outside in sub-freezing temperatures all day. Warming up takes forever. I would never order a car with this equipment again. Although I'm not impressed with the pop-up NAV screen, I wonder how the open/close function performs in sub-zero temperatures. I prefer the current configuration I had in my previous three F10s and E60s, as well as my new F10, which ships in December .
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| bikefast1 (202hp) | Anyone having problems with the rear sun visor? Mine goes up but requires manual intervention to bring it back down! I found a few links and videos online that show troubleshooting for the E39 model. The little tabs are breaking but mine appear to be intact. Tried to lubricate it, didn't help.
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| starbuck1 (142hp) | Yes... I have this problem too, it works sometimes. However, I have never torn it down to see what can be done.
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| grandma11 (646hp) | It was only after dyeing that my parasol started to get stuck, which is probably why.
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| david2000 (669hp) | I never had any problems, neither before nor after the tint. But I have seen many posts where others have had issues with it getting stuck at the top or bottom. The only time I'm glad I don't have mechanical side panels is when I read another post from someone who has screen issues. Good luck.
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| karthika (439hp) | More lube. Jk. It got stuck for me several times. I'll just keep it below for now since I also looked for a solution and didn't find anything.
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| 19081993 (312hp) | Do you put it up and down often? Mine is active almost all the time, so no problems yet.
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