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| marinochka.zhelannaya (243hp) | I was now able to go out and take some decent photos of the car. More will follow
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| buddy09 (272hp) | Front and back shots
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| jacob02 (25hp) | Wow! Looks great lowered!
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| 141179 (793hp) | Hello Ickdeep. I love your driver and great job on this thread. I really enjoy following how you modify your F10. I saw a post where you said your brother tinted your taillights/headlights and you said you would post a video tutorial. I'd love to see that or what tips you might have. After seeing your setup I want to do my headlights. Yours looks bad@ss
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| celia1 (685hp) | Quote: Originally written by BMW550AD Hello Ickdeep. I love your driver and great job on this thread. I really enjoy following how you modify your F10. I saw a post where you said your brother tinted your taillights/headlights and you said you would post a video tutorial. I'd love to see that or what tips you might have. After seeing your setup I want to do my headlights. Yours looks bad@ss. Thank you very much, I really appreciate it. Yes, he did it (cost me materials and Taco Bell). I'll ask him if he can do it again with another car, I don't really want to break mine right now. Feel free to ask questions about other mods too. A few more photos from Monday
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| chicken12 (274hp) | Today my little brother is supposed to drive to university in my car, the camera was in the trunk, so he took a few photos
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| 001453 (615hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Ickdeep. I let my little brother drive to college in my car today and the camera was in the trunk so he took a few photos. Ahhhhh... What a good big brother!!
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| bitchs (98hp) | The car looks great, Paaji! What's next???
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| ballin08 (516hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ezaircon4jc Ahhhhh... What a good big brother!! I'm trying, haha. He helped me get to where I am now, so I can't complain too much. He also washes my car. Quote: Originally posted by xxpanipuri. The car looks amazing, Paaji! What's next? Thank you very much! At the moment I think I'm done working on it for a while. Now there is some maintenance work to be done. Might do the front brakes this weekend and the spark plugs later this month.
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| trustingod (479hp) | Quote: Originally posted by xxpanipuri Car looks great Paaji! What's next? Haha...that's something we all do, isn't it? What's next??
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| 041284 (147hp) | Replace the front pads and front rotor surfaces today. It wasn't really difficult. There are a total of three screws for each side. Took maybe 2-3 hours, I'll post more photos later .
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| altoids1 (735hp) | EDIT: Doppelpost
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| 17101983 (505hp) | Rolling shots are always CUTE! until the guy drops his camera
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| jeanclaude (516hp) | Quote: Originally written by Ickdeep. I like the khanda hanging on the mirror of your car...I have mine on the back window.
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| SanFranciscoBeemer (601hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Spc Rax Quote: Originally posted by Ickdeep I like the khanda hanging on the mirror of your car...I have mine on the back window. Close-up
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| sweet25 (839hp) | Quote: Originally written by Spc Rax. Close-up. This is great! Apna here!
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| pianoman1 (761hp) | last shot before the snow
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| 30081983 (604hp) | Quote: Originally written by lsturbointeg Nice! Ick...your car sent me a PM and she said to please convince you to put it on springs or coilovers as it looks bulky but wants to touch the ground! I finally decided to do it. I got some H&R springs and installed them on Saturday evening. It took about four hours, but it was worth it. The main reason it took so long was rusty screws. Used a spring compressor from an auto parts store. It has settled down a bit, but hopefully I'll see more results after the springs settle down. An alignment then takes place. I'll take some proper photos later this week. Pictures!
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| familyof4 (922hp) | It's about damn TIME! She looks fucking RIDICULOUS! Look at this pose! That's what I'm talking about! Now just a few skirt extensions and call it a day. Actually, I would also darken the roof and you're in the right place
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| polgara (960hp) | Quote: Originally posted by lsturbointeg It's about damn TIME! She looks fucking RIDICULOUS! Look at this pose! That's what I'm talking about! Now just a few skirt extensions and call it a day. Actually, I would also darken the roof and you are spot on. Haha, thanks! Hopefully it will go a little deeper when the springs finally snap into place. I'm debating the valance extensions, but I'm not about the black roof. Maybe a small roof spoiler.
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| villegas (848hp) | I was now able to go out and take some decent photos of the car. More will follow
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| asbur (372hp) | Front and back shots
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| flipper2 (72hp) | Wow! Looks great lowered!
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| sonrisa (312hp) | Hello Ickdeep. I love your driver and great job on this thread. I really enjoy following how you modify your F10. I saw a post where you said your brother tinted your taillights/headlights and you said you would post a video tutorial. I'd love to see that or what tips you might have. After seeing your setup I want to do my headlights. Yours looks bad@ss
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| grape1 (503hp) | Quote: Originally written by BMW550AD Hello Ickdeep. I love your driver and great job on this thread. I really enjoy following how you modify your F10. I saw a post where you said your brother tinted your taillights/headlights and you said you would post a video tutorial. I'd love to see that or what tips you might have. After seeing your setup I want to do my headlights. Yours looks bad@ss. Thank you very much, I really appreciate it. Yes, he did it (cost me materials and Taco Bell). I'll ask him if he can do it again with another car, I don't really want to break mine right now. Feel free to ask questions about other mods too. A few more photos from Monday
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| geoffrey (359hp) | Today my little brother is supposed to drive to university in my car, the camera was in the trunk, so he took a few photos
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| volgograd (626hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Ickdeep. I let my little brother drive to college in my car today and the camera was in the trunk so he took a few photos. Ahhhhh... What a good big brother!!
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| ghueser (690hp) | The car looks great, Paaji! What's next???
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| ramadan (950hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ezaircon4jc Ahhhhh... What a good big brother!! I'm trying, haha. He helped me get to where I am now, so I can't complain too much. He also washes my car. Quote: Originally posted by xxpanipuri. The car looks amazing, Paaji! What's next? Thank you very much! At the moment I think I'm done working on it for a while. Now there is some maintenance work to be done. Might do the front brakes this weekend and the spark plugs later this month.
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| kruger (959hp) | Quote: Originally posted by xxpanipuri Car looks great Paaji! What's next? Haha...that's something we all do, isn't it? What's next??
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| goober2 (168hp) | Replace the front pads and front rotor surfaces today. It wasn't really difficult. There are a total of three screws for each side. Took maybe 2-3 hours, I'll post more photos later .
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| ashley02 (102hp) | I need new struts/shock absorbers, but my F10 has electronic damping control. I don't want to spend $2400 on new shocks. Anyone can replace the electronic dampers and deactivate the electronic dampening or at least clear the error codes?
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| mircea (616hp) | Buy coilovers and code EDC/DDC. I did that.
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| greedy (566hp) | Quote: Originally written by VNGNCE5 Buy coilovers and code EDC/DDC. I did that. How hard is it to decode it? I've been thinking about coilovers for a while.
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| mjposner (98hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Ickdeep Quote: Originally posted by VNGNCE5 Buy coilovers and code EDC/DDC. I did that. How hard is it to decode it? I've been thinking about coilovers for a while. Quote: Originally written by VNGNCE5 Buy coilovers and code EDC/DDC. I did that. +1. Quote: Originally written by Ickdeep. How hard is it to code it? I've been thinking about coilovers for a while. It's very simple. If you know how to create VO code, you're good to go.
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| bangdar (820hp) | Quote: Originally posted by r33_RGSport +1. It's very simple. If you know how to create VO code, you're good to go. I programmed with Inpa E90s. Is that similar??.
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| today123 (928hp) | Quote: Originally written by lichtgelb I programmed on E90s with Inpa. Is that similar? Hah, I've never programmed for the E series. Therefore I cannot answer you.
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| 18041991 (971hp) | I need new struts/shock absorbers, but my F10 has electronic damping control. I don't want to spend $2400 on new shocks. Anyone can replace the electronic dampers and deactivate the electronic dampening or at least clear the error codes?
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| summer18 (465hp) | Buy coilovers and code EDC/DDC. I did that.
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| f32slowspeed (535hp) | Quote: Originally written by VNGNCE5 Buy coilovers and code EDC/DDC. I did that. How hard is it to decode it? I've been thinking about coilovers for a while.
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| Maxwell1 (454hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Ickdeep Quote: Originally posted by VNGNCE5 Buy coilovers and code EDC/DDC. I did that. How hard is it to decode it? I've been thinking about coilovers for a while. Quote: Originally written by VNGNCE5 Buy coilovers and code EDC/DDC. I did that. +1. Quote: Originally written by Ickdeep. How hard is it to code it? I've been thinking about coilovers for a while. It's very simple. If you know how to create VO code, you're good to go.
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| thomas17 (460hp) | Quote: Originally posted by r33_RGSport +1. It's very simple. If you know how to create VO code, you're good to go. I programmed on E90s with Inpa. Is that similar??.
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| kelly23 (794hp) | Quote: Originally written by lichtgelb I programmed on E90s with Inpa. Is that similar? Hah, I've never programmed for the E series. Therefore I cannot answer you.
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| 140687 (350hp) | Unfortunately, I suffered a setback a few days ago. Typical fender bender, the driver behind me was able to stop in time, but the one behind her couldn't. I've decided not to let it bother me too much, these things happen and everyone is fine, the damage (at the moment - I've only been to the body shop but not the actual service area) doesn't appear to be major and will be Fixed pretty quickly by the BMW body shop great reputation. At the end of the day, it's just a car that's properly repaired. Which makes me wonder what's wrong with me? Ask. I decided to have some fun with the rental in the meantime and picked up the Dodge Ram Outdoorsman from the rental company's parking lot amid a flood of Kias and Hyundais. I just wanted to try something different, I guess. I know next to nothing about these things, and while they would benefit my current active family life, I've never really considered owning a truck. My first reaction was: Wow, this thing is big and cynical, just like I thought, of course it has great cup holders, but after a few days I have to admit that this nice little 5.7 liter V8 Hemi, 395 hp and apparently weighs 400 pounds The torque is starting to grow on me. The cabin is incredibly well insulated and the engine and transmission appear to be in very good working order. It drives as I would expect from a huge 17-wheel pickup with massive sidewall tires, but it's a surprisingly comfortable long-distance cruiser. With the current promotion (11,000 off) for cash purchases, a truck like this can be purchased brand new for $38,000 CAD flat rate (for comparison, you can't get the base version of the BMW 320 these days). This one is pretty basic, I don't think there are many options other than 4x4, and it's literally brand new (3,000km on the clock) but I'm starting to feel like I could maybe live with it for a while - I do I have to be honest, I was a little ashamed at the time....lol PS. Yesterday's trip to the gas station provided some sobering facts and could ruin this honeymoon phase pretty quickly.
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| tatanka (44hp) | Quote: Originally written by Bbb34 Unfortunately, I fell behind a few days ago. Typical fender bender, the driver behind me was able to stop in time, but the one behind her couldn't. I've decided not to let it bother me too much, these things happen and everyone is fine, the damage (at the moment - I've only been to the body shop but not the actual service area) doesn't appear to be major and will be Fixed pretty quickly by the BMW body shop great reputation. At the end of the day, it's just a car that's properly repaired. Which makes me wonder what's wrong with me? Ask. I decided to have some fun with the rental in the meantime and picked up the Dodge Ram Outdoorsman from the rental company's parking lot amid a flood of Kias and Hyundais. I just wanted to try something different, I guess. I know next to nothing about these things, and while they would benefit my current active family life, I've never really considered owning a truck. My first reaction was: Wow, this thing is big and cynical, just like I thought, of course it has great cup holders, but after a few days I have to admit that this nice little 5.7 liter V8 Hemi, 395 hp and apparently weighs 400 pounds The torque is starting to grow on me. The cabin is incredibly well insulated and the engine and transmission appear to be in very good working order. It drives as I would expect from a huge 17-wheel pickup with massive sidewall tires, but it's a surprisingly comfortable long-distance cruiser. With the current promotion (11,000 off) for cash purchases, a truck like this can be purchased brand new for $38,000 CAD flat rate (for comparison, you can't get the base version of the BMW 320 these days). This one is pretty basic, I don't think there are many options other than 4x4, and it's literally brand new (3,000km on the clock) but I'm starting to feel like I could maybe live with it for a while - I do I have to be honest, I was a little ashamed at the time....lol PS. Yesterday's trip to the gas station provided some sobering facts and could ruin this honeymoon phase pretty quickly. There is nothing wrong with owning a truck. I have a Chevy Silverado along with my M5 when I need to haul lumber and other things. I would just say before you choose Dodge, test drive Ford and Chevy too. I owned a Ford F-350 Dually King Ranch that I purchased new in 2006 and it was the most comfortable vehicle I have ever driven. The seats were like lazy boy lounge chairs.
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| lowlow (78hp) | While I was shopping, I thought about whether I should buy a truck or a 550i. And I'm now toying with replacing my wife's 335i with a truck and giving her the 550i for child transport and I would take the truck daily. I would recommend taking a look at the F150 XLT. In my opinion, much nicer than the Ram. With its 3.5L Ecoboost turbo, you get the same power as the Ram but better mileage. Even the 2.7L is impressive. The Chevy/GMC is nice too, their V8 engines get decent mileage, they turn off the cylinders under light load, so it's essentially a V8 when you're on the gas and a V6 when you're driving. It's been a few years since I've driven all three in a row, but the Ford wins for me. Rented a Ram 3500 for a week, had to swap it (bad tire) for an F350 the last two days and wished we had had the 350 all along. This PowerStroke diesel is incredible! Frosted
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| malc410326 (464hp) | Brother! You must have a truck! I can't live without my truck. I use it for everything. E.g. moving, getting large items from the store, or lugging things around. I love my Nissan Titan so much that this itch has subsided!
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| cfdxtyrj (726hp) | Ha ha, thanks guys, you made me feel a bit better, but still... What I didn't communicate properly in my first post is that I'm far from even interested in owning a truck . Every other house in the neighborhood has one, and I've never been remotely tempted. Yes, I rented a few trucks a while back but never really saw the appeal. I've always assumed that you buy one when you need one, be it for business purposes, for towing, for living in a rural area, if you're going to use it for farm work, and whatever. But what this did for me is, um...yeah, now I kind of get it, it's not so bad. From what my friends tell me, no matter what their opinion is worth (one is a Ford F15 owner), Dodge isn't what they would personally choose, but honestly I've found there's a lot to like pleases. I'm sure the V8 helped me form a positive opinion since it's otherwise a pretty stripped down truck when it comes to options/luxuries. I would definitely compare a few of them before choosing my favorite. (Personally, I like the look of the Ford trucks best, they are a bit angular, but I find them the most robust - although that is of course subjective) We are also a very active family, mountain biking, skiing, camping, and often go on trips on lakes, on the sea I'm on the road all the time and have harsh winters where we live, so 4WD doesn't hurt (although my rear wheel drive is still fun in the winter). Now that I saw the light and thought about it a little, this would actually fit our lifestyle perfectly. Who knows, maybe one day. However, trips to the gas station are just brutal. If I ever decided to get one, I would most likely look for a diesel.
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| money12345 (960hp) | My truck is a long bed so it holds 37 gallons! Great for long trips, but the same goes for my neighborhood too. There is a truck in front of every household. I can't tell you how useful a truck is, especially as a homeowner. And that's why I need my sports sedan and a lifted truck. the best of both worlds! Good luck with your decision!
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| cisf0rcalvin (605hp) | Quote: Originally written by lsturbointeg. My truck is a long bed so it holds 37 gallons!.....YIKES!!!!!! At Costco this would be about $88 for one filling!
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| surveyor (876hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ezaircon4jc YIKES!!!!!! At Costco this would be about $88 for one filling! Gas is $1.94 at Sam's Club, so that's at least $71.78 here in OHIO
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| yendor (59hp) | Quote: Originally written by Bbb34. However, trips to the gas station are just brutal. If I ever chose one, I would most likely look for diesel. With the right truck/engine combination, in most cases you'll get the same MPG as the 535i, at least compared to our 335i and 550i. Twice the fuel capacity hurts, but refueling half as often is no different. Just stay away from the smaller diesel engines (Ram 1500 EcoDiesel and new Ford F150 Diesel), which are very unimpressive when you step on the pedal.
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| sharona (543hp) | I just got my Tacoma a few months ago. This is my Segway into the truck world and surprisingly I love it!! I'm not sure if I should buy out my Tacoma since I'm currently leasing it. I'm leaning toward the big trucks next, but this Tacome 6 SPD manual was pretty awesome!
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| 181279 (202hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ezaircon4jc YIKES!!!!!! At Costco this would be about $88 for one filling! Or $218 in the UK (that's not a typo)., $218!!)
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| bratz11 (91hp) | Quote: Originally posted by M5Beast_NYC I just got my Tacoma a few months ago. This is my Segway into the truck world and surprisingly I love it!! I'm not sure if I should buy out my Tacoma since I'm currently leasing it. I'm leaning towards the big trucks next, but this Tacome 6 SPD manual was pretty awesome! The Taco's are beautiful trucks, look great and are as reliable as the universe, but I hear the ride quality will be mind blowing. One of the few vehicles that you can drive for a few years and still sell for about the price you paid for it
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| bbb111 (7hp) | Quote: Originally posted by DaveCM5 Quote: Originally posted by Bbb34 Unfortunately, I fell behind a few days ago. Typical fender bender, the driver behind me was able to stop in time, but the one behind her couldn't. I've decided not to let it bother me too much, these things happen and everyone is fine, the damage (at the moment - I've only been to the body shop but not the actual service area) doesn't appear to be major and will be Fixed pretty quickly by the BMW body shop great reputation. At the end of the day, it's just a car that's properly repaired. Which makes me wonder what's wrong with me? Ask. I decided to have some fun with the rental in the meantime and picked up the Dodge Ram Outdoorsman from the rental company's parking lot amid a flood of Kias and Hyundais. I just wanted to try something different, I guess. I know next to nothing about these things, and while they would benefit my current active family life, I've never really considered owning a truck. My first reaction was: Wow, this thing is big and cynical, just like I thought, of course it has great cup holders, but after a few days I have to admit that this nice little 5.7 liter V8 Hemi, 395 hp and apparently weighs 400 pounds The torque is starting to grow on me. The cabin is incredibly well insulated and the engine and transmission appear to be in very good working order. It drives as I would expect from a huge 17-wheel pickup with massive sidewall tires, but it's a surprisingly comfortable long-distance cruiser. With the current promotion (11,000 off) for cash purchases, a truck like this can be purchased brand new for $38,000 CAD flat rate (for comparison, you can't get the base version of the BMW 320 these days). This one is pretty basic, I don't think there are many options other than 4x4, and it's literally brand new (3,000km on the clock) but I'm starting to feel like I could maybe live with it for a while - I do I have to be honest, I was a little ashamed at the time....lol PS. Yesterday's trip to the gas station provided some sobering facts and could ruin this honeymoon phase pretty quickly. There is nothing wrong with owning a truck. I have a Chevy Silverado along with my M5 when I need to haul lumber and other things. I would just say before you choose Dodge, test drive Ford and Chevy too. I owned a Ford F-350 Dually King Ranch that I purchased new in 2006 and it was the most comfortable vehicle I have ever driven. The seats were like lazy boy lounge chairs. Yes...I always scoffed at domestic workers until I recently rode in a coworker's F150...I don't know what trim...but it had every bell and whistle you could imagine...including massage seats similar to an S -Class competition... better than my lumpy F10 massage!
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| christie1 (264hp) | Quote: Originally written by krautmeister Yes... I always made fun of the maids until I recently rode in a colleague's F150... I don't know what trim... but it had every bell and whistle imaginable.. . including massage seats that rivaled an S-Class... better than my lumpy F10 massage! Hard to believe. I'm sure the truck may have been nice, but honestly it didn't compare to an S-Class.
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| redneck101 (41hp) | Quote: Originally posted by lsturbointeg Quote: Originally posted by ezaircon4jc YIKES!!!!!! At Costco this would be about $88 for one filling! Gas is $1.94 at Sam's Club, so that's at least $71.78 here in OHIO. Down here in California we wish we could see prices like that. Right now the lowest prices in my area are around $2.50 at Costco or Sam's. I'm in the Inland Empire/Riverside County. If you come to Los Angeles the cheapest price is somewhere around 2.60 and in cash. So the refill would be pretty close to $100. Not long ago I actually filled up my SUV in IE for about $2.70. Edit: Added to that, the way things are going here with all the new taxes and laws, things could be looking up again.
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| ilovesteve (475hp) | Quote: Originally posted by saad2605 Here in California we wish we could see prices like this. Right now the lowest prices in my area are around $2.50 at Costco or Sam's. I'm in the Inland Empire/Riverside County. If you come to Los Angeles the cheapest price is somewhere around 2.60 and in cash. So the refill would be pretty close to $100. Not long ago I actually filled up my SUV in IE for about $2.70. Edit: Added to that, the way things are going here with all the new taxes and laws, things could be looking up again. The Costco near me has a premium of $2,699. Yes, I heard that gas taxes alone will be almost a dollar a gallon. I can't wait to move out of this congested state!!!
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| accident (320hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Quicksilv3r Quote: Originally posted by krautmeister Yes...I always scoffed at domestic workers until recently when I rode in a colleague's F150...I don't know what trim...but it had it every bell and whistle imaginable... including massage seats that rival an S-Class... better than my lumpy F10 massage! Hard to believe. I'm sure the truck may have been nice, but honestly it didn't compare to an S-Class. Only the massage function. It's foolish to say that an F150 can compete with an S-Class in every way. Go to the Ford dealer and take a look. It actually has a kneading function in the seats!
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| 1410 (706hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ezaircon4jc Quote: Originally posted by saad2605 Here in California we wish we could see prices like this. Right now the lowest prices in my area are around $2.50 at Costco or Sam's. I'm in the Inland Empire/Riverside County. If you come to Los Angeles the cheapest price is somewhere around 2.60 and in cash. So the refill would be pretty close to $100. Not long ago I actually filled up my SUV in IE for about $2.70. Edit: Added to that, the way things are going here with all the new taxes and laws, things could be looking up again. The Costco near me has a premium of $2,699. Yes, I heard that gas taxes alone will add up to almost a dollar per gallon. I can't wait to move out of this congested state!!! Oh, that sounds like so much fun. But yes, with Premium it's the same here. The prices I quoted were 87, assuming the Titan doesn't charge a premium. But if I saw these prices after living here, I might top up the premium for fun... well, probably not, but you get the idea.
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| jacob09 (398hp) | Why choose between a truck, SUV or F10? Buy one of each. F250 Discovery II 535XI
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| flasher (130hp) | Quote: Originally posted by M5Beast_NYC I just got my Tacoma a few months ago. This is my Segway into the truck world and surprisingly I love it!! I'm not sure if I should buy out my Tacoma since I'm currently leasing it. I'm leaning towards the big trucks next, but this Tacome 6 SPD manual was pretty awesome! Yes, the ride is a bit bumpy on New York streets. Next I might go for a full-size truck. And yes, the tacos have great resale value. I currently rent it and only pay $300/month including maintenance. : )
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| 120388 (297hp) | I have a 2014 Laramie Ram 2500 and surprisingly I would say the electronics (dash, radio, iPod/iPhone controls, voice controls, etc.) are light years ahead of my F10. It also has heated and ventilated seats, which should be standard on a BMW 5 Series but aren't. The main purpose is to tow a 35 foot trailer which is why I have the diesel. It's my second Ram diesel truck and I have no interest in switching back to gas. Better MPG, pulls like a freight train and drives extremely well. For those who say diesel maintenance is bad, this is a BMW forum, believe me, it's nothing compared to our F10.
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| lesego (611hp) | You could add a beater for utility reasons and keep the F10! I agree with the people here, even with a short bed it was hugely useful for DIY jobs. I get the same MPG...which is a function of my right foot at 8 mpg!
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| pakistan1947 (552hp) | Unfortunately, I suffered a setback a few days ago. Typical fender bender, the driver behind me was able to stop in time, but the one behind her couldn't. I've decided not to let it bother me too much, these things happen and everyone is fine, the damage (at the moment - I've only been to the body shop but not the actual service area) doesn't appear to be major and will be Fixed pretty quickly by the BMW body shop great reputation. At the end of the day, it's just a car that's properly repaired. Which makes me wonder what's wrong with me? Ask. I decided to have some fun with the rental in the meantime and picked up the Dodge Ram Outdoorsman from the rental company's parking lot amid a flood of Kias and Hyundais. I just wanted to try something different, I guess. I know next to nothing about these things, and while they would benefit my current active family life, I've never really considered owning a truck. My first reaction was: Wow, this thing is big and cynical, just like I thought, of course it has great cup holders, but after a few days I have to admit that this nice little 5.7 liter V8 Hemi, 395 hp and apparently weighs 400 pounds The torque is starting to grow on me. The cabin is incredibly well insulated and the engine and transmission appear to be in very good working order. It drives as I would expect from a huge 17-wheel pickup with massive sidewall tires, but it's a surprisingly comfortable long-distance cruiser. With the current promotion (11,000 off) for cash purchases, a truck like this can be purchased brand new for $38,000 CAD flat rate (for comparison, you can't get the base version of the BMW 320 these days). This one is pretty basic, I don't think there are many options other than 4x4, and it's literally brand new (3,000km on the clock) but I'm starting to feel like I could maybe live with it for a while - I do I have to be honest, I was a little ashamed at the time....lol PS. Yesterday's trip to the gas station provided some sobering facts and could ruin this honeymoon phase pretty quickly.
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| kakadu (162hp) | Quote: Originally written by Bbb34 Unfortunately, I fell behind a few days ago. Typical fender bender, the driver behind me was able to stop in time, but the one behind her couldn't. I've decided not to let it bother me too much, these things happen and everyone is fine, the damage (at the moment - I've only been to the body shop but not the actual service area) doesn't appear to be major and will be Fixed pretty quickly by the BMW body shop great reputation. At the end of the day, it's just a car that's properly repaired. Which makes me wonder what's wrong with me? Ask. I decided to have some fun with the rental in the meantime and picked up the Dodge Ram Outdoorsman from the rental company's parking lot amid a flood of Kias and Hyundais. I just wanted to try something different, I guess. I know next to nothing about these things, and while they would benefit my current active family life, I've never really considered owning a truck. My first reaction was: Wow, this thing is big and cynical, just like I thought, of course it has great cup holders, but after a few days I have to admit that this nice little 5.7 liter V8 Hemi, 395 hp and apparently weighs 400 pounds The torque is starting to grow on me. The cabin is incredibly well insulated and the engine and transmission appear to be in very good working order. It drives as I would expect from a huge 17-wheel pickup with massive sidewall tires, but it's a surprisingly comfortable long-distance cruiser. With the current promotion (11,000 off) for cash purchases, a truck like this can be purchased brand new for $38,000 CAD flat rate (for comparison, you can't get the base version of the BMW 320 these days). This one is pretty basic, I don't think there are many options other than 4x4, and it's literally brand new (3,000km on the clock) but I'm starting to feel like I could maybe live with it for a while - I do I have to be honest, I was a little ashamed at the time....lol PS. Yesterday's trip to the gas station provided some sobering facts and could ruin this honeymoon phase pretty quickly. There is nothing wrong with owning a truck. I have a Chevy Silverado along with my M5 when I need to haul lumber and other things. I would just say before you choose Dodge, test drive Ford and Chevy too. I owned a Ford F-350 Dually King Ranch that I purchased new in 2006 and it was the most comfortable vehicle I have ever driven. The seats were like lazy boy lounge chairs.
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| ginger09 (893hp) | While I was shopping, I thought about whether I should buy a truck or a 550i. And I'm now toying with replacing my wife's 335i with a truck and giving her the 550i for child transport and I would take the truck daily. I would recommend taking a look at the F150 XLT. In my opinion, much nicer than the Ram. With its 3.5L Ecoboost turbo, you get the same power as the Ram but better mileage. Even the 2.7L is impressive. The Chevy/GMC is nice too, their V8 engines get decent mileage, they turn off the cylinders under light load, so it's essentially a V8 when you're on the gas and a V6 when you're driving. It's been a few years since I've driven all three in a row, but the Ford wins for me. Rented a Ram 3500 for a week, had to swap it (bad tire) for an F350 the last two days and wished we had had the 350 all along. This PowerStroke diesel is incredible! Frosted
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| backstreetboys (592hp) | Brother! You must have a truck! I can't live without my truck. I use it for everything. E.g. moving, getting large items from the store, or lugging things around. I love my Nissan Titan so much that this itch has subsided!
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| wolf13 (784hp) | Ha ha, thanks guys, you made me feel a bit better, but still... What I didn't communicate properly in my first post is that I'm far from even interested in owning a truck . Every other house in the neighborhood has one, and I've never been remotely tempted. Yes, I rented a few trucks a while back but never really saw the appeal. I've always assumed that you buy one when you need one, be it for business purposes, for towing, for living in a rural area, if you're going to use it for farm work, and whatever. But what this did for me is, um...yeah, now I kind of get it, it's not so bad. From what my friends tell me, no matter what their opinion is worth (one is a Ford F15 owner), Dodge isn't what they would personally choose, but honestly I've found there's a lot to like pleases. I'm sure the V8 helped me form a positive opinion since it's otherwise a pretty stripped down truck when it comes to options/luxuries. I would definitely compare a few of them before choosing my favorite. (Personally, I like the look of the Ford trucks best, they are a bit angular, but I find them the most robust - although that is of course subjective) We are also a very active family, mountain biking, skiing, camping, and often go on trips on lakes, on the sea I'm on the road all the time and have harsh winters where we live, so 4WD doesn't hurt (although my rear wheel drive is still fun in the winter). Now that I saw the light and thought about it a little, this would actually fit our lifestyle perfectly. Who knows, maybe one day. However, trips to the gas station are just brutal. If I ever decided to get one, I would most likely look for a diesel.
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| Lee1224 (680hp) | My truck is a long bed so it holds 37 gallons! Great for long trips, but the same goes for my neighborhood too. There is a truck in front of every household. I can't tell you how useful a truck is, especially as a homeowner. And that's why I need my sports sedan and a lifted truck. the best of both worlds! Good luck with your decision!
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| Therdleg (320hp) | Quote: Originally written by lsturbointeg. My truck is a long bed so it holds 37 gallons!.....YIKES!!!!!! At Costco this would be about $88 for one filling!
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| brennen (542hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ezaircon4jc YIKES!!!!!! At Costco this would be about $88 for one filling! Gas is $1.94 at Sam's Club, so that's at least $71.78 here in OHIO
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| vitrics (293hp) | Quote: Originally written by Bbb34. However, trips to the gas station are just brutal. If I ever chose one, I would most likely look for diesel. With the right truck/engine combination, in most cases you'll get the same MPG as the 535i, at least compared to our 335i and 550i. Twice the fuel capacity hurts, but refueling half as often is no different. Just stay away from the smaller diesel engines (Ram 1500 EcoDiesel and new Ford F150 Diesel), which are very unimpressive when you step on the pedal.
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| fuckhim1 (233hp) | I just got my Tacoma a few months ago. This is my Segway into the truck world and surprisingly I love it!! I'm not sure if I should buy out my Tacoma since I'm currently leasing it. I'm leaning toward the big trucks next, but this Tacome 6 SPD manual was pretty awesome!
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| -=Hot|Ice=- (300hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ezaircon4jc YIKES!!!!!! At Costco this would be about $88 for one filling! Or $218 in the UK (that's not a typo)., $218!!)
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| 25101977 (885hp) | Quote: Originally posted by M5Beast_NYC I just got my Tacoma a few months ago. This is my Segway into the truck world and surprisingly I love it!! I'm not sure if I should buy out my Tacoma since I'm currently leasing it. I'm leaning towards the big trucks next, but this Tacome 6 SPD manual was pretty awesome! The Taco's are beautiful trucks, look great and are as reliable as the universe, but I hear the ride quality will be mind blowing. One of the few vehicles that you can drive for a few years and still sell for about the price you paid for it
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| limited1 (11hp) | Quote: Originally posted by DaveCM5 Quote: Originally posted by Bbb34 Unfortunately, I fell behind a few days ago. Typical fender bender, the driver behind me was able to stop in time, but the one behind her couldn't. I've decided not to let it bother me too much, these things happen and everyone is fine, the damage (at the moment - I've only been to the body shop but not the actual service area) doesn't appear to be major and will be Fixed pretty quickly by the BMW body shop great reputation. At the end of the day, it's just a car that's properly repaired. Which makes me wonder what's wrong with me? Ask. I decided to have some fun with the rental in the meantime and picked up the Dodge Ram Outdoorsman from the rental company's parking lot amid a flood of Kias and Hyundais. I just wanted to try something different, I guess. I know next to nothing about these things, and while they would benefit my current active family life, I've never really considered owning a truck. My first reaction was: Wow, this thing is big and cynical, just like I thought, of course it has great cup holders, but after a few days I have to admit that this nice little 5.7 liter V8 Hemi, 395 hp and apparently weighs 400 pounds The torque is starting to grow on me. The cabin is incredibly well insulated and the engine and transmission appear to be in very good working order. It drives as I would expect from a huge 17-wheel pickup with massive sidewall tires, but it's a surprisingly comfortable long-distance cruiser. With the current promotion (11,000 off) for cash purchases, a truck like this can be purchased brand new for $38,000 CAD flat rate (for comparison, you can't get the base version of the BMW 320 these days). This one is pretty basic, I don't think there are many options other than 4x4, and it's literally brand new (3,000km on the clock) but I'm starting to feel like I could maybe live with it for a while - I do I have to be honest, I was a little ashamed at the time....lol PS. Yesterday's trip to the gas station provided some sobering facts and could ruin this honeymoon phase pretty quickly. There is nothing wrong with owning a truck. I have a Chevy Silverado along with my M5 when I need to haul lumber and other things. I would just say before you choose Dodge, test drive Ford and Chevy too. I owned a Ford F-350 Dually King Ranch that I purchased new in 2006 and it was the most comfortable vehicle I have ever driven. The seats were like lazy boy lounge chairs. Yes...I always scoffed at domestic workers until I recently rode in a coworker's F150...I don't know what trim...but it had every bell and whistle you could imagine...including massage seats similar to an S -Class competition... better than my lumpy F10 massage!
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| 120598 (854hp) | Quote: Originally written by krautmeister Yes... I always made fun of the maids until I recently rode in a colleague's F150... I don't know what trim... but it had every bell and whistle imaginable.. . including massage seats that rivaled an S-Class... better than my lumpy F10 massage! Hard to believe. I'm sure the truck may have been nice, but honestly it didn't compare to an S-Class.
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| animals123 (336hp) | Quote: Originally posted by lsturbointeg Quote: Originally posted by ezaircon4jc YIKES!!!!!! At Costco this would be about $88 for one filling! Gas is $1.94 at Sam's Club, so that's at least $71.78 here in OHIO. Down here in California we wish we could see prices like that. Right now the lowest prices in my area are around $2.50 at Costco or Sam's. I'm in the Inland Empire/Riverside County. If you come to Los Angeles the cheapest price is somewhere around 2.60 and in cash. So the refill would be pretty close to $100. Not long ago I actually filled up my SUV in IE for about $2.70. Edit: Added to that, the way things are going here with all the new taxes and laws, things could be looking up again.
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| nico1234 (69hp) | Quote: Originally posted by saad2605 Here in California we wish we could see prices like this. Right now the lowest prices in my area are around $2.50 at Costco or Sam's. I'm in the Inland Empire/Riverside County. If you come to Los Angeles the cheapest price is somewhere around 2.60 and in cash. So the refill would be pretty close to $100. Not long ago I actually filled up my SUV in IE for about $2.70. Edit: Added to that, the way things are going here with all the new taxes and laws, things could be looking up again. The Costco near me has a premium of $2,699. Yes, I heard that gas taxes alone will be almost a dollar a gallon. I can't wait to move out of this congested state!!!
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| 25101986 (711hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Quicksilv3r Quote: Originally posted by krautmeister Yes...I always scoffed at domestic workers until recently when I rode in a colleague's F150...I don't know what trim...but it had it every bell and whistle imaginable... including massage seats that rival an S-Class... better than my lumpy F10 massage! Hard to believe. I'm sure the truck may have been nice, but honestly it didn't compare to an S-Class. Only the massage function. It's foolish to say that an F150 can compete with an S-Class in every way. Go to the Ford dealer and take a look. It actually has a kneading function in the seats!
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| demarco (15hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ezaircon4jc Quote: Originally posted by saad2605 Here in California we wish we could see prices like this. Right now the lowest prices in my area are around $2.50 at Costco or Sam's. I'm in the Inland Empire/Riverside County. If you come to Los Angeles the cheapest price is somewhere around 2.60 and in cash. So the refill would be pretty close to the $100 mark. Not long ago I actually filled up my SUV in IE for about $2.70. Edit: Added to that, the way things are going here with all the new taxes and laws, things could be looking up again. The Costco near me has a premium of $2,699. Yes, I heard that gas taxes alone will add up to almost a dollar per gallon. I can't wait to move out of this congested state!!! Oh, that sounds like so much fun. But yes, with Premium it's the same here. The prices I quoted were 87, assuming the Titan doesn't charge a premium. But if I saw these prices after living here, I might top up the premium for fun... well, probably not, but you get the idea.
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| nbvjityrj (812hp) | Why choose between a truck, SUV or F10? Buy one of each. F250 Discovery II 535XI
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| mexico23 (645hp) | Quote: Originally posted by M5Beast_NYC I just got my Tacoma a few months ago. This is my Segway into the truck world and surprisingly I love it!! I'm not sure if I should buy out my Tacoma since I'm currently leasing it. I'm leaning towards the big trucks next, but this Tacome 6 SPD manual was pretty awesome! Yes, the ride is a bit bumpy on New York streets. Next I might go for a full-size truck. And yes, the tacos have great resale value. I currently rent it and only pay $300/month including maintenance. : )
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| alpha5 (28hp) | I have a 2014 Laramie Ram 2500 and surprisingly I would say the electronics (dash, radio, iPod/iPhone controls, voice controls, etc.) are light years ahead of my F10. It also has heated and ventilated seats, which should be standard on a BMW 5 Series but aren't. The main purpose is to tow a 35 foot trailer which is why I have the diesel. It's my second Ram diesel truck and I have no interest in switching back to gas. Better MPG, pulls like a freight train and drives extremely well. For those who say diesel maintenance is bad, this is a BMW forum, believe me, it's nothing compared to our F10.
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| mustang99 (49hp) | You could add a beater for utility reasons and keep the F10! I agree with the people here, even with a short bed it was hugely useful for DIY jobs. I get the same MPG...which is a function of my right foot at 8 mpg!
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| JAM (618hp) | I have a 2014 535D I looked like crazy
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| 222333444 (552hp) | I have a 2014 535D I looked like crazy
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| Nathalie (236hp) | Exactly what he said!!! Quote: Originally written by DDD31 The handling of my F10 is definitely a mixed bag. As far as sporty handling goes, the 550 is too nose-heavy and definitely not agile and really doesn't inspire confidence when the road gets twisty. I realized that with the XDrive I have the base suspension and the poor RFTs, which certainly doesn't help the sporty handling. When it comes to handling in normal driving (particularly when driving on the highway), the 550 does a fantastic job of providing a smooth, comfortable ride and a real joy to drive. I hate to say it, but to me the F10 feels and drives like a Mercedes. I realize that BMW's goal was to make the F10 5 series more like a Mercedes in order to increase their sales. I think they succeeded in that goal, but unfortunately the days of BMW building a sports sedan that would outdo all competitors in the driver category are not coming back.
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| love121 (140hp) | Quote: Originally posted by S1ammin I can't even say my car has electric steering. It feels as stiff as any and stiffer than some other non-BMW cars I've ever owned. I agree, the only difference I notice between the electric and hydraulic steering on the F10 is that the hydraulic steering gives a slightly better on-center feel than the electric steering. Unfortunately, both steering systems lack driving feel, especially compared to previous BMWs.
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| 200382 (617hp) | These (base 535i 2012 and 535i M-Sport 2014) are my first BMWs and I couldn't be happier. The M handles much better than the base, although I'm happy with how the base handles. The 5 is a big car and will NEVER act like a 3 or any small car. In my opinion, BMW has achieved its goal. I don't have any problems with the steering either. It centers quite well for me. I know I could never drive an MB as long as they have the same gear lever as the windshield wiper lever on most other cars. As often as it rains here, I would probably flick the gear shift thinking I was turning on the wipers!
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| rain123 (769hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ezaircon4jc These (base 2012 535i and 2014 535i M-Sport) are my first BMWs and I couldn't be happier. The M handles much better than the base, although I'm happy with how the base handles. The 5 is a big car and will NEVER act like a 3 or any small car. In my opinion, BMW has achieved its goal. I don't have any problems with the steering either. It centers quite well for me. I know I could never drive an MB as long as they have the same gear lever as the windshield wiper lever on most other cars. As often as it rains here, I would probably flick the gear stick thinking I was turning on the wipers! I have no real issues with the EPS or handling of my 535i. I feel pretty much the same way: the Five is a big car and will never compare to previous generations, let alone a Three. The entire front suspension is different whether we have hydraulic or EPS. It is more sophisticatedly designed. After all, it's a step down from the F01 7-series, not a step forward from the F30. BMW claimed that the (then new) front wishbone suspension mitigated some of the negative road influences. For me, this means that some of the “rawness” of the steering, which we perceive as feedback, is lost. The C&D comparison of hydraulics and EPS in the F10 chassis shows that it's not just EPS that changes the way we perceive the F10 steering. Both the steering and handling of the F10/F11 range depend heavily on how we specify the vehicles. We don't always compare the same chassis dynamics in these discussions. Specifications and expectations result in a wide range of opinions.
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| mamie (768hp) | The car is big and heavy, but I have no complaints about the powerful 550 xdrive. My car is fully loaded, accept night vision (no regrets) + stored on ACS springs and it drives well in my opinion. Definitely no floating around corners. I can hardly imagine driving a base 5 Series, even one with TTV8. Great car, but drives like the E series. So most of you are right about it being a boat without proper options and springs (threaded gears).).
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| bebe23 (726hp) | Quote: Originally written by Douggie Yes. It's not just the weight. Heavy steering doesn't equal sporty, which BMW somehow got wrong with Sport mode. Yes, the steering does become heavier when triggered, but that's it. Still pretty lifeless. What is missing is counter resistance from the steering wheel where the steering kicks back. The pull to return to the center is very small. So when you're done with an abrupt turn, you need to assist the steering to get back on center. On the other hand, in some cars, such as the e90, it is enough to press the accelerator and the car quickly returns to the center position on its own, and you simply make a controlled movement of the steering wheel under your hands. In the F10 it takes a lot more work to steer the car and that's why it feels slow and not sporty at all. Yes, that. The weight of the steering must be reduced by the centering force in addition to the reduced boost. The higher your speed, the greater the centering force (instead of feeling like you're driving a video game). A lot of feedback about the road surface and reaching the traction limit is also expressed in this centering force. I have an F10 I feel it is superior to the E39 recirculating ball steering and the other front end of the V8 E39 models but more boosted. The F10's steering ratio is also noticeably slower than the E90, adding to the big, slow feel, and the mechanical advantage the driver gains from the slower steering reduces steering effort and feedback. I've never driven an LCI, but people say it's noticeably better. I would still like to know why – redesigned rack? revised pump? Or is it just an improvement over the electric assist models and are just software improvements??
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| andrew26 (15hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Surly73 I've never driven an LCI, but people say it's significantly better. I would still like to know why – redesigned rack? revised pump? Or is it just an improvement over the electric assist models and are they just software improvements? My car is hydraulically equipped and I agree with your assessment that the steering is quite slow, which makes it feel like a big, cumbersome car. My previous car (F30) had electric steering which was much faster but had even less feel. I really prefer the hydraulic steering feel on my F10, especially the on-center steering feel.
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| mybusiness (356hp) | I hope that the improved stabilizers will help me enjoy the car more. I came from a 2000 BMW 750il with coilovers. Unfortunately, the only fun I have with my 550 is going straight. My E38 was fantastic for such a big car. Steering weight was perfect, highway handling was great, lots of confidence cornering and virtually no body roll. I really miss my E38! But I'm going to do a few more things to the F10 to get it to where it should have been from the factory.
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| mittens (236hp) | I throw the grease on my 535, it spins pretty hard and nothing gives me more pleasure than her squeak when her bottom starts to come off a bit. As I mentioned earlier, push your car a little more, and the more you do it, the more you'll learn what your car can do!
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| bugmenot (359hp) | Although I'm quite happy with the basic chassis of the 535d, I have a different opinion about Mercedes. My 2005 E320 CDI had the deluxe suspension as standard, handled quite well (maybe even better than the BMW) and never screeched no matter how fast I took the corners, which was never excessive but rather brisk. Both feature a double wishbone front suspension and a multi-link rear suspension - in my opinion the best design outside of a 911/Cayman/Boxster sports car setup with Macpherson struts. I was looking for a comfortable highway cruiser, wanted a straight-six turbo diesel and bought it new for used CPO money. The D comes with upgraded tires, including all-season tires and RFT tires. It's not a sports car, but still a BMW. It is known that the steering and driving feel of the LCI f10 were taken from BMW. No complaints.
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| BajandoDuro (444hp) | Quote: Originally written by Pierre Louis Although I'm quite happy with the basic chassis of the 535d, I have a different opinion about Mercedes. My 2005 E320 CDI had the deluxe suspension as standard, handled quite well (maybe even better than the BMW) and never screeched no matter how fast I took the corners, which was never excessive but rather brisk. Both feature a double wishbone front suspension and a multi-link rear suspension - in my opinion the best design outside of a 911/Cayman/Boxster sports car setup with Macpherson struts. Disagree with the McPherson strut setup. Struts are a compromise to accommodate the space limitations of the FWD platform. The double wishbone (or upper and lower A-arms) is a superior device when done correctly. My last car also had upper and lower control arms on the rear corners. It was designed by a man who worked as a chassis engineer for a little-known Formula 1 team. A guy named Michael Schumacher...
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| 180884 (983hp) | Quote: Originally written by ezaircon4jc. Disagree with the McPherson strut setup. Struts are a compromise to accommodate the space limitations of the FWD platform. The double wishbone (or upper and lower A-arms) is a superior device when done correctly. My last car also had upper and lower control arms on the rear corners. It was designed by a man who worked as a chassis engineer for a little-known Formula 1 team. A guy named Michael Schumacher... It all depends on your preference for a strong tilt of the steering axis, which provides favorable cornering geometry and feel. However, there is no doubt that double wishbones/double A-arms are more demanding. PL
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| motherfucker1 (21hp) | Quote: Originally posted by DDD31 I agree, the only difference I notice between the electric and hydraulic steering on the F10 is that the hydraulic steering gives a slightly better on-center feel than the electric steering. Unfortunately, both steering systems lack driving feel, especially compared to previous BMWs. It's funny though. I feel like the steering wheel prefers to return to the center position almost as much as a hydraulic steering wheel would, and since the M-Sport has a firmer suspension, I can clearly feel the front tire bouncing when cornering aggressively on rough roads. I also expect the driving experience to be even closer to what I've had in the past once I buy non-RF tires, but as it stands now I really like the way this car drives. The “feeling” I had when test driving all the BMWs convinced me to buy BMW. However, I had little trouble deciding between this suspension and the others I tried.
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| reg (382hp) | Quote: Originally written by Douggie What is missing is a counter resistance from the steering wheel where the steering kicks back. The pull to return to the center is very small. So when you're done with an abrupt turn, you need to assist the steering to get back on center. On the other hand, in some cars, such as the e90, it is enough to press the accelerator and the car quickly returns to the center position on its own, and you simply make a controlled movement of the steering wheel under your hands. In the F10 it takes a lot more work to steer the car and that's why it feels slow and not sporty at all. I return to the “back to center” levels of the F10/F11 models. In addition to the natural “self-centering,” there is also the strain on the steering when cornering and at high speeds. I'm interested in other users' experiences as there seem to be variations. Some say the load is light when cornering and even less pulling back toward the center. I have paid special attention to my car in the last few days as I have never noticed any problem or defect in self-centering or loading in the "curves". I switched from an E91 to the F11, which some say is a pretty good HPAS steering system, both in terms of steering speed and response and feedback. I appreciate that the rack on the F10/11 is quite slow and the steering is less loaded, but I don't find much difference in how the steering feels when it centers itself or loads up as expected. Of course it's different than the E91, but that's to be expected with the larger car with a longer wheelbase. What I noticed during a test drive before purchasing my car was an example with SAT (my car has the Sport Auto transmission) that had better steering responses than the standard car models. What are the experiences of other users? Have other users found that SAT (or other options) provide different steering characteristics??
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| coffee12 (99hp) | Quote: Originally posted by NA F10 Quote: Originally posted by HighlandPete I come back to the levels of return to center on the F10/F11 models. In addition to the natural “self-centering,” there is also the strain on the steering when cornering and at high speeds. I'm interested in other users' experiences as there seem to be variations. Some say the load is light when cornering and even less pulling back toward the center. I have paid special attention to my car in the last few days as I have never noticed any problem or defect in self-centering or loading in the "curves". I switched from an E91 to the F11, which some say is a pretty good HPAS steering system, both in terms of steering speed and response and feedback. I appreciate that the rack on the F10/11 is quite slow and the steering is less loaded, but I don't find much difference in how the steering feels when it centers itself or loads up as expected. Of course it's different than the E91, but that's to be expected with the larger car with a longer wheelbase. What I noticed during a test drive before purchasing my car was an example with SAT (my car has the Sport Auto transmission) that had better steering responses than the standard car models. What are the experiences of other users? Have other users found that SAT (or other options) provide different steering characteristics? My steering is quite strong and heavy (feels like an E90 but with less feel). My steering made this very strange clicking noise when I straightened the wheel at high speed. While this is no longer the case, a little effort is still required to straighten the wheel. I find the steering rack to be quite precise and maneuverable for such a heavy car. Overall, I like the steering on this car. Installing 19-inch rims with summer tires made a big difference in steering precision. The performance suspension would make the steering even sharper. I've always wondered if the steering would turn faster if I went with 19 inches and a smaller tire width. My response on 20s with wider tires is delayed if I turn in without feeling.
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| qwe123zxc (892hp) | Quote: Originally written by Bmw Doubles. I always wondered if I would go back to 19 inches and a smaller tire width if the steering turned faster. My response on 20s with wider tires is delayed if I turn in without feeling. I doubt it will make a difference. As some of us said, the steering rack is slow (the steering ratio is low) so you have to turn the steering wheel a lot before the wheel actually turns. I'm on 19 and I can intentionally move the steering wheel back and forth anywhere between 11 and 1 o'clock (maybe around 30 degrees) but the car won't swerve much at all. I think the enormous length of the car with the long wheelbase doesn't help either. It is comparable to driving a long bus.
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| 3syqo15hil (716hp) | Quote: Originally written by Douggie. I doubt it will make a difference. As some of us said, the steering rack is slow (the steering ratio is low) so you have to turn the steering wheel a lot before the wheel actually turns. I'm on 19 and I can intentionally move the steering wheel back and forth anywhere between 11 and 1 o'clock (maybe around 30 degrees) but the car won't swerve much at all. I think the enormous length of the car with the long wheelbase doesn't help either. It is comparable to driving a long bus. A few notes: It's true that the F10 steering is generally slow. Hydraulic and electrical assistance can vary significantly. More importantly, some electric assistance systems can vary their ratio depending on conditions. I'm not optimistic about the F10, but an F30 rental car I had for sure seemed to have a faster gear ratio when driving in a parking lot (the wheel turned less than one revolution in each direction lock-to-lock and I crossed his arms). was enough for tight corners for parking) than on the street (where I had a large radius from one four-lane road to the next at high speed by folding my arms). If you add to this the possibility of having different steering ratios depending on COMFORT, SPORT, etc., it is difficult to generalize. A year ago, in an Infinity commercial, a guy went through the on-board steering menu and selected FAST and FIRM for a sporty ride. My F10 has hydraulic steering. It's definitely slower than I'd like. My E90 is almost perfect in this regard.
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| grezlikowski (576hp) | Quote: Originally written by Surly73. A few comments: It's true that the F10 steering is generally slow. Hydraulic and electrical assistance can vary significantly. More importantly, some electric assistance systems can vary their ratio depending on conditions. I'm not optimistic about the F10, but an F30 rental car I had for sure seemed to have a faster gear ratio when driving in a parking lot (the wheel turned less than one revolution in each direction lock-to-lock and I crossed his arms). was enough for tight corners for parking) than on the street (where I had a large radius from one four-lane road to the next at high speed by folding my arms). If you add to this the possibility of having different steering ratios depending on COMFORT, SPORT, etc., it is difficult to generalize. A year ago, in an Infinity commercial, a guy went through the on-board steering menu and selected FAST and FIRM for a sporty ride. My F10 has hydraulic steering. It's definitely slower than I'd like. My E90 is almost perfect in this regard. The F30 you drove may have the Variable Sport Steering option. It makes things faster, but it's still bad. http://www.richardaucock.com/blog/how-a-bmw-launch-car-mis-spec-lost-it-a-review-star
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| purple02 (298hp) | Quote: Originally written by Douggie. The F30 you drove may have the Variable Sport Steering option. It makes things faster, but it's still bad. http://www.richardaucock.com/blog/ho...-a-review-star I never said it was good compared to previous years. It annoys me and leads to great misunderstanding and misinformation when generalizations come to light Posters do not recognize that there are many differences even within a single model. F10s are nose heavy - did you drive a 550xi or a 520i RWD? BMW NAV sucks – CCC? CIC? NBT? NBT Evo? F10s corner flat – DDC? ARS? 704? passive basic suspension? It's a shame that BMW isn't doing everything it can with EPS. A nice EPS rack with good software (and customization) could really win in this area. As the Infiniti commercial showed: How firm and fast do you want your steering to be? Just dial it in. I long for more steering feedback. I remember when I had PS2 in my E39 (with the inline-6 front end - much better than the V8), I could feel reflective paint on the road (SCHOOL ZONE AHEAD) through the steering wheel. From what I've read, the F10's suspension geometry tunes some of this regardless of whether you have EPS or HPS. This could be because they want a luxury cruiser. Or because X-Drive is so widespread and you would get a lot of torque steer with geometry optimized for feedback. Or maybe it's the harsh runflat characteristics - I actually get feedback in the steering of my HPS X-Drive, but it's rarely good or sporty feedback. Usually it's the run flats that crash and bounce over small bumps in the road. FWIW, I'm forgoing runflat features on my next set of summer tires, but I can still forego runflat features on my winter tires.
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| jacob06 (489hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Surly73 I never said it was good compared to previous years. It annoys me and leads to great misunderstanding and misinformation when generalizations arise and posters fail to acknowledge that there are many differences even within a single model. F10s are nose heavy - did you drive a 550xi or a 520i RWD? BMW NAV sucks – CCC? CIC? NBT? NBT Evo? F10s corner flat – DDC? ARS? 704? passive basic suspension? It's a shame that BMW isn't doing everything it can with EPS. A nice EPS rack with good software (and customization) could really win in this area. As the Infiniti commercial showed: How firm and fast do you want your steering to be? Just dial it in. I long for more steering feedback. I remember when I had PS2 in my E39 (with the inline-6 front end - much better than the V8), I could feel reflective paint on the road (SCHOOL ZONE AHEAD) through the steering wheel. From what I've read, the F10's suspension geometry tunes some of this regardless of whether you have EPS or HPS. This could be because they want a luxury cruiser. Or because X-Drive is so widespread and you would get a lot of torque steer with geometry optimized for feedback. Or maybe it's the harsh runflat characteristics - I actually get feedback in the steering of my HPS X-Drive, but it's rarely good or sporty feedback. Usually it's the run flats that crash and bounce over small bumps in the road. FWIW, I'm forgoing runflat features on my next set of summer tires, but I can still forego runflat features on my winter tires. Excellent assessment of the topic, I feel the same way. It's so easy to compare apples and oranges. Test drive opinions are often distorted simply because the driver doesn't know the specification or is comparing it to something completely different. We often get comparisons with the E39, even there: which model and specification are we comparing? I had the 540i Touring with the "compromised" steering system, so a different comparison to the F10/F11 than someone who owned, for example, an E39 530i with the excellent rack and pinion steering and a lighter front end. The driving characteristics of the F10/F11 models vary greatly depending on specification, as has been the case with all generations of the BMW range in my experience. As the market evolves, priorities also change. I know some of us would like a little more steering feedback, but I wonder how many users getting into the 5 Series really want the raw steering feel of years ago. I'd bet that over the years more 5 Series users have asked BMW for lighter steering than have complained about the loss of feedback. Here in Europe, EPS was introduced in some models in the E9x range, a few years before the F3x models. Hardly any indication of the steering, just that it was lighter. Until the F3x models came out, we didn't hear all the EPS conversations and debates and everyone knew they had EPS. Even the motoring magazines seemed to miss the fact that EPS was present in some E9x models. Interpret that however you want, but I think it says something about the users.
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| stan (825hp) | My 2014 F10 was a rental car and is equipped with the basic suspension - it drove like a floating luxury liner. Heavy, not set up, rolling and robbed of its BMW character. Drove a 2016 F10 with similar options but the base handling has been significantly improved. So I set off on my adventure – ACS, Koni FSD, 650i rear bar, Pirelli A/S 3+. It's not my E90, but I bought the F10 because I wanted more comfort and space than the E90. The new suspension components ensure the car is more stable, rolls less and the tires provide a smoother ride. It actually responds at lower speeds in corners - I can take a fast corner that I can actually feel. At higher speeds I can feel the rear end during a turn. No, it's not an E90, the ride is still too cushioned, and if it were up to me I'd venture into Koni Sport Adjustable territory. It's now a luxury cruiser with a cushioned ride. I can confidently drive 60 degrees through wide curves on the toll roads, but I know the limits of the car (I would prefer it to be less dampened) and can enjoy some sportiness with the weight of the car. It's a compromise, like any car, but a pleasant, comfortable luxury sports machine. I kept my 2009 E90 and am replacing the trim, door sills, kidney grilles, sport pedals, etc. at 84,000 km. I want to keep it for the 6-speed, although I wish it had a Miata-type precision lever. The next step is to avoid run flats.
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| pretty01 (229hp) | Quote: Originally posted by J35 - N52 You may want to dial back the rear negative camber a bit, as more negative front than rear will result in a balanced, oversteering chassis. I'm actually really looking forward to purchasing camber plates as they will drastically change the way this vehicle handles. What type of camber plates do you use on the F10? Remember that you have control arms, not upper bearings. Or do you mean adjustable wishbones??
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| 251175 (252hp) | Exactly what he said!!! Quote: Originally written by DDD31 The handling of my F10 is definitely a mixed bag. As far as sporty handling goes, the 550 is too nose-heavy and definitely not agile and really doesn't inspire confidence when the road gets twisty. I realized that with the XDrive I have the base suspension and the poor RFTs, which certainly doesn't help the sporty handling. When it comes to handling in normal driving (particularly when driving on the highway), the 550 does a fantastic job of providing a smooth, comfortable ride and a real joy to drive. I hate to say it, but to me the F10 feels and drives like a Mercedes. I realize that BMW's goal was to make the F10 5 series more like a Mercedes in order to increase their sales. I think they succeeded in that goal, but unfortunately the days of BMW building a sports sedan that would outdo all competitors in the driver category are not coming back.
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| bubbles10 (147hp) | Quote: Originally posted by S1ammin I can't even say my car has electric steering. It feels as stiff as any and stiffer than some other non-BMW cars I've ever owned. I agree, the only difference I notice between the electric and hydraulic steering on the F10 is that the hydraulic steering gives a slightly better on-center feel than the electric steering. Unfortunately, both steering systems lack driving feel, especially compared to previous BMWs.
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| 3XTR3M3 (989hp) | These (base 535i 2012 and 535i M-Sport 2014) are my first BMWs and I couldn't be happier. The M handles much better than the base, although I'm happy with how the base handles. The 5 is a big car and will NEVER act like a 3 or any small car. In my opinion, BMW has achieved its goal. I don't have any problems with the steering either. It centers quite well for me. I know I could never drive an MB as long as they have the same gear lever as the windshield wiper lever on most other cars. As often as it rains here, I would probably flick the gear shift thinking I was turning on the wipers!
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| 123456. (256hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ezaircon4jc These (base 2012 535i and 2014 535i M-Sport) are my first BMWs and I couldn't be happier. The M handles much better than the base, although I'm happy with how the base handles. The 5 is a big car and will NEVER act like a 3 or any small car. In my opinion, BMW has achieved its goal. I don't have any problems with the steering either. It centers quite well for me. I know I could never drive an MB as long as they have the same gear lever as the windshield wiper lever on most other cars. As often as it rains here, I would probably flick the gear stick thinking I was turning on the wipers! I have no real issues with the EPS or handling of my 535i. I feel pretty much the same way: the Five is a big car and will never compare to previous generations, let alone a Three. The entire front suspension is different whether we have hydraulic or EPS. It is more sophisticatedly designed. After all, it's a step down from the F01 7-series, not a step forward from the F30. BMW claimed that the (then new) front wishbone suspension mitigated some of the negative road influences. For me, this means that some of the “rawness” of the steering, which we perceive as feedback, is lost. The C&D comparison of hydraulics and EPS in the F10 chassis shows that it's not just EPS that changes the way we perceive the F10 steering. Both the steering and handling of the F10/F11 range depend heavily on how we specify the vehicles. We don't always compare the same chassis dynamics in these discussions. Specifications and expectations result in a wide range of opinions.
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| 19461946 (526hp) | The car is big and heavy, but I have no complaints about the powerful 550 xdrive. My car is fully loaded, accept night vision (no regrets) + stored on ACS springs and it drives well in my opinion. Definitely no floating around corners. I can hardly imagine driving a base 5 Series, even one with TTV8. Great car, but drives like the E series. So most of you are right about it being a boat without proper options and springs (threaded gears).).
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| lovepink1 (749hp) | Quote: Originally written by Douggie Yes. It's not just the weight. Heavy steering doesn't equal sporty, which BMW somehow got wrong with Sport mode. Yes, the steering does become heavier when triggered, but that's it. Still pretty lifeless. What is missing is counter resistance from the steering wheel where the steering kicks back. The pull to return to the center is very small. So when you're done with an abrupt turn, you need to assist the steering to get back on center. On the other hand, in some cars, such as the e90, it is enough to press the accelerator and the car quickly returns to the center position on its own, and you simply make a controlled movement of the steering wheel under your hands. In the F10 it takes a lot more work to steer the car and that's why it feels slow and not sporty at all. Yes, that. The weight of the steering must be reduced by the centering force in addition to the reduced boost. The higher your speed, the greater the centering force (instead of feeling like you're driving a video game). A lot of feedback about the road surface and reaching the traction limit is also expressed in this centering force. I have an F10 I feel it is superior to the E39 recirculating ball steering and the other front end of the V8 E39 models but more boosted. The F10's steering ratio is also noticeably slower than the E90, adding to the big, slow feel, and the mechanical advantage the driver gains from the slower steering reduces steering effort and feedback. I've never driven an LCI, but people say it's noticeably better. I would still like to know why – redesigned rack? revised pump? Or is it just an improvement over the electric assist models and are just software improvements??
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