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| mawmaw (597hp) | Quote: Posted by grimlock Unlucky guy, I think all cars have their problems, if we wanted to be truly objective we couldn't really say the same... (and I should shut up) Fewer enthusiasts are quite ok... Yeah, but even after the tranny failed on my X5 well below 100K, I still love my car.
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| DomDK (830hp) | It's true. In the case of MB E class, the reliability of 2004-2009 models was bad... But now the reliability of W212 E class seems to be very good. The impression is that MB and Audi are improving a lot, while BMW remains at the same level in terms of reliability. I really respect BMW, because they push the boundaries of technology.
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| playing (263hp) | IMHO, to be a good car, at least the powertrain must be reliable and rock solid... I understand the problems with electrical devices. However, I cannot tolerate transmission problems. In this sense, BMW is a nice car, but not a good car in my opinion. I give MB more marks in this regard. Good compromise between new technologies and reliability. BMW should step up the game in terms of powertrain reliability.
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| bella22 (521hp) | Quote: Posted by gestalt77 It's true. In the case of MB E class, the reliability of 2004-2009 models was bad... But now the reliability of W212 E class seems to be very good. This is simply because it is new and hasn't had a chance to break down yet. You can't judge the reliability of a new car until it's the same age as the 2004-2009 car is today. Of course, a 10/11 model year car should be more reliable than an 04-09, simply because of its age..
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| LOVELOVE (258hp) | I heard that the N20 I4 turbo engine, which in 2012 will be 528i, uses a 1.2 bar boost. In the case of N55, 0.8 bar. Will the N20 be more likely to fail than the N55, due to higher boost pressure? It's GDI + higher turbo boost... I'm afraid the 1st year batch, in particular, will be quite unreliable...
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| hoodrich1 (354hp) | no one knows, you would think they would learn from the previous turbo engine that caused so many problems... but nothing will surprise me, they knew about this fuel pump failure for years and did nothing done to remedy this
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| passion69 (848hp) | There have been no problems with the 1.6 turbo 4 in the Mini S and they have been making it ever since 2007.
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| nehemiah1 (347hp) | In my opinion, the positive thing about BMW is that it is a car of greater engineering, both in the engines and the electronics department, but these are also their weaknesses in terms of reliability. This is where Benz comes in, just enough tech in return it seems like a more reliable car.
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| chrisb2 (901hp) | This seems like a very big boost. I'm sure they designed the engine to survive the boost for the duration of the warranty period. Carefree.
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| 17091993 (574hp) | Quote: Posted by pyramid In my opinion, what is positive about BMW is a car of higher engineering, both in terms of engines and electronics department, but it is also their weaknesses in terms of reliability. This is where Benz comes in, just enough technology in return it seems like a more reliable car. I agree, I have never encountered a broken MB engine/transmission. Totally agree, BMW seems to push it so that the breakdown rate is just acceptable, MB doesn't push it at all and never has any problems.
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| bimmerfrei (961hp) | Quote: Posted by pyramid In my opinion, what is positive about BMW is a car of higher engineering, both in terms of engines and electronics department, but it is also their weaknesses in terms of reliability. This is where Benz comes in, just enough technology in return it seems like a more reliable car. Okay, let's get in some facts. In Germany, in 2010, the most reliable cars (according to ADAC Pannenstatistik, http://www.adac.de/infotestrat/unfal...aspx?pstatid=3) were: Subcompact / Kleinwagen 1. BMW Mini 2. Peugeot 207 3. Mitsubishi Colt 4. Opel Meriva 5. Nissan Note Compact / Untere Mittelklasse 1. BMW 1 Series 2. Audi A3 3. Peugeot 308 4. Mercedes B-type 5. Mercedes A-type Compact Executive / Mittelklasse 1. BMW /S80/V70 So much for Benz which is more reliable than BMW. Note that American cars are very rare in Germany and that only ten years ago, Japanese manufacturers dominated these statistics. It seems times have changed.
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| zkl858 (611hp) | MBs are more reliable in the US than BMWs (http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...s-by-category/). Entry-level premium car 1. American 2. Japanese … 8. Mercedes C-Class 9. Audi A4 10. BMW 3 Series Mid-size premium car 1. Japanese 2. Japanese … 6. Mercedes E-Class 7. Audi A6 8. BMW 5 Series Large premium car 1. American 2. Japanese 3. Mercedes S-Class 4. BMW 7 Series mid-size premium crossover SUV 1. Japanese 2. Japanese… 7. Mercedes M-Class… 9. Audi Q7… 11. BMW X5 Quote : Originally Posted by EdwinF10 Okay, let's get some facts in there. In Germany, in 2010, the most reliable cars (according to ADAC Pannenstatistik, http://www.adac.de/infotestrat/unfal...aspx?pstatid=3) were: Subcompact / Kleinwagen 1. BMW Mini 2. Peugeot 207 3. Mitsubishi Colt 4. Opel Meriva 5. Nissan Note Compact / Untere Mittelklasse 1. BMW 1 Series 2. Audi A3 3. Peugeot 308 4. Mercedes B-type 5. Mercedes A-type Compact Executive / Mittelklasse 1. BMW /S80/V70 So much for Benz which is more reliable than BMW. Note that American cars are very rare in Germany and that only ten years ago, Japanese manufacturers dominated these statistics. It seems times have changed.
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| helpmegod (297hp) | Thank you Sedoy, nice comparison of German and American notes with several glaring contradictions. The big question now is which statistics are the most reliable?
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| 160577 (748hp) | Which statistics are the most reliable...? I'm guessing both, since there are more engines (with less horsepower) available in Europe than in the US. Here in the US we get mostly petroleum engines with higher horsepower and it seems like BMW is doing a better job building diesel engines... Quote: Posted by EdwinF10 Thanks Sedoy, nice comparison of German and US ratings with several outright contradictions. The big question now is which statistics are the most reliable?
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| vikings28 (949hp) | Quote: Posted by Sedoy Which statistics are the most reliable...? I'm guessing both, since there are more engines (with less horsepower) available in Europe than in the US. Here in the US we get mostly petroleum based engines with higher horsepower and it seems BMW is doing a better job building diesel engines... This is indeed a significant difference, in some markets Europeans, diesel cars represent 80% of car sales. Additionally, premium Japanese brands like Lexus, Acura, Infiniti (all of which score very well in the JDPower rankings) are virtually non-existent in Europe...
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| Kendoz (897hp) | Quote: Posted by Sedoy Which statistics are the most reliable...? I think it depends on your definition of reliable. No, seriously, what does that mean? Does that mean being stuck on the shoulder of the road waiting for a tow, or not getting it in for warranty service every couple of months because some stupid computer freaked out and you have warning lights warning and bullshit in lame home mode every time you turn around?
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| 999998 (170hp) | Quote: Originally posted by grimlock I agree, I have never encountered a broken MB engine/transmission. Totally agree, BMW seems to push it so that the failure rate is just acceptable, MB doesn't push it at all and never have any problems. There were problems with MB's M272 engine. BMW engine problems focus on the high end, their bread and butter stuff is more trouble free.
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| newmoney1 (258hp) | Quote: Originally published by EdwinF10 Additionally, premium Japanese brands like Lexus, Acura, Infiniti (all of which score very well in JDPower's rankings) are virtually non-existent in Europe. The sample size in Europe is too small for Lexus and Infiniti (the latter only entered the market 2-3 years ago). The only Acura currently on sale in the EU is badged Honda.
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| 10101996 (382hp) | This is the 2011 JD Power Vehicle Reliability Study. http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/JD...11029-vdss.pdf MB has improved a lot, while Audi and BMW are still below average. This is for American cars, so pretty much all gasoline engines and no diesel. Consumer Reports magazine in the United States also has reliability tables like this, and for each car, but they are for subscribers only. This is Top Gear from the UK, but 2006 is the most recent I could find. http://www.topgear.com/content/carsu...ures/08/2.html
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| happy8 (28hp) | Which MBs did you own, because MB has improved a lot since their divorce from Chrysler, so all new models after Chrysler have much better reliability. On the other hand, BMW's reliability (the engines in particular) declined after the introduction of the new era of oil turbocharging. Quote: Posted by MERCSUk153 MB sucks, I had 3 and all three had rust issues. But my E500 was the worst. Its engine was replaced due to metal fatigue. Then I also replaced the 4 overhead shocks. This within 6 years of ownership. Believe me, MB has problems too, but they try very hard not to let the public know and they also have less enthusiasts, so they don't express themselves as much on the forums or they are so clueless that they have no idea even if something is wrong with their car if it's underage.
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| 125690 (568hp) | The BMW Bread & Butter N54 engine, which had the most applications of all the engines (Series 1, Series 3, Series 5, Series 7 and X6), was considered one of the least reliable engines in the BMW history. GREAT performance engine nonetheless! Quote: Originally posted by Clarence There have been problems with MB's M272 engine. BMW engine problems focus on the high end, their bread and butter stuff is more trouble free.
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| shah (921hp) | Quote: Posted by MERCSUk153 MB sucks, I had 3 and all three had rust issues. But my E500 was the worst. Its engine was replaced due to metal fatigue. Then I also replaced the 4 overhead shocks. This within 6 years of ownership. Believe me, MB has problems too, but they try very hard not to let the public know and they also have less enthusiasts, so they don't express themselves as much on the forums or they are so clueless that they have no idea even if something is wrong with their car if it is underage. Bad luck man, I think all cars have their problems, if we wanted to be truly objective we couldn't really say the same.. (and I should shut up) The less enthusiasts totally agree. Quote: Originally posted by Clarence There were problems with MB's M272 engine. BMW engine issues are focused on the high end, their bread and butter stuff is more trouble free. This is why I avoid SL, CL, AMG, etc...
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| america23 (948hp) | Quote: Posted by grimlock Unlucky guy, I think all cars have their problems, if we wanted to be truly objective we couldn't really say the same... (and I should shut up) Fewer enthusiasts are quite ok... Yeah, but even after the tranny failed on my X5 well below 100K, I still love my car.
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| parveen (743hp) | It's true. In the case of MB E class, the reliability of 2004-2009 models was bad... But now the reliability of W212 E class seems to be very good. The impression is that MB and Audi are improving a lot, while BMW remains at the same level in terms of reliability. I really respect BMW, because they push the boundaries of technology.
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| tissot (717hp) | IMHO, to be a good car, at least the powertrain must be reliable and rock solid... I understand the problems with electrical devices. However, I cannot tolerate transmission problems. In this sense, BMW is a nice car, but not a good car in my opinion. I give MB more marks in this regard. Good compromise between new technologies and reliability. BMW should step up the game in terms of powertrain reliability.
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| drizzt1 (531hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gestalt77 It's true. In the case of MB E class, the reliability of 2004-2009 models was bad... But now the reliability of W212 E class seems to be very good. This is simply because it is new and hasn't had a chance to break down yet. You can't judge the reliability of a new car until it's the same age as the 2004-2009 car is today. Of course, a 10/11 model year car should be more reliable than an 04-09, simply because of its age..
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| 141312 (865hp) | Hi Guys, This chart was very helpful to me as I looked at a multitude of new car choices and ultimately settled on the 550i. Everyone here seems to love their Bimmer and has given the new F10 such good reviews that I took the plunge. It's a great car and it drives like a champ...especially in sport mode. Thanks to everyone on the board because it helped me ask the right questions and find the right options. I've attached some photos (I hope I got the size right) 2011 550i Sport/Dark Graphite/Black Dakota
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| 09051989 (597hp) | Congratulations on your 550 and your excellent choice. This community is useful not only for purchasing but also for maintaining and understanding your F10.
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| gerbil (299hp) | Congratulations - it looks like my baby, even though my insides are shaped like an oyster...
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| banana10 (684hp) | Well done! It looks awesome!
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| stylist (427hp) | Hi Guys, This chart was very helpful to me as I looked at a multitude of new car choices and ultimately settled on the 550i. Everyone here seems to love their Bimmer and has given the new F10 such good reviews that I took the plunge. It's a great car and it drives like a champ...especially in sport mode. Thanks to everyone on the board because it helped me ask the right questions and find the right options. I've attached some photos (I hope I got the size right) 2011 550i Sport/Dark Graphite/Black Dakota
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| megan14 (654hp) | Congratulations on your 550 and your excellent choice. This community is useful not only for purchasing but also for maintaining and understanding your F10.
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| campari (597hp) | Congratulations - it looks like my baby, even though my insides are shaped like an oyster...
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| 16031984 (539hp) | Well done! It looks awesome!
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| vihlaeva2012 (136hp) | does this forum have window stickers? just curious
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| rubina (467hp) | does this forum have window stickers? just curious
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| Kevin123 (365hp) | I saw mention of a concierge service included in the BMW assistance package. Does this work in Europe, and is it part of standard BMW assistance or does it cost extra? I thought I could use it since I'm driving from the UK where I'm buying the car in Sweden..
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| malade (444hp) | In the USA the concierge service is extra. Given that the UK does not consider itself part of Europe, I wonder if this would be a further improvement? A quick way to find out would be to get in the car and press the assist button. If you haven't bought your car yet, use someone else's....
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| 31031989 (585hp) | Yeah, the BMW rep who showed me my car said there was no such service in Europe..
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| John7502gee (605hp) | I saw mention of a concierge service included in the BMW assistance package. Does this work in Europe, and is it part of standard BMW assistance or does it cost extra? I thought I could use it since I'm driving from the UK where I'm buying the car in Sweden..
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| highlife1 (991hp) | In the USA the concierge service is extra. Given that the UK does not consider itself part of Europe, I wonder if this would be a further improvement? A quick way to find out would be to get in the car and press the assist button. If you haven't bought your car yet, use someone else's....
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| Money1 (626hp) | Yeah, the BMW rep who showed me my car said there was no such service in Europe..
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| Xavier (642hp) | BIMMERPOST NEWSAlpina B5 Touring reviewed by Autocar23COMMENTSTweet !function(d,s,id){var js,fjs=d.getElementsByTagName(s)[0],if(!d.getElementById(id)){js=d.createElement(s) ),js.id=id,js.src='https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js',fjs.parentNode.insertBefore(js,fjs),}}(document,'script','twitter -wjs'), Aside from the touring bodywork, the B5 Touring is otherwise unchanged from the Alpina B5 Sedan. That is to say, it is a V8 Twin Turbo monster developing 500 horsepower and capable of reaching speeds of up to 300 km/h or (190MPH) and a 0-60 in 4, 8 seconds. Not bad for a vehicle that can do double duty as a family hauler and grocery hauler. This vehicle also fills a unique niche, as there is no Touring version of the new M5, this will be the most powerful Touring available with a BMW badge at the moment. Here's what Autocar had to say about the B5 Touring Citation: To understand the B5 Touring, you have to put yourself in the mindset of someone who a) is extremely wealthy, b) likes to drive fast, preferably on quiet, unrestricted highways in order to avoid having to fly, and c) also wants to drive a quantifiably comfortable car. People who buy Alpinas aren't people who can't afford a factory M car. They're people who don't want a driving experience as manic as that offered by a machine M, but want the same type of straight-line performance. Quote: Yet for a specific type of customer, there's not much else to touch with a B5 Touring. We drove this car from the Alpina factory in the middle of Bavaria to the UK, which was the perfect environment to sample its mile-eating capabilities. It's hard to imagine many other cars that would have felt as comfortable on the same route, or as fast, and could have swallowed so much gear and still returned just over 25 mpg. [Source: Autocar.uk]
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| 010984 (688hp) | Perfect for a quick trip to the market.
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| jclc (447hp) | and the United States will not succeed?
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| airport (781hp) | I would give my left nut for this car. Hell, I'd just love a standard F11 in the US. And yes, I would have put my money where my mouth was. I almost bought about 3 E61s, but the N54 debacle scared me because I plan on owning the car until around 100k to 120 000 $..
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| abnormal (270hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Needsdecaf I would give my left nut for this car. Hell, I'd just love a standard F11 in the US. And yes, I would have put my money where my mouth was. I almost bought about 3 E61s, but the N54 debacle scared me because I plan on owning the car until around $100,000-120,000. I just passed 100 km this week with my E61. Just one HPFP, that’s it! get 28-30 mpg at 75 mph on the highway, I love it. My wife's 135 has been just as flawless, but only 20k so far. I guess I can attribute that to good Carma
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| mattew (86hp) | I would love one too. This is one of the few cars where I think the Touring version looks better than the sedan..
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| breen (335hp) | Quote: Posted by juan2 3 I just passed 100 km this week with my E61. Just one HPFP, that’s it! get 28-30 mpg at 75 mph on the highway, I love it. My wife's 135 has been just as flawless, but only 20k so far. I guess I can attribute that to good Carma. My wife's E61 has had a few issues, but none of them are HPFP related. Regardless, it's one of the best cars we've owned – an extremely versatile year-round vehicle that doesn't drive like a truck. Very fun! This Alpina is beautiful!
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| sakuragi (216hp) | Hmmmmm... The front looks a bit like...
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| qazxswedc123 (747hp) | I don't like the front, like the back, that's all
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| sonnyboy1 (976hp) | OH MY GOD! The comeback is SO hot! The front needs blacked-out grilles or something, it just looks a bit strange...
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| project86 (539hp) | I'll take this over the m5. Having all that power in a station wagon is pretty awesome.
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| tomtom11 (68hp) | My E61 will live until BMW decides to import the F11, or it falls apart. Not before.
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| mlr1989 (415hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 07Z4M4me My E61 will live until BMW decides to import the F11, or it falls apart. Not before. Maybe a stupid question, but isn't it possible to import the F11 yourself? I mean, some American cars that are not for sale in Europe are also imported here..
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| marissa123 (733hp) | I would love to do a tour like this one day. It's so misleading!!!
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| bluerose1 (613hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Booster Hmmmmm... The front looks a bit like... Indeed. I hate the gaping mouth trend lately. What's up with that??. We should definitely graft the front of the M5 onto this thing...
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| marylin (452hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Booster Hmmmmm... The front looks a bit like... This becomes much less obvious with darker colors, see for example http://f10.5post.com/forums/showpost. ..8&postcount=68
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| trauma (969hp) | Quote: Posted by EdwinF10 Maybe a stupid question, but isn't it possible to import the F11 yourself? I mean, some American cars that are not sold in Europe are also imported here. He could probably get 2 F10s in the USA for what it would cost to buy a European F11 and import it..
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| diva22 (172hp) | Here is a little teaser of the Alpina F11...
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| 198220 (522hp) | Quote: Posted by EdwinF10 Maybe a stupid question, but isn't it possible to import the F11 yourself? I mean, some American cars that are not sold in Europe are also imported here. Absolutely! You can simply park it in your garage and never use it. Seriously, no way to do that.
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| 10111989 (318hp) | BUT what is the price ????>, Ј75800 basic Mental money because in the UK these cars lose money like an open sewer.
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| 070686 (203hp) | Quote: Originally posted by MyKmYk I would also like one. This is one of the few cars where I think the Touring version looks better than the sedan. I couldn't agree more
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| flower0 (585hp) | BIMMERPOST NEWSAlpina B5 Touring reviewed by Autocar23COMMENTSTweet !function(d,s,id){var js,fjs=d.getElementsByTagName(s)[0],if(!d.getElementById(id)){js=d.createElement(s) ),js.id=id,js.src='https: //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js',fjs.parentNode.insertBefore(js,fjs),}}(document,'script','twitter -wjs'), Aside from the Touring bodywork, the B5 Touring is otherwise unchanged from the Alpina B5 Sedan. That is to say it is a V8 Twin Turbo monster developing 500 hp and capable of reaching speeds of up to 300 km/h or (190MPH) and a 0-60 in 4, 8 seconds. Not bad for a vehicle that can do double duty as a family hauler and grocery hauler. This vehicle also fills a unique niche, as there is no Touring version of the new M5, this will currently be the most powerful Touring version available with a BMW badge. Here's what Autocar had to say about the B5 Touring Citation: To understand the B5 Touring, you have to put yourself in the mindset of someone who a) is extremely wealthy, b) likes to drive fast, preferably on quiet, unrestricted highways in order to avoid having to fly, and c) also wants to drive a quantifiably comfortable car. People who buy Alpinas are not people who can't afford a factory M car. These are people who don't want as manic a driving experience as an M machine offers, but want the same kind of straight-line performance. Quote: Yet for a specific type of customer, there's not much else to touch with a B5 Touring. We drove this car from the Alpina factory in the middle of Bavaria to the UK, which was the perfect environment to sample its mile-eating capabilities. It's hard to imagine many other cars that would have felt as comfortable on the same route, or as fast, and could have swallowed so much gear and still returned just over 25 mpg. [Source: Autocar.uk]
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| tyler16 (187hp) | Perfect for a quick trip to the market.
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| faz734 (953hp) | and the United States will not succeed?
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| tunisia (217hp) | I would give my left nut for this car. Hell, I'd just love a standard F11 in the US. And yes, I would have put my money where my mouth was. I almost bought about 3 E61s, but the N54 debacle scared me because I plan on owning the car until around 100k to 120 000 $..
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| 221081 (889hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Needsdecaf I would give my left nut for this car. Hell, I'd just love a standard F11 in the US. And yes, I would have put my money where my mouth was. I almost bought about 3 E61s, but the N54 debacle scared me because I plan on owning the car until around $100,000-120,000. I just passed 100 km this week with my E61. Just one HPFP, that’s all! get 28-30 mpg at 75 mph on the highway, I love it. My wife's 135 has been just as flawless, but only 20k so far. I guess I can attribute that to good Carma
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| MarcJ (179hp) | I would love one too. This is one of the few cars where I think the Touring version looks better than the sedan..
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| 030282 (84hp) | Quote: Posted by juan2 3 I just passed 100 km this week with my E61. Just one HPFP, that’s it! get 28-30 mpg at 75 mph on the highway, I love it. My wife's 135 has been just as flawless, but only 20k so far. I guess I can attribute that to good Carma. My wife's E61 has had a few issues, but none of them are HPFP related. Regardless, it's one of the best cars we've owned – an extremely versatile year-round vehicle that doesn't drive like a truck. Very fun! This Alpina is beautiful!
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| 15081984 (491hp) | Hmmmmm... The front looks a bit like...
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| dragon45 (653hp) | I don't like the front, like the back, that's all
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| sexo69 (22hp) | OH MY GOD! It’s SO hot coming back! The front needs blacked-out grilles or something, it just looks a bit strange...
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| l0vely (633hp) | I'll take this over the m5. Having all that power in a station wagon is pretty awesome.
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| 450450 (329hp) | My E61 will live until BMW decides to import the F11, or it falls apart. Not before.
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| 07072007 (879hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 07Z4M4me My E61 will live until BMW decides to import the F11, or it falls apart. Not before. Maybe a stupid question, but isn't it possible to import the F11 yourself? I mean, some American cars that are not for sale in Europe are also imported here..
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| 26071989 (886hp) | I would love to do a tour like this one day. It's so misleading!!!
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| therapy1 (17hp) | Quote: Posted by Booster Hmmmmm... The front looks a bit like... Indeed. I hate the gaping mouth trend lately. What's up with that??. We should definitely graft the front of the M5 onto this thing...
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| allblacks (573hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Booster Hmmmmm... The front looks a bit like... This becomes much less obvious with darker colors, see for example http://f10.5post.com/forums/showpost. ..8&postcount=68
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| 160591 (738hp) | Quote: Posted by EdwinF10 Maybe a stupid question, but isn't it possible to import the F11 yourself? I mean, some American cars that are not sold in Europe are also imported here. He could probably get 2 F10s in the USA for what it would cost to buy a European F11 and import it..
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| andre123 (997hp) | Here is a little teaser of the Alpina F11...
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| starstruck (406hp) | Quote: Posted by EdwinF10 Maybe a stupid question, but isn't it possible to import the F11 yourself? I mean, some American cars that are not sold in Europe are also imported here. Absolutely! You can simply park it in your garage and never use it. Seriously, no way to do that.
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| mariannaz2 (442hp) | BUT what is the price ????>, Ј75800 basic Mental money because in the UK these cars lose money like an open sewer.
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| 23031996 (234hp) | Quote: Originally posted by MyKmYk I would also like one. This is one of the few cars where I think the Touring version looks better than the sedan. I couldn't agree more
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| ilovejc (707hp) | Future
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| rocket2 (551hp) | Msport type side skirt, standard front bumper with lips. General style, not suitable for executive lounge.
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| iujack (94hp) | Future
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| 111111qq (175hp) | Msport type side skirt, standard front bumper with lips. General style, not suitable for executive lounge.
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| kismat (345hp) | Does anyone have a 550 with Dinan software update? I'm planning to get a 550 with Dinan, but want to know what the difference is and what owners think of the upgrade. Does anyone have any performance numbers or even a video of it in action? I know Dinan (I currently have an E92 with stage 2 upgrade) but I want to know how much better the car is with the tuning. THANKS.
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| broncos07 (174hp) | Completely transforms the car---huge difference. You can really feel the difference in the torque output. It's well worth the money.
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| in (202hp) | Would you say it's similar to the Alpina B7 or the E60 M5? I like my cars to sleep
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| bigbro1 (884hp) | If you are concerned about the 0-100km speed on a 550xdrive. stock: 4.8 seconds vs Dinan S1: 4.2 seconds (based on user feedback) $3,000 tuning + taxes + installed labor = just under $4,000 CAD
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| Kennwort (959hp) | Wow. If these performance numbers are true, then we have an M wannabe5.
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| igetmoney (891hp) | The F10 M5 (based on the media post) does it in 4.4 seconds. With further aftermarket tuning, many suggest it will drop below 4 seconds
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| 13071979 (128hp) | Does anyone have a 550 with Dinan software update? I'm planning to get a 550 with Dinan, but want to know what the difference is and what owners think of the upgrade. Does anyone have any performance numbers or even a video of it in action? I know Dinan (I currently have an E92 with stage 2 upgrade) but I want to know how much better the car is with the tuning. THANKS.
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| lynda (86hp) | Completely transforms the car---huge difference. You can really feel the difference in the torque output. It's well worth the money.
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| favored1 (590hp) | Would you say it's similar to the Alpina B7 or the E60 M5? I like my cars to sleep
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| 22011994 (683hp) | If you are concerned about the 0-100km speed on a 550xdrive. stock: 4.8 seconds vs Dinan S1: 4.2 seconds (based on user feedback) $3,000 tuning + taxes + installed labor = just under $4,000 CAD
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| 231989 (29hp) | Wow. If these performance numbers are true, then we have an M wannabe5.
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| alexis17 (113hp) | The F10 M5 (based on the media post) does it in 4.4 seconds. With further aftermarket tuning, many suggest it will drop below 4 seconds
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| winston3 (728hp) | I love F's BMWNA hate11
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| michelle02 (182hp) | I love F's BMWNA hate11
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| 16101982 (990hp) | With the 640i arriving in October, will the 535i become a 540i this year? I know BMW plays the badge game like no other, but what are the chances of a 540i coming out. Turbo 6... very different from the last 540i e39....
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| 200279 (962hp) | A change in numbers? Always be my heart!!!!!
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| my_komp_777 (708hp) | No, not at least for the EU and rest of the world markets. There will be a 530i slot between 528i and 535i, but it's just a rebadged N53 528i with improved power to return to the original level of the N53 E60 LCI 530i..
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| fucker9 (216hp) | I wonder what this will do to the value of the series 5...
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| sabine1 (522hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Clarence No, not for the EU and rest of the world markets at least. There will be a 530i slot between 528i and 535i, but it's just a rebadged N53 528i with upgraded power to return to the original N53 E60 LCI 530i level. I doubt we'll see this in the US... I wouldn't be surprised if a 540i eventually shows up. The new 528i with the turbo-4 is 0-60 in 6.0 sec, which isn't far off from what the 535i will do. Almost as much torque and a little less weight (maximum horsepower doesn't matter much just for 0-60). Further separation between the 528 and 535 with a 540 model would indeed make sense. I guess MY2013 at the earliest. I doubt they would wait until the ICL for the F10.
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| fortunato (380hp) | No, because the -40i cars use an N54 (bit-turbo) engine, while the 535 is equipped with the N55 (single turbo). I would be seriously surprised to see either the 1, 3 or 5 return to the N54.
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| corey12 (348hp) | Indeed, if the N20 535i improves between 0-60 and 6.2s, the 535i has to improve a bit, but how far can it go before it starts to intrude into 550i territory? I say 5.5 seconds is the limit. 5.4 for a “540i” Doesn’t the 640i already use the N55, so start-stop? Don't think the -40i badge requires an N54...the N55 has already been considered the complete replacement, right? The 1M was the last shot... it's done
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| 12041989 (405hp) | Quote: Originally posted by grimlock Indeed, if the N20 535i improves between 0-60 and 6.2s, the 535i has to improve a bit. The MY2012 535i will hit 0-100km/h in 5.8sec, thanks to some transmission optimization. Without 4x4, 0-100 time will reach diminishing returns due to limited traction.
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| dell22 (713hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Needsdecaf No, because the -40i cars use an N54 (twin turbo) engine, while the 535 has the N55 (single turbo). I would be seriously surprised to see 1, 3 or 5 return to the N54. The 640i uses N55.
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| marinedawg23 (983hp) | Quote: Posted by masti99 I wonder what this will do to the value of the 5 series... The main victim will be the 528i, because the 528i N20 sells for 1000 euros less than the 528i N53 (German price). The 530i sells for a few hundred euros more than the 528i N53.
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| 28051981 (66hp) | Quote: Posted by Clarence The main victim will be the 528i, because the 528i N20 sells for 1000 euros less than the 528i N53 (German price). The 530i sells for a few hundred euros more than the 528i N53. Do you work for Bmw in Hong Kong? Will the 530i and 528i work side by side? Will the 530i come to Hong Kong? When the N arrives20?
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| robinhood (890hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Clarence The MY2012 535i will hit 0-100km/h in 5.8sec, thanks to some transmission optimization. Without 4x4, the 0-100 time will reach diminishing returns due to limited traction. The 0-100 km of the X1 with n20 with 4-wheel drive is a rocket... can you believe it? Have you driven the N20, how does it compare to the N52?
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| arvin (298hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sedoy The BMW Bread & Butter N54 engine, which had the most applications of all engines (Series 1, Series 3, Series 5, Series 7 and X6), was classified as the one of the most unreliable engines in the world. the history of BMW. GREAT performance engine nonetheless! The bread & butter for BMW is not the N54, the N54 is considered premium. BMW's real bread & butter is the N47 diesel, then come the N52/3 and N57.
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| ramrod (835hp) | Quote: Posted by grimlock Do you work for BMW in Hong Kong? Will the 530i and 528i work side by side? Will the 530i come to Hong Kong? When will the N20 come? No, I don't work for them, but I'm looking for one (either X3 35i, or 535i, or 528i N20). The restructured F10 range is made up of 520i, 528i, 530i, 535i and 550i. 520 and 528 use N20 but with different output. I'm not sure if the 530i will come or not, as it uses an N53 engine and it seems BMW hasn't sold any N53 F10s officially outside the EU. If BMW allows the N53 to be sold outside the EU, then the 530i will likely be used to fill the big gap between 528 and 535, but those in the know will likely choose 528 because in the real world it will perform better than the 530, particularly in Hong Kong. The N20 will start production from 9/2011, so probably if you order now you will get the N20. Another thing is that I think there might be a chance for the 528 and 535 (with start stop) to have an EFV tax deduction..
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| badass69 (140hp) | I partly agree with you, even these young guys drive BMW or Audi harder than generally older MB owners. However, I think BMW can improve two things: reliability and weight. When it comes to reliability, Americans worry about it a lot, because the prices of high-end cars (MB, BMW Audi, etc.) are cheaper than the rest of the world (even Germany), so the big public has access to high-end cars and they don't. I don't like spending money on dealership visits. Hello Lexus owners... Quote: Posted by MERCSUk153 MB has indeed improved, but manufacturing is behind Audi and BMW. A very good example is that BMW and Audi both offer a 12 year rust warranty, while MB only offers 4 years and an additional 4 years if you have your car serviced religiously by an MB dealership. The extra 4 years constitutes goodwill, meaning you won't get it unless someone tells you about it. The reason is that MB still does not galvanize the body parts of its cars. http://www.mercedes-benz.ca/content/.../warranty.html This gives a little insight into the inferior MB product. Most of the time you don't talk about it or show up in reliability reports, that's because many MB owners are older and very wealthy, so SAs position the problem as wear and tear and the customer doesn't even think about it. the part shouldn't have broken and you just have to pay for it because to them it's only a few cents. While most BMW and Audi owners are younger and, while affluent, still don't have the same disposable income on average, they will have a few more questions when it comes to costly repairs . Since 2000, when MB launched a whole new generation of cars, everything has gone downhill. It may be better currently, but in my opinion the reason is that BMW and Audi are pushing harder on the performance side and also on the technological side, so of course the reliability will be questioned, but it's is better than MB just using older technology to become more reliable..
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| saab95 (300hp) | Quote: Originally posted by grimlock The 0-100 km on the X1 w/n20 w/4wd is a rocket...is that to be believed? Have you driven the N20, how does it compare to the N52? I haven't driven the N20, I've only driven the 535i. According to reports about the X1, the engine is very good in terms of driving characteristics and revs smoothly up to the 7,000 rpm redline. You may need to change the exhaust as it seems a bit boring next to the N52, or perhaps upgrade the sound generator installed on the Z.4.
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