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| 6children (373hp) | Quote: Originally posted by eatrach73, why is this color so much better on series 5? It changes A LOT depending on how much light hits it and the angle of the light. This can go from very light like in the nose photo of the 116i to very dark like the back of the photo of the X1.
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| matty69b8 (966hp) | Quote: Originally posted by E90Fleet Looks like Marrakech Brown from series X1, 1 and X6 Code B09, thank you very much. I'm 99% sure it's the color. I'm waiting for the Munich dealer's response, just out of curiosity, but I'm sure that's it. you really know your stuff, you are indeed a real BMW fan. thank you very much, once again.
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| badromance (190hp) | Quote: Originally posted by XTS, thank you very much. I'm 99% sure it's the color. I'm waiting for the Munich dealer's response, just out of curiosity, but I'm sure that's it. you really know your stuff, you are indeed a real BMW fan. thank you very much, once again.
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| KEVIN88GT (409hp) | Looks like Sepang Bronze.
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| 010794 (535hp) | It looks like champagne quartz. (Image from UK website). http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/ecom4/eng...%3D%3D,00.html If anyone can confirm please let us know.
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| rangers1873 (23hp) | The last link simply takes you to the first build page. Here is the photo with Champaign Quartz
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| 1009 (203hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Terpinator The last link simply takes you to the first build page. Here is the photo with Champaign Quartz Champaign Quarts doesn't look so brown This M5 is Champaign Quarts
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| bahagia (977hp) | My dad was going to order this color!
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| lorenita (857hp) | Quote: Originally posted by eatrach73, why is this color so much better on series 5? Because the 5 Series is a much nicer car!
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| 11111b (68hp) | Here is my individual 535d xDrive Champagne Quartz Metallic. It looks brown on a cloudy day and there are many colors in the sun, from purple to gray. http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=648543.
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| sabastian (860hp) | Quote: Originally posted by XTS Hi guys. Can anyone help me with the name or code of this brown color? I know it's a BMW Individual color, but I can't find it on the BMW color palette - it's not Mettalic A17 Havana. Someone told me it was called Royal Brown 2 but I can't find any information on that. thanks It might be Havana. I couldn't find a BMW Individual color with brown without the individual Champagne Quartz Metallic when I ordered the mod 2012..
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| 11071986 (529hp) | The original photo contains a lot of yellow (or red/orange), which could distort the match due to the posters. If I had to guess, I would vote for Marrakech Brown (I saw this on an X1 at the Munich Welt).
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| defcon1 (345hp) | I guess it's called Champagne Quratz
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| 21101987 (174hp) | In the United States, it's called Mojave Metallic. If you order Marrakech Brown your car will look like crap (literally).
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| KANdaddy (294hp) | The Official Rollover/Acceleration Delay/Throttle Delay/Initial Takeoff Issue for the 2011 528i Solutions and Complaint Instructions Introduction You are at a busy intersection trying to navigate traffic dense. You see an opening and mash the gas pedal, but the car doesn't seem to respond immediately. he hesitates. or it stings slowly. You want to open the door, put your foot on the curb (remember the Flintstones) and move the car forward. the person in the car behind you yells at you: GO! GO! GO! SILLY! .WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? You frantically continue to mash the gas pedal and all of a sudden, wham. you are thrown into oblivion and you take off. You're headed straight to the hospital for one of two reasons: either you have whiplash or someone slammed into your side because you pushed too long. Okay, okay. so maybe it's a bit of an exaggeration, but I also bet it's not far from many true stories, if not close to it. The problem of tipping, delay in acceleration and initial takeoff is serious and a safety problem. Read the discussions and reviews of users who complain about it and note how many owners are worried about the unknown. If you try to slow down the acceleration, will the car take off fast enough and/or shake you. is it going to be okay or not? The unknown can be dangerous. This problem is not new with 2011 models. It has existed for several years in several BMW models, but has apparently become more noticeable in models equipped with the N52 engine (and perhaps a few others). However, from my investigations, it appears that in the 2011 528i models, this phenomenon has become more pronounced. more aggressive. and therefore more noticeable and more annoying. as well as a security issue. Frankly, I don't see how BMW ignores this like they do. With the extreme number of complaints about it. and the fact that many have given up on buying BMW vehicles for this reason alone, AND as smart as their engineers are with almost every other aspect of their vehicles, I am almost in complete disbelief that they haven't found a solution to this problem. . Very few people will understand or accept that this is normal acceleration behavior for a vehicle, regardless of manufacturer. This thread and the instructions that follow for filing a complaint are specific to the 528i and not the 535i. However, it appears that the SIB 12 9 11 software update, mentioned in several places, will resolve the issue on the 535i models. and is specific ONLY to the 535i and not the 528i. It has been reported that this software update does not fix the 528i, although there appear to be unconfirmed reports that a few 528i owners have had this update and fixed the issue. If this has been confirmed, please post in this thread and let us know. Although this worked for some 528i owners, many service advisors will not apply this update because it is not assigned to the 528i. Extract from page 2 of the SIB: Situation E7x (X5, there are numerous discussions and reviews; there are several articles/threads/blogs referring to this problem. many major reviews mention it, as well as many user reviews. Obviously they can't all be included, but here are some links if you want to take the time to re-read some of them: Failover and initial acceleration issues fixed PROBLEM SOLVED!!... If yourF10 hesitates or stutters 0-10 mph Is there a "Tip-in" fix for the 528i? 2011 BMW 528i: It’s not just me! BMW 528i 2011: power there Tip-in, jerk, hesitation, functioning as expected? What BMW Owners Are Saying Highlighted comments from various places on this issue (some edits for spelling and grammar): I have experienced the same thing as many others where if you are at a complete stop and you go to accelerate, the car doesn't respond properly away and you naturally apply more gas and the car jumps in front of you. If you were to shift into D/S the car was perfect and you experienced no acceleration lag...it was almost as if the car was ready to start in 2nd gear rather than 1st. I don't know how to explain it...it seems like the pedal has to be depressed more than it should before you get immediate throttle response. Like a little blind spot, I guess. Only in normal mode. No lag in sport mode. The response is immediate. This has scared me many times when pulling out of a stop sign in traffic, thinking you have plenty of time and easily hit the gas only to find yourself moving like a snail and then having to stomp on it to move forward as traffic approaches. It's not the engine response that worries me. It is the ability to drive smoothly. I can't, and neither can my wife, get this car to move away from a dead stop or light stop rolling smoothly and at a constant speed, more than 20% of the time. You normally have three options for takeoff in this car: you have to tension the accelerator and move away like a cat burglar, stomp it and take off like Don Garlits, or use normal throttle, do nothing for 2 seconds , then feel like a garbage truck has just hit you. I have a 2009 528i with sport package. My 5th BMW. They loaned me a 2011 528i for my last interview and I still can't believe how differently they drove. The 2011 felt bigger, but not just because the throttle tip was much more aggressive and, combined with the loose electric steering, was very disappointing. If this car was used for limousine service, the driver would have no regular customers. If your kids take their driving test in this car, they will fail. It really is that bad. I noticed this with an F10 528 loan. This throttle lag is not fun, especially if you need to extricate yourself from a situation. It is not a delay that reduces a transient overvoltage. This INCREASES the transient thrust as the car doesn't respond to the throttle for half a second, then rushes forward with an awkward lurch and clunk. It's much more difficult than a normal takeoff. It's not smooth at all. Some have described it as being in the back. For the sake of clarity, let's not call this a shift. Let's call it a lack of linear response to the accelerator pedal. I can't understand why BMW would design it this way intentionally. This just makes the car difficult to drive smoothly from a standing start. It's stupid. It's not the end of the world but it's stupid. I demonstrated to my tech that I was getting a 2 second lag when walking on it while going downhill at 20 mph. He easily recognized that this was a problem. My approach is that this is a security issue (which seriously it is) and I presented it that way. Edmunds Inside Line also noted the same problem with its long-term 528. It's not the turbo, it's the throttle and transmission programming. This is notnot at all related to the actual power of the engine. I was stunned as I wanted to accelerate smoothly (gas pedal halfway) from around 35 mph only to notice this annoying delay and sudden surge when the car downshifted a gear or two. My wife has been driving my car a lot lately to cut down on the miles. She would agree with that, the lack of a linear response makes her nervous. She said the other day that she had to wait for a much bigger opening. I have a Honda that is also steer-by-wire, and that car's throttle response is instant and consistent throughout its pedal travel, not at all like the laziness of the BMW. I was at the dealership yesterday and asked my SA about this. She said they saw the problem with the 528i and seemed to admit there was a problem with that model. I simply blamed too many gears in the transmission! Was I wrong? I don't know... because the seller then told me to try the manual sport mode and the hesitation quickly disappeared! Whether or not this is technically considered a safety delay, I agree that there is one on the F10, and it was one on my previous E39... just not as pronounced. That being said, I hope you all realize that there is at least one aftermarket BMW supplier that makes an electronic harness specifically designed to eliminate this delay. I haven't looked yet, but I imagine they are working on an F10 solution as well, if they don't already have it. I was yielding at an intersection to turn left, and in ANY car I've owned before (BMW, Audi, Jeep), I would have stepped on it and gone through the intersection with ease. With the F10, I was waiting for oncoming cars to pass to be careful. Not cool. Toyota was forced to do a massive recall due to unintended acceleration likely caused by the floor mats or something stupid like that, not the vehicle's electronics. Here we have a similar issue affecting acceleration, apparently caused by a flaw in the wired throttle software, and there is no acknowledgment that a problem exists. What would it take to get the exposure needed for an encore? Is this problem potentially dangerous or is it just annoying? My problem is what happens when someone uses the car who has never driven it before or rarely drives it and is used to instant acceleration when they step on the accelerator? In my opinion, if I look in my rearview mirror and decide that it would be in my best interest to make more space between everything I see and myself - and to command my 300 HP vehicle to move forward in digging deep into my pedal - and it doesn't respond for 2 seconds (50 feet of unwanted closure with a vehicle to vehicle speed difference of only 35 mph), I would call that dangerous. Isn't it? I think BMW would agree. Now let's hope they can fix it. I guess it will take a few accidents, some deaths and a lot of bad publicity to get things going. It must be remembered. This is a big security issue. There are a few solutions Although this seems like only a temporary solution, you can reset the throttle body adaptation, which resets the driver's adaptive memory function by following these steps: 1) Press the button once Start to power on. Do not press the brake pedal or start the engine. 2) Press the accelerator to the floor for up to 60 seconds. You should hear a click to indicate that it is resetting. 3) Press the Start button again to.
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| ellhutchinson (474hp) | About as good as it gets, well done!
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| Glock 32 (461hp) | I hope more people join us in trying to solve this problem, yes we can!
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| 791010 (815hp) | Not in the US, but cheers! I have the same problems and it gets a little better when the computer is reset...then a few days/weeks later it happens again. I hope that your insistence and that of other forum members will work!
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| 02111985 (449hp) | This is an excellent article! Long story short: I have exactly this problem and others like the shaking which have been fixed. The good news is that the dealer claims to have found a solution, which involves changing a certain part of the accelerator. I will drop the car off at the dealership in a few days. Patience my fellow sufferers. I will keep you informed of my results. --- To comment on some points in Sonnie's post: 1- I tried this throttle reset technique and it didn't work. 2- I insisted to my dealer to take action and he did so with the help of the workshop manager and a lot of patience on my part. He filed a Puma report with BMW Germany to find a solution. Firstly, it managed to solve the jerking problem, but I still had this lag in the throttle. So they sent another report to Germany and got the above response..
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| pravin (169hp) | This is very promising news, Dr. Mohammed... and I certainly look forward to your feedback on this solution. THANKS!
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| 5432154321 (991hp) | Sonnie, thank you for this excellent article. Not in the US, so I probably can't write to complain. I only have one problem with sport mode. with normal it's fine, no asshole. I tried the reset method, it didn't help. We really need more voices. I took my car to the dealership a few months ago. They reinstalled the software for the throttle and transmission, that didn't help. The SA told me that there is no software update to fix this problem. Let's see if we can organize a compliant group here in Hong Kong with a few more 528i members.
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| 1dallas (762hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sonnie The rollover, acceleration delay and initial takeoff issue is serious and a safety issue. Read the discussions and reviews of users who complain about it and note how many owners are worried about the unknown. If you try to slow down the acceleration, will the car take off fast enough and/or shake you. is it going to be okay or not? The unknown can be dangerous. This problem is not new with 2011 models. It has existed for several years in several BMW models, but has apparently become more noticeable in models equipped with the N52 engine (and perhaps a few others). However, from my investigations, it appears that in the 2011 528i models, this phenomenon has become more pronounced. more aggressive. and therefore more noticeable and more annoying. as well as a security issue. This whole saga is interesting. But does this kind of problem only concern BMW? We use VW Caravelles and the last couple have 2.0d twin-turbo diesels with DSG (double clutch) automobiles. Guess what? We are having the exact same problem with one of them, the other perfect. The gradual start of traffic flows can become a complete unknown, even dangerous, because it disrupts what was initially good judgment. Other drivers may wonder what you're talking about when you have to interrupt a trip. I definitely suspect the VW's transmission software, as the dual-clutch transmission should be ready at all times, but it always messes up. But with two identical configurations, why is one correct and the other messy? There has to be more than just software. I wonder if with all the variations, the fixes that seem to work (for a while), the same thing on others doing nothing, are all due to the tolerance stacks in the build. Maybe it's become too sensitive and we find the problems, BMW, VW or whatever. I hope we don't go back to the good and the bad, that's not a way forward for any automaker. HighlandPete
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| eight88 (278hp) | One thing that really strikes me is that Burger Motorsports and Sprint Booster have made products that can totally eliminate lag. Granted, they cost around $300, but if they can make a product that completely eliminates it, there's no reason why BMW can't program it to eliminate it as well. I have not researched these products extensively, but from what I have read so far, owners who use them have reported that there is no more lag and their car is fun to drive again. The question for me is whether they affect gas mileage. According to Terry at BMS and Ken at SB, as long as you don't change your driving habits, there is no effect on gas mileage. If this is indeed the case, then BMW's claim that the shift is intended to improve fuel efficiency is called into question...and perhaps it is a scapegoat for a bigger problem that will cost them expensive if they admitted it was a problem. and must recall hundreds of thousands of cars. Then again, they seem to have already admitted that this was an issue with the 535i and released a software update for it. I don't understand how they can admit this is a problem on the 535i, but say it's normal for a 528i. Two different 535i owners also reported that their gas mileage improved after the software update. Go figure! Hey...I'll take a software update and improved gas mileage if a software update eliminates the lag...who wouldn't?
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| 03041983 (293hp) | Well done Sonnie...well done for flying the flag on this one! It should definitely be sticky!
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| 170388 (211hp) | Um, unless your car has fenders, carries commercial passengers, runs on railroad tracks, or uses pipelines, the NTSB probably won't care about your numb throttle. I think you mean what your link is trying to tell you. The appropriate agency to report your safety concerns is the NHTSA, not the NTSB. [QUOTE=Sonnie,10214111][SIZE=3][B][FONT=Arial] Fourth, file a formal complaint with the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) В…..... https://www-odi. nhtsa .dot.gov/ivoq/ NTSB will document complaints….....and by law they are required to report complaints to BMW. Similar to the Better Business Bureau, if enough complaints are filed, they will investigate and may very well eventually force BMW to come up with a solution..
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| hood (528hp) | Looking at some of these aftermarket wheels and tires...I think some of them would drive on the railroad tracks with no problem. HOWEVER...error noted and information updated to reflect correct agency. Thanks for the details.
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| 17061986 (6hp) | Great article, if aftermarket companies can do it, so can BMW. My IQ tells me they didn't repair it for a reason or they designed it that way for a reason. I would bet on saving fuel and meeting standards.
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| Webmail (226hp) | Quote: Originally posted by scottz5 Great article, if aftermarket companies can do it, so can BMW. My IQ tells me they didn't repair it for a reason or they designed it that way for a reason. I would bet on saving fuel and meeting standards. yeah, that's so they can write 20mpg City on the EPA sticker.
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| 100878 (883hp) | Oddly enough, a few 535i owners say their gas mileage has improved since the software update that fixed their problem. This leads me to believe that it's really not necessary for better gas mileage..
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| john08 (2hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sonnie It's kind of strange though that a few 535i owners claim their gas mileage has improved since the software update that fixed their problem. This leads me to believe that it's really not necessary for better gas mileage. I call bs, mine is broken after updating and the hesitation is back too. With all due respect, this is a well written article, but BMW is doing this for the federal government. This is not a problem and never will be for BMW, it's a way to improve the MPG for government standards. I'm just trying to be an honest person and anyone who does this is wasting their time. Really no disrespect, I just see things from a different perspective. BMW, if you're reading, I might still get on board. lol peace
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| 2341 (342hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 yeah that's so they can write 20mpg City on the EPA sticker. Gatoman39 is a really brilliant guy, I read his post. Peace
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| 2909 (70hp) | We have no reason to believe that anyone who claims to get better gas mileage is not telling the truth. They really have no reason to lie about it. It's disrespectful to accuse them of lying just because yours isn't better. Sorry your update didn't work for you, but nonetheless, this is for a different thread. This is more aimed at 528i owners who are not offered the software update..
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| dvlznight (558hp) | Quote: Posted by Sonnie We have no reason to believe that anyone claiming better gas mileage isn't telling the truth. They really have no reason to lie about it. It's disrespectful to accuse them of lying just because yours isn't better. Sorry your update didn't work for you, but nonetheless, this is for a different thread. This is more for 528i owners who are not offered the software update. Once again a well written op. Ok, that was nice, your op talks about both cars. If you reread my post the hesitation returned just like the reset you describe in your op and my mpg went down 0.5. I think the D cars should but I'm not 100%, I think I read a few reviews that talked about the hesitation. Don't be sorry, it didn't work. If this fixed the hesitation, it would work for all cars with the new software version. but i guess you could call me bs, it's the internet after all. Look at the big picture, the 550 has none, the 535 a little and the 528 most. What does this mean? Guess which smaller engine is planned for 2012. BMW has no choice if it wants to continue making M cars. It's all about regulations. Think about what you want and if you don't like the car, sell it and move on. Life is too short to be unhappy. I was just trying to save you time and stress. Sorry if you were offended and I hope you get what you want. I don't know if I've said it, but I hate hesitation, especially after driving my wife's car. I think my brain is programmed to hit the gas harder. Don't disrespect anyone who told them you got better mpg. If you did, please post your views on this. Is your hesitation back? I would love to read other people's opinions. Peace
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| Jovada (613hp) | I'm not offended...I was simply making a statement in response to your lack of respect for others. They might be offended...I'm not sure. Comments about better mpg are written in other threads. I just read where two 535i owners made this statement. Look around you, you will find it and you can chat with them as much as you want. I don't think any of us have said we don't like our cars, we just don't like that particular question. I'm not unhappy, I just don't like this question. I am very happy and blessed beyond what I deserve, but I don't like this problem. Let me judge what I should do with my car, thanks. Remember that no one is forcing you to participate.
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| 030586 (142hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sonnie I'm not offended...I was simply making a statement in response to your lack of respect for others. They might be offended...I'm not sure. Comments about better mpg are written in other threads. I just read where two 535i owners made this statement. Look around you, you will find it and you can chat with them as much as you want. I don't think any of us have said we don't like our cars, we just don't like that particular question. I'm not unhappy, I just don't like this question. I am very happy and blessed beyond what I deserve, but I don't like this problem. Let me judge what I should do with my car, thanks. Remember that no one is forcing you to participate. IMO this problem is dead, waste your time if you want. I went out. Peace
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| smoorebmw (682hp) | Quote: Posted by scottz5 I'm away. Bye!
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| 1alejandro (615hp) | The Official Rollover/Acceleration Delay/Throttle Delay/Initial Takeoff Issue for the 2011 528i Solutions and Complaint Instructions Introduction You are at a busy intersection trying to navigate traffic dense. You see an opening and mash the gas pedal, but the car doesn't seem to respond immediately. he hesitates. or it stings slowly. You want to open the door, put your foot on the curb (remember the Flintstones) and move the car forward. the person in the car behind you yells at you: GO! GO! GO! SILLY! .WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? You frantically continue to mash the gas pedal and suddenly, wham. you are thrown into oblivion and you take off. You're heading straight to the hospital for one of two reasons: either you have whiplash or someone hit your side because you pushed too long. Okay, okay. so maybe it's a bit of an exaggeration, but I also bet it's not far from many true stories, if not close to it. The problem of tipping, delay in acceleration and initial takeoff is serious and a safety problem. Read the discussions and reviews of users who complain about it and note how many owners are worried about the unknown. If you try to slow down the acceleration, will the car take off fast enough and/or shake you. is it going to be okay or not? The unknown can be dangerous. This problem is not new with 2011 models. It has existed for several years in several BMW models, but has apparently become more noticeable in models equipped with the N52 engine (and perhaps a few others). However, from my investigations, it appears that in the 2011 528i models, this phenomenon has become more pronounced. more aggressive. and therefore more noticeable and more annoying. as well as a security issue. Frankly, I don't see how BMW ignores this like they do. With the extreme number of complaints about it. and the fact that many have given up on buying BMW vehicles for this reason alone, AND as smart as their engineers are with almost every other aspect of their vehicles, I am almost in complete disbelief that they haven't found a solution to this problem. . Very few people will understand or accept that this is normal acceleration behavior for a vehicle, regardless of manufacturer. This thread and the instructions that follow for filing a complaint are specific to the 528i and not the 535i. However, it appears that the SIB 12 9 11 software update, mentioned in several places, will resolve the issue on the 535i models. and is specific ONLY to the 535i and not the 528i. It has been reported that this software update does not fix the 528i, although there appear to be unconfirmed reports that a few 528i owners have had this update and fixed the issue. If this has been confirmed, please post in this thread and let us know. Although this worked for some 528i owners, many service advisors will not apply this update because it is not assigned to the 528i. Extract from page 2 of the SIB: Situation E7x (X5, there are numerous discussions and reviews; there are several articles/threads/blogs referring to this problem. many major reviews mention it, as well as many user reviews. Obviously they can't all be included, but here are some links if you want to take the time to re-read some of them: Failover and initial acceleration issues fixed PROBLEM SOLVED!!... If yourF10 hesitates or stutters 0-10 mph Is there a "Tip-in" fix for the 528i? 2011 BMW 528i: It’s not just me! BMW 528i 2011: power there Tip-in, jerk, hesitation, functioning as expected? What BMW Owners Are Saying Highlighted comments from various places on this issue (some edits for spelling and grammar): I have experienced the same thing as many others where if you are at a complete stop and you go to accelerate, the car doesn't respond properly away and you naturally apply more gas and the car jumps in front of you. If you were to shift into D/S the car was perfect and you experienced no acceleration lag...it was almost as if the car was ready to start in 2nd gear rather than 1st. I don't know how to explain it...it seems like the pedal has to be depressed more than it should before you get immediate throttle response. Like a little blind spot, I guess. Only in normal mode. No lag in sport mode. The response is immediate. This has scared me many times when pulling out of a stop sign in traffic, thinking you have plenty of time and easily hit the gas only to find yourself moving like a snail and then having to stomp on it to move forward as traffic approaches. It's not the engine response that worries me. It is the ability to drive smoothly. I can't, and neither can my wife, get this car to move away from a dead stop or light stop rolling smoothly and at a constant speed, more than 20% of the time. You normally have three options for takeoff in this car: you have to tension the accelerator and move away like a cat burglar, stomp it and take off like Don Garlits, or use the normal throttle, which nothing happens during 2 seconds, then feel like a garbage truck has just hit you. I have a 2009 528i with sport package. My 5th BMW. They loaned me a 2011 528i for my last interview and I still can't believe how differently they drove. The 2011 felt bigger, but not just because the throttle tip was much more aggressive and, combined with the loose electric steering, was very disappointing. If this car was used for limousine service, the driver would have no regular customers. If your kids take their driving test in this car, they will fail. It really is that bad. I noticed this with an F10 528 loan. This throttle lag is not fun, especially if you need to extricate yourself from a situation. It is not a delay that reduces a transient overvoltage. This INCREASES the transient thrust as the car doesn't respond to the throttle for half a second, then rushes forward with an awkward lurch and clunk. It's much more difficult than a normal takeoff. It's not smooth at all. Some have described it as being in the back. For the sake of clarity, let's not call this a shift. Let's call it a lack of linear response to the accelerator pedal. I can't understand why BMW would design it this way intentionally. This just makes the car difficult to drive smoothly from a standing start. It's stupid. It's not the end of the world but it's stupid. I demonstrated to my tech that I was getting a 2 second lag when walking on it while going downhill at 20 mph. He easily recognized that this was a problem. My approach is that this is a security issue (which seriously it is) and I presented it that way. Edmunds Inside Line also noted the same problem with its long-term 528. It's not the turbo, it's the throttle and transmission programming.This is not at all related to the actual engine power. I was stunned as I wanted to accelerate smoothly (throttle pedal halfway) from around 35 mph only to notice this annoying delay and sudden surge when the car downshifted a gear or two. My wife has been driving my car a lot lately to cut down on the miles. She would agree with that, the lack of a linear response makes her nervous. She said the other day that she had to wait for a much bigger opening. I have a Honda that is also steer-by-wire, and that car's throttle response is instant and consistent throughout its pedal travel, not at all like the laziness of the BMW. I was at the dealership yesterday and asked my SA about this. She said they saw the problem with the 528i and seemed to admit there was a problem with that model. I simply blamed too many gears in the transmission! Was I wrong? I don't know... because the seller then told me to try the manual sport mode and the hesitation quickly disappeared! Whether or not this is technically considered a safety delay, I agree that there is one on the F10, and it was one on my previous E39... just not as pronounced. That being said, I hope you all realize that there is at least one aftermarket BMW supplier that makes an electronic harness specifically designed to eliminate this delay. I haven't looked yet, but I imagine they are working on an F10 solution as well, if they don't already have it. I was yielding at an intersection to turn left, and in ANY car I've owned before (BMW, Audi, Jeep), I would have stepped on it and gone through the intersection with ease. With the F10, I was waiting for oncoming cars to pass to be careful. Not cool. Toyota was forced to do a massive recall due to unintended acceleration likely caused by the floor mats or something stupid like that, not the vehicle's electronics. Here we have a similar issue affecting acceleration, apparently caused by a flaw in the wired throttle software, and there is no acknowledgment that a problem exists. What would it take to get the exposure needed for an encore? Is this problem potentially dangerous or is it just annoying? My problem is what happens when someone uses the car who has never driven it before or rarely drives it and is used to instant acceleration when they step on the accelerator? In my opinion, if I look in my rearview mirror and decide that it would be in my best interest to make more space between everything I see and myself - and to command my 300 HP vehicle to move forward in digging deep into my pedal - and it doesn't respond for 2 seconds (50 feet of unwanted closure with a vehicle to vehicle speed difference of only 35 mph), I would call that dangerous. Isn't it? I think BMW would agree. Now let's hope they can fix it. I guess it will take a few accidents, some deaths and a lot of bad publicity to get things going. It must be remembered. This is a big security issue. There are a few solutions Although this seems like only a temporary solution, you can reset the throttle body adaptation, which resets the driver's adaptive memory function by following these steps: 1) Press the button once Start to power on. Do not press the brake pedal or start the engine. 2) Press the accelerator to the floor for up to 60 seconds. You should hear a click to indicate that it is resetting. 3) Press the button again.
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| Sasuke (16hp) | About as good as it gets, well done!
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| freedom11 (14hp) | I hope more people join us in trying to solve this problem, yes we can!
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| 29091986 (855hp) | Not in the US, but cheers! I have the same problems and it gets a little better when the computer is reset...then a few days/weeks later it happens again. I hope that your insistence and that of other forum members will work!
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| muzik1 (637hp) | This is an excellent article! Long story short: I have exactly this problem and others like the shaking which have been fixed. The good news is that the dealer claims to have found a solution, which involves changing a certain part of the accelerator. I will drop the car off at the dealership in a few days. Patience my fellow sufferers. I will keep you informed of my results. --- To comment on some points in Sonnie's post: 1- I tried this throttle reset technique and it didn't work. 2- I insisted to my dealer to take action and he did so with the help of the workshop manager and a lot of patience on my part. He filed a Puma report with BMW Germany to find a solution. Firstly, it managed to solve the jerking problem, but I still had this lag in the throttle. So they sent another report to Germany and got the above response..
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| 060583 (809hp) | This is very promising news, Dr. Mohammed...and I certainly look forward to hearing from you on this solution. THANKS!
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| foresight (114hp) | Sonnie, thank you for this excellent article. Not in the US, so I probably can't write to complain. I only have one problem with sport mode. with normal it's fine, no asshole. I tried the reset method, it didn't help. We really need more voices. I took my car to the dealership a few months ago. They reinstalled the software for the throttle and transmission, that didn't help. The SA told me that there is no software update to fix this problem. Let's see if we can organize a compliant group here in Hong Kong with a few more 528i members.
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| klondike (821hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sonnie The rollover, acceleration delay and initial takeoff issue is serious and a safety issue. Read the discussions and reviews of users who complain about it and note how many owners are worried about the unknown. If you try to slow down the acceleration, will the car take off fast enough and/or shake you. is it going to be okay or not? The unknown can be dangerous. This problem is not new with 2011 models. It has existed for several years in several BMW models, but has apparently become more noticeable in models equipped with the N52 engine (and perhaps a few others). However, from my investigations, it appears that in the 2011 528i models, this phenomenon has become more pronounced. more aggressive. and therefore more noticeable and more annoying. as well as a security issue. This whole saga is interesting. But does this kind of problem only concern BMW? We use VW Caravelles and the last couple have 2.0d twin-turbo diesels with DSG (double clutch) automobiles. Guess what? We are having the exact same problem with one of them, the other perfect. The gradual start of traffic flows can become a complete unknown, even dangerous, because it disrupts what was initially good judgment. Other drivers may wonder what you're talking about when you have to interrupt a trip. I definitely suspect the VW's transmission software, as the dual-clutch transmission should be ready at all times, but it always messes up. But with two identical configurations, why is one correct and the other messy? There has to be more than just software. I wonder if with all the variations, the fixes that seem to work (for a while), the same thing on others doing nothing, are all due to the tolerance stacks in the build. Maybe it's become too sensitive and we find the problems, BMW, VW or whatever. I hope we don't go back to the good and the bad, that's not a way forward for any automaker. HighlandPete
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| bulldog8 (899hp) | One thing that really strikes me is that Burger Motorsports and Sprint Booster have made products that can totally eliminate lag. Granted, they cost around $300, but if they can make a product that completely eliminates it, there's no reason why BMW can't program it to eliminate it as well. I have not researched these products extensively, but from what I have read so far, owners who use them have reported that there is no more lag and their car is fun to drive again. The question for me is whether they affect gas mileage. According to Terry at BMS and Ken at SB, as long as you don't change your driving habits, there is no effect on gas mileage. If this is indeed the case, then BMW's claim that the shift is intended to improve fuel efficiency is called into question...and perhaps it is a scapegoat for a bigger problem that will cost them expensive if they admitted it was a problem. and must recall hundreds of thousands of cars. Then again, they seem to have already admitted that this was an issue with the 535i and released a software update for it. I don't understand how they can admit this is a problem on the 535i, but say it's normal for a 528i. Two different 535i owners also reported that their gas mileage improved after the software update. Go figure! Hey...I'll take a software update and improved gas mileage if a software update eliminates the lag...who wouldn't?
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| leckmich (567hp) | Well done Sonnie...well done for flying the flag on this one! It should definitely be sticky!
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| monique3 (662hp) | Um, unless your car has fenders, carries commercial passengers, runs on railroad tracks, or uses pipelines, the NTSB probably won't care about your numb throttle. I think you mean what your link is trying to tell you. The appropriate agency to report your safety concerns is the NHTSA, not the NTSB. [QUOTE=Sonnie,10214111][SIZE=3][B][FONT=Arial] Fourth, file a formal complaint with the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) В…..... https://www-odi. nhtsa .dot.gov/ivoq/ NTSB will document complaints….....and by law they are required to report complaints to BMW. Similar to the Better Business Bureau, if enough complaints are filed, they will investigate and may very well eventually force BMW to come up with a solution..
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| coda72 (305hp) | Looking at some of these aftermarket wheels and tires...I think some of them would drive on the railroad tracks with no problem. HOWEVER...error noted and information updated to reflect correct agency. Thanks for the details.
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| 08091981 (80hp) | Great article, if aftermarket companies can do it, so can BMW. My IQ tells me they didn't repair it for a reason or they designed it that way for a reason. I would bet on saving fuel and meeting standards.
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| fatman123 (856hp) | Quote: Originally posted by scottz5 Great article, if aftermarket companies can do it, so can BMW. My IQ tells me they didn't repair it for a reason or they designed it that way for a reason. I would bet on saving fuel and meeting standards. yeah, that's so they can write 20mpg City on the EPA sticker.
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| 1fish2fish (75hp) | Oddly enough, a few 535i owners say their gas mileage has improved since the software update that fixed their problem. This leads me to believe that it's really not necessary for better gas mileage..
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| demetrius (173hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sonnie Strangely enough, a few 535i owners claim their gas mileage has improved since the software update that fixed their problem. This leads me to believe that it's really not necessary for better gas mileage. I call bs, mine broke after updating and the hesitation returned as well. With all due respect, this is a well written article, but BMW is doing this for the federal government. This is not a problem and never will be for BMW, it's a way to improve the MPG for government standards. I'm just trying to be an honest person and anyone who does this is wasting their time. Really no disrespect, I just see things from a different perspective. BMW, if you're reading, I might still get on board. lol peace
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| milan7 (988hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 yeah that's so they can write 20mpg City on the EPA sticker. Gatoman39 is a really brilliant guy, I read his post. Peace
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| roxyroxy (318hp) | We have no reason to believe that anyone who claims to get better gas mileage is not telling the truth. They really have no reason to lie about it. It's disrespectful to accuse them of lying just because yours isn't better. Sorry your update didn't work for you, but nonetheless, this is for a different thread. This is more aimed at 528i owners who are not offered the software update..
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| dagobertsmurf (664hp) | Quote: Posted by Sonnie We have no reason to believe that anyone claiming better gas mileage isn't telling the truth. They really have no reason to lie about it. It's disrespectful to accuse them of lying just because yours isn't better. Sorry your update didn't work for you, but nonetheless, this is for a different thread. This is more for 528i owners who are not offered the software update. Once again a well written op. Ok, that was nice, your op talks about both cars. If you reread my post the hesitation returned just like the reset you describe in your op and my mpg went down 0.5. I think the D cars should but I'm not 100%, I think I read a few reviews that talked about the hesitation. Don't be sorry, it didn't work. If this fixed the hesitation, it would work for all cars with the new software version. but i guess you could call me bs, it's the internet after all. Look at the big picture, the 550 has none, the 535 a little and the 528 most. What does this mean? Guess which smaller engine is planned for 2012. BMW has no choice if it wants to continue making M cars. It's all about regulations. Think about what you want and if you don't like the car, sell it and move on. Life is too short to be unhappy. I was just trying to save you time and stress. Sorry if you were offended and I hope you get what you want. I don't know if I've said it, but I hate hesitation, especially after driving my wife's car. I think my brain is programmed to hit the gas harder. Don't disrespect anyone who told them you got better mpg. If you did, please post your views on this. Is your hesitation back? I would love to read other people's opinions. Peace
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| music4u (195hp) | I'm not offended...I was simply making a statement in response to your lack of respect for others. They might be offended...I'm not sure. Comments about better mpg are written in other threads. I just read where two 535i owners made this statement. Look around you, you will find it and you can chat with them as much as you want. I don't think any of us have said we don't like our cars, we just don't like that particular question. I'm not unhappy, I just don't like this question. I am very happy and blessed beyond what I deserve, but I don't like this problem. Let me judge what I should do with my car, thanks. Remember that no one is forcing you to participate.
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| 040192 (452hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sonnie I'm not offended...I was simply making a statement in response to your lack of respect for others. They might be offended...I'm not sure. Comments about better mpg are written in other threads. I just read where two 535i owners made this statement. Look around you, you will find it and you can chat with them as much as you want. I don't think any of us have said we don't like our cars, we just don't like that particular question. I'm not unhappy, I just don't like this question. I am very happy and blessed beyond what I deserve, but I don't like this problem. Let me judge what I should do with my car, thanks. Remember that no one is forcing you to participate. IMO this problem is dead, waste your time if you want. I went out. Peace
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| 290984 (180hp) | Quote: Posted by scottz5 I'm away. Bye!
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| emma2010 (269hp) | Has anyone used the following low beam and fog light replacements? Opinions please. www.BimmerXenon.com - The ultimate xenon for your automobile
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| angel33 (809hp) | Has anyone used the following low beam and fog light replacements? Opinions please. www.BimmerXenon.com - The ultimate xenon for your automobile
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| cust (759hp) | I know almost everyone here feels the same way, but I can't help but express my feelings! 10 hours since I became part of the f10 family and all I can say is I'm in love!!! The balance between sport, luxury and comfort is simply incredible in this car!! I know people have complaints, but hey, nothing is perfect in life and this beautifully designed and engineered machine comes eerily close.!!
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| kiwi12 (359hp) | CONGRATULATIONS!!
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| udmx6 (268hp) | Quote: Posted by joey5622 I know almost everyone here feels the same way, but I just can't help but express my feelings! 10 hours since I became part of the f10 family and all I can say is I'm in love!!! The balance between sport, luxury and comfort is simply incredible in this car!! I know people have complaints, but hey, nothing is perfect in life and this beautifully designed and engineered machine comes eerily close!! This is my first BMW 535i purchased in August 2011, I love my car. I have the 6 speed manual, great for driving here in Atlanta traffic......
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| dopeman1 (198hp) | I know almost everyone here feels the same way, but I can't help but express my feelings! 10 hours since I became part of the f10 family and all I can say is I'm in love!!! The balance between sport, luxury and comfort is simply incredible in this car!! I know people have complaints, but hey, nothing is perfect in life and this beautifully designed and engineered machine comes eerily close.!!
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| trovan (497hp) | CONGRATULATIONS!!
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| quidditch (704hp) | Quote: Posted by joey5622 I know almost everyone here feels the same way, but I just can't help but express my feelings! 10 hours since I became part of the f10 family and all I can say is I'm in love!!! The balance between sport, luxury and comfort is simply incredible in this car!! I know people have complaints, but hey, nothing is perfect in life and this beautifully designed and engineered machine comes eerily close!! This is my first BMW 535i purchased in August 2011, I love my car. I have the 6 speed manual, great for driving here in Atlanta traffic......
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| 090981 (863hp) | So life has been busy these last few weeks and I couldn't get my car back sooner! I came to pick her up today!!!! The only problem is that there are a few small scratches.. The dealer tried to polish it to find out more... Anyway, I took delivery (maybe it was a stupid move but she m 'just called..) the sales manager said he would get a professional to fix it for me and when we asked for a bigger discount he rejected the idea and said he would take care of it me instead. Nothing in writing, but I'll take his word for it. He's a pretty straight guy and I doubt he'll go back on his word. Need advice on what I should do about this? What should I ask? It's a shame that this happened but I love the car!!!!!!!!! The scratch is barely visible but I can get a little bit of my fingernail in it. I will post photos later!!
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| SYSDBA (740hp) | Did you receive an invoice for the repairs? If not, insist on having one.
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| score (225hp) | Quote: Originally posted by itschase Did you receive an invoice for the repairs? Otherwise, insist on getting one. Thanks for reporting this. I will do that!!
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| ashwani (155hp) | So life has been busy these last few weeks and I couldn't get my car back sooner! I came to pick her up today!!!! The only problem is that there are a few small scratches.. The dealer tried to polish it to find out more... Anyway, I took delivery (maybe it was a stupid move but she m 'just called..) the sales manager said he would get a professional to fix it for me and when we asked for a bigger discount he rejected the idea and said he would take care of it me instead. Nothing in writing, but I'll take his word for it. He's a pretty straight guy and I doubt he'll go back on his word. Need advice on what I should do about this? What should I ask? It's a shame that this happened but I love the car!!!!!!!!! The scratch is barely visible but I can put a little of my nail in it.. I will post photos later!!
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| teddy14 (996hp) | Did you receive an invoice for the repairs? If not, insist on having one.
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| qawsedr (444hp) | Quote: Originally posted by itschase Did you receive an invoice for the repairs? Otherwise, insist on having one. Thanks for pointing this out. I will do that!!
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| normandie (628hp) | I ordered the Hifi Professional with my car but did not specify the DVD playback capability. Should I assume that DVD playback comes standard with the system? I'm asking because I'm part of the DVDinMotion buying group but since I don't have my car yet I can't confirm if I can even play DVDs. Lucie from DVDinMotion recommends that I wait until I can verify if their workaround is even necessary. Can any of you confirm one way or the other? THANKS.
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| cosmos0901 (554hp) | You can play DVDs
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| josecarlos (502hp) | Yes, DVD playback is included.
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| Bigthistle (136hp) | Thanks guys.
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| moejoe (323hp) | I don't want to create confusion, but I have the pro hifi system (with 16 speakers and Dolby Surround) standard 7ґ screen and I cannot play DVDs. Is this a problem or the system (CIC head unit) doesn't really have a DVD?
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| shotta (677hp) | This is what I have! And now I already sent the payment to DVDinMotion.....come on guys, which one is it? Yes or no!?
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| 080874 (976hp) | Yes, it plays DVDs in countries that allow it. No, you can't play while moving (hence DVDInMotion). But WHY? For US$391 (or less), you can get a 2G 16GB iPad and put multiple DVDs in it. $170 is NOT worth it to unlock a moving DVD (US etc - I thought Europe allowed it anyway?).
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| Atlantis (79hp) | From what I've read, many things are locked into the US system when it's in motion. I'm in the UK and can program the navigation system on the go, read the first screen of emails I've received and pretty much everything else except using BMW Online. I've never tried a DVD so I don't know if it works in motion or not, I guess not.
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| glass (459hp) | For the record, I'm curious if the system can play DVDs. I understand that video is not possible while the vehicle is moving, over the entire range.
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| tumble (422hp) | I'm tempted to say yes as I think the hardware is standard with or without the hifi option, but given your location there might be laws or restrictions. To put your mind at ease why not call the dealer or just go down and pay a 5 on the lot. You should see a DVD on the entertainment screen or bring one in and insert it. BTW, I bought it from them a week after delivery at the end of December and I think it's worth it. The cool factor alone is worth $150. At the time I didn't even realize that you couldn't program the NAV on the go like you could in all my other BMWs, but that would have bothered me..
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| kenneth123 (821hp) | Maybe this company helps you guys? http://www.bmw-***********/
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| rose23 (241hp) | It's not HiFi Professional that lets you play a DVD, it's Navigation Professional as far as I know (just check the options list).
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| 198814 (763hp) | I wish it were as easy as stopping at the local dealership. I guess in third world countries they expect you to rely on other people's experiences when ordering a car, because that's what I did. My local dealership...the only one in the country...does not have any vehicles in stock. All cars are ordered for each customer. I didn't even get to test one. As for the location question, I'm not sure if this applies because my vehicle's specs don't mention any regional options except for warm climate ones. I guess it's the same as other European models. No local laws are actually obeyed, you see cars with in-dash video screens broadcasting all kinds of stuff all the time..
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| sidekick3 (300hp) | As far as I know, DVD playback is part of the professional navigation system with a larger screen. So if you don't have it, you won't have DVD playback. I don't think the professional hifi system has anything to do with the DVD.
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| 12121 (113hp) | I ordered the Hifi Professional with my car but did not specify the DVD playback capability. Should I assume that DVD playback comes standard with the system? I'm asking because I'm part of the DVDinMotion buying group but since I don't have my car yet I can't confirm if I can even play DVDs. Lucie from DVDinMotion recommends that I wait until I can verify if their workaround is even necessary. Can any of you confirm one way or the other? THANKS.
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| qazwsxedc12345 (2hp) | You can play DVDs
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| patricia3 (961hp) | Yes, DVD playback is included.
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| 07121993 (331hp) | Thanks guys.
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| steelers01 (194hp) | I don't want to create confusion, but I have the pro hifi system (with 16 speakers and Dolby Surround) standard 7ґ screen and I cannot play DVDs. Is this a problem or the system (CIC head unit) doesn't really have a DVD?
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| 21061978 (93hp) | This is what I have! And now I already sent the payment to DVDinMotion.....come on guys, which one is it? Yes or no!?
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| 01021975 (331hp) | Yes, it plays DVDs in countries that allow it. No, you can't play while moving (hence DVDInMotion). But WHY? For US$391 (or less), you can get a 2G 16GB iPad and put multiple DVDs in it. $170 is NOT worth it to unlock a moving DVD (US etc - I thought Europe allowed it anyway?).
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| BMWs52 (880hp) | From what I've read, many things are locked into the US system when it's in motion. I'm in the UK and can program the navigation system on the go, read the first screen of emails I've received and pretty much everything else except using BMW Online. I've never tried a DVD so I don't know if it works in motion or not, I guess not.
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| PhotoGuy87 (188hp) | For the record, I'm curious if the system can play DVDs. I understand that video is not possible while the vehicle is moving, over the entire range.
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| tennis22 (193hp) | I'm tempted to say yes as I think the hardware is standard with or without the hifi option, but given your location there might be laws or restrictions. To put your mind at ease why not call the dealer or just go down and pay a 5 on the lot. You should see a DVD on the entertainment screen or bring one in and insert it. BTW, I bought it from them a week after delivery at the end of December and I think it's worth it. The cool factor alone is worth $150. At the time I didn't even realize that you couldn't program the NAV on the go like you could in all my other BMWs, but that would have bothered me..
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| zaq!2wsx (278hp) | Maybe this company helps you guys? http://www.bmw-***********/
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| teddy6 (520hp) | It's not HiFi Professional that lets you play a DVD, it's Navigation Professional as far as I know (just check the options list).
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| 2122 (907hp) | I wish it was as easy as stopping at the local dealership. I guess in third world countries they expect you to rely on other people's experiences when ordering a car, because that's what I did. My local dealership...the only one in the country...does not have any vehicles in stock. All cars are ordered for each customer. I didn't even get to test one. As for the location question, I'm not sure if this applies because my vehicle's specs don't mention any regional options except for warm climate ones. I guess it's the same as other European models. No local laws are actually obeyed, you see cars with in-dash video screens broadcasting all kinds of stuff all the time..
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| 2German (823hp) | As far as I know, DVD playback is part of the professional navigation system with a larger screen. So if you don't have it, you won't have DVD playback. I don't think the professional hifi system has anything to do with the DVD.
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| dakota23 (815hp) | You can correct some wrong information (or rather irrelevant information) in your original post to avoid further confusion... BMS Powerbox is not available for F10/F11 models, at least not according to the official website: http://burgertuning. com/BMS_Power_Box.html
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| Alan l. (718hp) | I checked with Terry Burger that it is available before posting it, with permission from him to include it in my post. I can't answer why they don't include it on their website.
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| 18011995 (523hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sonnie I checked with Terry Burger that it was available before posting it, with permission from him to include it in my post. I can't explain why they don't include it on their website. What exactly is available? BMS PowerBox is NOT available for the new Series 5 models in any form and will not be available anytime soon. It's available for other models, but it's not really relevant for this section of the forum. Next time you post rumors/fairy tales, cite your reliable factual sources or don't post anything at all. Here I will show you how to do it: Hello, We have not made the PBX compatible with the BMW F10. The computer connectors are different. We are not currently working on any chips for this vehicle. Thank you for your interest in our products, Jason Burger Motorsports, LLC. BurgerTuning.com Email: [email protected]
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| elenka (987hp) | Amazing...sometimes I wonder why I bother with this nonsense. Can you show some respect, buddy. I don't like your accusations. What did I tell you? I told you I checked with Terry Burger to make sure it was available before posting it. Why the hell would I have a reason to lie? NONE! I did exactly what I said. I don't know how much more reliable a factual source you can get. Copying and pasting a bunch of words is no different than typing what I did. But I can do better... and copy images. You can be childish if you want, but it may behoove you to give others the benefit of the doubt and confirm with them privately before embarrassing yourself publicly. Below is a screenshot of my email dealings with Terry Burger, who I assume owns Burger Motorsports. Now...if Terry is wrong, so be it, BUT...if you want to disrespect and accuse someone of fairy tales and rumors...you have to blame Terry, not me. Go pick your nose somewhere else.
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| madison9 (435hp) | Sonnie, I agree with you. I also asked Jason from Burger Motor and he told me the PBX was suitable for the F10 528i and he provided me with a quote. I haven't ordered yet. However, another member from Hong Kong ordered the PBX and it was delivered for installation. Strangely the PBX does not work for our F10 and Burger Motor is willing to issue a full refund. I guess Burger didn't even know the PBX wasn't suitable for the F10 until recently.
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| thedoors1 (513hp) | I will send Terry another email and confirm. He may not have realized it...and there may have been a breakdown in communication within the company. If so, I'll update the main thread. Ken from Sprint Booster said they are working on a model and it should be ready in about a month..
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| reddog12 (574hp) | Bad news! I got my car back two days ago. I only wrote when I was sure of the results. Unfortunately, changing the throttle body did not work. Although there is an improvement, the throttle still lags at times. What a defective car this is!! I will go back. This time I'll make it a legal issue!
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| mustang94 (425hp) | Disappointment! Keep us informed!
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| iloveme11 (577hp) | I confirmed with Terry that he was indeed wrong and that they are NOT offering a Power Box for the 2011 models. We don't know when. I updated the OP.
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| spectre (42hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sonnie I confirmed with Terry that he was indeed mistaken and that they are NOT offering a Power Box for the 2011 models. No word on when. I updated the OP. You should also update the post n°26
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| 010791 (401hp) | There is nothing to update there. Besides... I think you're the only one who was concerned about this in the first place. You could have handled it a lot more maturely than you did, but hey... it is what it is. No reason to keep complaining.
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| akbar (917hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sonnie There's nothing to update there. The misleading information there is not really helpful for people looking to fix this problem with their vehicle, even though it comes from the owner of Burger Tuning. But if you're more concerned with proving something to someone on the internet rather than providing actually useful information, that's okay, you can leave it as is.
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| gabby (681hp) | I highly doubt anyone will read this post and not the rest...if you want to delete all your nonsense posts that show me all your disrespect I will delete this one too...otherwise please give give him a rest.
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| villas (852hp) | So, I went to the dealership, and talked to the manager, he came with me to check the car and then he (!) drove a new model of the same car to show me that this is a normal thing !! I can only be amazed at how normal this can be considered. I always feel the car stalling when I take a turn. The car doesn't react quickly enough. There is news about an upcoming update in November. I will wait for that before making the decision to sell the car. Better with a Merc I guess!
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| firedog1 (142hp) | Any news of an update in November? Does this come from your SA?
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| singapur (306hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Dr. Mohammed So, I went to the dealership and talked to the manager. He came with me to check the car, then he (!) drove a new model of the same car to show me that it was a normal thing!! I can only be amazed at how normal this can be considered. I always feel the car stalling when I take a turn. The car doesn't react quickly enough. There is news about an upcoming update in November. I will wait for that before making the decision to sell the car. Better with a Merc, I suppose! If I end up selling my F10... I'm completely moving away from German cars. From my own experience with my F10...the technology (throttle, transmission, steering, tires...) is simply not ready for production yet. It still requires a lot more testing and debugging. I just can't drive my car above 120 km/h if it's a bit windy. That’s how bad my leadership is. Yet BMW seems to be making the decision to start selling its products before they are mature. How can I be sure this won't happen to me again, say in 2016 or 2020? As far as I'm concerned, the brand name is here at the steak.
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| becky12 (327hp) | Quote: Originally posted by DuneMan From my own experience with my F10...the technology (throttle, transmission, steering, tires...) is simply not ready for production yet. It still requires a lot more testing and debugging. I just can't drive my car above 120 km/h if it's a bit windy. That’s how bad my leadership is. Yet BMW seems to be making the decision to start selling its products before they are mature. How can I be sure this won't happen to me again, say in 2016 or 2020? I tend to agree, upgrades and new technologies are coming quickly, too quickly, in my humble opinion. Something I felt with run flat technology, that hasn't been thought through, that hasn't been fully developed, that we have/are coming to terms with the limitations of. I am also concerned about the rapid evolution of the new engine range. I was looking to purchase the F10/11 last year, and the test drives left me with the feeling that as I was waiting to see them tuned up, it was clear to me that there were issues that needed to be addressed. My situation has changed since then and I'm looking to stick with the 3 series, but I'm very nervous about the impending new F30 3 series, as there will be a lot of new technology and design changes, all of a sudden. cut. I was just talking with my wife last night, and I was saying that we are in the wrong phase of the purchasing curve, we should be at mid-life (LCI) when most of the issues are debugged and improvements added. I worked with a fellow engineer who would never buy a new model, who was very smart, the time to buy was right before a model went out of production, usually best for quality and reliability. HighlandPete
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| carzaddict (545hp) | Quote: Originally posted by HighlandPete I tend to agree, upgrades, new technologies are coming quickly, too quickly, in my opinion. Something I felt with run flat technology, that hasn't been thought through, that hasn't been fully developed, that we have/are coming to terms with the limitations of. I am also concerned about the rapid evolution of the new engine range. I was looking to purchase the F10/11 last year, and the test drives left me with the feeling that as I was waiting to see them tuned up, it was clear to me that there were issues that needed to be addressed. My situation has changed since then and I'm looking to stick with the 3 series, but I'm very nervous about the impending new F30 3 series, as there will be a lot of new technology and design changes, all of a sudden. cut. I was just talking with my wife last night, and I was saying that we are in the wrong phase of the purchasing curve, we should be at mid-life (LCI) when most of the issues are debugged and improvements added. I worked with a fellow engineer who would never buy a new model, who was very smart, the time to buy was right before a model went out of production, usually best for quality and reliability. HighlandPete Your fellow engineer is wise and practical... he probably lives in a stress-free world - at least when it comes to cars. Some lessons learned for me from this F10: 1- Never buy a first year model. 2- keep checking reviews and discussion forums for common issues. 3- If the problems of the first year are major, skip the production of the second year as well. 4- Brand names no longer mean much in terms of reliability.
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| diablo11 (901hp) | Quote: Originally posted by DuneMan If I end up selling my F10...I'm moving away from German cars completely. From my own experience with my F10...the technology (throttle, transmission, steering, tires...) is simply not ready for production yet. It still requires a lot more testing and debugging. I just can't drive my car above 120 km/h if it's a bit windy. That’s how bad my leadership is. Yet BMW seems to be making the decision to start selling its products before they are mature. How can I be sure this won't happen to me again, say in 2016 or 2020? As far as I'm concerned, the brand name here is steak. You can buy whatever you want and feel like it suits you. They all rush to the market. I wish I was the kind of guy who could wait. I always want the last one. So for me, it’s always a crapshoot. A really smart person buys a lightly used car with service records that are a few years old. They can also search for the car. Different shots, different people. Peace
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| carlos25 (850hp) | This has probably been said fifty-eleven times already, but go to any car forum and about 75% of the posts are complaints of one sort or another..
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