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| bicicleta (744hp) | Quote: Posted by Delphi I am like a beginner when it comes to this car, which I want to order next month. I will appreciate any help from users with experience with BMW and especially with this F10 model. I'm interested in the European version. I'm on a tight budget, so I'll go for the 520 diesel, which I believe will be available from November this year. Does the default Control Screen 7 have navigation support? Or is this only available for optional Business and Professional navigation? I never found any reference to the default CD/DVD audio system. Is it a CD or a DVD? or maybe a stand? Also supported mp3 etc/. Does anyone have an idea if there are multiple "assembly" lines within the factory, such as having one for Western Europe and another for Eastern? Thank you very much, any response will be greatly appreciated! Check here http://f10.5post.com/goodiesforyou/f10-catalog.pdf
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| 21061994 (255hp) | I plan to place this order in Germany. carl_d Thanks for the link which was very useful. There is one more question I would really like to find an answer to, so does anyone have any idea if there are multiple "assembly" lines within the German factory, like having cars for Western Europe and another for Eastern? Or... whatever for different locations, like WV and Audi do. I'm curious about this since I've heard the quality isn't the same .
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| hockey11 (376hp) | The desired website to configure a car is www.bmw.com. It will take you to the German car configurator so you can see what equipment is standard and what choices you have. Where your car might be built depends on the model it is rather than its intended purpose. (An exception is probably China, where cars are assembled exclusively, I think, for the Chinese market.) BMW's Dingolfing plant makes 5, 6 and 7 series cars for all destinations. The 3 Series sedans are manufactured in Munich and South Africa. Series 1 and 3 coupes and convertibles are manufactured in Regensburg. I believe there is also a factory in Dresden and I believe the other Series 1 cars are assembled there. X cars are manufactured in South Carolina (USA) and Z cars in Austria. Every plant. to my knowledge there is only one assembly line. It is amazing to see the variety of models and equipment combined in one line. I have never heard of any quality issues related to the factory where BMWs are assembled. Build quality is influenced much more by design and engineering than the assembly process itself..
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| egor.vasilin (209hp) | I'm like a beginner when it comes to this car, which I want to order next month. I will appreciate any help from users with experience with BMW and especially with this F10 model. I'm interested in the European version. I'm on a tight budget, so I'll go for the 520 diesel, which I believe will be available from November this year. Does the default Control Screen 7 have navigation support? Or is this only available for optional Business and Professional navigation? I never found any reference to the default CD/DVD audio system. Is it a CD or a DVD? or maybe a stand? Also supported mp3 etc/. Does anyone have an idea if there are multiple "assembly" lines within the factory, such as having one for Western Europe and another for Eastern? Thank you very much, any response will be much appreciated!
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| slipknot5 (280hp) | Where is this Europe you are talking about? If you are in a real country, go to the BMW website for that country. This is the best place to learn how cars in your particular market segment are equipped. Even within Europe there are regional differences. Either way, you can be happy with the wide range of choices available to you that aren't available to your friends in the United States and Canada. Good luck!
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| star28 (300hp) | Quote: Posted by Delphi I am like a beginner when it comes to this car, which I want to order next month. I will appreciate any help from users with experience with BMW and especially with this F10 model. I'm interested in the European version. I'm on a tight budget, so I'll go for the 520 diesel, which I believe will be available from November this year. Does the default Control Screen 7 have navigation support? Or is this only available for optional Business and Professional navigation? I never found any reference to the default CD/DVD audio system. Is it a CD or a DVD? or maybe a stand? Also supported mp3 etc/. Does anyone have an idea if there are multiple "assembly" lines within the factory, like having one for Western Europe and another for Eastern? Thank you very much, any response will be greatly appreciated! Check here http://f10.5post.com/goodiesforyou/f10-catalog.pdf
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| lklklk (695hp) | I plan to place this order in Germany. carl_d Thanks for the link which was very useful. There is one more question I would really like to find an answer to, so does anyone have any idea if there are multiple "assembly" lines within the German factory, like having cars for Western Europe and another for Eastern? Or... whatever for different locations, like WV and Audi do. I'm curious about this since I've heard the quality isn't the same .
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| babygirl55 (406hp) | The desired website to configure a car is www.bmw.com. It will take you to the German car configurator so you can see what equipment is standard and what choices you have. Where your car might be built depends on the model it is rather than its intended purpose. (An exception is probably China, where cars are assembled exclusively, I think, for the Chinese market.) BMW's Dingolfing plant makes 5, 6 and 7 series cars for all destinations. The 3 Series sedans are manufactured in Munich and South Africa. Series 1 and 3 coupes and convertibles are manufactured in Regensburg. I believe there is also a factory in Dresden and I believe the other Series 1 cars are assembled there. X cars are manufactured in South Carolina (USA) and Z cars in Austria. Every plant. to my knowledge there is only one assembly line. It is amazing to see the variety of models and equipment combined in one line. I've never heard of any quality issues related to the factory where BMWs are assembled. Build quality is influenced much more by design and engineering than the assembly process itself..
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| 17071978 (615hp) | Quote: Posted by kripsykreme After reading the entire forum on the new 5. It's interesting to see the comments so divergent. This left me wondering what comes next. Driver who praised the capabilities of the F10, how many of them have gone through the generation of 5 or more BMWs? It appears that the driver criticizing the F10 either owns an M or has owned several BMWs in the past. I really think F10 really lives off the name that the previous 5 earned. Anyway, just a thought. If I get an F10 (which is my current plan), it will be my fifth Five Series. (See signature.) I had an E34, three E39s, but just couldn't bring myself to get an E60, hence the E92 335i and the E90 M3. But I'm pretty sure I'll go back to the Fiver with the F10...probably a 550i.
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| fordranger (185hp) | Quote: Originally posted by MBrown1003 If I get an F10 (which is my current plan), it will be my fifth Series Five. (See signature.) I had an E34, three E39s, but just couldn't bring myself to get an E60, hence the E92 335i and the E90 M3. But I'm pretty sure I'll go back to the Fiver with the F10...probably a 550i. Good luck with F10. Because it won't be an E34 or an E39 in any way. F10 is too common. I had an E34, two E39s, an E60. I will be getting an F10 M5 which will also be my 5th 5. I just don't like the base F10. Just doesn't drive like a 5 should
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| subadar (9hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Robin des Bois I came from a 6MT E90 M3, had an E46 M3 before, a 330i E90 and a 335i. This is my 8th BMW in a row... And I praise my 535i. No 5, that's true. I come from 525i E34, 530i E39, M5 E39, M5 E60. None 5, E46 M3, E90 335i, E93 M3 (technically my wife's), E82 135i. Although I also had other cars, I haven't had a BMW in my garage since 2001. I stand by my comment. Every change on the 5 from E39 and onwards has not been favorable in my opinion. It just doesn't handle well anymore and it's no longer fun.
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| 131986 (67hp) | Quote: Originally posted by kripsykreme No 5 on the right. I come from 525i E34, 530i E39, M5 E39, M5 E60. None 5, E46 M3, E90 335i, E93 M3 (technically my wife's), E82 135i. Although I also had other cars, I haven't had a BMW in my garage since 2001. I stand by my comment. Every change on the 5 from E39 and onwards has not been favorable in my opinion. It just doesn't handle well or have fun anymore. The 5er looks a bit like a boat, just like an E60. But I still drive hard in the corners. I've driven/followed more BMWs than you can imagine. 15 years ago, I was a BMW salesman. So there you go, and tell me something I don't know. THANKS. The E34 was the sportiest 5er ever made. By far, especially the 3.8 M5. Excellent. Well done Robin
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| lovemama (959hp) | I also drove the 550. The HUD is awesome! I found the tilt angle of the screen seemed a bit odd as it's not adjustable and is tilted quite high in my opinion (or maybe I'm just too short), but it It's an impressively large screen. I'm not sure I like the console it's in, with the weird side panels on the left and right. The beastly engine is pretty quiet, but the turbo whine is definitely audible (not my cup of tea, but maybe I'll change my mind once I see my gas bills reduce). There are way too many buttons now and I think technology has taken over the car a bit. Parking your car in reverse now feels like a video game with a massive amount of cameras detecting cars left, right, behind you and painting the lines for you, which is completely incredible. I referenced it to the Audi A6, which was completely unfair since it wasn't the quattro and used the smaller engine. Anyone know what the Auto H button does??
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| billy123 (70hp) | Quote: Posted by SCtud Anyone know what the Auto H button does? You press this button when you are standing in front of a traffic light or a traffic jam and the car remains stationary in D (bank) without having to keep your foot on the brake pedal. Step on the accelerator and you start moving forward again. Something very sweet.
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| chichi11 (217hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Vertigo//SD I too drove the 550i yesterday at a driving event. Nice car overall, but I didn't like the floating feeling. Maybe it's because I'm currently in a Z4 M coupe and previously in an E46 M3 coupe... I've also noticed the floating sensation. I'll have to spend more time on it to really gauge how I feel...no twists and turns where I got to try the F10.
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| MAGANDA (273hp) | I just drove the 550i and 535i. The 550i was ridiculously fast and quiet. The 535i was quick, but doesn't throw you back in your seat, you can also hear the engine a lot more. I think the most important thing I took away from the test drive is that the Drive Dynamic package is a must, it's like having 4 cars in one.!
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| Zack G. (39hp) | Quote: Originally posted by tony20009 I also noticed the floating sensation. I'll have to spend more time there to really gauge how I feel... no twists and turns where I got to try the F10. I agree, just driving down the road makes you feel like you're floating. But once you get through a few corners, the car really holds together. Much more than you think. And with IAS, you get fast steering response. (Some people think too quickly).
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| lumina (613hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Robin des Bois The 5er looks a bit like a boat, just like an E60. But I still drive hard in the corners. I've driven/followed more BMWs than you can imagine. 15 years ago, I was a BMW salesman. So there you go, and tell me something I don't know. THANKS. The E34 was the sportiest 5er ever made. By far, especially the 3.8 M5. Excellent. Well done Robin. Aren't we a little touchy today? 5er is boat compared to the three lightest. But I really didn't think it would become a barge. F10 looked like a barge. Drive hard through the corners, and then the F10 felt like a barge. Yes, the body roll is minimized, but it's slow to move and I don't like floating on water. I was wrong to compare any M to the base F10. I just don't find that the current dynamics of the F10 impress me.
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| 03061996 (564hp) | I have to tell Krispykreme that your overall assessment is valid because it is your personal impression that is far in the minority. The F10, whether it's your type of machine or not, remains an impressive development and, like many things in life, will bring both joy and MORE joy. Around town, especially where you live, the 535 and 550, from what I've been told, should be much more responsive and performance oriented than the M series. I've never driven an M series , but many told me that it was designed for a track and on the street it was like having a greyhound in a kennel, it's embarrassing. As for me, I have 1 week from when I receive delivery of my 550 here in Germany and I can't wait! Reading these articles has been both good and bad, it's like watching people eat steak at a big steakhouse. It makes you even hungrier, but at least you know from people's expressions that it's going to taste delicious..
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| milanova-kira (76hp) | Quote: Originally posted by kripsykreme 5er is a boat compared to three lighter ones. An E90 M3 is also a boat. The 535i is only 80kg heavier. The Pilot Sports tires help a little. And that's about it. Follow an E90 M3 and you'll see what I mean. After a round or 2 .
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| dok74rus (453hp) | Quote: floating feeling This is not the car for me............. The M3 may be just a little lighter, but no floating feeling.... ......I'll stick with the M3 and see what the next 3 series bring..............
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| finlandia (303hp) | I don't have this hatred for the F10, I really don't. Here's a suggestion to the I hate the F10 brigade: open your mind, forget any prejudices you might have about the F10 and just take the car for a test drive..
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| rockstar24 (355hp) | I drove a 550, a 535 and an MB E350 today. I have a green 335 now but came out of a 2005 E55 and a 2002 540 before that. I was really surprised how smooth and floaty the E350 felt, more like a Lexus. Different races for different people, but generally MB has a firmer ride. The transmission was terrible. I don't know if there is an adaptive transmission that has been beaten up and needs to be reset. I caught it several times and had some very difficult up and down shifts. The Nav was a tremendous improvement over my old COMAND in the E55. With the exception of some gripping brakes, I really liked the 535. Definitely more power than the Benz. For all of you who think it's floaty, have you tried the Benz? The GS? I'd be curious about the new Jag. I haven't tried any yet. The 550 would be the car for me. I was lucky enough to run it at about 10 mph on an on-ramp. Great power. Little to no turbo lag. Is it as maneuverable as an M3? No. Did you really think that would be the case? Now when the new one comes out 6?
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| #1princess (166hp) | I've also driven 535i, E350 and 550i. I have to dismiss the E350 first. Sleek and luxurious, but slow and heavy compared to the 5er. And even the interior was a bit disappointing. The F10 is a great car. It might be a little too heavy, but that's probably why it feels a lot more luxurious than the E60. And it still handles at least as well as the E60, and better than the competition. I agree with most people here that the 550i was the star of the event. It was filled with many gifts and was extremely fast. Dynamic driving (possibility of selecting comfort/normal/sport/sport+ modes) is simply brilliant! Still, the 535i was very good. I'm thinking of buying one, with manual transmission. Am I crazy?
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| 031288 (925hp) | Quote: Posted by wac77 Still, the 535i was very good. I'm thinking of buying one, with manual transmission. Am I crazy? Of course not. Your car is here. I'm getting more and more used to the clutch. Not perfect yet, but much better.
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| maxou (354hp) | I went to the BMW event in Toronto this morning and was able to test drive the 535i, 550i and a few other non-5 BMWs. Although I agree with some who say the car is lacking in some dynamic scenarios "BMW" I found was a good compromise to the E60 and everything it could have been instead of what it is. I drove (didn't own, but drove the E60 quite extensively in different scenarios), and aside from feeling heavier, I actually liked the F10 a lot more overall. Every product is a collection of different things, and every package has its elements. The E60 had its compromises, and I'm sure (although I never drove anything below the E60) the E34 had compromises as well. The F10 is just a different set of compromises than enthusiasts are used to seeing from BMW. Instead of talking about the sportier side, they took a more luxurious side, but the car remains VERY, VERY sporty. Sure, it wasn't anywhere close to the 135i or 335i that I also drove, but it's also not built for this market. Of course, there are a few people (maybe thousands, but a small percentage nonetheless) of customers who would have appreciated a slightly smaller, lighter, less luxurious and much sportier F10. And if I was in the market for a car in the segment, I would be one of those people. But BMW isn't looking to increase sales to a few enthusiasts, they want to increase mass sales, and I'm sure the package they came up with is what customers wanted/thought they wanted..
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| practice (475hp) | Quote: Posted by kripsykreme After reading the entire forum on the new 5. It's interesting to see the comments so divergent. This left me wondering what comes next. Driver who praised the capabilities of the F10, how many of them have gone through the generation of 5 or more BMWs? It appears that the driver criticizing the F10 either owns an M or has owned several BMWs in the past. I really think F10 really lives off the name that the previous 5 earned. Anyway, just a thought. If I get an F10 (which is my current plan), it will be my fifth Five Series. (See signature.) I had an E34, three E39s, but just couldn't bring myself to get an E60, hence the E92 335i and the E90 M3. But I'm pretty sure I'll go back to the Fiver with the F10...probably a 550i.
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| 080783 (713hp) | Quote: Originally posted by MBrown1003 If I get an F10 (which is my current plan), it will be my fifth Series Five. (See signature.) I had an E34, three E39s, but just couldn't bring myself to get an E60, hence the E92 335i and the E90 M3. But I'm pretty sure I'll go back to the Fiver with the F10...probably a 550i. Good luck with F10. Because it won't be an E34 or an E39 in any way. F10 is too common. I had an E34, two E39s, an E60. I will be getting an F10 M5 which will also be my 5th 5. I just don't like the base F10. Just doesn't drive like a 5 should
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| memories1 (54hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Robin des Bois I came from a 6MT E90 M3, had an E46 M3 before, a 330i E90 and a 335i. This is my 8th BMW in a row... And I praise my 535i. No 5, that's true. I come from 525i E34, 530i E39, M5 E39, M5 E60. None 5, E46 M3, E90 335i, E93 M3 (technically my wife's), E82 135i. Although I also had other cars, I haven't had a BMW in my garage since 2001. I stand by my comment. Every change on the 5 from E39 and onwards has not been favorable in my opinion. It just doesn't handle well anymore and it's no longer fun.
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| 121074 (942hp) | Quote: Originally posted by kripsykreme No 5 on the right. I come from 525i E34, 530i E39, M5 E39, M5 E60. None 5, E46 M3, E90 335i, E93 M3 (technically my wife's), E82 135i. Although I also had other cars, I haven't had a BMW in my garage since 2001. I stand by my comment. Every change on the 5 from E39 has not been favorable in my opinion. It just doesn't handle well and isn't fun anymore. The 5er looks a bit like a boat, just like an E60. But I still drive hard in the corners. I've driven/followed more BMWs than you can imagine. 15 years ago, I was a BMW salesman. So there you go, and tell me something I don't know. THANKS. The E34 was the sportiest 5er ever made. By far, especially the 3.8 M5. Excellent. Well done Robin
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| CAMOKAT (107hp) | I also drove the 550. The HUD is awesome! I found the screen tilt angle seemed a bit odd as it's not adjustable and is tilted quite high in my opinion (or maybe I'm just too short), but it It's an impressively large screen. I'm not sure I like the console it's in, with the weird side panels on the left and right. The beastly engine is pretty quiet, but the turbo whine is definitely audible (not my cup of tea, but maybe I'll change my mind once I see my gas bills reduce). There are way too many buttons now and I think technology has taken over the car a bit. Parking your car in reverse now feels like a video game with a massive amount of cameras detecting cars left, right, behind you and painting the lines for you, which is completely incredible. I referenced it to the Audi A6, which was completely unfair since it wasn't the quattro and used the smaller engine. Anyone know what the Auto H button does??
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| boomer (410hp) | Quote: Posted by SCtud Anyone know what the Auto H button does? You press this button when you are standing in front of a traffic light or a traffic jam and the car remains stationary in D (bank) without having to keep your foot on the brake pedal. Step on the accelerator and you start moving forward again. Something very sweet.
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| wankers (46hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Vertigo//SD I too drove the 550i yesterday at a driving event. Nice car overall, but I didn't like the floating feeling. Maybe it's because I'm currently in a Z4 M coupe and previously in an E46 M3 coupe... I've also noticed the floating sensation. I'll have to spend more time on it to really gauge how I feel...no twists and turns where I got to try the F10.
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| qweqaz (914hp) | I just drove the 550i and 535i. The 550i was ridiculously fast and quiet. The 535i was quick, but doesn't throw you back in your seat, you can also hear the engine a lot more. I think the most important thing I took away from the test drive is that the Drive Dynamic package is a must, it's like having 4 cars in one.!
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| bmwpwer (928hp) | Quote: Originally posted by tony20009 I also noticed the floating sensation. I'll have to spend more time there to really gauge how I feel... no twists and turns where I got to try the F10. I agree, just driving down the road makes you feel like you're floating. But once you get through a few corners, the car really sticks. Much more than you think. And with IAS, you get fast steering response. (Some people think too quickly).
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| f10.gola (504hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Robin des Bois The 5er looks a bit like a boat, just like an E60. But I still drive hard in the corners. I've driven/followed more BMWs than you can imagine. 15 years ago, I was a BMW salesman. So there you go, and tell me something I don't know. THANKS. The E34 was the sportiest 5er ever made. By far, especially the 3.8 M5. Excellent. Well done Robin. Aren't we a little touchy today? 5er is boat compared to the three lightest. But I really didn't think it would become a barge. F10 looked like a barge. Drive hard through the corners, and then the F10 felt like a barge. Yes, the body roll is minimized, but it's slow to move and I don't like floating on water. I was wrong to compare any M to the base F10. I just don't find that the current dynamics of the F10 impress me.
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| pokemon100 (831hp) | I have to tell Krispykreme that your overall assessment is valid because it is your personal impression that is far in the minority. The F10, whether it's your type of machine or not, remains an impressive development and, like many things in life, will bring both joy and MORE joy. Around town, especially where you live, the 535 and 550, from what I've been told, should be much more responsive and performance oriented than the M series. I've never driven an M series , but many told me that it was designed for a track and on the street it was like having a greyhound in a kennel, it's embarrassing. As for me, I have 1 week from when I receive delivery of my 550 here in Germany and I can't wait! Reading these articles has been both good and bad, it's like watching people eat steak at a big steakhouse. It makes you even hungrier, but at least you know from people's expressions that it's going to taste delicious..
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| 10031987 (494hp) | Quote: Originally posted by kripsykreme 5er is a boat compared to three lighter ones. An E90 M3 is also a boat. The 535i is only 80kg heavier. The Pilot Sports tires help a little. And that's about it. Follow an E90 M3 and you'll see what I mean. After a round or 2 .
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| lotus7 (789hp) | Quote: floating feeling This is not the car for me............. The M3 may be just a little lighter, but no floating feeling.... ...... I'll stick with the M3 and see what the next 3 series bring..............
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| badboy4 (234hp) | I don't have this hatred for the F10, I really don't. Here's a suggestion to the I hate the F10 brigade: open your mind, forget any prejudices you might have about the F10 and just take the car for a test drive..
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| metoo (154hp) | I drove a 550, a 535 and an MB E350 today. I have a green 335 now but came out of a 2005 E55 and a 2002 540 before that. I was really surprised how smooth and floaty the E350 felt, more like a Lexus. Different races for different people, but generally MB has a firmer ride. The transmission was terrible. I don't know if there is an adaptive transmission that has been beaten up and needs to be reset. I caught it several times and had some very difficult up and down shifts. The Nav was a tremendous improvement over my old COMAND in the E55. With the exception of some gripping brakes, I really liked the 535. Definitely more power than the Benz. For all of you who think it's floaty, have you tried the Benz? The GS? I'd be curious about the new Jag. I haven't tried any yet. The 550 would be the car for me. I was lucky enough to run it at about 10 mph on an on-ramp. Great power. Little to no turbo lag. Is it as maneuverable as an M3? No. Did you really think that would be the case? Now when the new one comes out 6?
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| harriett (787hp) | I've also driven 535i, E350 and 550i. I have to dismiss the E350 first. Sleek and luxurious, but slow and heavy compared to the 5er. And even the interior was a bit disappointing. The F10 is a great car. It might be a little too heavy, but that's probably why it feels a lot more luxurious than the E60. And it still handles at least as well as the E60, and better than the competition. I agree with most people here that the 550i was the star of the event. It was filled with many gifts and was extremely fast. Dynamic driving (possibility of selecting comfort/normal/sport/sport+ modes) is simply brilliant! Still, the 535i was very good. I'm thinking of buying one, with manual transmission. Am I crazy?
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| BMW4631 (467hp) | Quote: Posted by wac77 Still, the 535i was very good. I'm thinking of buying one, with manual transmission. Am I crazy? Of course not. Your car is here. I'm getting more and more used to the clutch. Not perfect yet, but much better.
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| secret3 (196hp) | I went to the BMW event in Toronto this morning and was able to test drive the 535i, 550i and a few other non-5 BMWs. Although I agree with some who say the car is lacking in some dynamic scenarios "BMW" I found was a good compromise to the E60 and everything it could have been instead of what it is. I drove (didn't own, but drove the E60 quite extensively in different scenarios), and aside from feeling heavier, I actually liked the F10 a lot more overall. Every product is a collection of different things, and every package has its elements. The E60 had its compromises, and I'm sure (although I never drove anything below the E60) the E34 had compromises as well. The F10 is just a different set of compromises than enthusiasts are used to seeing from BMW. Instead of talking about the sportier side, they took a more luxurious side, but the car remains VERY, VERY sporty. Sure, it wasn't anywhere close to the 135i or 335i that I also drove, but it's also not built for this market. Of course, there are a few people (maybe thousands, but a small percentage nonetheless) of customers who would have appreciated a slightly smaller, lighter, less luxurious and much sportier F10. And if I was in the market for a car in the segment, I would be one of those people. But BMW isn't looking to increase sales to a few enthusiasts, they want to increase mass sales, and I'm sure the package they came up with is what customers wanted/thought they wanted..
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| yousmell (176hp) | According to Autocar, the journey on 18 RFT is poor without VDC and UK cars are waiting for a solution? (make sure you read all tabs at the link below) http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/...W-530d/248585/
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| glassman (656hp) | I'm thinking of adding VDC to my order but I'm not sure. Does anyone have any experience with a car with VDC ??
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| ghosts1 (106hp) | Quote: Originally posted by E60525d I'm thinking of adding VDC to my order, but I'm not sure. Does anyone have any experience with a car with VDC? I'll wait for M-Sport, I hope the suspension fix will be fixed by then.
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| lovelost (908hp) | Quote: Originally posted by E60525d I'm thinking of adding VDC to my order, but I'm not sure. Does anyone have any experience with a car with VDC? Oh I forgot to say all the early launch test cars had Adaptive Drive and VDC, 18 RFT and said the ride was very good..
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| wentworth1 (722hp) | I also remember reading a review saying the ride with the 18 and VDC is good, but I can't seem to find that test drive now. As far as I know, VDC is not standard on any model. It's an optional extra that costs around Ј900 for all models. Quote: I'll wait for M-Sport, hopefully the suspension fix will be fixed by then. What solution will it be? The M Sport's ride will be firmer than the SE's because it will feature different dampers, springs and bushings like the E60. PS here are some renderings of the M5, if the M Sport is half as good as this it will be awesome
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| Charly (808hp) | Quote: Originally posted by E60525d I also remember reading a review saying the ride with the 18 and VDC is good, but I can't find that test drive now. As far as I know, VDC is not standard on any model. It's an optional extra that costs around Ј900 for all models. What solution will it be? The M Sport's ride will be firmer than the SE's because it will feature different dampers, springs and bushings like the E60. PS here are some renders of the M5, if the M Sport looks half as good as this it will be awesome Yeah this is all a bit confusing... Looks like I can't have a VDC without Adaptive Drive on a 535i SE urgh. I'm not upset about the firm handling of the RFTs, but I am very concerned about the rolly-polly turn in the Autocar threads below. I'm going to wait for M-Sport but I wanted a 535i M-Sport with VDC and no Adaptive Drive nonsense instead. We'll have to wait for the M-Sport specifications. At Autocar First, we'd avoid choosing anything larger than the 18-inch wheels on our test car. Smaller wheels are standard and, if you can stand their looks, they'll be even better at delivering a truly isolated ride. As it stands, the 18-inchers coupled with our test car's standard (passive, non-adjustable) suspension let more pronounced road imperfections affect the cabin in a way that a Mercedes E-Class does. out of 17 does not. Adaptive dampers are optional on all models. Once installed, small undulations are handled much better. Brake, turn (even modestly) and introduce a broken surface into the equation and this 5 Series tester fails to keep out thumps with the same aplomb as a car with adaptive suspension (even on 19-inch wheels ) or a Class E. We understand that a service is planned. BMW says the 5 Series is the most overtly sporty car in this class, and while it has an agility advantage over the E-Class, it lacks the center-swivel, floaty feel of the Jaguar XF . In this SE spec and without the active chassis, it also rides more and has looser body control, surprisingly for anyone coming from the old model. The BMW's electric power steering is good in its own right (avoid the artificial feel of Active Steer), but lacks smoothness compared to the XF..
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| 135642 (807hp) | Are car journalists really that stupid or are they just doing this to annoy me? People seem to forget that normal BMW models are designed for luxury driving, just like a Mercedes-Benz, a Lexus or even a Jaguar. So why on earth would anyone take a 530d SE for a spin expecting it to be a sports sedan? For the love of God...
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| Nvus22 (336hp) | Same here, I'll sacrifice ride and handling for luxury and a good ride.
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| 66chevelle (572hp) | Go drive the new 5 series with 20 tires and without Adaptive Drive, the handling is not good, not good at all. This is a must-have option in my opinion, especially if you venture from the stock 18 rims. I will say that when equipped with AD and 20, the 535d rides better than my XF on 20, which I think is high praise indeed..
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| lickme69 (537hp) | I think Autocar is systematically anti-BMW.
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| pitbul (532hp) | Quote: Originally posted by TonyMeister Are automotive journalists that stupid or are they just doing this to annoy me? People seem to forget that normal BMW models are designed for luxury driving, just like a Mercedes-Benz, a Lexus or even a Jaguar. So why on earth would anyone take a 530d SE for a spin expecting it to be a sports sedan? Damn... That's why they're journalists, they can't get real work because they lack scientific judgment. Just sensationalize and make things up to sell magazines.
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| celina1 (397hp) | Quote: Posted by carl_d I think Autocar is systematically anti-BMW. Yes, in recent years they have gone from what I would have called pro-BMW to quite the opposite now. Maybe BMW doesn't put as much advertising in its rags as it used to. Not that such things should ever affect a journalist's bottom line. A perfect example of a bias ratio (IMO) is the recent Autobild test of the new 5 Series, E-Class, A6, XF and C6. How the hell did they put the XF last when almost every recent review has had it first or thereabouts. But then again, it's a German magazine and the first three cars were all German..
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| jaz123 (225hp) | I found an Autocar article that says VDC is definitely worth buying, active steering is not, and dynamic driving depends on your preferences. http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/still...-the-same.aspx I will buy the magazine later which gives more details.
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| lizards (206hp) | Quote: Originally posted by E60525d I found an Autocar article that says VDC is definitely worth buying, active steering is not, and dynamic driving depends on your preferences . http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/still...-the-same.aspx I'll buy the magazine later which goes into more detail. Don't waste your money like on the website at the links above.
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| 221272 (789hp) | Yes, but in the magazine there is also a test drive WITHOUT active steering, VDC and dynamic driving and I would like to see what they think about it. Test drive on site is a 530d with all these extras.
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| BartM3 (874hp) | Quote: Originally posted by E60525d Yes, but in the magazine there is also a test drive WITHOUT active steering, WITHOUT VDC and dynamic driving and I would like to see what they think about it. Test drive there is a 530d with all these extras. Yes, that's the link at the top of this thread, be sure to hit each tab to read everything. It's exactly the same copy that I have in the magazine in front of me
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| fannie1 (879hp) | Driving my 2007 335i Cabrio (18 wheel with sport package) with the flat tires was a nightmare. The dealer replaced them with RFTs from another BMW approved brand, which was no better, so I traded the car in. The easy-going passengers were commenting on how uncomfortable the ride was and I had to shake it off. My 2007 X5 4.8i Sport with RFT was marginal, but I got it to 15 miles when it needed new tires, so I replaced those tires with standard rubber and it was MUCH better. It is very comfortable on rough surfaces, even with 20 wheels. I pass the VDC on my 2011 535i order and get 19 OEM wheels and put non RFT tires on them..
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| 270878 (617hp) | Jamie's comments (Autocar) are perfect.
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| buckethead (898hp) | I tested an F10 530d with all the electronic damping equipment + active steering + 331 19 alloys. Nice smooth ride and in sport it still feels like a Citroën C6 compared to my E90 M3 also equipped with EDC in soft mode I love and am used to firm driving (with a 120d/330i/335i equipped with M Technik and 17 /18RFT's) for about 5 years, so the M3 is a bumpy car... I know a 5 series is more about comfort than sport, but I opted for the slightly firmer version. and 1 cm lowered (code 704) OEM M Technik suspension +19 331 and my dealer told me today that M Technik is not compatible with electronic damping elements, so I stick to M Technik . Bravo Robin (who is making an appointment with her dentist at the moment LOL)
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| novita (879hp) | Bosse
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| jabba1 (168hp) | At Dallas Lagoon. I'm absolutely baffled that you thought the ride was too hard and traded in your car because of it. I have absolutely NO regrets about my 335 sport with 18 RFT. It's not hard...it's an awesome sports car. You should know how to drive what you have in your garage. BUT... this proves to me once again that we cannot be satisfied with what others say. It is IMPERATIVE to test drive these cars before making such a commitment. I don't think you're wrong about Lagunadallas...just that we differ on what we consider a hard or comfortable ride. Mad. enjoy your toys!!!!
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| mimimimi (927hp) | Quote: Originally posted by TonyMeister Are automotive journalists that stupid or are they just doing this to annoy me? People seem to forget that normal BMW models are designed for luxury driving, just like a Mercedes-Benz, a Lexus or even a Jaguar. So why on earth would anyone take a 530d SE for a spin expecting it to be a sports sedan? Damn... I think you haven't understood, if you read the F10 brochure, on page 6, you will notice the following: "the new BMW 5 Series sedan displays a dynamic and sporty presence, yet classic and elegant”. BMWs are identified as sports sedans, this is and always has been the company's philosophy - long may it remain so. I drove the 530d on 17 rims with stock suspension and the Jaguar 3.0DS on 20 rims included in the "Portfolio" package and after spending about 3 hours in each car, I completely agree with the Autocar report. Compared to my E92 330d M Sport, the 5 and XF both exhibit significantly more body roll in corners and pitch over bumps. Naturally, this is to be expected, but, albeit reluctantly, I have to admit that the XF is a more engaging drive, particularly when it comes to steering feedback. However, I think BMW will redress the balance with larger wheels, VDC and active hydraulic roll bars. The Jaguar has fancy blue instrument lighting, lots of aluminum and tacky chrome plastic that will always attract bling enthusiasts, while the BMW maintains its understated elegance in quality materials. However, this is all a matter of taste and there is no debate on that. Dynamically the differences are minimal and they are both very accomplished SPORTY sedans - if you want luxurious motoring, buy a Lexus or a river barge with wheels. As for the mental acuity of auto journalists, you are correct in assuming that they are part of a collective conspiracy to piss you off and, based on your comments, it would seem that they have achieved their goal with consummate ease, simply because you... If you're paranoid, there's no reason to think that everyone isn't out to get you! And, just to disclaim any presumptions, I'm not a journalist, just an avid driver and, having owned over 40 cars, I think I can speak from an informed point of view..
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| Agrieast (186hp) | According to Autocar, the journey on 18 RFT is poor without VDC and British cars are waiting for a solution? (make sure you read all tabs at the link below) http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/...W-530d/248585/
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| 12051994 (610hp) | I'm thinking of adding VDC to my order but I'm not sure. Does anyone have any experience with a car with VDC ??
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| babygurl09 (506hp) | Quote: Originally posted by E60525d I'm thinking of adding VDC to my order, but I'm not sure. Does anyone have any experience with a car with VDC? I'll wait for M-Sport, I hope the suspension fix will be fixed by then.
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| formule1 (152hp) | Quote: Originally posted by E60525d I'm thinking of adding VDC to my order, but I'm not sure. Does anyone have any experience with a car with VDC? Oh I forgot to say all the early launch test cars had Adaptive Drive and VDC, 18 RFT and said the ride was very good..
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| tigger45 (135hp) | I also remember reading a review saying the ride with the 18 and VDC is good, but I can't seem to find that test drive now. As far as I know, VDC is not standard on any model. It's an optional extra that costs around Ј900 for all models. Quote: I'll wait for M-Sport, hopefully the suspension fix will be fixed by then. What solution will it be? The M Sport's ride will be firmer than the SE's because it will feature different dampers, springs and bushings like the E60. PS here are some renderings of the M5, if the M Sport is half as good as this it will be awesome
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| 21091993 (769hp) | Quote: Originally posted by E60525d I also remember reading a review saying the ride with the 18 and VDC is good, but I can't find that test drive now. As far as I know, VDC is not standard on any model. It's an optional extra that costs around Ј900 for all models. What solution will it be? The M Sport's ride will be firmer than the SE's because it will feature different dampers, springs and bushings like the E60. PS here are some renders of the M5, if the M Sport looks half as good as this it will be awesome Yeah this is all a bit confusing... Looks like I can't have a VDC without Adaptive Drive on a 535i SE urgh. I'm not upset about the firm handling of the RFTs, but I am very concerned about the rolly-polly turn in the Autocar threads below. I'm going to wait for M-Sport but I wanted a 535i M-Sport with VDC and no Adaptive Drive nonsense instead. We'll have to wait for the M-Sport specifications. At Autocar First, we'd avoid choosing anything larger than the 18-inch wheels on our test car. Smaller wheels are standard and, if you can stand their looks, they'll be even better at delivering a truly isolated ride. As it stands, the 18-inchers coupled with our test car's standard (passive, non-adjustable) suspension let more pronounced road imperfections affect the cabin in a way that a Mercedes E-Class does. out of 17 does not. Adaptive dampers are optional on all models. Once installed, small undulations are handled much better. Brake, turn (even modestly) and introduce a broken surface into the equation and this 5 Series tester fails to keep out thumps with the same aplomb as a car with adaptive suspension (even on 19-inch wheels ) or a Class E. We understand that a service is planned. BMW says the 5 Series is the most overtly sporty car in this class, and while it has an agility advantage over the E-Class, it lacks the center-swivel, floaty feel of the Jaguar XF . In this SE spec and without the active chassis, it also rides more and has looser body control, surprisingly for anyone coming from the old model. The BMW's electric power steering is good in its own right (avoid the artificial feel of Active Steer), but lacks smoothness compared to the XF..
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| sexydiva1 (744hp) | Are car journalists really that stupid or are they just doing this to annoy me? People seem to forget that normal BMW models are designed for luxury driving, just like a Mercedes-Benz, a Lexus or even a Jaguar. So why on earth would anyone take a 530d SE for a spin expecting it to be a sports sedan? For the love of God...
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| cheetos (458hp) | Same here, I'll sacrifice ride and handling for luxury and a good ride.
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| 29041985 (649hp) | Go drive the new 5 series with 20 tires and without Adaptive Drive, the handling is not good, not good at all. This is a must-have option in my opinion, especially if you venture from the stock 18 rims. I will say that when equipped with AD and 20, the 535d rides better than my XF on 20, which I think is high praise indeed..
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| 010490 (917hp) | I think Autocar is systematically anti-BMW.
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| rfhbyrf (709hp) | Quote: Originally posted by TonyMeister Are automotive journalists that stupid or are they just doing this to annoy me? People seem to forget that normal BMW models are designed for luxury driving, just like a Mercedes-Benz, a Lexus or even a Jaguar. So why on earth would anyone take a 530d SE for a spin expecting it to be a sports sedan? Damn... That's why they're journalists, they can't get real work because they lack scientific judgment. Just sensationalize and make things up to sell magazines.
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| Martyn.Simm (566hp) | Quote: Posted by carl_d I think Autocar is systematically anti-BMW. Yes, in recent years they have gone from what I would have called pro-BMW to quite the opposite now. Maybe BMW doesn't put as much advertising in its rags as it used to. Not that such things should ever affect a journalist's bottom line. A perfect example of a bias ratio (IMO) is the recent Autobild test of the new 5 Series, E-Class, A6, XF and C6. How the hell did they put the XF last when almost every recent review has had it first or thereabouts. But then again, it's a German magazine and the first three cars were all German..
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| bailey77 (712hp) | I found an Autocar article that says VDC is definitely worth buying, active steering is not, and dynamic driving depends on your preferences. http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/still...-the-same.aspx I will buy the magazine later which gives more details.
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| 02041980 (187hp) | Quote: Originally posted by E60525d I found an Autocar article that says VDC is definitely worth buying, active steering is not, and dynamic driving depends on your preferences . http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/still...-the-same.aspx I'll buy the magazine later which goes into more detail. Don't waste your money like on the website at the links above.
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| peaches09 (884hp) | Yes, but in the magazine there is also a test drive WITHOUT active steering, VDC and dynamic driving and I would like to see what they think about it. Test drive on site is a 530d with all these extras.
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| 198509 (874hp) | Quote: Originally posted by E60525d Yes, but in the magazine there is also a test drive WITHOUT active steering, VDC and dynamic drive and I would like to see what they think. Test drive there is a 530d with all these extras. Yes, that's the link at the top of this thread, be sure to hit each tab to read everything. It's exactly the same copy that I have in the magazine in front of me
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| aqua (720hp) | Driving my 2007 335i Cabrio (18 wheel with sport package) with the flat tires was a nightmare. The dealer replaced them with RFTs from another BMW approved brand, which was no better, so I traded the car in. The easy-going passengers were commenting on how uncomfortable the ride was and I had to shake it off. My 2007 X5 4.8i Sport with RFT was marginal, but I got it to 15 miles when it needed new tires, so I replaced those tires with standard rubber and it was MUCH better. It is very comfortable on rough surfaces, even with 20 wheels. I pass the VDC on my 2011 535i order and get 19 OEM wheels and put non RFT tires on them..
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| verunka (543hp) | Jamie's comments (Autocar) are perfect.
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| krokodil (864hp) | I tested an F10 530d with all the electronic damping equipment + active steering + 331 19 alloys. Nice smooth ride and in sport it still feels like a Citroën C6 compared to my E90 M3 also equipped with EDC in soft mode I love and am used to firm driving (with a 120d/330i/335i equipped with M Technik and 17 /18RFT's) for about 5 years, so the M3 is a bumpy car.... I know a 5 series is more about comfort than sport, but I opted for the slightly firmer version. and 1 cm lowered (code 704) OEM M Technik suspension +19 331 and my dealer told me today that M Technik is not compatible with electronic damping, so I stick to M Technik. Bravo Robin (who is making an appointment with her dentist at the moment LOL)
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| pringles (375hp) | Bosse
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| chakra (154hp) | At Dallas Lagoon. I'm absolutely baffled that you thought the ride was too hard and traded in your car because of it. I have absolutely NO regrets about my 335 sport with 18 RFT. It's not hard...it's an awesome sports car. You should know how to drive what you have in your garage. BUT... this proves to me once again that we cannot be satisfied with what others say. It is IMPERATIVE to test drive these cars before making such a commitment. I don't think you're wrong about Lagunadallas...just that we differ on what we consider a hard or comfortable ride. Mad. enjoy your toys!!!!
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| princess93 (722hp) | Quote: Originally posted by TonyMeister Are automotive journalists that stupid or are they just doing this to annoy me? People seem to forget that normal BMW models are designed for luxury driving, just like a Mercedes-Benz, a Lexus or even a Jaguar. So why on earth would anyone take a 530d SE for a spin expecting it to be a sports sedan? Damn... I think you haven't understood, if you read the F10 brochure, on page 6, you will notice the following: "the new BMW 5 Series sedan displays a dynamic and sporty presence, yet classic and elegant”. BMWs are identified as sports sedans, this is and always has been the company's philosophy - long may it remain so. I drove the 530d on 17 rims with stock suspension and the Jaguar 3.0DS on 20 rims included in the "Portfolio" package and after spending about 3 hours in each car, I completely agree with the Autocar report. Compared to my E92 330d M Sport, the 5 and XF both exhibit significantly more body roll in corners and pitch over bumps. Naturally, this is to be expected, but, albeit reluctantly, I have to admit that the XF is a more engaging drive, particularly when it comes to steering feedback. However, I think BMW will redress the balance with larger wheels, VDC and active hydraulic roll bars. The Jaguar has fancy blue instrument lighting, lots of aluminum and tacky chrome plastic that will always attract bling enthusiasts, while the BMW maintains its understated elegance in quality materials. However, this is all a matter of taste and there is no doubt about it. Dynamically the differences are minimal and they are both very accomplished SPORTY sedans - if you want luxurious motoring, buy a Lexus or a river barge with wheels. As for the mental acuity of auto journalists, you are correct in assuming that they are part of a collective conspiracy to piss you off and, based on your comments, it would seem that they have achieved their goal with consummate ease, simply because you... If you're paranoid, there's no reason to think that everyone isn't out to get you! And, just to disclaim any presumptions, I'm not a journalist, just an avid driver and, having owned over 40 cars, I think I can speak from an informed point of view..
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| deedeedee1 (664hp) | Finally, you can start building the 528i and view all the available options on the BMW US website.
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| kitten69 (55hp) | I just saw this this morning! Just add the X models...
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| spamar33 (538hp) | Just add diesel engines...530d and 540d for US market please.?
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| nightrider (199hp) | Finally, you can start building the 528i and view all the available options on the BMW US website.
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| already (726hp) | I just saw this this morning! Just add the X models...
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| 123456cc (205hp) | Just add diesel engines...530d and 540d for US market please.?
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| dedicated (490hp) | Explicit. I was sold on the xi, but now I'm moving to northern Virginia and I'm not sure I need the xDrive there. However, I'm also not sure the 400 hp TTV8 can effectively transmit power to the rear wheels without LSD. Thoughts?
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| gamma1 (104hp) | all wheels are great for cornering on dry pavement, I'm getting a 550xi for October or a 535xi, I don't know yet.
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| sixty (605hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Grizzles, all wheels are great for cornering on dry pavement, I'm getting a 550xi for October or a 535xi, I don't know yet. I don't understand the physics of what you are suggesting. The vectors in a turn for the front wheels are more or less perpendicular to the direction of travel of the wheels. Rotational force goes against this, doesn't it ??
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| 261095 (67hp) | Personally, I'm most concerned about the launch...will the 400 hp be too powerful for the rear wheels to handle in 1st and 2nd without LSD? Especially if hp/tq is increased via flash or melody..
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| Lizzie (127hp) | I currently have a 335xi with Dinan stage 2. No way this car will do the same thing with 2wd. Much safer and more secure with xdrive, of course. I have my order for 550xi with adaptive reader.
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| happyface (79hp) | Quote: Originally posted by raleedy I don't understand the physics of what you are proposing. The vectors in a turn for the front wheels are more or less perpendicular to the direction of travel of the wheels. The rotational force goes against this, doesn't it? Exactly. “Grip” and “traction” are also two different things. If you want traction (not to be confused with grip) on a wet/icy (mountainous) road while stationary: get the Xi. Otherwise, don't do it. The Xi is also always heavier. 0 to 60 times for rwd should be faster in real life. I remember the 0-60/100/120 mph acceleration test somewhere on the net between a heavy RWD Ferrari 599GTB and a 4WD Lamborghini Murcielago: the Ferrari won from stopping..
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| babaikram (675hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Robin Hood Exactly. “Grip” and “traction” are also two different things. If you want traction (not to be confused with grip) on a wet/icy (mountainous) road while stationary: get the Xi. Otherwise, don't do it. The Xi is also always heavier. 0 to 60 times for rwd should be faster in real life. I remember the 0-60/100/120 mph acceleration test somewhere on the net between a heavy RWD Ferrari 599GTB and a 4WD Lamborghini Murcielago: the Ferrari won from a standstill. The difference is that the Ferrari has a limited slip differential, while the BMW does not. So it has no problem hooking up to both rear wheels, whereas the BMW will only send power to one rear wheel at launch, resulting in a lot of wheel spin. (Plus the Murcielago also weighs more, AFAIK). I currently have a 335xi and offline it is much faster and easier to launch than a 335i (despite its heavier weight). Real world 0-60 times for the xi will definitely be faster on the 550 as well, but that's not a big deal for me... as long as I can still get a good launch and corner decently. Apparently BMW provides an electronic LSD with the 550i that activates when DSC is turned off, but I'm not 100% sure how that works...
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| springsteen (693hp) | Quote: Posted by ruxp The difference is that the Ferrari has a limited slip differential, while the BMW does not. So it has no problem hooking up to both rear wheels, whereas the BMW will only send power to one rear wheel at launch, resulting in a lot of wheel spin. (Plus the Murcielago also weighs more, AFAIK). I currently have a 335xi and offline it is much faster and easier to launch than a 335i (despite its heavier weight). Real world 0-60 times for the xi will definitely be faster on the 550 as well, but that's not a big deal for me... as long as I can still get a good launch and corner decently. Apparently BMW provides an electronic LSD with the 550i that activates when DSC is turned off, but I'm not 100% sure how it works. An LSD is actually not really necessary for 0-60 STRAIGHT LINE sprints, which we're talking about I guess. Look at the 550i 407BHP, just as fast as an E90 M3 (0-60) which weighs less and has 13BHP (EU) more + real lsd. I know it's all about huge torque, but who cares? Or do you want to drag race with it? Regardless, the Ferrari weighs more than the Murc. Your 335i also weighs significantly less than a 550i. And with Dinan it's quite fast (before the M3 I owned a stock E90 335i 6MT, great car) And yes my 535i has the same electronic 'lsd' as the 135i already has. It's almost a real mechanical LSD (I come from an E90 M3), and it does the job (in a bend) Anyway, not to be rude, I also live in a country with sometimes 50 centimeters of snow in a day, but still... get good winter tires. A Series 5 already has too much weight to carry, why overload it with X Drive? The near 50/50 arrangement will also be worse... No offense. Well done Robin
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| love1004 (817hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Robin Hood An lsd is actually not really necessary for 0-60 STRAIGHT LINE sprints, which is what we're talking about I guess... Look at the 550i 407BHP, just as fast as a E90 M3 (0-60) which weighs less and has 13BHP(EU) more + a real LSD. I know it's all about huge torque, but who cares? Or do you want to drag race with it? Regardless, the Ferrari weighs more than the Murc. Your 335i also weighs significantly less than a 550i. And with Dinan it's quite fast (before the M3 I owned a stock E90 335i 6MT, great car) And yes my 535i has the same electronic 'lsd' as the 135i already has. It's almost a real mechanical LSD (I come from an E90 M3), and it does the job (in a bend) Anyway, not to be rude, I also live in a country with sometimes 50 centimeters of snow in a day, but still... get good winter tires. A Series 5 already has too much weight to carry, why overload it with X Drive? The near 50/50 arrangement will also be worse... No offense. Well done Robin But your 335 was original, as was your 535i. Put a JB3 in it, and more than likely you'll be chirping the tires on launches. That's my main concern - I'll most likely tune my 550i, and 500+ horsepower + one wheel drive seems like a bad combination to me. But then, if e-LSD actually does its job, I guess that wouldn't be a problem. You are right about the Murcielago being lighter than the 599, my bad.
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| starling (924hp) | there are clips on YouTube with the 550 going full throttle. judge for yourself. I think it would be very good.
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| hotrod69 (351hp) | After driving a 550i with sport transexual, I heard a BMW rep say that this transexual is actually dual clutch. After feeling the smoothness of the gear changes, I almost believe it. Could this be the case and BMW remains silent? Incredibly good car.
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| mommy32 (587hp) | Quote: Posted by bernpep After driving a 550i transexual with sport, I heard a BMW rep say that this transexual is actually a dual clutch. After feeling the smoothness of the gear changes, I almost believe it. Could this be the case and BMW remains silent? Incredibly good car. According to ZF, who build this transmission, it has three multi-plate clutches and a direct connection to the engine, which I believe means no torque converter. I'm not an expert on transmissions though, so I'm hoping someone who is can chime in here. This is the ZF product page: http://www.zf.com/corporate/en/produ...nsmission.html I *think*, from what I've read here, that this is conceptually similar with a double clutch. system, but with the added benefit of being able to skip multiple gears. They also claim a 200ms shift time, which is roughly consistent with many dual-clutch implementations. When I drove the 550i, I thought it was a dual-clutch system, having previously driven an Audi S4 with their S-Tronic system. Either way, it's a very impressive transmission...
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| 12345love (58hp) | Is the sport transmission actually a different unit than the regular AT, or is it just programmed differently, with paddle shifters?
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| snatch1 (439hp) | After looking through their product pages more, I find where they mention the torque converter system. This actually makes it essentially an automatic transmission, not an automatic manual transmission like the dual clutch. It's considerably better than any other car I've driven before. Good enough that I'm not sure what I'm really giving up by not having a dual-clutch system. I'll add a disclaimer here and now, although I'm no expert, I've only driven the 550i once and a car with a proper dual clutch system (an Audi S4 with the S-Tronic transmission ) twice. So other than these facts taken directly from the ZF site, I have no idea what I'm talking about :-)
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| 20102011 (605hp) | Explicit. I was sold on the xi, but now I'm moving to northern Virginia and I'm not sure I need the xDrive there. However, I'm also not sure the 400 hp TTV8 can effectively transmit power to the rear wheels without LSD. Thoughts?
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| starstruck (871hp) | all wheels are great for cornering on dry pavement, I'm getting a 550xi for October or a 535xi, I don't know yet.
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| piggie (198hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Grizzles, all wheels are great for cornering on dry pavement, I'm getting a 550xi for October or a 535xi, I don't know yet. I don't understand the physics of what you are suggesting. The vectors in a turn for the front wheels are more or less perpendicular to the direction of travel of the wheels. Rotational force goes against this, doesn't it ??
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| alanna1 (929hp) | Personally, I'm most concerned about the launch...will the 400 hp be too powerful for the rear wheels to handle in 1st and 2nd without LSD? Especially if hp/tq is increased via flash or melody..
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| billyboy (722hp) | I currently have a 335xi with Dinan stage 2. No way this car will do the same thing with 2wd. Much safer and more secure with xdrive, of course. I have my order for 550xi with adaptive reader.
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| keyboard1 (233hp) | Quote: Originally posted by raleedy I don't understand the physics of what you are proposing. The vectors in a turn for the front wheels are more or less perpendicular to the direction of travel of the wheels. The rotational force goes against this, doesn't it? Exactly. “Grip” and “traction” are also two different things. If you want traction (not to be confused with grip) on a wet/icy (mountainous) road while stationary: get the Xi. Otherwise, don't do it. The Xi is also always heavier. 0 to 60 times for rwd should be faster in real life. I remember the 0-60/100/120 mph acceleration test somewhere on the net between a heavy RWD Ferrari 599GTB and a 4WD Lamborghini Murcielago: the Ferrari won from stopping..
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| michaelfed32 (92hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Robin Hood Exactly. “Grip” and “traction” are also two different things. If you want traction (not to be confused with grip) on a wet/icy (mountainous) road while stationary: get the Xi. Otherwise, don't do it. The Xi is also always heavier. 0 to 60 times for rwd should be faster in real life. I remember the 0-60/100/120 mph acceleration test somewhere on the net between a heavy RWD Ferrari 599GTB and a 4WD Lamborghini Murcielago: the Ferrari won from a standstill. The difference is that the Ferrari has a limited slip differential, while the BMW does not. So it has no problem hooking up to both rear wheels, whereas the BMW will only send power to one rear wheel at launch, resulting in a lot of wheel spin. (Plus the Murcielago also weighs more, AFAIK). I currently have a 335xi and offline it is much faster and easier to launch than a 335i (despite its heavier weight). Real world 0-60 times for the xi will definitely be faster on the 550 as well, but that's not a big deal for me... as long as I can still get a good launch and corner decently. Apparently BMW provides an electronic LSD with the 550i that activates when DSC is turned off, but I'm not 100% sure how that works...
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| mfractal (334hp) | Quote: Posted by ruxp The difference is that the Ferrari has a limited slip differential, while the BMW does not. So it has no problem hooking up to both rear wheels, whereas the BMW will only send power to one rear wheel at launch, resulting in a lot of wheel spin. (Plus the Murcielago also weighs more, AFAIK). I currently have a 335xi and offline it is much faster and easier to launch than a 335i (despite its heavier weight). Real world 0-60 times for the xi will definitely be faster on the 550 as well, but that's not a big deal for me... as long as I can still get a good launch and corner decently. Apparently BMW provides an electronic LSD with the 550i that activates when DSC is turned off, but I'm not 100% sure how it works. An LSD is actually not really necessary for STRAIGHT LINE 0-60 sprints, which I'm talking about I guess.. Look at the 550i 407BHP, just as fast as an E90 M3 (0-60) which weighs less and has 13BHP(EU) more + a real lsd. I know it's all about huge torque, but who cares? Or do you want to drag race with it? Regardless, the Ferrari weighs more than the Murc. Your 335i also weighs significantly less than a 550i. And with Dinan it's quite fast (before the M3 I owned a stock E90 335i 6MT, great car) And yes my 535i has the same electronic 'lsd' as the 135i already has. It's almost a real mechanical LSD (I come from an E90 M3), and it does the job (in a bend) Anyway, not to be rude, I also live in a country with sometimes 50 centimeters of snow in a day, but still... get good winter tires. A Series 5 already has too much weight to carry, why overload it with X Drive? The near 50/50 arrangement will also be worse... No offense. Well done Robin
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| 1379 (462hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Robin Hood An lsd is actually not really necessary for 0-60 STRAIGHT LINE sprints, which is what we're talking about I guess... Look at the 550i 407BHP, just as fast as a E90 M3 (0-60) which weighs less and has 13BHP(EU) more + a real LSD. I know it's a huge torque question, but who cares? Or do you want to drag race with it? Regardless, the Ferrari weighs more than the Murc. Your 335i also weighs significantly less than a 550i. And with Dinan it's quite fast (before the M3 I owned a stock E90 335i 6MT, great car) And yes my 535i has the same electronic 'lsd' as the 135i already has. It's almost a real mechanical LSD (I come from an E90 M3), and it does the job (in a bend) Anyway, not to be rude, I also live in a country with sometimes 50 centimeters of snow in a day, but still... get good winter tires. A Series 5 already has too much weight to carry, why overload it with X Drive? The near 50/50 arrangement will also be worse... No offense. Well done Robin But your 335 was original, as was your 535i. Put a JB3 in it, and more than likely you'll be chirping the tires on launches. That's my main concern - I'll most likely tune my 550i, and 500+ horsepower + one wheel drive seems like a bad combination to me. But then, if e-LSD actually does its job, I guess that wouldn't be a problem. You are right about the Murcielago being lighter than the 599, my bad.
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| snoopy3 (804hp) | there are clips on YouTube with the 550 going full throttle. judge for yourself. I think it would be very good.
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| Jim Chance (450hp) | After driving a 550i with sport transexual, I heard a BMW rep say that this transexual is actually dual clutch. After feeling the smoothness of the gear changes, I almost believe it. Could this be the case and BMW remains silent? Incredibly good car.
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| anand (295hp) | Quote: Posted by bernpep After driving a 550i transexual with sport, I heard a BMW rep say that this transexual is actually a dual clutch. After feeling the smoothness of the gear changes, I almost believe it. Could this be the case and BMW remains silent? Incredibly good car. According to ZF, who build this transmission, it has three multi-plate clutches and a direct connection to the engine, which I believe means no torque converter. I'm not an expert on transmissions though, so I'm hoping someone who is can chime in here. This is the ZF product page: http://www.zf.com/corporate/en/produ...nsmission.html I *think*, from what I've read here, that this is conceptually similar with a double clutch. system, but with the added benefit of being able to skip multiple gears. They also claim a 200ms shift time, which is roughly consistent with many dual-clutch implementations. When I drove the 550i, I thought it was a dual-clutch system, having previously driven an Audi S4 with their S-Tronic system. Either way, it's a very impressive transmission...
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