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| sunny1234 (447hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bmw_speeder_2010 It has always been this way, and it will continue to be this way until we, as a nation, as a land of American men and women, stand up and be heard. Well done, AB If you remove the impossible, what's left must be the answer. Perhaps we should consider that the government already reflects “our” values. We live beyond our means thanks to credit and we are willing to accept unrealistic bubbles (Tech, Real Estate...) if they generate disposable income even if it is not in our best long term interest. We grew on cheap energy from limited resources and continue to consume these resources at an ever-increasing rate. From a purely operational point of view, none of this makes sense. It looks like we're going to have to hit a very big wall before we realize that this approach really isn't viable. Simply heading towards the wall at very high speed only to get caught in a net (which almost collapsed financially last year) doesn't seem to be enough to get the job done. We're actually going to have to hit the wall and eliminate the population before reality sinks in. I'm not advocating hitting walls. I was simply raised by a dust bowl of Oklahoman who instilled in me a fear of depression from a very young age. I haven't experienced any harm but I've tasted enough to know that I don't want.
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| commodore1 (418hp) | Quote: Posted by lolachampcar If you remove the impossible, what's left must be the answer. Perhaps we should consider that the government already reflects “our” values. We live beyond our means thanks to credit and we are willing to accept unrealistic bubbles (Tech, Real Estate...) if it generates disposable income even if it is not in our best interest in the long term. We grew on cheap energy from limited resources and continue to consume these resources at an ever-increasing rate. From a purely operational point of view, none of this makes sense. It looks like we're going to have to hit a very big wall before we realize that this approach really isn't viable. Simply heading towards the wall at very high speed only to get caught in a net (which almost collapsed financially last year) doesn't seem to be enough to get the job done. In fact, we're going to have to hit the wall and eliminate the population before reality sinks in. I'm not advocating hitting walls. I was simply raised by a dust bowl of Oklahoman who instilled in me a fear of depression from a very young age. I haven't experienced any harm but I've tasted enough of it to know that I don't want it. I like your thought process. This rings so true, unfortunately. We are not rational beings. Yet they are still superb machines, and IMO worth every Pfennig. Personally, I'm just going to have to draw a line between what's satisfying enough for my sensory stimulation and what's really crazy. Have a great weekend! Cheers, AB
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| blitz1 (687hp) | 535The base price of the i is $49,600. The base price for the 550i is $59,700. They're about $1,000 to $1,500 less than 2010. Most options are priced the same as the 550i GT. The Dynamic Handling Package is $2,700 on both models. The Premium 1 package is $1,800 on the 535i and std. on the 550i The premium 2 package is $4,900 on the 535i and $2,800 on the 550i The sport package is $2,200 on both models For 36-month rentals, the residuals are 58% for the 535i and 54 % for the 550i. The money factors are 0.00250 for the 535i and 0.00230 for the 550i. I will post the full price printout on Monday when I have access to a scanner..
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| 181094 (430hp) | The official pricing sheet was released on Saturday, March 26, 2010. This comprehensive sheet includes all option combination prices for options included in multiple packages and is therefore more informative than the prices released so far. I updated my spreadsheet and included it with these new prices. The European shipping price is still listed as N/A and so I have assumed a 7% discount off the US MSRP for this issue in my spreadsheet. The sheet is protected to prevent changing cells, but can be unprotected because no password is required. I myself had difficulty downloading with Internet Explorer, but found Firefox to work well. The spreadsheet was created in Excel 2007. Price sheet added
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| 15091978 (994hp) | This is awesome!! May I suggest adding columns for the estimated bill: US Estimated Base Bill: =ROUND(0.92*C2/5.0)*5 Estimated Options Bill: =ROUND(0.91 *C6/5.0)*5 These estimates are based on previous prices charged for the year. So, for example, you should get these estimated invoice prices for the 550i: Base: $54,925 ZCV: $1,545 ZP2: $2,185 ZCW: $955 ZDH: $2,455 ZSP: $2,000 Note again that these are only estimates..
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| contender (890hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Masku This is awesome!! May I suggest adding columns for the estimated bill: US Estimated Base Bill: =ROUND(0.92*C2/5.0)*5 Estimated Option Bill: =ROUND(0.91) *C6/5.0)*5 These estimates are based on previous prices charged for the year. So, for example, you should get these estimated invoice prices for the 550i: Base: $54,925 ZCV: $1,545 ZP2: $2,185 ZCW: $955 ZDH: $2,455 ZSP: $2,000 Note again that these are only estimates. I did just that with the spreadsheet posted here. I compared some of the known invoice values (e.g. Metallic Paint) and they seem accurate..
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| sidney1 (709hp) | Quote: Posted by rocco90 Why is BMW so "shy" about introducing the 530d to the US market only with the 535i and 550i. A diesel equivalent will be ideal for many drivers. I don't understand BMW's pricing policy and the whole concept of going green. If they really want to introduce efficient cars to the American market, why not have the 530d? Take for example the Gran Turismo – it only comes in 550i – the most expensive version. They want to push people to buy their most expensive version first rather than trying to sell more efficient vehicles. In fact, I think the 530d is much better than the 535i and many drivers will prefer it. Maybe the European versions are almost the same price. I don't have the official US specifications in terms of MPG but I took for example the EU models and I calculated the L/km per US liquid gallon for the conversation: 535i - 0-100 km for 6 dry - Urban (11.8 L/100 km ~ 19.93 MPG) Extra urban 6.6 L ~ 35.64 MPG 530d - 0-100 km for 6.3 seconds - Urban (8 L/100 km ~ 29. 40 MPG) Extra Urban 5.3L ~44.38 MPG The bottom line is that the 530d is ~45% more efficient (urban) for only 0.3 seconds difference (0-60). Correct me if I'm wrong, but 44.38 MPG (Extra Urban) and such performance they can beat the competition. So why doesn't BMW want to introduce the 530d sooner to the US market? It's easy... because the 335d didn't sell well at all.
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| 290396 (666hp) | Is this a true statement? When equipped with the Sport Package, the new BMW 5 Series Sedan includes Adaptive Driving, which includes Driving Dynamics Control, Electronic Damper Control and Active Roll Stabilization..
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| jobjob (114hp) | Quote: Posted by oasis3582 It's easy... because the 335d didn't sell well at all. It's definitely a BMW problem. I don't know what they were thinking bringing this here. Bad call to BMW. They have a smaller diesel engine widely used in Europe, the 320d. Europeans almost never buy the 335d model. Overpriced and not great in the mpg department. The only 335ds you actually see are privately owned and the rest are undercover cops. Come on, BMWUSA is bringing the 320d model which would average about 68 mpg and I would buy one in a heartbeat. BMW makes a wonderful variety of diesel cars, too bad we never get to enjoy them on our shores.
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| cra (69hp) | It is interesting how the US market offers such fantastic accessibility, due to our demand potential which can lower prices and increase availability. However, in this MP's opinion, when compared to other vehicles available on the market today, there seems to be a certain gap between research and reality. When I say disconnect, I mean that many other automakers have apparently done better (?) statistical analysis to determine what percentage of the target population will be able and willing to leave their current brands to become new BMW customers (probably in taking a step back in features and functionality). But let's be honest, when it comes to factory-built machines, these are definitely the market leaders that everyone uses as a benchmark for comparison when it comes to driving experience. And rightly so. Personally, I love getting into my cockpit every day. What's driving this pricing and availability phenomenon for the new 5 Series, and making everyone around the world feel cheated by their local distributors' excessive profit taking, is the costs of running the brand. Although these costs are not publicly disclosed, they generate such returns that BMW certainly has no plans to scale back its multi-channel, multi-tiered media blitzkrieg. They've hired the best and brightest to work on selling more Bimmers, and it seems to be paying off in some markets. Huge investments in psychological and sociological research led them to the conclusion that skimping on MARCOM would mean losing momentum and therefore market share. Investors don't like this very much. So, once their media outlets step in and broadcast product and pricing information to everyone (and they've got everyone's attention), it's time to start capturing business by offering a competitive price. Attractive entry to those of us lucky enough to live in the aforementioned country. target geographies. So far, what has been the main reason for owning a BMW? Go figure...driving experience. Road feel, steering, power and weight distribution, solid brakes and BRAND IMAGE. But even in the best markets (from a consumer perspective), there is a pricing modeling conundrum, as some of us insist on finding good value in the lowest, most austere models. In summary, a handful of models in each range provide a higher percentage of ROMI (return on marketing investment), because BMW must offer lower end models in order to avoid becoming irrelevant to those below a certain level. certain income threshold. So, enabling more people to own a BMW, while maintaining build quality and innovation, has been a challenge. The ROMI imbalance rebalances when the vehicles are traded in (generally around 35,000 to 45,000 miles). BMW is able to sell the same machine more than once, and can then start charging for maintenance (which is a profit center for other competing brands, even when the vehicle leaves the dealership with zero miles). BMW is interested in pure mathematical and predictive economics. Think Business Intelligence Quant meets the 5th Avenue craftsman. But aren't there other options available to us, with similar or better pricing for more options and newer technology at a better price? Don't other manufacturers offer a better cost/benefit ratio compared to BMW's Efficient Dynamic concept? We must believe that,
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| tink08 (319hp) | Based on the ordering guide and pricing released today, I created a quick spreadsheet to calculate the MSRP price of the 2011 535i and 550i. I assumed the shipping price to Europe was 7% lower at US MSRP since I haven't seen that information yet. To calculate a price, simply enter a 1 or 0 next to each option in the options column, enter your tax rate, loan term in months, loan rate in APR, down payment amount , the discount from the MSRP, and you will get your monthly payment. . The gray cells at the bottom are where you enter these values other than the options column. I have not incorporated the rules shown in the ordering guide for what options should be ordered with other options, so refer to that when adding options to ensure your version is a configuration Valid BMW. Additionally, when you select a plan, the corresponding standalone options will be highlighted in gray so that you know which options remain to choose and which are already included in a plan so as not to make a double choice and artificially increase the price. Again, no formula to prevent this, so use common sense. The spreadsheet is protected to prevent accidental editing of cells. To edit protected cells, simply unprotect the worksheet. No password is required to do this. I just downloaded a new version which is correctly protected because the first one was not configured correctly. Personally I have trouble downloading with Internet Explorer, but it works fine when downloading with Firefox..
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| liefde (890hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Agni Can someone post or PM me the wholesale price list please. Me too please..... I would like to have one made to order
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| boobs2 (166hp) | So, for sale is a 2003 540i and a 2004 M3 Cab with aluminum roof. Both have an extra set of Blizzaks and winter wheels. All my BMWs are silver, so I guess the new 550 will be too. How much do you think the off-list reduction will be in the first 6 months? msch1 PS. Keep the X3si 2007
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| nathan05 (556hp) | Quote: Originally posted by hoehne Based on the ordering guide and pricing posted today, I created a quick spreadsheet to calculate the MSRP price of the 2011 535i and 550i. I assumed that the Shipping price to Europe was 7% lower than US MSRP since I haven't seen this information yet. Great! ....could you now create a spreadsheet that calculates the wholesale invoice?
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| ljrnjh (838hp) | In my opinion your rationale is perfectly sound, but what we need to consider are the missing elements in the model you have constructed, namely the participation of interest groups. Who benefits most from a high-consumption vehicle? Who would lose revenue (and therefore profits) by having more high-performance automobiles on our highways and roads? You guessed it, the oil and gas industry. George Bush & Co., Cheney and friends, yada yada yada. Think of it like this...if there is a perceived shortage of resources, gas and oil prices may continue to rise steadily, even though there is actually no shortage. Speculation (futures trading) and the search for profit (mutual funds, retirement funds, etc.) will be enough to influence or drive prices up to $100 per barrel and maintain them at that level permed. (**By the way, was anyone else stunned by the fact that the price of a barrel propagated by the media actually has no connection with the actual volume of crude stored by the US government? The reserves are still being quoted as if they have any idea why our price per gallon continues to rise above $3, it's really just smoke and mirrors. Do some research. about this and you will be shocked to know that we are all just being manipulated by fake information, squeezed like oranges for every drop...don't let me start...**). If we reduce our consumption by getting 45 mpg or 68 mpg or whatever, which is better than the ~18 mpg we average with most vehicles on the road today, we will require considerably less volume on an annualized basis. Energy companies will lose what is called asset velocity on their facilities (pipelines, etc.). The consequence will be a loss of profit margins and the life cycle of these enormous drilling and refining platforms will have to be further extended. This will significantly slow the pace of technological innovation in this sector. Then the analysts start to lose interest because the news sells off, so energy stock prices go down, and the handful of people at the top who own everything fail to make as much money as they promised to. their investors. They therefore lose their credibility. This makes them somewhat obnoxious, and we don't want to be around them when they become obnoxious. What we get because people don't want these barons to get upset is the hiring of a small army of lobbyists who camp out on Capitol Hill. They wine and dine, little by little attacking the best intentions of our elected officials. Politicians are offered either carrots (donations, parks for their communities, baseball fields for the children in their districts, etc.) or sticks (scandals, hired prostitutes, bad press and you can imagine the worst for yourselves ). Against all odds, these guys are forcing our politicians to see the way of the richest few. It has always been this way, and it will continue to be this way until we, as a nation, as a country of American men and women, stand up and be heard. In the meantime, everything will work as usual. The executives who run major automakers like BMW, Audi and MB who want to sell to our US market, as well as our domestic producers like GM, Ford, Chrysler in the US, are all influenced by these rich and powerful friends from prep school and college. These guys all grew up together, or went to school together, or belong to the same fraternal organization(s). You want a deal done, you?
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| 2524 (486hp) | I saw the 550xi above, is this true, can we get the 550 with xDrive???
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| 200192 (990hp) | Quote: Originally posted by RichReg Awesome! ....could you now create a spreadsheet that calculates the wholesale bill? No problem, PM me the invoice information and I can add it. If I'm bored tomorrow, I'll try to incorporate some rules to make the setup more idiot-proof..
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| ggggg1 (935hp) | Quote: Posted by hoehne No problem, PM me the invoice information and I can add it. If I'm bored tomorrow, I'll try to incorporate some rules to make the setup more idiot-proof. Hey, nice spreadsheet. Maybe others had the same thing, but I had to unprotect the spreadsheet so I could add or remove options (i.e. change the column value from 0 to 1 or vice versa) . Honey, thanks for doing this for us. Either way we cut it, it'll still be $1,000 a month for either vehicle, give or take $50...
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| rio7777 (510hp) | Like everyone else, if you PM me the ED/wholesale price, I would be very grateful
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| buddy99 (299hp) | Guys, be patient! Prices have been published for 24 hours, no one has seen an official price list yet and you are claiming wholesale prices. In my experience, it will be almost impossible to get even remotely close to the bill with a brand new model. It's always been that if you want the latest and trendiest thing, you end up paying for it. Sticker. This doesn't just apply to cars....Has anyone ever owned a NEO GEO? Remember: if you don't buy it, someone else will... Other than that, I'm so glad they released the prices and, by the way: the car is awesome. I only moved it a few hundred meters, but still...
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| billiard (719hp) | For us in Germany, the price of the 535i is really very low: $50,475 in the USA = 37,950,- (at the current exchange rate) compared to 50,300,- price in Germany. Plus, individual packages are mostly half price. ...
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| sunshine87 (356hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bmw_speeder_2010 It has always been this way, and it will continue to be this way until we, as a nation, as a land of American men and women, stand up and be heard. Well done, AB If you remove the impossible, what's left must be the answer. Perhaps we should consider that the government already reflects “our” values. We live beyond our means thanks to credit and we are willing to accept unrealistic bubbles (Tech, Real Estate...) if they generate disposable income even if it is not in our best long term interest. We grew on cheap energy from limited resources and continue to consume these resources at an ever-increasing rate. From a purely operational point of view, none of this makes sense. It looks like we're going to have to hit a very big wall before we understand that this approach really isn't viable. Simply heading towards the wall at very high speed only to find yourself caught in a net (which almost collapsed financially last year) doesn't seem to be enough to get the job done. We're actually going to have to hit the wall and eliminate the population before reality sinks in. I'm not advocating hitting walls. I was simply raised by a dust bowl of Oklahoman who instilled in me a fear of depression from a very young age. I haven't experienced any harm but I've tasted enough to know that I don't want.
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| croatia1 (397hp) | Quote: Posted by lolachampcar If you remove the impossible, what's left must be the answer. Perhaps we should consider that the government already reflects “our” values. We live beyond our means thanks to credit and we are willing to accept unrealistic bubbles (Tech, Real Estate...) if they generate disposable income even if it is not in our best long term interest. We grew on cheap energy from limited resources and continue to consume these resources at an ever-increasing rate. From a purely operational point of view, none of this makes sense. It looks like we're going to have to hit a very big wall before we understand that this approach really isn't viable. Simply heading towards the wall at very high speed only to find yourself caught in a net (which almost collapsed financially last year) doesn't seem to be enough to get the job done. We're actually going to have to hit the wall and eliminate the population before reality sinks in. I'm not advocating hitting walls. I was simply raised by a dust bowl of Oklahoman who instilled in me a fear of depression from a very young age. I haven't experienced any harm but I've tasted enough of it to know that I don't want it. I like your thought process. This rings so true, unfortunately. We are not rational beings. Yet they are still superb machines, and IMO worth every Pfennig. Personally, I'm just going to have to draw a line between what's satisfying enough for my sensory stimulation and what's really crazy. Have a great weekend! Cheers, AB
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| x-tian-X4.8 (614hp) | 535The base price of the i is $49,600. The base price for the 550i is $59,700. They're about $1,000 to $1,500 less than 2010. Most options are priced the same as the 550i GT. The Dynamic Handling Package is $2,700 on both models. The Premium 1 package is $1,800 on the 535i and std. on the 550i The premium 2 package is $4,900 on the 535i and $2,800 on the 550i The sport package is $2,200 on both models For 36-month rentals, the residuals are 58% for the 535i and 54 % for the 550i. The money factors are 0.00250 for the 535i and 0.00230 for the 550i. I will post the full price printout on Monday when I have access to a scanner..
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| dread1 (830hp) | The official pricing sheet was released on Saturday, March 26, 2010. This comprehensive sheet includes all option combination prices for options included in multiple packages and is therefore more informative than the prices released so far. I updated my spreadsheet and included it with these new prices. The European shipping price is still listed as N/A and so I have assumed a 7% discount off the US MSRP for this issue in my spreadsheet. The sheet is protected to prevent changing cells, but can be unprotected because no password is required. I myself had difficulty downloading with Internet Explorer, but found Firefox to work well. The spreadsheet was created in Excel 2007. Price sheet added
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| comrades (832hp) | This is awesome!! May I suggest adding columns for the estimated bill: US Estimated Base Bill: =ROUND(0.92*C2/5.0)*5 Estimated Option Bill: =ROUND(0.91) *C6/5.0)*5 These estimates are based on previous prices charged for the year. So, for example, you should get these estimated invoice prices for the 550i: Base: $54,925 ZCV: $1,545 ZP2: $2,185 ZCW: $955 ZDH: $2,455 ZSP: $2,000 Note again that these are only estimates..
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| taylor93 (77hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Masku This is awesome!! May I suggest adding columns for the estimated bill: US Estimated Base Bill: =ROUND(0.92*C2/5.0)*5 Estimated Option Bill: =ROUND(0.91) *C6/5.0)*5 These estimates are based on previous prices charged for the year. So, for example, you should get these estimated invoice prices for the 550i: Base: $54,925 ZCV: $1,545 ZP2: $2,185 ZCW: $955 ZDH: $2,455 ZSP: $2,000 Note again that these are only estimates. I did just that with the spreadsheet posted here. I compared some of the known invoice values (e.g. Metallic Paint) and they seem accurate..
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| 080888 (109hp) | I saw this in the Costco parking lot. It looks like a test car or something based on the license plate and there was what looked like a logbook on the passenger seat. BEST THING TO REPORT: This F10 had a 6-speed manual transexual! I love that I can still get this car with a proper transmission! I took pictures of the interior but there was strong glare.
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| ashley06 (860hp) | I thought the F10 550 wouldn't be available in a manual transmission configuration.
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| 123100 (16hp) | I know in Europe it will be available, but I hadn't heard of the American cars. Hopefully since this car had one it will be an American option
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| 04031986 (825hp) | Quote: Originally posted by LSs1Power I thought the F10 550 would not be available in a manual transmission configuration. Manual is standard and automatic is a no-cost option on the 550i.
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| zamalek (834hp) | 8 speed sports car is better than manual
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| 335iJWC (967hp) | I saw this in the Costco parking lot. It looks like a test car or something based on the license plate and there was what looked like a logbook on the passenger seat. BEST THING TO REPORT: This F10 had a 6-speed manual transexual! I love that I can still get this car with a proper transmission! I had photos of the interior but there was strong glare.
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| tigger04 (634hp) | I thought the F10 550 wouldn't be available in a manual transmission configuration.
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| 111082 (423hp) | I know in Europe it will be available, but I hadn't heard of the American cars. Hopefully since this car had one it will be an American option
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| jay101 (761hp) | Quote: Originally posted by LSs1Power I thought the F10 550 would not be available in a manual transmission configuration. Manual is standard and automatic is a no-cost option on the 550i.
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| toto1234 (822hp) | 8 speed sports car is better than manual
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| Mahovic (761hp) | Hi, do any esteemed forum members know if the E60 19 inch M5 rims would fit the F10? I thought I saw a photo of the F10 with the M5 rims somewhere. I need to know because I might buy one for my F10. Thank you all !
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| jamila (513hp) | BMW centers won't know until the F10 arrives and will be able to do some tests. On the 7er they were different from the previous model. At the moment, no one knows.
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| kisses13 (356hp) | Quote: Posted by aerosports Hi, do any esteemed forum members know if the E60 19 inch M5 rims would fit the F10? I thought I saw a photo of the F10 with the M5 rims somewhere. I need to know because I might buy one for my F10. Thanks everyone! Why don't you buy the F10 first? There are so many wheel designs to choose from.....
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| honda93 (861hp) | Quote: Posted byformex_racing Why don't you get the F10 first? There are so many wheel designs to choose from..... Because the 550i wheels are on their last legs, and BMW won't give you credit for another OEM wheel design. I also go to the secondary market. Most wheels come with spacers, but check with your tire specialist before purchasing..
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| come2me (847hp) | Hi, do any esteemed forum members know if the E60 19 inch M5 rims would fit the F10? I thought I saw a photo of the F10 with the M5 rims somewhere. I need to know because I might buy one for my F10. Thank you all !
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| bobobo (384hp) | BMW centers won't know until the F10 arrives and will be able to do some tests. On the 7er they were different from the previous model. At the moment, no one knows.
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| aviator1 (563hp) | Quote: Posted by aerosports Hi, do any esteemed forum members know if the E60 19 inch M5 rims would fit the F10? I thought I saw a photo of the F10 with the M5 rims somewhere. I need to know because I might buy one for my F10. Thanks everyone! Why don't you buy the F10 first? There are so many wheel designs to choose from.....
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| Redcapote (207hp) | Quote: Posted byformex_racing Why don't you get the F10 first? There are so many wheel designs to choose from..... Because the 550i wheels are on their last legs, and BMW won't give you credit for another OEM wheel design. I also go to the secondary market. Most wheels come with spacers, but check with your tire specialist before purchasing..
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| 060786 (585hp) | In the many F10 5 Series reviews available so far, one of the most praised aspects of the F10 has been its great ride quality. Automotive journalist Richard Aucock gives us an overview of how BMW managed to improve the ride quality of the 5 Series compared to the E60. In his latest blog post he writes: Quote: Jos van As, head of driving dynamics at the BMW Group, says it was the owners of the old BMW 5 Series who led the direction of the new one. Owners of the old car said the handling was impressive, but the ride was too harsh. This is why the BMW 5 Series F10 drives better than before. You notice it right away at low speeds: van As admits to using fairly moderate spring rates, giving a more comfortable and plush feel. The dual-axle front suspension also helps. We have more grip, therefore more freedom to adjust the ride and handling. We have more possibilities to adjust the shock absorbers. There's more: don't forget that the old car now used the 4th generation of runflat tires. That's a huge jump. We were able to optimize the rigidity of the tire walls, this is a crucial point in terms of rolling absorption. Also drive more: with the new car, we were able to choose a new tire size, keeping inflation pressures on the healthy side. If you have a smaller impeller, you have a smaller air volume and therefore need higher pressures. This contradicts the theory that bigger wheels automatically mean worse driving: here's an example of big rims improving the ride of the best man himself. Apparently the more I drove, the more the ride clicked. Then I realized, so I had to ask: van As, are the boys at Rolls-Royce (who are currently tuning a version of this platform which is also derived from the 7 Series) worked on this? Rolls Royce uses the same group of people: yes, some of my guys on the 5 Series also work on the Rolls-Royce. They learn from each other. Some similarities are not the result of chance. There you go, then! The BMW 5 Series that drives like a Rolls-Royce
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| freeuser (653hp) | Nice article. I don't know how to drive like a Rolls Royce, but it became very clear to me that the front suspension was pretty revolutionary when they first showed the schematics of the underpinnings of this car. Obviously, BMW has "evolved" what was used to cushion only the rear passengers to the front as well..
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| Sandhopper (371hp) | Everyone talks about how BMW uses such an advanced front suspension design now, when cars like the Honda Accord and Civic in the early 90s started using this design. The Civic switched from dual wishbones in 1999 to MacPherson struts because it was cheaper to build and kept costs down. And I'm NOT saying at all that Hondas are better because I know they're not, but come on, that's nothing new in the automotive world..
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| rednaxela (603hp) | Quote: Originally posted by BimmerGuyFL Everyone is talking about how BMW uses such an advanced front suspension design now, when cars like the Honda Accord and Civic in the early 90s started using this design. The Civic switched from dual wishbones in 1999 to MacPherson struts because it was cheaper to build and kept costs down. And I'm NOT saying Hondas are better at all because I know they're not, but come on, that's nothing new in the automotive world. You're right, but it's the entire assembly that makes up a suspension/rolling system, not just the double wishbones. And a Rolls Royce is not an NSX
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| EssamKh (370hp) | Quote: Originally posted by BimmerGuyFL Everyone is talking about how BMW uses such an advanced front suspension design now, when cars like the Honda Accord and Civic in the early 90s started using this design. Yeah, but back then...were Hondas and Acuras really the same as they are today? I mean, they were very different cars. Does Acura use this type of design in the TL and RL? I think overall, struts might be an effective and inexpensive solution for some designs, but not for others..
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| Attorney58 (827hp) | Quote: Originally posted by RichReg Yes, but back then...were Hondas and Acuras really the same as they are today? I mean, they were very different cars. Does Acura use this type of design in the TL and RL? I think overall, struts might be an effective and inexpensive solution for some designs, but not others. You are right, Acura has lost a BIG advantage because they no longer have their own platforms for their cars. I remember the Acura Legend and even the first generation Acura TL being such good cars. These days, they're all based on some sort of family-style Honda Accord platform. You take one for a test drive and it seems so cheap for the price. I would hands down drive a second generation Acura Legends to this day if they made them like they used to..
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| saudades (375hp) | Quote: Originally posted by BimmerGuyFL You are right, Acura has lost a BIG advantage because they no longer have their own platforms for their cars. I remember the Acura Legend and even the first generation Acura TL being such good cars. These days, they're all based on some sort of family-style Honda Accord platform. You take one for a test drive and it seems so cheap for the price. I would hands down drive a second generation Acura Legends to this day if they made them like they used to. Your Acura Legend was our Honda Legend. In fact, the Acura RL was also our Honda Legend..
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| nemo11 (550hp) | Quote: Originally posted by TonyMeister Your Acura legend was our Honda legend. In fact, the Acura RL was also our Honda Legend. In fact, almost everywhere in the world except the United States...all Acuras ARE BADGED AS HONDAS.!
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| 20021983 (963hp) | Quote: Originally posted by TsunamiFury In fact, almost everywhere in the world except the US...all Acuras ARE BADGED AS HONDAS! Yes but now the Acura RL/Honda Legend is just an Accord on Steriods. Ugh, thank goodness for BMWs.
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| carlos27 (564hp) | Quote: Originally posted by BimmerGuyFL Yes, but now the Acura RL/Honda Legend is nothing more than an Accord on Steriods with a hideous chrome grille. Ugh, thank goodness for BMWs. FTFY.
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| 11061983 (881hp) | Quote: Originally posted by TsunamiFury In fact, almost everywhere in the world except the US...all Acuras ARE BADGED AS HONDAS! +1
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| 07041978 (551hp) | enjoy driving. dude, people are just harassing. I thought the ride quality of the E34, E39, E60 and even E28 was superb, fun and enjoyable. It wasn't harsh, like my old MKII GTI 16V was (now that was brutal). I think people dramatize things. ehhh whatever.
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| oddball (782hp) | Quote: Originally published by eatrach73 enjoy driving. dude, people are just harassing. I thought the ride quality of the E34, E39, E60 and even E28 was superb, fun and enjoyable. It wasn't harsh, like my old MKII GTI 16V was (now that was brutal). I think people dramatize things. ehhh whatever. I also thought the ride quality of the E34 was good, then when the E39 came out it was great! With the E60 5 Series model, BMW has taken a big step backwards in terms of ride quality. The E34 and especially the E39 both drove with a flexibility that the E60 lacked. Based on the new reviews released for the 5 Series F10, it appears that BMW is once again taking the 5 Series back to the roots of its predecessors by combining a balance between excellent handling and excellent ride quality. Having owned a 1995 E34 525i, a 2002 E39 525i, and an E60 530i, I can truly say I know what I'm talking about..
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| moonshadow (169hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Stankia Can anyone post a photo of the news suspension? I want to see what's so revolutionary about it. Below are some cutaway photos I found of the F's front suspension10..
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| boomer01 (813hp) | Technology modern
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| jazzmin1 (804hp) | I'm confused about the predecessor which has a harsh ride, and this one is soft and gentle??????? I thought the previous car was very depreciated in my opinion.
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| cabowabo (639hp) | The X5 has a similar suspension...like many other cars, but I guarantee BMW uses this design in a much more unique way than most other companies.
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| NavS (750hp) | I'm confused by this statement: with the new car we were able to choose a new tire size, keeping inflation pressures on the healthy side. If you have a smaller impeller, you have a smaller air volume and therefore need higher pressures. If the wheel is smaller, but the overall outside diameter of the tire is the same as with a larger wheel and shorter sidewall, wouldn't the air volume of the smaller set of wheels be greater ( assuming same width tire) allowing lower tire pressure on the smallest wheel tire combination?? The larger wheel would have a shorter sidewall with the same outer diameter - additional space would be taken up by the larger diameter wheel, this would be the case.??
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| pennywise1 (612hp) | In the many F10 5 Series reviews available so far, one of the most praised aspects of the F10 has been its great ride quality. Automotive journalist Richard Aucock gives us an overview of how BMW managed to improve the ride quality of the 5 Series compared to the E60. In his latest blog post he writes: Quote: Jos van As, head of driving dynamics at the BMW Group, says it was the owners of the old BMW 5 Series who led the direction of the new one. Owners of the old car said the handling was impressive, but the ride was too harsh. This is why the BMW 5 Series F10 drives better than before. You notice it right away at low speeds: van As admits to using fairly moderate spring rates, giving a more comfortable, plush feel. The dual-axle front suspension also helps. We have more grip, therefore more freedom to adjust the ride and handling. We have more possibilities to adjust the shock absorbers. There's more: don't forget that the old car now used the 4th generation of runflat tires. That's a huge jump. We were able to optimize the rigidity of the tire walls, this is a crucial point in terms of rolling absorption. Also drive more: with the new car, we were able to choose a new tire size, keeping inflation pressures on the healthy side. If you have a smaller impeller, you have a smaller air volume and therefore need higher pressures. This contradicts the theory that bigger wheels automatically mean worse driving: here's an example of big rims improving the ride of the best man himself. Apparently the more I drove, the more the ride clicked. Then I realized, so I had to ask: van As, are the boys at Rolls-Royce (who are currently tuning a version of this platform which is also derived from the 7 Series) worked on this? Rolls Royce uses the same group of people: yes, some of my guys on the 5 Series also work on the Rolls-Royce. They learn from each other. Some similarities are not the result of chance. There you go, then! The BMW 5 Series that drives like a Rolls-Royce
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| hf: (383hp) | Nice article. I don't know how to drive like a Rolls Royce, but it became very clear to me that the front suspension was pretty revolutionary when they first showed the schematics of the underpinnings of this car. Obviously, BMW has "evolved" what was used to cushion only the rear passengers to the front as well..
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| marla (432hp) | Everyone talks about how BMW uses such an advanced front suspension design now, when cars like the Honda Accord and Civic in the early 90s started using this design. The Civic switched from dual wishbones in 1999 to MacPherson struts because it was cheaper to build and kept costs down. And I'm NOT saying at all that Hondas are better because I know they're not, but come on, that's nothing new in the automotive world..
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| torque (897hp) | Quote: Originally posted by BimmerGuyFL Everyone is talking about how BMW uses such an advanced front suspension design now, when cars like the Honda Accord and Civic in the early 90s started using this design. The Civic switched from dual wishbones in 1999 to MacPherson struts because it was cheaper to build and kept costs down. And I'm NOT saying Hondas are better at all because I know they're not, but come on, that's nothing new in the automotive world. You're right, but it's the entire assembly that makes up a suspension/rolling system, not just the double wishbones. And a Rolls Royce is not an NSX
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| northstar (831hp) | Quote: Originally posted by BimmerGuyFL Everyone is talking about how BMW uses such an advanced front suspension design now, when cars like the Honda Accord and Civic in the early 90s started using this design. Yeah, but back then...were Hondas and Acuras really the same as they are today? I mean, they were very different cars. Does Acura use this type of design in the TL and RL? I think overall, struts might be an effective and inexpensive solution for some designs, but not for others..
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| tragedy (885hp) | Quote: Originally posted by RichReg Yes, but back then...were Hondas and Acuras really the same as they are today? I mean, they were very different cars. Does Acura use this type of design in the TL and RL? I think overall, struts might be an effective and inexpensive solution for some designs, but not others. You are right, Acura has lost a BIG advantage because they no longer have their own platforms for their cars. I remember the Acura Legend and even the first generation Acura TL being such good cars. These days, they're all based on some sort of family-style Honda Accord platform. You take one for a test drive and it seems so cheap for the price. I would hands down drive a second generation Acura Legends to this day if they made them like they used to..
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| 24031990 (876hp) | Quote: Originally posted by BimmerGuyFL You are right, Acura has lost a BIG advantage because they no longer have their own platforms for their cars. I remember the Acura Legend and even the first generation Acura TL being such good cars. These days, they're all based on some sort of family-style Honda Accord platform. You take one for a test drive and it seems so cheap for the price. I would hands down drive a second gen Acura Legends to this day if they made them the way they used them too. Your Acura Legend was our Honda Legend. In fact, the Acura RL was also our Honda Legend.
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| red123456 (199hp) | Quote: Originally posted by TonyMeister Your Acura legend was our Honda legend. In fact, the Acura RL was also our Honda Legend. In fact, almost everywhere in the world except the United States...all Acuras ARE BADGED AS HONDAS.!
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| vartk (964hp) | Quote: Originally posted by TsunamiFury In fact, almost everywhere in the world except the US...all Acuras ARE BADGED AS HONDAS! Yes but now the Acura RL/Honda Legend is just an Accord on Steriods. Ugh, thank goodness for BMWs.
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| 0blivion (596hp) | Quote: Originally posted by BimmerGuyFL Yes, but now the Acura RL/Honda Legend is nothing more than an Accord on Steriods with a hideous chrome grille. Ugh, thank goodness for BMWs. FTFY.
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| carsten (107hp) | Quote: Originally posted by TsunamiFury In fact, almost everywhere in the world except the US...all Acuras ARE BADGED AS HONDAS! +1
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| rfnfcnhjaf (700hp) | enjoy driving. dude, people are just harassing. I thought the ride quality of the E34, E39, E60 and even E28 was superb, fun and enjoyable. It wasn't harsh, like my old MKII GTI 16V was (now that was brutal). I think people dramatize things. ehhh whatever.
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| 7171 (340hp) | Quote: Originally published by eatrach73 enjoy driving. dude, people are just harassing. I thought the ride quality of the E34, E39, E60 and even E28 was superb, fun and enjoyable. It wasn't harsh, like my old MKII GTI 16V was (now that was brutal). I think people dramatize things. ehhh whatever. I also thought the ride quality of the E34 was good, then when the E39 came out it was great! With the E60 5 Series model, BMW has taken a big step backwards in terms of ride quality. The E34 and especially the E39 both drove with a flexibility that the E60 lacked. Based on the new reviews released for the 5 Series F10, it appears that BMW is once again taking the 5 Series back to the roots of its predecessors by combining a balance between excellent handling and excellent ride quality. Having owned a 1995 E34 525i, a 2002 E39 525i, and an E60 530i, I can truly say I know what I'm talking about..
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| malmsteen (694hp) | I ordered mine today! 535i, 8-speed Steptronic automatic transmission, Dark Graphite Metallic (AKA Sophisto Grey), Oyster/Black leather, Charcoal wood trim, 19-inch 331 wheels, packages: ZCV, ZDA, ZDH, ZP2, ZPP, ZSP, folding seats divided, 4 air zones, head-up display, smartphone integration. Construction possible, delivery at the end of June! Goodbye MBZ Class E! Back to BMW... my car before the E was an E39 530i in titanium silver!
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| rock14 (318hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Stankia Can anyone post a photo of the news suspension? I want to see what's so revolutionary about it. Below are some cutaway photos I found of the F's front suspension10..
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| nevaeh (692hp) | Wow! Congratulations and welcome to the BMW community! I saw sophisto gray in person for the first time today and it's a gorgeous color, you won't regret it.
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| 196565 (743hp) | Technology modern
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| hilltop (276hp) | Quote: Posted by sfbayguy I ordered mine today! 535i, 8-speed Steptronic automatic transmission, Dark Graphite Metallic (AKA Sophisto Grey), Oyster/Black leather, Charcoal wood trim, 19-inch 331 wheels, packages: ZCV, ZDA, ZDH, ZP2, ZPP, ZSP, folding seats divided, 4 air zones, head-up display, smartphone integration. Construction possible, delivery at the end of June! Excellent, congratulations. Sweet choices. Which dealership did you work with and how did it go? I'm getting a 550i through ED later this year and I'm generally disappointed with the dealers in the Bay Area. I'm currently planning to use someone in Los Angeles.
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| boloto (504hp) | I'm confused about the predecessor which has a harsh ride, and this one is soft and gentle??????? I thought the previous car was very depreciated in my opinion.
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| jcv (685hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Warden Excellent, congratulations. Sweet choices. Which dealership did you work with and how did it go? I'm getting a 550i through ED later this year and I'm generally disappointed with the Bay Area dealers. I'm currently planning to use someone in Los Angeles. I have used Concord BMW and Danny Andrade in their internet/fleet department, very good experience.
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| freelancer (769hp) | The X5 has a similar suspension...like many other cars, but I guarantee BMW uses this design in a much more unique way than most other companies.
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| German Straight-6 (589hp) | I have an F10 coming to San Diego. I ordered my 535i last week. Colors: Deep Blue / Cinnamon Brown / Dark Wood Trim ZPP, ZP2, ZSP, ZDH Integrated Active Steering, Comfort Access, Split Folding Seats, Head-Up Display, Smartphone Integration. No automatic tranny for me, 6MT baby! The ETA is in June, when my E93's lease ends. Should be one of the first in SoCal with a pretty unique color combination too.
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| manson69 (47hp) | I'm confused by this statement: with the new car we were able to choose a new tire size, keeping inflation pressures on the healthy side. If you have a smaller impeller, you have a smaller air volume and therefore need higher pressures. If the wheel is smaller, but the overall outer diameter of the tire is the same as with a larger wheel and shorter sidewall, wouldn't the air volume of the smaller set of wheels be greater ( assuming same width tire) allowing a lower pressure tire on the smallest wheel tire combination?? The larger wheel would have a shorter sidewall with the same outer diameter - additional space would be taken up by the larger diameter wheel, this would be the case.??
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| Bimmer007 (317hp) | Beautiful walk, beautiful colors! Glad you like changing gears, I'd burn the clutch!
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| riddle (232hp) | I'm not one to like gray much, but I saw these photos of the 550i at NYAS in the Graphite color and it looks more interesting than I would have imagined. It should also be a nice color. My second choice was Black Sapphire Metallic. I have Monaco blue now, so DSB should be a brighter shade of blue.
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| copain (642hp) | place an order today for the exact same color combinations for May production. The options in Canada are configured a little differently, but it looks like you went with the same options as me... I saw the car yesterday at the Vancouver Auto Show. It's amazing....... Any chance with a discount. I managed to get a loyalty discount of just over 2% because I had previously purchased from the same retailer. Once you option the car, the price certainly skyrockets, but it should be worth it.....
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| purple24 (364hp) | Congratulations, I'll get mine back a month earlier than you, Nanananana. Excellent choice. But the wait. Can someone explain the USA packs: ZCV, ZDA, ZDH, ZP2, ZPP, ZSP in brief to a non-American please? Well done Robin
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| Dave788 (656hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ibimmer346 I have an F10 coming to San Diego. I ordered my 535i last week. Colors: Deep Blue / Cinnamon Brown / Dark Wood Trim ZPP, ZP2, ZSP, ZDH Integrated Active Steering, Comfort Access, Split Folding Seats, Head-Up Display, Smartphone Integration. No automatic tranny for me, 6MT baby! The ETA is in June, when the lease on my E93 ends. Should be one of the first in SoCal with a pretty unique color combination as well. Deep blue F10, which I can't wait to see!! Congratulations on your order.
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| tatianna (455hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Robin Hood Can someone explain the USA packs: ZCV, ZDA, ZDH, ZP2, ZPP, ZSP in brief to a non-American please? Option packages are based on those described in the ordering guide posted in this thread..
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| sunshine00 (880hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Robin Hood Congratulations, I'll get mine back a month earlier than you, nanananana. Excellent choice. But the wait. Can someone explain the USA packs: ZCV, ZDA, ZDH, ZP2, ZPP, ZSP in brief to a non-American please? Well done Robin, so it's not fair, LOL!!!
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| 22071989 (532hp) | Quote: Originally posted by sfbayguy Yes, the options bumped the price up by about $18,000, even with the base MSRP looking reasonable at $49,600. My discount ended up being about 5% off the full US MSRP, including options and destination charges. That would be about $2,000 over the bill.
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| mysterio61 (125hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ibimmer346 The options packages are based on those described in the ordering guide posted in this thread. Thanks man.
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| cody21 (414hp) | Bravo! T
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| 141192 (38hp) | Sweet, congratulations on your return to BMW..
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| 13071978 (882hp) | Wow, looks like you got a better deal than me!!!
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| 26021980 (392hp) | a boon to a terrible economy, I suppose. Unfortunately (fortunately), the economy here is very strong, as are new car sales. I guess I don't feel so bad.
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| infinite1 (244hp) | I ordered mine today! 535i, 8-speed Steptronic automatic transmission, Dark Graphite Metallic (AKA Sophisto Grey), Oyster/Black leather, Charcoal wood trim, 19-inch 331 wheels, packages: ZCV, ZDA, ZDH, ZP2, ZPP, ZSP, folding seats divided, 4 air zones, head-up display, smartphone integration. Construction possible, delivery at the end of June! Goodbye MBZ Class E! Back to BMW... my car before the E was an E39 530i in titanium silver!
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| chrysler1 (274hp) | Wow! Congratulations and welcome to the BMW community! I saw sophisto gray in person for the first time today and it's a gorgeous color, you won't regret it.
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| sarmat (251hp) | Quote: Posted by sfbayguy I ordered mine today! 535i, 8-speed Steptronic automatic transmission, Dark Graphite Metallic (AKA Sophisto Grey), Oyster/Black leather, Charcoal wood trim, 19-inch 331 wheels, packages: ZCV, ZDA, ZDH, ZP2, ZPP, ZSP, folding seats divided, 4 air zones, head-up display, smartphone integration. Construction possible, delivery at the end of June! Excellent, congratulations. Sweet choices. Which dealership did you work with and how did it go? I'm getting a 550i through ED later this year and I'm generally disappointed with the Bay Area dealers. I'm currently planning to use someone in Los Angeles.
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| soccer92 (348hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Warden Excellent, congratulations. Sweet choices. Which dealership did you work with and how did it go? I'm getting a 550i through ED later this year and I'm generally disappointed with the dealers in the Bay Area. I'm currently planning to use someone in Los Angeles. I have used Concord BMW and Danny Andrade in their internet/fleet department, very good experience.
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| akroblade954 (878hp) | I have an F10 coming to San Diego. I ordered my 535i last week. Colors: Deep Blue / Cinnamon Brown / Dark Wood Trim ZPP, ZP2, ZSP, ZDH Integrated Active Steering, Comfort Access, Split Folding Seats, Head-Up Display, Smartphone Integration. No automatic tranny for me, 6MT baby! The ETA is in June, when the lease on my E93 ends. Should be one of the first in SoCal with a pretty unique color combination too.
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| arrowhead (554hp) | Beautiful walk, beautiful colors! Glad you like changing gears, I'd burn the clutch!
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| miguel21 (206hp) | I'm not one to like gray much, but I saw these photos of the 550i at NYAS in the Graphite color and it looks more interesting than I would have imagined. It should also be a nice color. My second choice was Black Sapphire Metallic. I have Monaco blue now, so DSB should be a brighter shade of blue.
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| 121201 (144hp) | place an order today for the exact same color combinations for May production. The options in Canada are configured a little differently, but it looks like you went with the same options as me... I saw the car yesterday at the Vancouver Auto Show. It's amazing....... Any chance with a discount. I managed to get a loyalty discount of just over 2% because I had previously purchased from the same retailer. Once you option the car, the price certainly skyrockets, but it should be worth it.....
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| henri (987hp) | Congratulations, I'll get mine back a month earlier than you, Nanananana. Excellent choice. But the wait. Can someone explain the USA packs: ZCV, ZDA, ZDH, ZP2, ZPP, ZSP in brief to a non-American please? Well done Robin
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| blackadder (494hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ibimmer346 I have an F10 coming to San Diego. I ordered my 535i last week. Colors: Deep Blue / Cinnamon Brown / Dark Wood Trim ZPP, ZP2, ZSP, ZDH Integrated Active Steering, Comfort Access, Split Folding Seats, Head-Up Display, Smartphone Integration. No automatic tranny for me, 6MT baby! The ETA is in June, when my E93's lease ends. Should be one of the first in SoCal with a pretty unique color combination as well. Deep blue F10, which I can't wait to see!! Congratulations on your order.
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| 18071981 (678hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Robin Hood Can someone explain the USA packs: ZCV, ZDA, ZDH, ZP2, ZPP, ZSP in brief to a non-American please? Option packages are based on those described in the ordering guide posted in this thread..
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| noxious (74hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Robin Hood Congratulations, I'll get mine back a month earlier than you, nanananana. Excellent choice. But the wait. Can someone explain the USA packs: ZCV, ZDA, ZDH, ZP2, ZPP, ZSP in brief to a non-American please? Well done Robin, so it's not fair, LOL!!!
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| azertyuio (468hp) | Quote: Originally posted by sfbayguy Yes, the options bumped the price up by about $18,000, even with the base MSRP looking reasonable at $49,600. My discount ended up being about 5% off the full US MSRP, including options and destination charges. That would be about $2,000 over the bill.
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| 04021990 (813hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ibimmer346 The options packages are based on those described in the ordering guide posted in this thread. Thanks man.
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| zcxfcnkbdf (471hp) | Bravo! T
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| 100296 (715hp) | Sweet, congratulations on your return to BMW..
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| Password99 (982hp) | Wow, looks like you got a better deal than me!!!
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| grandtheft (111hp) | a boon to a terrible economy, I suppose. Unfortunately (fortunately), the economy here is very strong, as are new car sales. I guess I don't feel so bad.
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| thomas30 (882hp) | Thanks for all your hard work on this. Note that there is still something funny with the price of the Premium Package 2 (ZP2) which does not show any price change even when ordered with the Active Ventilated Seats Pack (ZAV) and ZCW which does not correspond to no options or packages listed. Additionally, the last entry in the spreadsheet doesn't match any options and requires you to go back and manually select 1 for the mandatory destination charge..
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| inception (390hp) | Quote: Posted by enigma01 This is exactly what I did with the spreadsheet posted here. I compared some of the known invoice values (e.g. Metallic Paint) and they seem accurate. Now that's what I'm talking about! Granted, it's not 100% accurate, but given the current dilemma with BMWNA, well-thought-out estimates are duly appreciated..
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