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| 15051995 (679hp) | eeww taillights.
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| music45 (510hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Jason ^^^^ Come on now, at least try to make a somewhat fair comparison. You're comparing a pre-production F10 with psychadelic camouflage with not only the top-of-the-line E60, but also a model that features additional cosmetic modifications. I, for one, think that based on what we've seen of the GT 5 Series and these spy photos, this car will be a success in terms of design. I completely agree...the design is a success, that's for sure!
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| mcbride (962hp) | I hope my next car... delivery in euros!
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| asanez (606hp) | Impressive lines under the camouflage by Eni at germancarzone The rear looks a lot like the renovated rear of the E90
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| leeroy (198hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ogrady Attachment 285380 Attachment 285381 Printing lines under the camouflage by Eni on germancarzone The rear looks a lot like the facelifted rear of the E90, good job, I agree with you 99% I'm not so sure about this middle part of the hood, but I'd like to see it...so the hood looks less boring..this hood or the 5gt hood is good.
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| 199203 (254hp) | Quote: Originally posted by DerekS Yes, I think you're right. The new E-Class sedan will struggle to sell against the new 5er, provided BMW keeps its pricing competitive with MB. Compared to the consistent new 5er, the 2010 E-Class is a strange mix of styling cues: Lexus-like headlights, a very odd 1950s-style rear quarter panel, and Hyundai-like taillights. And to support this style, MB will continue to supply the same old engines for NA. The current E's taillight looks like an old Infiniti Q45. The 5 Series will be sick!
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| 201175 (898hp) | Oh Oh, I hope the shape of the taillights is closer to the E90 Face Lifted sedan than the 2004 Infiniti G35 sedans and 2005..
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| 201194 (649hp) | It already looks amazing, which is shocking because it's still under all that tape. This looks like a cross between an E39 and E60 5 series. It's going to be an awesome combo I think! Maybe my next car???!
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| luckycharm (128hp) | Can someone PLEASE do a Photoshop?!
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| Danny225 (598hp) | Can someone PLEASE do a Photoshop?!
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| 1234567890s (733hp) | Quote: Originally posted by BimmerGuyFL Oh Oh, I hope the shape of the taillights is closer to the E90 Face Lifted sedan than the 2004 and 2005 Infiniti G35 sedans. yeah, the way he styled them like that, it immediately said Infiniti to me. I'm 100% sure they won't end up like that, it's BMW lol
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| 061192 (224hp) | The new 5 Series M5 is my next car
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| omarion21 (561hp) | So when will this car actually debut ??
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| 210792 (528hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bavarian19 So when will this car actually debut? Current consensus is Geneva in spring 2010. But BMW is still thinking and is subject to change..
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| 159000 (484hp) | Quote: Originally posted by BimmerGuyFL Oh Oh, I hope the shape of the taillights is closer to the E90 Face Lifted sedan than the 2004 and 2005 Infiniti G35 sedans. yeah, the way he styled them like that, it immediately said Infiniti to me. I'm 100% sure they won't end up like that, it's BMW lol
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| marieke (771hp) | The new 5 Series M5 is my next car
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| 22111986 (519hp) | So when will this car actually debut ??
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| studentka (326hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bavarian19 So when will this car actually debut? Current consensus is Geneva in spring 2010. But BMW is still thinking and is subject to change..
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| uzbekistan (628hp) | It seems like we're now seeing new daily photos of the F10 5 Series, and that's fine with us because it's shaping up to be a stunning car.!
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| 11011977 (335hp) | Wow...nice shot...AGAIN again. No one seems to miss a beat when these cars go cruising. Looks good as usual, but I still can't make out the headlight design.
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| anycall123 (469hp) | These Halos look very white, Lux maybe HaHa
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| titans12 (565hp) | So, will they present this one at the Frankfurt Motor Show and let us know the release date? I thought it was yes and now I'm not so sure...
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| frantic (240hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ilfz So, are they going to show this one at the Frankfurt Motor Show and let us know the release date? I thought it was yes and now I'm not so sure... No, we won't see the F10 5 Series at the Frankfurt Motor Show. Best bet at the moment is next year's Geneva Motor Show, although that's not yet set in stone..
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| smokey07 (17hp) | The rear parking light and brake light cluster are quite clear in this new photo. LED daytime running lights? Very pleasant!
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| mobbdeep (556hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ilfz So, are they going to show this one at the Frankfurt Motor Show and let us know the release date? I thought it was yes and now I'm not so sure... They still need to sell a lot of E60s, it wouldn't be smart to release them now.
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| shitfuck (235hp) | How do they keep coming across this car??!
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| alan (444hp) | soft!
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| BlueSkyX (94hp) | Awesome!
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| brivera94 (286hp) | LOL, BMW loves Chinese food or just a cover-up for their secret factory in Holland?
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| mygirls2 (770hp) | the wheelbase seems much longer...
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| mistero (911hp) | What strikes me is the size of the rear doors and windows. If you remove the camouflage it almost looks like an L version.
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| AmooManiak (406hp) | Quote: Posted by Zell How do they keep coming across this car?! At this point, BMW has most likely distributed pre-production versions to key employees for them to test in the real world, and in turn, provide feedback. So basically it's the same people every time. Once the photographers understand where these people live, they will just explore the neighborhood....
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| ghostman (593hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Mii The rear parking lights and brake lights are quite clear in this new photo. LED daytime running lights? Very nice! The F07 will usher in LED DRLs and Halos – they're actually bright enough to be used as low beams at night. The F10 will certainly feature them. They are spectacular. We are talking about LED low beam lights tested by certain engineers and intended for use on certain models and projects. I can't say more at the moment, but they save 3 pounds of weight per light and require much less battery usage. There will also be new ambient lighting inside in the same spirit..
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| 1elephant (211hp) | Quote: Originally posted by RichReg At this point, BMW has most likely distributed pre-production builds to key employees to test in the real world, and in turn, provide feedback. So basically it's the same people every time. Once the photographers figure out where these people live, they'll just explore the neighborhood... I don't think they're there yet, but soon enough. The wheelbase looks longer because it is, they stretched the wheels closer to the ends for less overhang and increased interior space. This car was designed with the F01 in mind, so many of the basic elements will be similar, all wheel steering etc. -M
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| sing12 (79hp) | Quote: Posted by mapezzul I don't think they're there yet, but soon enough. -M Mazz, these most recent FEP shots look (to me) like people going about their daily lives... stopping at a gas station, buying Chinese food, etc. I know we can't say if they are testing anything specific or not, this seems to be the same stage the E90 was in back in September 2017. '04.
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| 010482 (609hp) | it looks so promising
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| yuanyuan (384hp) | Quote: Originally posted by RichReg Mazz, these most recent FEP shots look (to me) like people going about their daily lives... stopping at a gas station, buying Chinese food, etc. I know we can't say if they are testing anything specific or not, this seems to be the same stage the E90 was in in September 2004. I would agree, except these cars are still covered and followed by other BMWAG vehicles... When they give them to factory managers and business people, they are let loose and have no constraints - a big whig is not going to cover a car! BMW also uses third parties (Bertrnandt in the past) to test vehicles and provide feedback at this stage. It'll be soon enough they'll be ready to fly solo..
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| mujahid (301hp) | Quote: Originally posted by misterng LOL, BMW loves Chinese food or just a cover-up for its secret factory in Holland? oh yeah, 長,城,酒,家, Chinese, the happiness of the Great Wall restaurant.... I love BMW, I love my country, China
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| beach2 (541hp) | it happens
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| srivastava (493hp) | white angel eyes!
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| 02051991 (538hp) | It seems like we're now seeing new daily photos of the F10 5 Series, and that's fine with us because it's shaping up to be a stunning car.!
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| pompino (875hp) | Wow...nice shot...AGAIN again. No one seems to miss a beat when these cars go cruising. Looks good as usual, but I still can't make out the headlight design.
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| thereon (464hp) | These Halos look very white, Lux maybe HaHa
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| 110796 (166hp) | So, will they present this one at the Frankfurt Motor Show and let us know the release date? I thought it was yes and now I'm not so sure...
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| 16031991 (762hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ilfz So, are they going to show this one at the Frankfurt Motor Show and let us know the release date? I thought it was yes and now I'm not so sure... No, we won't see the F10 5 Series at the Frankfurt Motor Show. Best bet at the moment is next year's Geneva Motor Show, although that's not yet set in stone..
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| hjhjhj (406hp) | The rear parking light and brake light cluster are quite clear in this new photo. LED daytime running lights? Very pleasant!
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| riverside (698hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ilfz So, are they going to show this one at the Frankfurt Motor Show and let us know the release date? I thought it was yes and now I'm not so sure... They still need to sell a lot of E60s, it wouldn't be smart to release them now.
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| 200908 (934hp) | How do they keep coming across this car??!
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| 29061992 (837hp) | soft!
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| dakoda1 (900hp) | Awesome!
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| bean123 (645hp) | LOL, BMW loves Chinese food or just a cover-up for their secret factory in Holland?
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| volinder (745hp) | the wheelbase seems much longer...
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| zaqxsw1 (438hp) | What strikes me is the size of the rear doors and windows. If you remove the camouflage it almost looks like an L version.
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| 16081985 (713hp) | Quote: Posted by Zell How do they keep coming across this car?! At this point, BMW has most likely distributed pre-production versions to key employees for them to test in the real world, and in turn, provide feedback. So basically it's the same people every time. Once the photographers understand where these people live, they will just explore the neighborhood....
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| monique7 (797hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Mii The rear parking lights and brake lights are quite clear in this new photo. LED daytime running lights? Very nice! The F07 will usher in LED DRLs and Halos – they're actually bright enough to be used as low beams at night. The F10 will certainly feature them. They are spectacular. We are talking about LED low beam lights tested by certain engineers and intended for use on certain models and projects. I can't say more at the moment, but they save 3 pounds of weight per light and require much less battery usage. There will also be new ambient lighting inside in the same spirit..
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| fisherman (9hp) | Quote: Originally posted by RichReg At this point, BMW has most likely distributed pre-production builds to key employees to test in the real world, and in turn, provide feedback. So basically it's the same people every time. Once the photographers figure out where these people live, they'll just explore the neighborhood... I don't think they're there yet, but soon enough. The wheelbase looks longer because it is, they stretched the wheels closer to the ends for less overhang and increased interior space. This car was designed with the F01 in mind, so many of the basic elements will be similar, all wheel steering etc. -M
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| relisys (10hp) | Quote: Posted by mapezzul I don't think they're there yet, but soon enough. -M Mazz, these most recent FEP shots look (to me) like people going about their daily lives... stopping at a gas station, buying Chinese food, etc. I know we can't say if they are testing anything specific or not, this seems to be the same stage the E90 was in back in September 2017. '04.
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| QWER1234 (716hp) | it looks so promising
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| 24111980 (612hp) | Quote: Originally posted by RichReg Mazz, these most recent FEP shots look (to me) like people going about their daily lives... stopping at a gas station, buying Chinese food, etc. I know we can't say if they are testing anything specific or not, this seems to be the same stage the E90 was in in September 2004. I would agree, except these cars are still covered and followed by other BMWAG vehicles... When they give them to factory managers and business people, they are let loose and have no constraints - a big whig is not going to cover a car! BMW also uses third parties (Bertrnandt in the past) to test vehicles and provide feedback at this stage. It'll be soon enough they'll be ready to fly solo..
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| guatemala (480hp) | Quote: Originally posted by misterng LOL, BMW loves Chinese food or just a cover-up for its secret factory in Holland? oh yeah, 長,城,酒,家, Chinese, the happiness of the Great Wall restaurant.... I love BMW, I love my country, China
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| papako (106hp) | it happens
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| kirsty (13hp) | white angel eyes!
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| 18031979 (15hp) | It will be a TT V10 of 600 hp and nothing less. It's BMW ladies and gentlemen.
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| zabivay (458hp) | Are we sure it's not the v8 TT M5 tested with the E60 M5 V10 unlike the F10 M5 with V8 and V10? There may be something lost in translation.
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| BMWMilan (888hp) | Wow! I hope this time there will be an M5 Xdrive! A sportier Xdrive than the X5 or the X6, it is important to compete with Audi and in particular with the RS6! In my humble opinion
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| atleti (289hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Robert Are we sure this isn't the v8 TT M5 tested with the E60 M5 V10 unlike the F10 M5 with V8 and V10? There may be something lost in translation. That's true, but there are two F10 test cars together, so we have to assume there's a major difference between the two cars that warrants them being tested side by side. Additionally, people at the scene would hear the cars and could probably tell the difference in the tone of the engine. After all, it was the spy photographers who told us well in advance that the new M3 had a V8 engine based on the sound of the car....
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| 09123456789 (958hp) | The M5 will have the same TT V8 as the X6M. And take a look at the X6M's performance - 0-60 in 4.1 seconds! What do you think this number will be in the lighter M5 chassis – my bet is around 3.7. It's a killer car.
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| mari11 (48hp) | From a business perspective, BMW has made it clear that the days of putting N/A engines in performance cars are over. BMW has already reported that future cars will be lighter, force-induction and direct fuel injection. Chances are they're trying to determine whether a V10TT or a V8TT will be the way forward for them in the performance-based car lineup. For example, would a 5L V10TT engine be more efficient than a 5.5L V8 TT? I think more and more companies will go the Nissan GTR route. packing a lot of punch into as small an engine as possible. Proper cooling, a/f ratios, boost levels, turbo size/lag, all of these things will play a role. Personally, I think a V10 is a bit excessive for the kind of performance you can get from a V8. If done correctly, you can get 650 hp from a 5.0L V8tt engine without breaking a sweat. I think it will probably be a lot more horsepower than BMW will be willing to put into its M5. I think you'll get a new BMW that makes 30-50 more horsepower than the current version, but loses about 200-300 pounds. while increasing the energy efficiency of 15%.
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| killerbee (844hp) | difficult crowd
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| dakota3 (858hp) | Having personally spoken to the engineers about this project (F10 M5), they are currently (and have been) exploring the V10 and V8 routes for this vehicle. Here's a tip: If the German clause in the US emissions rules comes into effect, it could be a V10. Otherwise, we'll see a TT V8, to address the emissions issues. They may get V8 performance up there, but from a marketing standpoint the V10 is a kick in the pants to other brands. The V10 will have a smaller displacement than the current engine and will also be turbocharged, featuring a trick intake system similar to the CCM in the X5/X6//M. After experiencing the X6 ///M extensively, I think many narrow-minded enthusiasts will be impressed by this engine, it's ridiculous. By the way, anyone who thinks the current ///M3 is uninspired/dull has no idea and has never driven it or gets it, it is by far the best ///M for the moment even if the management is a little outdated. sometimes boosted... I still prefer the current M3 to anything else, it will compete with cars twice as expensive - that's enough said. -M
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| kenji (446hp) | I bet it will be a TT v8 with around 600-650 hp
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| iujack (505hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mapezzul As an aside: Anyone who thinks the current ///M3 is uninspired/lackluster has no idea and has never driven it or doesn't get it, it's is by far the best ///M to date. the steering is sometimes a little too boosted.... I still prefer the current M3 to anything else, it will compete with cars twice as expensive - that's enough said. -M +1
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| autumn2 (558hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mapezzul Having personally spoken to the engineers about this project (F10 M5), they are currently (and have been) exploring the V10 and V8 routes for this vehicle. Here's a tip: If the German clause in the US emissions rules comes into effect, it could be a V10. Otherwise, we'll see a TT V8, to address the emissions issues. They may get V8 performance up there, but from a marketing standpoint the V10 is a kick in the pants to other brands. The V10 will have a smaller displacement than the current engine and will also be turbocharged, featuring a trick intake system similar to the CCM in the X5/X6//M. After experiencing the X6 ///M extensively, I think many narrow-minded enthusiasts will be impressed by this engine, it's ridiculous. By the way, anyone who thinks the current ///M3 is uninspired/dull has no idea and has never driven it or gets it, it is by far the best ///M for the moment even if the management is a little outdated. sometimes boosted... I still prefer the current M3 to anything else, it will compete with cars twice as expensive - that's enough said. -M Great information and thanks for the save...
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| 170583 (899hp) | V8TT.
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| 7erMOB (565hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mapezzul As an aside: Anyone who thinks the current ///M3 is uninspired/lackluster has no idea and has never driven it or doesn't get it, it's is by far the best ///M to date. the steering is sometimes a little too boosted.... I still prefer the current M3 to anything else, it will compete with cars twice as expensive - that's enough said. -Mr. Werd. The x35 owner amazes me every day because, while I think it couldn't get more ridiculous, they raise the standards of idiotic fanboism every day. Major assets to the fanbois x35 to surpass yourself on a daily basis. It's hard for me to believe, based on the sheer desire they feel, that they actually own a BMW. After driving all three cars, there is no other explanation than simple desire..
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| blackhawks (149hp) | I think they should install a modified X5/X6 M engine, the 4.4L TT V8. Just rev it up to at least 7.5K, over 600hp, over 700Nm and at least 150kg lighter. The 5.5l V10 TT, derived from the 4.4l V8 TT (two cylinders added) should pass on the M7, 5.5l V10 of 690 hp then on an M8 (Coupé 7). As for those who say you can get a 550i (4.4l V8 TT 407hp) instead of an M5 (4.4l V8 TT ~600hp) and tune it, it still won't be an M5 , because it's not just the engine power. but also a gain in chassis and weight. But don't forget that the M5 can also be tuned. 550i 4.4l V8 TT 407 hp >, 550 hp M5 4.4l V8 TT 555 hp >, 700 hp
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| barrio13 (244hp) | How about a supercharged version of the S65 found in the current M3? ESS claims ~600 Wh and the torque and power curves are... magnificent. No reason why BMW couldn't build such an engine from scratch.
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| zxcvbnmzxcvbnm (619hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Imola.ZHP lol @ most of these posts, especially the one that says something about the current e9x M3 not being spectacular. looks like someone is angry because they could only afford a 135i... /thread definitely... lol!
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| admin1213 (285hp) | Quote: Originally posted by moosety2009 Personally, I think a V10 is a bit excessive for the kind of performance you can get from a V8. If done correctly, you can get 650 hp from a 5.0L V8tt engine without breaking a sweat. I think it will probably be a lot more horsepower than BMW will be willing to put into its M5. I think you'll get a new BMW that makes 30-50 more horsepower than the current version, but loses about 200-300 pounds. while increasing energy efficiency by 15%. Completely agree from a business perspective, the 2010 Mercedes E63 will only offer a modest increase to 518 hp, the 2010 XF-R Jag is already weaker than the current M5, the Audi RS6 is much too heavy and is not available in the United States. M car market, and the Cadillac CTS-V is only slightly faster than the current M5. There's no reason for BMW to pack more than 600 horsepower into this car. That said, I'm sure the TTV8 will probably be close to that figure, and with less weight it should make it a great vehicle with even better handling than the current model. Personally I love the NA M engines (the M3 V8 is a work of art) and will miss them, but times are changing and BMW must too.
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| 021191 (67hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Stankia A V10 is special, and an M car should be special in my opinion. If they install a V8TT, how is it different from a regular 550i V8TT? A software flash and you have the same amount of power in a 550i... By that logic, the last generation M cars weren't special. The E46 M3 had an inline-6 based on the same architecture of the M54, just like the E46 model. Additionally, the E39 had a V8 (S62) based on the same engine (M62) from the 540i. Current X5/6///Ms use a modified and upgraded version of the same 4.4L BMW N63 engine in the X5/X6 and 750
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| tristan12 (518hp) | If BMW puts a V8 in the M5 to meet US emissions regulations, I hope they put a V10 in the M5 for all non-US markets. Since they test both anyway.
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| converse (425hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Stankia The X5/6 M engines have the same displacement and if I'm not mistaken, the same redline as the regular V8TTs in the 750i and X6 5.0i, nothing special there. Same block and that's it. The new ///M engine has a lot of special features... People really need to experience things and read the work that went into it before saying things aren't special. The M3's V8 is by far the best engine BMW has made in terms of design and performance. Oh, and it's lighter than the CAST IRON I-6 it replaces. The twin-turbo V8///M engine is tied with the V10 for the second time IMHO. I just don't like the sound the turbo makes, it doesn't have the whine of the NA engines and deactivating the cylinders during gear changes makes it bubble a bit. , but it moves so well that it leaves you perplexed.
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| fagboy1 (882hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 135Eye That's true, but there are two F10 test cars together, so we have to assume that there is a major difference between the two cars that warrants them being tested side by side. side. Additionally, people at the scene would hear the cars and could probably tell the difference in the tone of the engine. After all, it was the spy photographers who told us well in advance that the new M3 had a V8 engine by the sound of the car... It might be a rumor, but it seems they plan to offer 2 variants of the M5, a V8TT and a V10TT. I'm not sure how much power they will produce, but both should be more powerful than the current E.60.
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| singsing (767hp) | Nobody likes the idea of a supercharged S65 for the F10 M5?
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| JetBlackBMW3 (712hp) | It will be a TT V10 of 600 hp and nothing less. It's BMW ladies and gentlemen.
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| asif163 (548hp) | Are we sure it's not the v8 TT M5 tested with the E60 M5 V10 unlike the F10 M5 with V8 and V10? There may be something lost in translation.
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| survive (680hp) | Wow! I hope this time there will be an M5 Xdrive! A sportier Xdrive than the X5 or the X6, it is important to compete with Audi and in particular with the RS6! In my humble opinion
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| RMcoolX (917hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Robert Are we sure this isn't the v8 TT M5 tested with the E60 M5 V10 unlike the F10 M5 with V8 and V10? There may be something lost in translation. That's true, but there are two F10 test cars together, so we have to assume there's a major difference between the two cars that warrants them being tested side by side. Additionally, people at the scene would hear the cars and could probably tell the difference in the tone of the engine. After all, it was the spy photographers who told us well in advance that the new M3 had a V8 engine based on the sound of the car....
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| 19861120 (664hp) | The M5 will have the same TT V8 as the X6M. And take a look at the X6M's performance - 0-60 in 4.1 seconds! What do you think this number will be in the lighter M5 chassis – my bet is around 3.7. It's a killer car.
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| 747400 (767hp) | From a business perspective, BMW has made it clear that the days of putting N/A engines in performance cars are over. BMW has already reported that future cars will be lighter, force-induction and direct fuel injection. Chances are they're trying to determine whether a V10TT or a V8TT will be the way forward for them in the performance-based car lineup. For example, would a 5L V10TT engine be more efficient than a 5.5L V8 TT? I think more and more companies will go the Nissan GTR route. packing a lot of punch into as small an engine as possible. Proper cooling, a/f ratios, boost levels, turbo size/lag, all of these things will play a role. Personally, I think a V10 is a bit excessive for the kind of performance you can get from a V8. If done correctly, you can get 650 hp from a 5.0L V8tt engine without breaking a sweat. I think it will probably be a lot more horsepower than BMW will be willing to put into its M5. I think you'll get a new BMW that makes 30-50 more horsepower than the current version, but loses about 200-300 pounds. while increasing the energy efficiency of 15%.
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| junglist (830hp) | difficult crowd
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| loser00 (226hp) | Having personally spoken to the engineers about this project (F10 M5), they are currently (and have been) exploring the V10 and V8 routes for this vehicle. Here's a tip: If the German clause in the US emissions rules comes into effect, it could be a V10. Otherwise, we'll see a TT V8, to address the emissions issues. They may get V8 performance up there, but from a marketing standpoint the V10 is a kick in the pants to other brands. The V10 will have a smaller displacement than the current engine and will also be turbocharged, featuring a trick intake system similar to the CCM in the X5/X6//M. After experiencing the X6 ///M extensively, I think many narrow-minded enthusiasts will be impressed by this engine, it's ridiculous. By the way, anyone who thinks the current ///M3 is uninspired/dull has no idea and has never driven it or gets it, it is by far the best ///M for the moment even if the management is a little outdated. sometimes boosted... I still prefer the current M3 to anything else, it will compete with cars twice as expensive - that's enough said. -M
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| fungous (45hp) | I bet it will be a TT v8 with around 600-650 hp
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| shadow15 (233hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mapezzul As an aside: Anyone who thinks the current ///M3 is uninspired/lackluster has no idea and has never driven it or doesn't get it, it's is by far the best ///M to date. the steering is sometimes a little too boosted.... I still prefer the current M3 to anything else, it will compete with cars twice as expensive - that's enough said. -M +1
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| 26041991 (633hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mapezzul Having personally spoken to the engineers about this project (F10 M5), they are currently (and have been) exploring the V10 and V8 routes for this vehicle. Here's a tip: If the German clause in the US emissions rules comes into effect, it could be a V10. Otherwise, we'll see a TT V8, to address the emissions issues. They may get V8 performance up there, but from a marketing standpoint the V10 is a kick in the pants to other brands. The V10 will have a smaller displacement than the current engine and will also be turbocharged, featuring a trick intake system similar to the CCM in the X5/X6//M. After experiencing the X6 ///M extensively, I think many narrow-minded enthusiasts will be impressed by this engine, it's ridiculous. By the way, anyone who thinks the current ///M3 is uninspired/dull has no idea and has never driven it or gets it, it is by far the best ///M for the moment even if the management is a little outdated. sometimes boosted... I still prefer the current M3 to anything else, it will compete with cars twice as expensive - that's enough said. -M Great information and thanks for the save...
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| wo123456 (694hp) | V8TT.
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| 07021989 (292hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mapezzul As an aside: Anyone who thinks the current ///M3 is uninspired/lackluster has no idea and has never driven it or doesn't get it, it's is by far the best ///M to date. the steering is sometimes a little too boosted.... I still prefer the current M3 to anything else, it will compete with cars twice as expensive - that's enough said. -Mr. Werd. The x35 owner amazes me every day because, while I think it couldn't get more ridiculous, they raise the standards of idiotic fanboism every day. Major assets to the fanbois x35 to surpass yourself on a daily basis. It's hard for me to believe, based on the sheer desire they feel, that they actually own a BMW. Having driven all three cars, there is no other explanation than simple desire..
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| norwich1 (213hp) | I think they should install a modified X5/X6 M engine, the 4.4L TT V8. Just rev it up to at least 7.5K, over 600hp, over 700Nm and at least 150kg lighter. The 5.5l V10 TT, derived from the 4.4l V8 TT (two cylinders added) should pass on the M7, 5.5l V10 of 690 hp then on an M8 (Coupé 7). As for those who say you can get a 550i (4.4l V8 TT 407hp) instead of an M5 (4.4l V8 TT ~600hp) and tune it, it still won't be an M5 , because it's not just the engine power. but also a gain in chassis and weight. But don't forget that the M5 can also be tuned. 550i 4.4l V8 TT 407 hp >, 550 hp M5 4.4l V8 TT 555 hp >, 700 hp
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| vesna (689hp) | How about a supercharged version of the S65 found in the current M3? ESS claims ~600 Wh and the torque and power curves are... magnificent. No reason why BMW couldn't build such an engine from scratch.
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| arsenal5 (978hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Imola.ZHP lol @ most of these posts, especially the one that says something about the current e9x M3 not being spectacular. looks like someone is angry because they could only afford a 135i... /thread definitely... lol!
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| patrick10 (130hp) | Quote: Originally posted by moosety2009 Personally, I think a V10 is a bit excessive for the kind of performance you can get from a V8. If done correctly, you can get 650 hp from a 5.0L V8tt engine without breaking a sweat. I think it will probably be a lot more horsepower than BMW will be willing to put into its M5. I think you'll get a new BMW that makes 30-50 more horsepower than the current version, but loses about 200-300 pounds. while increasing energy efficiency by 15%. Completely agree from a business perspective, the 2010 Mercedes E63 will only offer a modest increase to 518 hp, the 2010 XF-R Jag is already weaker than the current M5, the Audi RS6 is much too heavy and is not available in the United States. M car market, and the Cadillac CTS-V is only slightly faster than the current M5. There's no reason for BMW to pack more than 600 horsepower into this car. That said, I'm sure the TTV8 will probably be close to that figure, and with less weight it should make it a great vehicle with even better handling than the current model. Personally I love the NA M engines (the M3 V8 is a work of art) and will miss them, but times are changing and BMW must too.
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| inar_ka (770hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Stankia A V10 is special, and an M car should be special in my opinion. If they install a V8TT, how is it different from a regular 550i V8TT? A software flash and you have the same amount of power in a 550i... By that logic, the last generation M cars weren't special. The E46 M3 had an inline-6 based on the same architecture of the M54, just like the E46 model. Additionally, the E39 had a V8 (S62) based on the same engine (M62) from the 540i. Current X5/6///Ms use a modified and upgraded version of the same 4.4L BMW N63 engine in the X5/X6 and 750
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| mkmccoy (113hp) | If BMW puts a V8 in the M5 to meet US emissions regulations, I hope they put a V10 in the M5 for all non-US markets. Since they test both anyway.
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| intense (435hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Stankia The X5/6 M engines have the same displacement and if I'm not mistaken, the same redline as the regular V8TTs in the 750i and X6 5.0i, nothing special there. Same block and that's it. The new ///M engine has a lot of special features... People really need to experience things and read the work that went into it before saying things aren't special. The M3's V8 is by far the best engine BMW has made in terms of design and performance. Oh, and it's lighter than the CAST IRON I-6 it replaces. The twin-turbo V8///M engine is tied with the V10 for the second time IMHO. I just don't like the sound the turbo makes, it doesn't have the whine of the NA engines and deactivating the cylinders during gear changes makes it bubble a bit. , but it moves so well that it leaves you perplexed.
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| jackster (406hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 135Eye That's true, but there are two F10 test cars together, so we have to assume that there is a major difference between the two cars that warrants them being tested side by side. side. Additionally, people at the scene would hear the cars and could probably tell the difference in the tone of the engine. After all, it was the spy photographers who told us well in advance that the new M3 had a V8 engine by the sound of the car... It might be a rumor, but it seems they plan to offer 2 variants of the M5, a V8TT and a V10TT. I'm not sure how much power they will produce, but both should be more powerful than the current E.60.
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| harrisfb (547hp) | Nobody likes the idea of a supercharged S65 for the F10 M5?
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| foggia (608hp) | Does anyone know if the v8 version will have a manual transmission? All I hear about is the 8 speed automatic..
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| berbatov (129hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mapezzul The F07 will usher in LED DRLs and Halos - they're actually bright enough to be used as low beams at night. The F10 will certainly feature them. They are spectacular. We are talking about LED low beam lights tested by certain engineers and intended for use on certain models and projects. I can't say more at the moment, but they save 3 pounds of weight per light and require much less battery usage. There will also be new ambient lighting inside in the same spirit. Do you have any clues as to whether or not the E92 LCI will receive LED DRLs? Or is it too early? I love your site by the way
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| lild123 (856hp) | could look like a smaller version of the series 7
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| 77 (792hp) | The white version certainly looks like a long wheelbase version to me. Has past information suggested this would be offered?
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| cks0213 (554hp) | Well, in China you can currently get a long wheelbase 5 Series, but it's not offered in Europe or the US. This is a proof test of a LWB 5 series for the Chinese market..
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| hl0m4n (199hp) | Thanks, an L version makes sense. This rear door of the white car is huge.
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| hunter16 (365hp) | Quote: Originally posted by BimmerGuyFL Well, in China you can currently get a long wheelbase 5 Series, but it's not offered in Europe or the US. This is a proof test of a LWB 5 series intended for the Chinese market. here...so Chinese BMW and USA Europe are different?
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| candybar (777hp) | No different no, just in China you can order LWB 5 series, like in USA and Europe you can't.
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| cometome (997hp) | Does anyone know if the v8 version will have a manual transmission? All I hear about is the 8 speed automatic..
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| antonio10 (763hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mapezzul The F07 will usher in LED DRLs and Halos - they're actually bright enough to be used as low beams at night. The F10 will certainly feature them. They are spectacular. We are talking about LED low beam lights tested by certain engineers and intended for use on certain models and projects. I can't say more at the moment, but they save 3 pounds of weight per light and require much less battery usage. There will also be new ambient lighting inside along the same lines. Do you have any clues as to whether or not the E92 LCI will receive LED DRLs? Or is it too early? I love your site by the way
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| Polina (223hp) | could look like a smaller version of the series 7
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| caritas (36hp) | The white version certainly looks like a long wheelbase version to me. Has past information suggested this would be offered?
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| woailaopo (655hp) | Well, in China you can currently get a long wheelbase 5 Series, but it's not offered in Europe or the US. This is a proof test of a LWB 5 series for the Chinese market..
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| 120394 (334hp) | Thanks, an L version makes sense. This rear door of the white car is huge.
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