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| anneken (717hp) | I was driving on the 405 today and three white cars happened to pass me and all the sedans. I noticed that the only differentiating feature on the new rear of the 540 was the diffuser. Of course the 540 wanted to play, but that's another story...
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| luis18 (268hp) | The Hyundai Genesis next to it is actually a very good looking car and has great road presence. The new 5 doesn't look bad per se, but I prefer the F10.
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| cnthdjxrf (609hp) | The G30 is decent, but with the right exterior modifications it will certainly look good! I'll wait a few, maybe even a few years before I even consider purchasing a G30. looks similar to the first car...Chrysler?
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| 250595 (17hp) | Looks like a more modern development of the F10. It's not a huge difference, but the G30 looks a little slimmer.
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| jasonb1 (683hp) | Soooo... Who stopped the bribery, er, carpool trail? This Genesis looks like it's smoking your trail.
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| hadassah (897hp) | Every time I see it on the street I think it looks good. The biggest drawback, however, is the rear. I don't see myself in one though because I'd rather be in the new M760 anyway lol
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| malatya (528hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Quicksilv3r....Lol
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| starlet1 (62hp) | The G30 certainly doesn't look as impressive as the F10. The F10 has a somewhat plush look and looks like it was built like a tank. The G30 doesn't look particularly special or solid (front, side or back) - it seems like a lot of other cars. I think it actually looks worse in person than in pictures. It's a very good car (apart from the air conditioning and a few other things), and looks aren't that important, but I think BMW should have come up with a more impressive exterior design.
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| mermaid2 (426hp) | Quote: Originally written by RNM The Hyunda Genesis next to it is actually a very good looking car and has great road presence. The new 5 doesn't look bad per se, but I prefer the F10. Shouldn't the Genesis be THE BMW killer? I think imitation really is the best form of flattery :-)
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| lisa22 (255hp) | I love the G30. I can't wait until I get a CPO for $30,000 :P
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| rvashi (284hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Flamelauncher14 I love the G30. I can't wait until I get a CPO for $30,000 :P Haha, I'm sure the tuning will produce 400hp stuff
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| 199212 (333hp) | Look who stole our hood! And Lexus grill and our side skirts. I smell a little like Honda there too! I mean, there's no more shame?
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| love2live (707hp) | Lexus grill stolen? Toyota = Lexus Car manufacturers are constantly stealing ideas from each other. If they didn't, we wouldn't see any progress.
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| TheRidler (895hp) | The headlights look like they're from an Acura TL or something? but definitely the grill looks like the Lexus
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| marcy1 (729hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Bmw doubles Quote: Originally posted by Quicksilv3r....Lol More like Ouch.
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| janaki (229hp) | Quote: Originally written by RNM The Hyunda Genesis next to it is actually a very good looking car and has great road presence. The new 5 doesn't look bad per se, but I prefer the F10. +1. To be honest, I'm taking a second look at the Genesis when I notice one on the street. It really is a good looking vehicle. I wish they hadn't messed around too much with the front end of the new 5. The F10, especially with the lighting package, had a beautiful face...but I guess there's a change coming!
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| 010609 (297hp) | Quote: Originally written by S1ammin Shouldn't the Genesis be THE BMW killer? I think imitation really is the best form of flattery :-) Genesis and the new 5 look nothing alike except that they have four doors and wheels. The interior is a different story though, they've obviously copied a lot of BMW designs.
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| 25081985 (131hp) | It's funny because I always have to do a double take on Genesis. I somehow confuse it with a Bentley or Jaguar. It's always something that I just can't grasp straight away, and then when I look closer I notice it. When I saw them next to each other, I had to take this photo.
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| christina8 (670hp) | Right. Possible BMW killer? Not for me, but I think that's their goal. This just means that BMW needs to increase its performance to stay one step ahead of the imitators. Worse still, if property values fall even further, BMW could disappear into history.
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| vladimir1 (478hp) | Quote: Originally written by BMW FOREVER Hi guys, I've had my F10 for about 5 years now and I absolutely love how the car looks. Mine is the non-Msport version and I like the subtle look. I've had the opportunity to look at a few G30s in person and no matter how I look at it, I don't seem to like it! The front is fine... actually I kind of like it, but the hood is way too plain compared to the F10's prominent creases. By the way...okay, I really don't know what's going on. At first glance the site looks very similar to the F10, but upon closer inspection you notice that something is just strange about it. I think the page is too flat compared to the rounded pages in F10. I'm not sure, but I prefer the F10. In the back....the rear literally looks like the new Honda City! Even the rear side panel is way too long and the light is huge! I noticed that it looks wider than the f10. F10 is just so perfect that I can't blame the designers for not being able to beat it. The F10's design is a throwback to the E34 days and I'm so glad BMW went back to it after the weird looking E60. I'm obviously biased towards the f10, but I'm not the only one who thinks the f10 actually looks better than the new g30. I love the interior of the new model, but the exterior looks weird to me. I haven't warmed up to it yet. I agree with what you said. The F10 has already taken all the design cues of BMW's large-body sedan (new and old) and fused them into a surprisingly satisfying modern package. It's a great looking car and no further improvements could possibly have been made to the design, which is why the G30 looks the same but with tricky futuristic touches that just make it look silly at this point.
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| iloveboobi (617hp) | I think an LCI F10 M5 is the ultimate purchase right now. The G30 is terrible and the F10 is really the last thing in terms of sportiness in the 5 Series.
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| 160789 (687hp) | Wow! I thought it was just me who didn't understand the look of the new 5 Series. I really want to like it, but it just looks so plain, almost like a Camry. I was really excited about trading in my F-10 for a new model, especially because of the interior and design, but I don't know now. I spoke to a dealer via phone and email and he told me that he just got a new 540i Msport in Carbon Black and that I should come and take a look at it. Well, it was on a Sunday when I finally got around to it, and I was glad he wasn't there when I saw it in person. If the price is right, I might just go for a used M5. Maybe 15 or 16 year model. My 535i Msport still looks at me so often, especially when it's clean. Any advice on buying a used M??5?
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| Mnotfeelingit (371hp) | I am no longer an F10 owner but am currently a G30 owner. While I don't claim that G30 is superior to F10 in all areas, I disagree with most of the previous posts. The G30's exterior appearance is sharper, especially in the rear and side views. If you have an F10 and a G30 side by side without a license plate. There is no doubt that G30 is the more modern version. The interior is much more luxurious than the F10. The technology is far ahead of F10. The driving dynamics are significantly better, there is no turbo lag and sharper steering. Just my opinion
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| lovesex1 (598hp) | Quote: Originally posted by babaikram I am no longer an F10 owner, but currently a G30 owner. While I don't claim that G30 is superior to F10 in all areas, I disagree with most of the previous posts. The G30's exterior appearance is sharper, especially in the rear and side views. If you have an F10 and a G30 side by side without a license plate. There is no doubt that G30 is the more modern version. The interior is much more luxurious than the F10. The technology is far ahead of F10. The driving dynamics are significantly better, there is no turbo lag and sharper steering. Just my opinion. Quote: Originally posted by babaikram. I am no longer an F10 owner, I am currently a G30 owner. While I don't claim that G30 is superior to F10 in all areas, I disagree with most of the previous posts. The G30's exterior appearance is sharper, especially in the rear and side views. If you have an F10 and a G30 side by side without a license plate. There is no doubt that G30 is the more modern version. The interior is much more luxurious than the F10. The technology is far ahead of F10. The driving dynamics are significantly better, there is no turbo lag and sharper steering. Just my opinion. The car looks hideous in my opinion
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| inbeing (890hp) | Quote: Originally posted by deadspoogi Quote: Originally posted by babaikram I am no longer an F10 owner, but am currently a G30 owner. While I don't claim that G30 is superior to F10 in all areas, I disagree with most of the previous posts. The G30's exterior appearance is sharper, especially in the rear and side views. If you have an F10 and a G30 side by side without a license plate. There is no doubt that G30 is the more modern version. The interior is much more luxurious than the F10. The technology is far ahead of F10. The driving dynamics are significantly better, there is no turbo lag and sharper steering. Just my opinion. Quote: Originally posted by babaikram. I am no longer an F10 owner, I am currently a G30 owner. While I don't claim that G30 is superior to F10 in all areas, I disagree with most of the previous posts. The G30's exterior appearance is sharper, especially in the rear and side views. If you have an F10 and a G30 side by side without a license plate. There is no doubt that G30 is the more modern version. The interior is much more luxurious than the F10. The technology is far ahead of F10. The driving dynamics are significantly better, there is no turbo lag and sharper steering. Just my opinion. The car looks hideous in my opinion. Well, maybe people on the F10 forums should check out the G30 forums ESP video and build section and look at pictures of beautiful G30s
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| W412WCK (79hp) | Quote: Originally posted by babaikram Well, maybe people on F10 forums should check out the G30 forum ESP video and build section and look at pictures of beautiful G30s. Don't worry, it's always the people who don't own something who complain about it. This happens every time a new model comes out. Anyone who owns the older model always prefers it to the new one...until they buy the new one. It always happens! Personally, I think the G30 is a great evolution of the F10.
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| rompish (603hp) | Quote: Originally written by AmooManiak Don't worry, it's always those who don't own something who complain about it. This happens every time a new model comes out. Anyone who owns the older model always prefers it to the new one...until they buy the new one. It always happens! Personally, I think the G30 is a great evolution of the F10. I also agree that it is a further development and don't see much wrong with it, a more modern but in my opinion slightly less sporty/aggressive looking vehicle. I've looked very closely at one inside and out, but haven't driven one yet. When I spoke to the man at the dealer who I know very well he said that they were pretty comparable but that in his opinion the biggest improvement in the G30 was the entry level engine, he said the difference was pretty significant. Quote: Originally written by babaikram. The interior is much more luxurious than the F10. The technology is far ahead of F10. The driving dynamics are significantly better, there is no turbo lag and sharper steering. Just my opinion. Of course the technology is superior, it's a 7+ years newer model, I mean forgive me but oh yeah the technology is better in 2017 compared to 2010. If it wasn't better, everyone, and I mean everyone involved with the G30 would just have to be fired. I can't comment on the ride as I haven't compared, but a lot of the reviews out there don't seem to agree with your opinion. What do you think makes the interior more luxurious? Personally, I found it reasonably comparable, but didn't find it more luxurious, and reading a bit more on the G30 forums, it seems that there are few things in the interior design and finish that may have used cheaper materials compared to the F10 would be. Again, I don't want to say you're right or wrong, and I don't want to hate the G30. I think it looks pretty good inside and out. I'm just curious what makes it more luxurious for you ?
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| anggun (850hp) | Quote: Originally written by Bbb34 I also agree that it is a further development and don't see much wrong with it, a more modern but in my opinion slightly less sporty/aggressive looking vehicle. I've looked very closely at one inside and out, but haven't driven one yet. When I spoke to the man at the dealer who I know very well he said that they were pretty comparable but that in his opinion the biggest improvement in the G30 was the entry level engine, he said the difference was pretty significant. Of course the technology is superior, it's a 7+ years newer model, I mean forgive me but oh yeah the technology is better in 2017 compared to 2010. If it weren't better, everyone, and I mean everyone, involved with G30 should just be fired. I can't comment on the ride as I haven't compared, but a lot of the reviews out there don't seem to agree with your opinion. What do you think makes the interior more luxurious? Personally, I found it reasonably comparable, but didn't find it more luxurious, and reading a bit more on the G30 forums, it seems that there are few things in the interior design and finish that may have used cheaper materials compared to the F10 would be. Again, I'm not saying you're right or wrong, I don't hate G30, I think it looks pretty good inside and out. I'm just curious what makes it more luxurious for you? The standard sport seat looks and feels better, is more comfortable and firmer. The ambient lighting, the multifunction display, the Sensatech, etc. The car glides over potholes with the standard M sports suspension. The only disappointment is of course the sunglasses compartment without a lining. The black middle plate has no individual buttons, but makes the G30 look more modern. Don't forget how luxurious the standard G30 520SE is, it was named WhatCar Luxury Car of the Year (compared to luxury cars like the 7 Series and). S-Class) and won the WhatCar Prize of the Year overall. I had an F10 with upgraded piano black trim and professional iDrive and Oyster/Black upholstery and I can assure you that my F10 interior looks great just with the standard aluminum rombicle trim, cognac upholstery and that The standard professional G30 drive felt good for the rental because I kept both for a few weeks.
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| 190682 (417hp) | Quote: Originally written by AmooManiak Don't worry, it's always those who don't own something who complain about it. This happens every time a new model comes out. Anyone who owns the older model always prefers it to the new one...until they buy the new one. It always happens! Personally, I think the G30 is a great evolution of the F10. +1 It's only a matter of time before you like it
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| Babygirl1 (845hp) | If you own a well-equipped LCI F10, there's little reason to trade it in for a G30. Sure, some things are slightly improved (iDrive, HUD, driver assist, choice of interior lighting), but that's just not what some people describe, as the G30 is much better in many ways. Some people go from a pre-LCI base model F10 to a better equipped G30 and find it to be a much better car. For this reason, you can ignore most G30 reviews from former F10 owners. If you didn't have a HUD, xDrive, Nappa, Adaptive LED, etc. and you have it now, you'll think you have a better car - especially that you just spent a lot more money and have to justify it. Some of us new to the F10 ('14-up) don't think the G30 is a worthy successor. I'll probably skip the G30 until it's LCI or whatever comes after that.
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| ciocolata (54hp) | Quote: Originally written by babaikram. The standard sport seat looks and feels better, is more comfortable and firmer. The ambient lighting, the multifunction display, the Sensatech, etc. The car glides over potholes with the standard M sports suspension. The only disappointment is of course the sunglasses compartment without a lining. The black middle plate has no individual buttons, but makes the G30 look more modern. Don't forget how luxurious the standard G30 520SE is, it was named WhatCar Luxury Car of the Year (compared to luxury cars like the 7 Series and). S-Class) and won the WhatCar Prize of the Year overall. I had an F10 with upgraded piano black trim and professional iDrive and Oyster/Black upholstery and I can assure you that my F10 interior looks great just with the standard aluminum rombicle trim, cognac upholstery and that The standard professional G30 drive felt good for the rental because I kept both for a few weeks. Maybe we see luxury as two different things, but you haven't really convinced me that it's more luxurious. What I get from your answer is newer and different, which is great. Also, Sensatech and luxury just don't belong in the same sentence, but that's just my opinion.
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| miller21 (242hp) | I think after reading all the posts I would go with the F10 hood creases, the integrated GPS screen (not the current add-on look), the latest diesel option (not yet available in North America for the G30) and the less aggressive ones Lights favor traditional round angel eyes as well as more traditional wheels. The smaller F10 overhang at the front and rear of the body is also better. The G30 appears to have better seats and an available spare tire - both of which are very important to me. But I got an f10 remainder at CPO price. We'll see what will happen in the future...
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| norwegen (675hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Bbb34 Maybe we see luxury as two different things, but you haven't really convinced me that it's more luxurious. What I get from your answer is newer and different, which is great. Also, Sensatech and luxury just don't belong in the same sentence, but that's just my opinion. Some things are difficult to describe. I want you to tell me what would make G30 more luxurious than F10 for you
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| sushil (252hp) | Quote: Originally written by Attila7 If you have a well-equipped LCI F10, there's not much reason to trade it in for a G30. Sure, some things are slightly improved (iDrive, HUD, driver assist, choice of interior lighting), but that's just not what some people describe, as the G30 is much better in many ways. Some people go from a pre-LCI base model F10 to a better equipped G30 and find it to be a much better car. For this reason, you can ignore most G30 reviews from former F10 owners. If you didn't have a HUD, xDrive, Nappa, Adaptive LED, etc. and you have it now, you'll think you have a better car - especially that you just spent a lot more money and have to justify it. Some of us new to the F10 ('14-up) don't think the G30 is a worthy successor. I'll probably skip the G30 until it's LCI or whatever comes after that. Your statements sound a bit condescending. This is my third BMW. The options in my current G30 are fewer than my F10 and I usually own my own cars
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| pohoda (502hp) | I trust the word of someone who has owned both more than someone who only owns the old model. Of course we will hear biased opinions.
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| M6Pilot (861hp) | Quote: Originally written by babaikram Some things are difficult to describe. I would like you to tell me what would make G30 more luxurious than F10 for you. Sunglass compartment with inner lining, but then a nicer material would have to be used for the inner lining than the F10. Of course I'm joking, and before I try to answer your question, I want to clarify what I want to say. I am by no means saying that G30 is worse, less luxurious or uglier than F10. I'm just saying that I don't see how it could be more luxurious, and things you're talking about don't fall under luxury in my opinion. Now let me try to answer your question: What would make it more luxurious? Compared to F10, better (more expensive) materials would have to be used, be it plastic, metal or leather. Better sound/driving noise insulation, more comfortable seats, higher quality components in the audio system, navigation seamlessly integrated into the dashboard (yet safely within sight), quieter operation of the cooling/heating fan, pleasant sounding signal light, warnings, smaller clearances (finer tolerance) in the interior plastic etc. It's hard to disagree that F10 is pretty impressive in most if not all of the above? Again, I don't want to say that the G30 isn't the better vehicle. I can't know either since I haven't driven it much. I definitely hope it gets better since they've had eight years to improve the previous model. After looking at a few models at my dealer, I just can't imagine it being more luxurious. I think you're just very impressed by the feeling of being new and slightly different.
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| radha (572hp) | Quote: Originally written by Bbb34. Sunglass compartment with inner lining, but then a nicer material would have to be used for the inner lining than the F10. Of course I'm joking, and before I try to answer your question, I want to clarify what I want to say. I am by no means saying that G30 is worse, less luxurious or uglier than F10. I'm just saying that I don't see how it could be more luxurious, and things you're talking about don't fall under luxury in my opinion. Now let me try to answer your question: What would make it more luxurious? Compared to F10, better (more expensive) materials would have to be used, be it plastic, metal or leather. Better sound/driving noise insulation, more comfortable seats, higher quality components in the audio system, navigation seamlessly integrated into the dashboard (yet safely within sight), quieter operation of the cooling/heating fan, pleasant sounding signal light, warnings, smaller clearances (finer tolerance) in the interior plastic etc. It's hard to disagree that F10 is pretty impressive in most if not all of the above? Again, I don't want to say that the G30 isn't the better vehicle. I can't know either since I haven't driven it much. I definitely hope it gets better since they've had eight years to improve the previous model. After looking at a few models at my dealer, I just can't imagine it being more luxurious. I think you're just very impressed by the feeling of being new and slightly different. According to your criteria for more luxury, G30 is more luxurious. Point by point: 1. Better, more expensive material: Some parts of the G30 frame contain aluminum, unlike F10, which makes G30 lighter. The Sensatec dashboard is a no-cost option, at least in the M Sport, compared to the rubber/plastic dashboard in the F10. In some markets this is a paid option. Sensatec is definitely an improvement over the standard plastic/rubber dashboard in the F10 2. Better sound/driving noise. The G30 is far better isolated from road and engine noise compared to the F10. Every review testifies to this. In fact, sometimes you forget you're driving a diesel. Friends with diesel F10s have commented on this. 3. More comfortable seats: G30 class seats are more comfortable than F10 class seats. This is my experience and the experience of many other F10 previous owners and reviews 4. Audi system: The Harman Kardon speakers in the G30 are better than the F10. This has been commented on in detail on 5. Navigation system: It's far better than in the F10 (I had professional idrive in my F10). They are not comparable, you talk to him now, you don't follow menus. In fact, it understands your accent over time because it uses the Nuance voice recognition system. You can cross numbers from different phones. You can compose and reply to texts using voice commands. Touchscreen and gesture controls are useful. I know some would say these are gimmicks. I use them all the time. In fact, the idrive is so good that I think Apple CarPlay is unnecessary. As for integration into the dashboard, that's a matter of opinion. I prefer the high placement of the idrive as you can still see the road when looking at it. 6. Quieter operation of the cooling/heating fan, pleasant sounding signal light, warnings: All G30s have active protection, which indicates on the HUD or in the cockpit whether your speed could lead to a collision with vehicles in front and brakes the car if necessary . I agree that it seems some people are having issues with the speed of their cooling fans in the G30. All G30s come with this as standard.
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| RoyalX916 (649hp) | I don't need to own a G30 to know that it has cheap styling touches and softer, less defining body lines. In my opinion it's hideous and just because it's newer doesn't automatically mean it looks better. As for the new electronic stuff, which like all of its predecessors will soon break, I'm not particularly impressed. In fact the F10 will be my last BMW, these buggers spend more time at the dealer doing warranty work than on the road. I'm just waiting for the G30 issues threads to pop up.....
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| 26101983 (212hp) | Quote: Originally written by babaikram According to your criteria for more luxury, G30 is more luxurious. To show you point by point: ... The interior of the G30 is one of the few BMW interiors that can compete with equivalent Mercedes vehicles. Alright, that's your opinion, not my opinion. I felt they were quite comparable in terms of fit, finish and interior materials used. And I could very well be wrong. Again, I'm just talking about wanting the interior to be more luxurious, which is the only thing I've been arguing about here. I just feel the need to address one more thing as this is a big problem for me. Sensatech or whatever Sensa-Cool/Tech name BMW gives it, and I can't stress this enough, is not a luxury material, never has been and never will be. It's not an upgrade over *any* luxury. There is one and only one reason for its existence: price. It allows manufacturers to spend less. I may be old fashioned, but I don't have expensive shoes, belts, jackets and furniture that I insisted on using Sensatech while paying the premium price. I think my wife uses similar logic with her shoes and handbags. Maybe we were brainwashed? I hope you are right on all other counts and when the day comes that I have to replace F10 if I stick with BMW and the 5 series I will be proven wrong.
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| 110495 (731hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Quicksilv3r I've posted this comparison before, but I think it speaks for itself in how much more attractive the F10 is than its successor. The G30 styling is over the top and unnecessary in almost every way. To me the new one looks better from this side view, but I like the F10 better in every way. I think for me this is the only view of the G30 that looks better than the F10. From any other angle, and man, that G30 hood is just grandma, the F10 owns it. But now that I've gotten to know BMW, I'm sure I'll find a way to love the G30 when the time comes. But I kept the last car I loved for 18 years, so who knows if a G30 is in my future :-)
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| 04121980 (332hp) | Pop the G30's F10 hood...I bet it fits, lol!
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| poohbear11 (891hp) | Quote: Originally written by BMW FOREVER Hi guys, I've had my F10 for about 5 years now and I absolutely love how the car looks. Mine is the non-Msport version and I like the subtle look. I've had the opportunity to look at a few G30s in person and no matter how I look at it, I don't seem to like it! The front is fine... actually I kind of like it, but the hood is way too plain compared to the F10's prominent creases. By the way...okay, I really don't know what's going on. At first glance the site looks very similar to the F10, but upon closer inspection you notice that something is just strange about it. I think the page is too flat compared to the rounded pages in F10. I'm not sure, but I prefer the F10. In the back....the rear literally looks like the new Honda City! Even the rear side panel is way too long and the light is huge! I noticed that it looks wider than the f10. F10 is just so perfect that I can't blame the designers for not being able to beat it. The F10's design is a throwback to the E34 days and I'm so glad BMW went back to it after the weird looking E60. I'm obviously biased towards the f10, but I'm not the only one who thinks the f10 actually looks better than the new g30. I love the interior of the new model, but the exterior looks weird to me. I haven't warmed up to it yet. I agree with what you said. The F10 has already taken all the design cues of BMW's large-body sedan (new and old) and fused them into a surprisingly satisfying modern package. It's a great looking car and no further improvements could possibly have been made to the design, which is why the G30 looks the same but with tricky futuristic touches that just make it look silly at this point.
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| b1teme (677hp) | I think an LCI F10 M5 is the ultimate purchase right now. The G30 is terrible and the F10 is really the last thing in terms of sportiness in the 5 Series.
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| impulse (665hp) | Wow! I thought it was just me who didn't understand the look of the new 5 Series. I really want to like it, but it just looks so plain, almost like a Camry. I was really excited about trading in my F-10 for a new model, especially because of the interior and design, but I don't know now. I spoke to a dealer via phone and email and he told me that he just got a new 540i Msport in Carbon Black and that I should come and take a look at it. Well, it was on a Sunday when I finally got around to it, and I was glad he wasn't there when I saw it in person. If the price is right, I might just go for a used M5. Maybe 15 or 16 year model. My 535i Msport still looks at me so often, especially when it's clean. Any advice on buying a used M??5?
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| balou (849hp) | I am no longer an F10 owner but am currently a G30 owner. While I don't claim that G30 is superior to F10 in all areas, I disagree with most of the previous posts. The G30's exterior appearance is sharper, especially in the rear and side views. If you have an F10 and a G30 side by side without a license plate. There is no doubt that G30 is the more modern version. The interior is much more luxurious than the F10. The technology is far ahead of F10. The driving dynamics are significantly better, there is no turbo lag and sharper steering. Just my opinion
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| staple (742hp) | Quote: Originally posted by babaikram I am no longer an F10 owner, but currently a G30 owner. While I don't claim that G30 is superior to F10 in all areas, I don't agree with most of the previous posts. The G30's exterior appearance is sharper, especially in the rear and side views. If you have an F10 and a G30 side by side without a license plate. There is no doubt that G30 is the more modern version. The interior is much more luxurious than the F10. The technology is far ahead of F10. The driving dynamics are significantly better, there is no turbo lag and sharper steering. Just my opinion. Quote: Originally posted by babaikram. I am no longer an F10 owner, I am currently a G30 owner. Although I don't claim that G30 is superior to F10 in all areas, I disagree with most of the previous posts. The G30's exterior appearance is sharper, especially in the rear and side views. If you have an F10 and a G30 side by side without a license plate. There is no doubt that G30 is the more modern version. The interior is much more luxurious than the F10. The technology is far ahead of F10. The driving dynamics are significantly better, there is no turbo lag and sharper steering. Just my opinion. The car looks hideous in my opinion
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| thomas87 (292hp) | Quote: Originally posted by deadspoogi Quote: Originally posted by babaikram I am no longer an F10 owner, but am currently a G30 owner. While I don't claim that G30 is superior to F10 in all areas, I disagree with most of the previous posts. The G30's exterior appearance is sharper, especially in the rear and side views. If you have an F10 and a G30 side by side without a license plate. There is no doubt that G30 is the more modern version. The interior is much more luxurious than the F10. The technology is far ahead of F10. The driving dynamics are significantly better, there is no turbo lag and sharper steering. Just my opinion. Quote: Originally posted by babaikram. I am no longer an F10 owner, I am currently a G30 owner. While I don't claim that G30 is superior to F10 in all areas, I disagree with most of the previous posts. The G30's exterior appearance is sharper, especially in the rear and side views. If you have an F10 and a G30 side by side without a license plate. There is no doubt that G30 is the more modern version. The interior is much more luxurious than the F10. The technology is far ahead of F10. The driving dynamics are significantly better, there is no turbo lag and sharper steering. Just my opinion. The car looks hideous in my opinion. Well, maybe people on the F10 forums should check out the G30 forums ESP video and build section and look at pictures of beautiful G30s
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| dimaka_77 (849hp) | Quote: Originally posted by babaikram Well, maybe people on F10 forums should check out the G30 forum ESP video and build section and look at pictures of beautiful G30s. Don't worry, it's always the people who don't own something who complain about it. This happens every time a new model comes out. Anyone who owns the older model always prefers it to the new one...until they buy the new one. It always happens! Personally, I think the G30 is a great evolution of the F10.
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| toontown1 (692hp) | Quote: Originally written by AmooManiak Don't worry, it's always those who don't own something who complain about it. This happens every time a new model comes out. Anyone who owns the older model always prefers it to the new one...until they buy the new one. It always happens! Personally, I think the G30 is a great evolution of the F10. I also agree that it is a further development and don't see much wrong with it, a more modern but in my opinion slightly less sporty/aggressive looking vehicle. I've looked very closely at one inside and out, but haven't driven one yet. When I spoke to the man at the dealer who I know very well he said that they were pretty comparable but that in his opinion the biggest improvement in the G30 was the entry level engine, he said the difference was pretty significant. Quote: Originally written by babaikram. The interior is much more luxurious than the F10. The technology is far ahead of F10. The driving dynamics are significantly better, there is no turbo lag and sharper steering. Just my opinion. Of course the technology is superior, it's a 7+ years newer model, I mean forgive me but oh yeah the technology is better in 2017 compared to 2010. If it wasn't better, everyone, and I mean everyone involved with the G30 would just have to be fired. I can't comment on the ride as I haven't compared, but a lot of the reviews out there don't seem to agree with your opinion. What do you think makes the interior more luxurious? Personally, I found it reasonably comparable, but didn't find it more luxurious, and reading a bit more on the G30 forums, it seems that there are few things in the interior design and finish that may have used cheaper materials compared to the F10 would be. Again, I don't want to say you're right or wrong, and I don't want to hate the G30. I think it looks pretty good inside and out. I'm just curious what makes it more luxurious for you ?
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| 14121979 (202hp) | Quote: Originally written by Bbb34 I also agree that it is a further development and don't see much wrong with it, a more modern but in my opinion slightly less sporty/aggressive looking vehicle. I've looked very closely at one inside and out, but haven't driven one yet. When I spoke to the man at the dealer who I know very well he said that they were pretty comparable but that in his opinion the biggest improvement in the G30 was the entry level engine, he said the difference was pretty significant. Of course the technology is superior, it's a 7+ years newer model, I mean forgive me but oh yeah the technology is better in 2017 compared to 2010. If it weren't better, everyone, and I mean everyone, involved with G30 should just be fired. I can't comment on the ride as I haven't compared, but a lot of the reviews out there don't seem to agree with your opinion. What do you think makes the interior more luxurious? Personally, I found it reasonably comparable, but didn't find it more luxurious, and reading a bit more on the G30 forums, it seems that there are few things in the interior design and finish that may have used cheaper materials compared to the F10 would be. Again, I'm not saying you're right or wrong, I don't hate G30, I think it looks pretty good inside and out. I'm just curious what makes it more luxurious for you? The standard sport seat looks and feels better, is more comfortable and firmer. The ambient lighting, the multifunction display, the Sensatech, etc. The car glides over potholes with the standard M sports suspension. The only disappointment is of course the sunglasses compartment without a lining. The black middle plate has no individual buttons, but makes the G30 look more modern. Don't forget how luxurious the standard G30 520SE is, it was named WhatCar Luxury Car of the Year (compared to luxury cars like the 7 Series and). S-Class) and won the WhatCar Prize of the Year overall. I had an F10 with upgraded piano black trim and professional iDrive and Oyster/Black upholstery and I can assure you that my F10 interior looks great just with the standard aluminum rombicle trim, cognac upholstery and that The standard professional G30 drive felt good for the rental because I kept both for a few weeks.
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| you&me (609hp) | Quote: Originally written by AmooManiak Don't worry, it's always those who don't own something who complain about it. This happens every time a new model comes out. Anyone who owns the older model always prefers it to the new one...until they buy the new one. It always happens! Personally, I think the G30 is a great evolution of the F10. +1 It's only a matter of time before you like it
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| asshole99 (999hp) | If you own a well-equipped LCI F10, there's little reason to trade it in for a G30. Sure, some things are slightly improved (iDrive, HUD, driver assist, choice of interior lighting), but that's just not what some people describe, as the G30 is much better in many ways. Some people go from a pre-LCI base model F10 to a better equipped G30 and find it to be a much better car. For this reason, you can ignore most G30 reviews from former F10 owners. If you didn't have a HUD, xDrive, Nappa, Adaptive LED, etc. and you have it now, you'll think you have a better car - especially that you just spent a lot more money and have to justify it. Some of us new to the F10 ('14-up) don't think the G30 is a worthy successor. I'll probably skip the G30 until it's LCI or whatever comes after that.
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| cgi-2 (649hp) | Quote: Originally written by babaikram. The standard sport seat looks and feels better, is more comfortable and firmer. The ambient lighting, the multifunction display, the Sensatech, etc. The car glides over potholes with the standard M sports suspension. The only disappointment is of course the sunglasses compartment without a lining. The black middle plate has no individual buttons, but makes the G30 look more modern. Don't forget how luxurious the standard G30 520SE is, it was named WhatCar Luxury Car of the Year (compared to luxury cars like the 7 Series and). S-Class) and won the WhatCar Prize of the Year overall. I had an F10 with upgraded piano black trim and professional iDrive and Oyster/Black upholstery and I can assure you that my F10 interior looks great just with the standard aluminum rombicle trim, cognac upholstery and that The standard professional G30 drive felt good for the rental because I kept both for a few weeks. Maybe we see luxury as two different things, but you haven't really convinced me that it's more luxurious. What I get from your answer is newer and different, which is great. Also, Sensatech and luxury just don't belong in the same sentence, but that's just my opinion.
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| chuchi (249hp) | I think after reading all the posts I would go with the F10 hood creases, the integrated GPS screen (not the current add-on look), the latest diesel option (not yet available in North America for the G30) and the less aggressive ones Lights favor traditional round angel eyes as well as more traditional wheels. The smaller F10 overhang at the front and rear of the body is also better. The G30 appears to have better seats and an available spare tire - both of which are very important to me. But I got an f10 remainder at CPO price. We'll see what will happen in the future...
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| Lady_n52 (854hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Bbb34 Maybe we see luxury as two different things, but you haven't really convinced me that it's more luxurious. What I get from your answer is newer and different, which is great. Also, Sensatech and luxury just don't belong in the same sentence, but that's just my opinion. Some things are difficult to describe. I want you to tell me what would make G30 more luxurious than F10 for you
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| water13 (584hp) | Quote: Originally written by Attila7 If you have a well-equipped LCI F10, there's not much reason to trade it in for a G30. Sure, some things are slightly improved (iDrive, HUD, driver assist, choice of interior lighting), but that's just not what some people describe, as the G30 is much better in many ways. Some people go from a pre-LCI base model F10 to a better equipped G30 and find it to be a much better car. For this reason, you can ignore most G30 reviews from former F10 owners. If you didn't have a HUD, xDrive, Nappa, Adaptive LED, etc. and you have it now, you'll think you have a better car - especially that you just spent a lot more money and have to justify it. Some of us new to the F10 ('14-up) don't think the G30 is a worthy successor. I'll probably skip the G30 until it's LCI or whatever comes after that. Your statements sound a bit condescending. This is my third BMW. The options in my current G30 are fewer than my F10 and I usually own my own cars
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| dgkallday1 (623hp) | I trust the word of someone who has owned both more than someone who only owns the old model. Of course we will hear biased opinions.
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| senerity (227hp) | Quote: Originally written by babaikram Some things are difficult to describe. I would like you to tell me what would make G30 more luxurious than F10 for you. Sunglass compartment with inner lining, but then a nicer material would have to be used for the inner lining than the F10. Of course I'm joking, and before I try to answer your question, I want to clarify what I want to say. I am by no means saying that G30 is worse, less luxurious or uglier than F10. I'm just saying that I don't see how it could be more luxurious, and things you're talking about don't fall under luxury in my opinion. Now let me try to answer your question: What would make it more luxurious? Compared to F10, better (more expensive) materials would have to be used, be it plastic, metal or leather. Better sound/driving noise insulation, more comfortable seats, higher quality components in the audio system, navigation seamlessly integrated into the dashboard (yet safely within sight), quieter operation of the cooling/heating fan, pleasant sounding signal light, warnings, smaller clearances (finer tolerance) in the interior plastic etc. It's hard to disagree that F10 is pretty impressive in most if not all of the above? Again, I don't want to say that the G30 isn't the better vehicle. I can't know either since I haven't driven it much. I definitely hope it gets better since they've had eight years to improve the previous model. After looking at a few models at my dealer, I just can't imagine it being more luxurious. I think you're just very impressed by the feeling of being new and slightly different.
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| honda93 (439hp) | Quote: Originally written by Bbb34. Sunglass compartment with inner lining, but then a nicer material would have to be used for the inner lining than the F10. Of course I'm joking, and before I try to answer your question, I want to clarify what I want to say. I am by no means saying that G30 is worse, less luxurious or uglier than F10. I'm just saying that I don't see how it could be more luxurious, and things you're talking about don't fall under luxury in my opinion. Now let me try to answer your question: What would make it more luxurious? Compared to F10, better (more expensive) materials would have to be used, be it plastic, metal or leather. Better sound/driving noise insulation, more comfortable seats, higher quality components in the audio system, navigation seamlessly integrated into the dashboard (yet safely within sight), quieter operation of the cooling/heating fan, pleasant sounding signal light, warnings, smaller clearances (finer tolerance) in the interior plastic etc. It's hard to disagree that F10 is pretty impressive in most if not all of the above? Again, I don't want to say that the G30 isn't the better vehicle. I can't know either since I haven't driven it much. I definitely hope it gets better since they've had eight years to improve the previous model. After looking at a few models at my dealer, I just can't imagine it being more luxurious. I think you're just very impressed by the feeling of being new and slightly different. According to your criteria for more luxury, G30 is more luxurious. Point by point: 1. Better, more expensive material: Some parts of the G30 frame contain aluminum, unlike F10, which makes G30 lighter. The Sensatec dashboard is a no-cost option, at least in the M Sport, compared to the rubber/plastic dashboard in the F10. In some markets this is a paid option. Sensatec is definitely an improvement over the standard plastic/rubber dashboard in the F10 2. Better sound/driving noise. The G30 is far better isolated from road and engine noise compared to the F10. Every review testifies to this. In fact, sometimes you forget you're driving a diesel. Friends with diesel F10s have commented on this. 3. More comfortable seats: G30 class seats are more comfortable than F10 class seats. This is my experience and the experience of many other F10 previous owners and reviews 4. Audi system: The Harman Kardon speakers in the G30 are better than the F10. This has been commented on in detail on 5. Navigation system: It's far better than in the F10 (I had professional idrive in my F10). They are not comparable, you talk to him now, you don't follow menus. In fact, it understands your accent over time because it uses the Nuance voice recognition system. You can cross numbers from different phones. You can compose and reply to texts using voice commands. Touchscreen and gesture controls are useful. I know some would say these are gimmicks. I use them all the time. In fact, the idrive is so good that I think Apple CarPlay is unnecessary. As for integration into the dashboard, that's a matter of opinion. I prefer the high placement of the idrive as you can still see the road when looking at it. 6. Quieter operation of the cooling/heating fan, pleasant sounding signal light, warnings: All G30s have active protection, which indicates on the HUD or in the cockpit whether your speed could lead to a collision with vehicles in front and brakes the car if necessary . I agree that it seems some people are having issues with the speed of their cooling fans in the G30. All G30s come with this as standard.
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| january01 (46hp) | I don't need to own a G30 to know that it has cheap styling touches and softer, less defining body lines. In my opinion it's hideous and just because it's newer doesn't automatically mean it looks better. As for the new electronic stuff, which like all of its predecessors will soon break, I'm not particularly impressed. In fact the F10 will be my last BMW, these buggers spend more time at the dealer doing warranty work than on the road. I'm just waiting for the G30 issues threads to pop up.....
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| decembre (46hp) | Quote: Originally written by babaikram According to your criteria for more luxury, G30 is more luxurious. To show you point by point: ... The interior of the G30 is one of the few BMW interiors that can compete with equivalent Mercedes vehicles. Alright, that's your opinion, not my opinion. I felt they were quite comparable in terms of fit, finish and interior materials used. And I could very well be wrong. Again, I'm just talking about wanting the interior to be more luxurious, which is the only thing I've been arguing about here. I just feel the need to address one more thing as this is a big problem for me. Sensatech or whatever Sensa-Cool/Tech name BMW gives it, and I can't stress this enough, is not a luxury material, never has been and never will be. It's not an upgrade over *any* luxury. There is one and only one reason for its existence: price. It allows manufacturers to spend less. I may be old fashioned, but I don't have expensive shoes, belts, jackets and furniture that I insisted on using Sensatech while paying the premium price. I think my wife uses similar logic with her shoes and handbags. Maybe we were brainwashed? I hope you are right on all other counts and when the day comes that I have to replace F10 if I stick with BMW and the 5 series I will be proven wrong.
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| cherry09 (31hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Quicksilv3r I've posted this comparison before, but I think it speaks for itself in how much more attractive the F10 is than its successor. The G30 styling is over the top and unnecessary in almost every way. To me the new one looks better from this side view, but I like the F10 better in every way. I think for me this is the only view of the G30 that looks better than the F10. From any other angle, and man, that G30 hood is just grandma, the F10 owns it. But now that I've gotten to know BMW, I'm sure I'll find a way to love the G30 when the time comes. But I kept the last car I loved for 18 years, so who knows if a G30 is in my future :-)
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| Cartreats (982hp) | Pop the G30's F10 hood...I bet it fits, lol!
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| 26071993 (271hp) | Hello everyone, new member here bought me a 2011 535xi Sport in Silver Gray Metallic with Everest Gray leather, with Comfort Package, Driver Assistance Package, Driving Dynamics Package, Premium Package, Premium Package 2 and Sport Package. The car was in good condition with 78,000 miles and was purchased on Friday the 30th. The next day, Saturday, the following were replaced: both front outer CV boots, complete front brakes, low pressure fuel sensor, oil filter and oil cooler gaskets, valve cover gasket, oil and filter change and alignment. Later we plan to convert the M front and rear bumpers, the tint of the windows all around is 35%, I'm still discussing about painting the front and rear brake calipers in racing blue, I'll also get 343M 18 wheels from the 640 Grand Get a coupe with new winter tires that I will put on current wheels for the winter set. Got the complete set for $800.00! Oh, and I was thinking about wrapping the fairing in carbon fiber. Former BMW cars owned: 1986 E28 528e, 1989 E30 325ix, 2000 E46 328ci, 2001 E38 740i Sport.
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| 245678 (956hp) | Welcome! and clean car! Wish you all the best
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| homeworld (47hp) | Cool ride! Nice wood paneling inside. Curious to know what the CCCP tag is all about – random or personalized?
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| testing (844hp) | congratulations!
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| greenday21 (28hp) | Welcome. Looks good
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| thisismine (95hp) | Very nice! congratulations.
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| espinosa (11hp) | Quote: Originally posted by johnhva Cool ride! Nice wood paneling inside. Curious about what the CCCP tag is all about – random or personalized? Thank you very much! I'm actually not a fan of colored wood paneling. Yes, it is a personalized plate. I come from the former Soviet Union.
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| 150000 (456hp) | Couple of updated images:
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| 08081998 (867hp) | Welcome, the rims look good.
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| catcat12 (515hp) | Man, I bet you feel the same way I did when I got mine. I still feel the same way. Great driver, man! Looks fantastic!
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| stupidgirl (169hp) | By the way, I was thinking about which shade to choose. Last week I reached a total of 20%. I love it!
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| spike11 (192hp) | Quote: Originally posted by S1ammin By the way, I was thinking about which shade to use. Last week I reached a total of 20%. I love it! Thanks. Yes, I made 20% too. The whole thing looks great. The next project is the conversion for M-Sport bumpers.
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| ndinh (163hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gabypr Welcome, the rims look good. Thanks.
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| vanya (227hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gabypr Welcome, the rims look good. +1
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| iloveyou31 (546hp) | Hello everyone, new member here bought me a 2011 535xi Sport in Silver Gray Metallic with Everest Gray leather, with Comfort Package, Driver Assistance Package, Driving Dynamics Package, Premium Package, Premium Package 2 and Sport Package. The car was in good condition with 78,000 miles and was purchased on Friday the 30th. The next day, Saturday, the following were replaced: both front outer CV boots, complete front brakes, low pressure fuel sensor, oil filter and oil cooler gaskets, valve cover gasket, oil and filter change and alignment. Later we plan to convert the M front and rear bumpers, the tint of the windows all around is 35%, I'm still discussing painting the front and rear brake calipers in racing blue and also 343M 18 wheels from the 640 Grand Coupe with new winter tires to get that I will mount on current wheels for the winter set. Got the complete set for $800.00! Oh, and I was thinking about wrapping the fairing in carbon fiber. Former BMW cars owned: 1986 E28 528e, 1989 E30 325ix, 2000 E46 328ci, 2001 E38 740i Sport.
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| notice (898hp) | Welcome! and clean car! Wish you all the best
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| ll2011 (282hp) | Cool ride! Nice wood paneling inside. Curious to know what the CCCP tag is all about – random or personalized?
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| samson2 (426hp) | congratulations!
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| 22051995 (218hp) | Welcome. Looks good
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| 09061985 (516hp) | Very nice! congratulations.
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| 197512 (99hp) | Quote: Originally posted by johnhva Cool ride! Nice wood paneling inside. Curious about what the CCCP tag is all about – random or personalized? Thank you very much! I'm actually not a fan of colored wood paneling. Yes, it is a personalized plate. I come from the former Soviet Union.
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| djeter2 (380hp) | Couple of updated images:
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| 10121995 (401hp) | Welcome, the rims look good.
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| fallen12 (92hp) | Man, I bet you feel the same way I did when I got mine. I still feel the same way. Great driver, man! Looks fantastic!
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| armada-n (322hp) | By the way, I was thinking about which shade to choose. Last week I reached a total of 20%. I love it!
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| joeboy (916hp) | Quote: Originally posted by S1ammin By the way, I was thinking about which shade to use. Last week I reached a total of 20%. I love it! Thanks. Yes, I made 20% too. The whole thing looks great. The next project is the conversion for M-Sport bumpers.
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| chelsea21 (805hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gabypr Welcome, the rims look good. Thanks.
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| smokey99 (319hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gabypr Welcome, the rims look good. +1
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| mlai (626hp) | I posted this on the technical page because I will get more traffic here too. I wanted to install my BMS inlet and came across this valve with an additional filter covering it. It seems sensitive to having additional filters, so I've paused the installation until I get answers. I'll just do the YouTube video and look under this valve and this box
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| latin1 (189hp) | Got my answers: It's a bypass valve in case the main air source is blocked by water or dirt and the engine would have some sort of oxygen. Same design as the cold air intake bypass example:
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| 240291 (269hp) | As I'm seeing this, the valve isn't big enough to supply the engine with the air it needs to run. However, the spring-loaded valve would be able to break the vacuum and direct large amounts of water into a submerged intake, making it slightly more likely to avoid a hydro-locked engine. Always try to use a broken straw to take a drink beforehand?
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| 19861028 (202hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Stück I'm just seeing this: The valve is not big enough to supply the engine with the air it needs to operate. However, the spring-loaded valve would be able to break the vacuum and direct large amounts of water into a submerged intake, making it slightly more likely to avoid a hydro-locked engine. Have you ever tried to drink something with a broken straw? I need to check my car for this - since it's still on a full maintenance schedule, I don't inspect everything all the time. FWIW - In my opinion the air through this valve will power the engine just fine, but nowhere near full power, which you wouldn't (and shouldn't) use in a deep water scenario anyway. I'm glad to see it there myself... BMW's (possibly German's in general) factory intakes seem to have been very effective and efficient for decades. Cold air intakes may sound better (to some), but under real-world conditions and near-stock tuning, they are unlikely to produce more power or draw in colder air. I wish BMW would offer a few more options for those who want more sound. I'm thinking of Porsche's engine sound package from the 993 - just perfect in my opinion. No roar, no amateurish bass exhaust, no hum - lots of barking, growling and the sound of power. From what I understand it was a combination of airbox and exhaust modifications.
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| nike10 (747hp) | So I installed the BMS inlet, no problems at all and no lights. When the hood is open the sound is massive, when the hood is closed it is barely audible. I guess it's all about cool points
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| Sandy (886hp) | I posted this on the technical page because I will get more traffic here too. I wanted to install my BMS inlet and came across this valve with an additional filter covering it. It seems sensitive to having additional filters, so I've paused the installation until I get answers. I'll just do the YouTube video and look under this valve and this box
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| nannie (702hp) | Got my answers: It's a bypass valve in case the main air source is blocked by water or dirt and the engine would have some sort of oxygen. Same design as the cold air intake bypass example:
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| swizzreese (831hp) | As I'm seeing this, the valve isn't big enough to supply the engine with the air it needs to run. However, the spring-loaded valve would be able to break the vacuum and direct large amounts of water into a submerged intake, making it slightly more likely to avoid a hydro-locked engine. Always try to use a broken straw to take a drink beforehand?
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| pato (721hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Stück I'm just seeing this: The valve is not big enough to supply the engine with the air it needs to operate. However, the spring-loaded valve would be able to break the vacuum and direct large amounts of water into a submerged intake, making it slightly more likely to avoid a hydro-locked engine. Have you ever tried to drink something with a broken straw? I need to check my car for this - since it's still on a full maintenance schedule, I don't inspect everything all the time. FWIW - In my opinion the air through this valve will power the engine just fine, but nowhere near full power, which you wouldn't (and shouldn't) use in a deep water scenario anyway. I'm glad to see it there myself... BMW's (possibly German's in general) factory intakes seem to have been very effective and efficient for decades. Cold air intakes may sound better (to some), but under real-world conditions and near-stock tuning, they are unlikely to produce more power or draw in colder air. I wish BMW would offer a few more options for those who want more sound. I'm thinking of Porsche's engine sound package from the 993 - just perfect in my opinion. No roar, no amateurish bass exhaust, no hum - lots of barking, growling and the sound of power. From what I understand it was a combination of airbox and exhaust modifications.
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| Brey335i (411hp) | So I installed the BMS inlet, no problems at all and no lights. When the hood is open the sound is massive, when the hood is closed it is barely audible. I guess it's all about cool points
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| branden1 (352hp) | Hello everyone, first time posters! Not a BMW owner yet, but looking forward to becoming one soon! I'm thinking about buying a 2014 or 2015 528i, or maybe a 535i, most likely. I would like to know at what mileage/kilometers the first major maintenance costs arise. I realize this often depends on driving style, but there must be general areas and I haven't been able to figure that out. I haven't figured out the typical maintenance schedule for the 5 series. By when, for example, are brakes usually completed? I realize that tires can be easily determined based on the remaining tread. Are there any other typical maintenance tasks (besides the obvious oil/filter changes) that would occur around 25,000 to 50,000 miles? Engine maintenance? I want to know more about upcoming expenses so I can decide what to buy. I just don't want any surprises a month after driving my car around! For example, I find models from 2014 with a mileage between 30,000 and 100,000 km. And will the 4 year 80,000 km warranty transfer to a second owner? And this maintenance package means that the brakes will be replaced under warranty if they don't break within 80,000 km? Or does normal wear and tear not count as part of the warranty? Thanks in advance.
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| 240482 (472hp) | This document is BMW's view of the maintenance schedule. There are variables to consider when considering this, and you can do things like oil changes more frequently to further extend the life of the engine and components like the turbo. With brakes, you need to use a physical view to assess the remaining pad. My fronts show 20,000 miles and have 40,000 miles on them. My rear wheels have 20,000 miles on them and the iDrive shows 15,000 miles.
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| MaStEr77 (691hp) | Thanks, Mrashton!
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| hancock (343hp) | Hello everyone, first time posters! Not a BMW owner yet, but looking forward to becoming one soon! I'm thinking about buying a 2014 or 2015 528i, or maybe a 535i, most likely. I would like to know at what mileage/kilometers the first major maintenance costs arise. I realize this often depends on driving style, but there must be general areas and I haven't been able to figure that out. I haven't figured out the typical maintenance schedule for the 5 series. By when, for example, are brakes usually completed? I realize that tires can be easily determined based on the remaining tread. Are there any other typical maintenance tasks (besides the obvious oil/filter changes) that would occur around 25,000 to 50,000 miles? Engine maintenance? I want to know more about upcoming expenses so I can decide what to buy. I just don't want any surprises a month after driving my car around! For example, I find models from 2014 with a mileage between 30,000 and 100,000 km. And will the 4 year 80,000 km warranty transfer to a second owner? And this maintenance package means that the brakes will be replaced under warranty if they don't break within 80,000 km? Or does normal wear and tear not count as part of the warranty? Thanks in advance.
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| 012511n (283hp) | This document is BMW's view of the maintenance schedule. There are variables to consider when considering this, and you can do things like oil changes more frequently to further extend the life of the engine and components like the turbo. With brakes, you need to use a physical view to assess the remaining pad. My fronts show 20,000 miles and have 40,000 miles on them. My rear wheels have 20,000 miles on them and the iDrive shows 15,000 miles.
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| hajohehe (672hp) | Thanks, Mrashton!
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| birddog (890hp) | I just dropped my car off at the dealer. It makes really loud knocking noises and throws all sorts of errors on iDrive. My technician already suspected that it could be related to the rod bearing. It's still under CPO warranty and I'm hoping to get a new engine. Regardless of what happens, it's up for sale as soon as I get it back as I'm looking for a new, winter-ready everyday car (most likely an SUV). I will keep everyone updated. This is the fourth dealer visit in the short two months I've owned the car, lol. On the bright side, I can drive my M6 more
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| jump23 (348hp) | Wow! You just got it too! Good thing there's still a warranty, otherwise you'd be screwed! Keep us updated
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| ededic00 (963hp) | Wow... it was yours 550?
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| frfltvbz (83hp) | Quote: Originally written by ey2001 Wow... was it your 550? Yes, sir. I love the car more than anything. Maybe I'll look into an N63Tu, but I just got a big raise and make a lot more money at work. I test drive GTRs and R8s around town and may be considering driving one of these.
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| jchenman (199hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Flamelauncher14 Yes sir. I love the car more than anything. Maybe I'll look into an N63Tu, but I just got a big raise and make a lot more money at work. I test drive GTRs and R8s around town and may be considering driving one of these.
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| homo (355hp) | I also had my N63 engine replaced last month. It's becoming a trend. There are about 4 others here with bearing issues.
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| 290491 (785hp) | I just received a call from my SA. A really great call! They ordered me a brand new engine and will also replace the turbos. All for a measly $50 co-pay haha. I can't wait to get it next week. I'm still thinking about selling it just because I really want a GT-R. I'm happy to sell it with all the trimmings for the price I bought it for, which is $26,500. You get a brand new engine and new turbos!
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| beans123 (343hp) | Quote: Originally written by Flamelauncher14 I just received a call from my SA. A really great call! They ordered me a brand new engine and will also replace the turbos. All for a measly $50 co-pay haha. I can't wait to get it next week. I'm still thinking about selling it just because I really want a GT-R. I'm happy to sell it with all the trimmings for the price I bought it for, which is $26,500. You get a brand new engine and turbos! You should keep it. With a new engine and new turbos, the car can easily travel another 100,000 miles. Especially since you are most likely getting the BMW Crate N63B44A which has an updated timing chain, valve seals, bearings, etc. But also GT-R = Win. However, I'm not sure about the reliability aspect.
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| Jasonlaw (947hp) | Quote: Originally written by VNGNCE5. You should keep it. With a new engine and new turbos, the car can easily travel another 100,000 miles. Especially since you are most likely getting the BMW Crate N63B44A which has an updated timing chain, valve seals, bearings, etc. But also GT-R = Win. However, I'm not sure about the reliability aspect. I hope. After the CPO expires, the car is no longer under warranty, so I don't want to take the risk. Especially since it's still a normal N63.
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| lailas (549hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Flamelauncher14 I hope. After the CPO expires, the car is no longer under warranty, so I don't want to take the risk. Especially since it's still a normal N63. BMW parts automatically come with a 2-year, unlimited mileage warranty. But yes, after the 2 year warranty on the engine expires, I'm getting out of the N63. Honestly, most likely my last BMW. This is the second model I have owned with bearing issues. I'm sure you're familiar with the S85 problems. My E60 M5 had plenty.
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