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| chelsea10 (967hp) | Quote: Originally posted by RC3 Thanks for the info. juztinl By any chance, did the store mention a discount for bulk purchases? I'm interested in the 356 which is 20, this store's previous offer is $30,000+ including the Pirelli P zero hero (trading stock 17). I'm sure they can do better than what they quoted you. RC3, in fact, this price corresponds to the exchange of 18......
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| jaydee (892hp) | =) 312 It’s growing on me. but i'm not sure about the ride quality on 20. what do you think?? By the way, I think my friend didn't know what tire size I was talking about, so yes, they should be over 2k. and is Dunlop Sp Sport good?
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| tonitoni (396hp) | Hi Do any of you know that by connecting a fairly old iPod (4 years old, classic model, color screen and 60 GB), you will see the album art on the navigation screen? I know it's possible with a new iPod or my iPhone4, but I don't want to place my iPhone in the iPhone holder every time I get in my car (when it arrives in January)
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| !root (856hp) | I haven't heard of a compatibility issue with older generations. iPod. BMW's announcement doesn't mention it either: * One-wire iPod integration: An iPod connection will no longer require the "Y-cable". The original iPod USB cable is sufficient to connect the device to the vehicle. This simplifies connection by not requiring an auxiliary input. Music is transferred directly from the iPod in digital form to the HiFi system via USB. Therefore, starting in September, the Y-cable will no longer be included with the iPod/USB Adapter (6FL). * Album Art: The ability to display album art will also be included with the iPod/USB adapter. If the cover art is contained in the song metadata, it will be displayed on the vehicle's display while the song is playing. By the way: the cover art can be displayed in the side panel of the split screen. When the image is in high resolution. it looks awesome.
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| 290584 (91hp) | excellent, I will now replace all album art with high resolution images!
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| pass13 (878hp) | Quote: Originally posted by erce excellent, I will now replace all album art with high resolution images! Images from the Apple Store are generally pretty good. But if you're still missing a cover for your own music collection, check out this excellent site: http://covers.slothradio.com/
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| 22021981 (77hp) | Quote: Originally posted by erce excellent, I will now replace all album art with high resolution images! Don't bother. Images are converted to poor quality when transferred to old iPods. High resolution starts with the newest iPods. I have an old iPod classic 30Gig and it only displays raw picture quality. I also have a new iPod touch, the album photos are really sharp when connected.
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| jason101 (83hp) | The iPod must be running OS4. This is not the case for the iPod Classic. The Touch (2nd generation onwards) and the latest Nano (supposedly) work as long as they run OS4 or later..
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| verizon2 (360hp) | THANKS. This means I'm going to buy a new iPod touch or nano
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| kushal (502hp) | Quote: Originally published by Erce Thanx. This means I'm going to buy a new iPod touch or nano. You have to do it. It's not about images. My first generation nano wouldn't work at all. The second generation worked well.
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| cooking (996hp) | Quote: Originally posted by erce but I don't want to place my iPhone in the iPhone holder every time I get in my car (when it arrives in January) Quote: Originally posted by erce Thanx. This means I'm going to buy a new iPod touch or nano. Or you can just get a cheap USB stick. It works as well as an iPod (album art, playlists, etc.) and no cables take up space.
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| b1b2b3b4 (177hp) | Hi Do any of you know that by connecting a fairly old iPod (4 years old, classic model, color screen and 60 GB), you will see the album art on the navigation screen? I know it's possible with a new iPod or my iPhone4, but I don't want to place my iPhone in the iPhone holder every time I get in my car (when it arrives in January)
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| twogirls (390hp) | I haven't heard of a compatibility issue with older generations. iPod. BMW's announcement doesn't mention it either: * One-wire iPod integration: An iPod connection will no longer require the "Y-cable". The original iPod USB cable is sufficient to connect the device to the vehicle. This simplifies connection by not requiring an auxiliary input. Music is transferred directly from the iPod in digital form to the HiFi system via USB. Therefore, starting in September, the Y-cable will no longer be included with the iPod/USB Adapter (6FL). * Album Art: The ability to display album art will also be included with the iPod/USB adapter. If the cover art is contained in the song metadata, it will be displayed on the vehicle's display while the song is playing. By the way: the cover art can be displayed in the side panel of the split screen. When the image is in high resolution. it looks awesome.
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| fishy2 (217hp) | excellent, I will now replace all album art with high resolution images!
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| okokok1 (725hp) | Quote: Originally posted by erce excellent, I will now replace all album art with high resolution images! Images from the Apple Store are generally pretty good. But if you're still missing a cover for your own music collection, check out this excellent site: http://covers.slothradio.com/
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| emma99 (245hp) | Quote: Originally posted by erce excellent, I will now replace all album art with high resolution images! Don't bother. Images are converted to poor quality when transferred to old iPods. High resolution starts with the newest iPods. I have an old iPod classic 30Gig and it only displays raw picture quality. I also have a new iPod touch, the album photos are really sharp when connected.
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| sweety23 (312hp) | The iPod must be running OS4. This is not the case for the iPod Classic. The Touch (2nd generation onwards) and the latest Nano (supposedly) work as long as they run OS4 or later..
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| dana11 (134hp) | THANKS. This means I'm going to buy a new iPod touch or nano
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| 220186 (997hp) | Quote: Originally published by Erce Thanx. This means I'm going to buy a new iPod touch or nano. You have to do it. It's not about images. My first generation nano wouldn't work at all. The second generation worked well.
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| nofx (54hp) | Quote: Originally posted by erce but I don't want to place my iPhone in the iPhone holder every time I get in my car (when it arrives in January) Quote: Originally posted by erce Thanx. This means I'm going to buy a new iPod touch or nano. Or you can just get a cheap USB stick. It works as well as an iPod (album art, playlists, etc.) and no cables take up space.
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| ranger7 (928hp) | I just got a 27% tint all around. This is what is legal here in Colorado. This gives a very sophisticated look. I also just put on a coat of Griots Best of Show Car Wax. It's really beautiful and shiny!! Let me know what you think!!!
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| 199020 (572hp) | Boricua! This looks perfect! I wish I could go this dark in GA.
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| 270177 (252hp) | Congratulations, it looks good! Tinted windows always remind me "Tinted windows don't mean anything, they know who's inside" hehe
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| Darryl79 (434hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 5tony Boricua! This looks perfect! I wish we could go this dark in GA. THANKS!!!!!!
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| pipiska (360hp) | 27% should be quite dark, doesn't seem very dark at all. What type of film is it and who is making it??
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| froggy101 (623hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 27% should be pretty dark, doesn't seem very dark at all. What type of film is it and who is making it? This is from the DMV website!! The movie is MADICO. The tint shop had 3 tint levels, the one I got which is legal, medium and dark limo. I used the media one last time and got a ticket for it. So it's just legal for me.... Windshield Non-reflective tint is allowed on the top 4 inches of the windshield. Front side windows must let in more than 27% of light. Rear side windows must let in more than 27% of light. The rear window must let in more than 27% of light..
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| maybe (785hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Snakeman56 This is from the DMV website!! The movie is MADICO. The tint shop had 3 tint levels, the one I got which is legal, medium and dark limo. I used the media one last time and got a ticket for it. So it's completely legal for me... OK, but Madico makes about half a dozen different types of automotive films. Do you know what you bought? http://www.madico.com/WindowFilms/Auto_Products.asp
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| 010385 (645hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 OK, but Madico makes about half a dozen different types of car films. Do you know what you bought? http://www.madico.com/WindowFilms/Auto_Products.asp I just looked at the warranty document and it just says madico.. I'll call him and ask which one.
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| ranger11 (21hp) | Quote: Posted by Snakeman56 I just looked at the warranty document and it just says madico.. I'll call him and ask him which one. Hmm... that's a bit strange. Does the warranty card come from the manufacturer or the installer? The reason I ask is because I also have the Madico movie. The warranty card I received is from the manufacturer, it also shows the name of the installer, the specific type of film and a tear-off card which must be returned to the manufacturer for registration..
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| JBHall (534hp) | This shade looks super lightweight. Cousin just installed 35% on a black 335i and it looks much darker. Your Gatoman too and I believe yours is 30%. weird!
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| asdasd11 (606hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Jimefam This shade looks super lightweight. Cousin just installed 35% on a black 335i and it looks much darker. Your Gatoman too and I believe yours is 30%. weird! I have 35%, Madico Wincos who was the medium. The other two choices were 20%, which was way too dark, and 45, which was way too light (and looks like the OP's shade.).
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| overlord1 (915hp) | Did they place a sticker between your film and the window? I don't see it, just out of curiosity. I also have the 'medium' cassava wincos and it is a bit darker than the one above.
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| wang123456 (885hp) | I just got a 27% tint all around. This is what is legal here in Colorado. This gives a very sophisticated look. I also just put on a coat of Griots Best of Show Car Wax. It's really beautiful and shiny!! Let me know what you think!!!
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| shadow16 (904hp) | Boricua! This looks perfect! I wish I could go this dark in Georgia.
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| 198813 (710hp) | Congratulations, it looks good! Tinted windows always remind me "Tinted windows don't mean anything, they know who's inside" hehe
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| 231287 (790hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 5tony Boricua! This looks perfect! I wish we could go this dark in GA. THANKS!!!!!!
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| AlonBabaev (828hp) | 27% should be quite dark, doesn't seem very dark at all. What type of film is it and who is making it??
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| benedict (874hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 27% should be pretty dark, doesn't seem very dark at all. What type of film is it and who is making it? This is from the DMV website!! The movie is MADICO. The tint shop had 3 tint levels, the one I got which is legal, medium and dark limo. I used the media one last time and got a ticket for it. So it's just legal for me.... Windshield Non-reflective tint is allowed on the top 4 inches of the windshield. Front side windows must let in more than 27% of light. Rear side windows must let in more than 27% of light. The rear window must let in more than 27% of light..
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| binky (848hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Snakeman56 This is from the DMV website!! The movie is MADICO. The tint shop had 3 tint levels, the one I got which is legal, medium and dark limo. I used the media one last time and got a ticket for it. So it's completely legal for me... OK, but Madico makes about half a dozen different types of automotive films. Do you know what you bought? http://www.madico.com/WindowFilms/Auto_Products.asp
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| 121974 (737hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 OK, but Madico makes about half a dozen different types of car films. Do you know what you bought? http://www.madico.com/WindowFilms/Auto_Products.asp I just looked at the warranty document and it just says madico.. I will call him and ask him which one.
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| 18101810 (690hp) | Quote: Posted by Snakeman56 I just looked at the warranty document and it just says madico.. I'll call him and ask him which one. Hmm... that's a bit strange. Does the warranty card come from the manufacturer or the installer? The reason I ask is because I also have the Madico movie. The warranty card I received is from the manufacturer, it also shows the name of the installer, the specific type of film and a tear-off card which must be returned to the manufacturer for registration..
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| fyz (336hp) | This shade looks super lightweight. Cousin just installed 35% on a black 335i and it looks much darker. Your Gatoman too and I believe yours is 30%. weird!
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| shane12 (366hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Jimefam This shade looks super lightweight. Cousin just installed 35% on a black 335i and it looks much darker. Your Gatoman too and I believe yours is 30%. weird! I have 35%, Madico Wincos who was the medium. The other two choices were 20%, which was way too dark, and 45, which was way too light (and looks like the OP's shade.).
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| chandler12 (28hp) | Did they place a sticker between your film and the window? I don't see it, just out of curiosity. I also have the 'medium' cassava wincos and it is a bit darker than the one above.
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| F10CarlitoNYC (563hp) | Will I be disappointed? I've seen a few of you post about this (painful) transition, but it seems to have done it without much regret. I just tested a 550xi without the M-sport, and while the power was excellent, I found the suspension a little disappointing. Does the M-sport significantly change its character to make it comparable to an M3? Are those of you who have been to M-sport happy with the handling? I would consider the M5, but I need AWD. Besides, I want to take this step now. THANKS.
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| david05 (21hp) | As you probably know, M3 is also not available in full version. M Sport does not change the handling at all. These are just cosmetic changes. I had the same problem and ordered the 550ix M Sport. I'm still waiting for it. The handling won't be like a 3 series or my old 535ix, but I'm sure I'll still enjoy the car. Gotta get over the lack of sporty feel I guess.
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| mimi23 (695hp) | I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but have you tried M Sport before saying it's only cosmetic. I thought it was more aggressive (reading other articles) than the more aggressive Sport+ mode with the dynamic suspension. I have 535d on order with M+M sport kit, so hoping it's not a sofa on wheels ))
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| mariah123 (669hp) | I can't touch the twin turbo until all the problems are resolved. I did this with the 335
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| chill (769hp) | I had the same dilemma a year ago when I traded in my C63 AMG for a Merc E550. Man, I hated the E550 and regretted the decision every day!!! After six months I sold the Merc and bought the BMW 550i. In sport mode and using the paddle shifters, handling is good and acceleration is correct. But it's a completely different experience than an M3 or a C63. You barely hear the engine noise, it's much harder to drift, and you'll never get better laps on track days again... That said, the 550i is the best car I've had for everyday use !!! Good luck
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| romawka (762hp) | Quote: Originally posted by x5 '08 As you probably know, M3 is also not available in full version. M Sport does not change the handling at all. These are just cosmetic changes. I had the same problem and ordered the 550ix M Sport. I'm still waiting for it. The handling won't be like a 3 series or my old 535ix, but I'm sure I'll still enjoy the car. I have to get over the lack of sporting feel, I guess. Sorry you are wrong!! M-Sport MAKES a difference, quite a big one in my opinion, and I'm coming from the M3 E90 and looking forward to the 550i M-Sport too, I wouldn't buy another 5 series other than the M-Sport, it's is the closest thing to the M3 in general.
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| steph01 (84hp) | There is no sports suspension on the M Sport package (on X cars), so how can it ride differently?
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| 260284 (34hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ClausCoupe There is no sports suspension on the M Sport package (on the X cars), so how can it ride any differently? I think the OP might well go for the M Sport if he thinks most people think it's an improvement over the STD suspension and handling..
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| anthony28 (718hp) | @ johnbmw6 I have no patience! I signed a contract and I think I will let you know at the end of next week. I know I'll miss the M again3...
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| sav (238hp) | In the United States, M-sport is only cosmetic. However, European models come with the sport suspension.
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| 170881 (299hp) | Quote: Posted by jdizzle27 @johnbmw6 I have no patience! I signed a contract and I think I will let you know at the end of next week. I know I'll still miss the M3...I'm sure you'll enjoy the car for what it is and it's not an M3, but you'll drive a very fast and luxurious car..
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| EZgo (145hp) | If you don't like the 550, you can always go back to the M3 in 2014. The next generation M3.
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| tommy7 (953hp) | Yes, now it's afterthought and beating a dead horse, but I think 19 wheels, dynamic damper control, adaptive ride and active roll stabilization should add a noticeable difference to the handling. Maybe not a world of difference, but according to their descriptions, these options with the M-sport package are more than just cosmetic changes. Or maybe I'm just gullible and trying to make myself feel better....
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| shadow94 (656hp) | Quote: Originally posted by jdizzle27 Yes, now this is afterthought and beating a dead horse, but I think 19 wheels, dynamic damper control, adaptive ride and active roll stabilization should add a noticeable difference to maneuverability. Maybe not a world of difference, but according to their descriptions, these options with the M-sport package are more than just cosmetic changes. Or maybe I'm just gullible and trying to make myself feel better... There is often confusion here due to different markets. M-sport here in the UK (Europe) has a passive sports suspension system. You can opt for Adaptive Drive on most models, including M-sport. The United States has a whole host of different options. Excluding the “passive” M-sport suspension, it seems. The “Active” suspension you opt for will make the difference, it is not the same as the standard passive system. The 'Sport' setting is supposed to be similar in terms of 'handling stiffness', if that's the correct term (but different in feel because it's active), to the passive M-sport suspension. Does that make sense? HighlandPete
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| leroy123 (323hp) | My point is this: the M Sport has standard suspension with the see with the M Sport package, at least not in Europe..
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| reggaeton1 (218hp) | Quote: Posted by ClausCoupe My point is this: the M Sport has standard suspension with the X models. If you choose Adaptive Drive, it will be different, but not different from a model without M Sport... Adaptive Drive has nothing to do with the M Sport, at least not in Europe. Reading the OP's comments, he tested a 550xi with standard suspension, the passive system, no-trick suspension. An American 550xi model with the M-sport package (ZMP) includes Adaptive Drive, so it will be different. I hope I read it correctly... hence my comments. HighlandPete
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| percy (428hp) | I too will be coming from an E92 M3, although I in no way expect the same handling and performance as an M3, I think it's the closest thing when This is a sedan as a daily driver. But all these articles about leadership don't work for me. Has the M package just been released? does anyone own one with the M package on it?
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| josette (264hp) | Will I be disappointed? I've seen a few of you post about this (painful) transition, but it seems to have done it without much regret. I just tested a 550xi without the M-sport, and while the power was excellent, I found the suspension a little disappointing. Does the M-sport significantly change its character to make it comparable to an M3? Are those of you who have been to M-sport happy with the handling? I would consider the M5, but I need AWD. Besides, I want to take this step now. THANKS.
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| babygirl31 (796hp) | As you probably know, M3 is also not available in full version. M Sport does not change the handling at all. These are just cosmetic changes. I had the same problem and ordered the 550ix M Sport. I'm still waiting for it. The handling won't be like a 3 series or my old 535ix, but I'm sure I'll still enjoy the car. Gotta get over the lack of sporty feel I guess.
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| sexxxx (379hp) | I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but have you tried M Sport before saying it's only cosmetic. I thought it was more aggressive (reading other articles) than the more aggressive Sport+ mode with the dynamic suspension. I have 535d on order with M+M sport kit, so hoping it's not a sofa on wheels ))
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| 211279 (28hp) | I can't touch the twin-turbo until all the problems are resolved. I did this with the 335
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| HvqJvxVb76 (426hp) | I had the same dilemma a year ago when I traded in my C63 AMG for a Merc E550. Man, I hated the E550 and regretted the decision every day!!! After six months I sold the Merc and bought the BMW 550i. In sport mode and using the paddle shifters, handling is good and acceleration is correct. But it's a completely different experience than an M3 or a C63. You barely hear the engine noise, it's much harder to drift, and you'll never get better laps on track days again... That said, the 550i is the best car I've had for everyday use !!! Good luck
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| adi (31hp) | Quote: Originally posted by x5 '08 As you probably know, M3 is also not available in full version. M Sport does not change the handling at all. These are just cosmetic changes. I had the same problem and ordered the 550ix M Sport. I'm still waiting for it. The handling won't be like a 3 series or my old 535ix, but I'm sure I'll still enjoy the car. I have to get over the lack of sporting feel, I guess. Sorry you are wrong!! M-Sport MAKES a difference, quite a big one in my opinion, and I'm coming from the M3 E90 and looking forward to the 550i M-Sport too, I wouldn't buy another 5 series other than the M-Sport, it's is the closest thing to the M3 in general.
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| 30051984 (253hp) | There is no sports suspension on the M Sport package (on X cars), so how can it ride differently?
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| millerlite (744hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ClausCoupe There is no sports suspension on the M Sport package (on the X cars), so how can it ride any differently? I think the OP might well go for the M Sport if he thinks most people think it's an improvement over the STD suspension and handling..
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| plazma (554hp) | @ johnbmw6 I have no patience! I signed a contract and I think I will let you know at the end of next week. I know I'll miss the M again3...
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| ytpyf. (265hp) | In the United States, M-sport is only cosmetic. However, European models come with the sport suspension.
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| brokencyde (871hp) | Quote: Posted by jdizzle27 @johnbmw6 I have no patience! I signed a contract and I think I will let you know at the end of next week. I know I'll still miss the M3...I'm sure you'll enjoy the car for what it is and it's not an M3, but you'll drive a very fast and luxurious car..
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| nasreen (738hp) | If you don't like the 550, you can always go back to the M3 in 2014. The next generation M3.
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| louis14 (170hp) | Yes, now it's afterthought and beating a dead horse, but I think 19 wheels, dynamic damper control, adaptive ride and active roll stabilization should add a noticeable difference to the handling. Maybe not a world of difference, but according to their descriptions, these options with the M-sport package are more than just cosmetic changes. Or maybe I'm just gullible and trying to make myself feel better....
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| maggie04 (561hp) | Quote: Originally posted by jdizzle27 Yes, now this is afterthought and beating a dead horse, but I think 19 wheels, dynamic damper control, adaptive ride and active roll stabilization should add a noticeable difference to maneuverability. Maybe not a world of difference, but according to their descriptions, these options with the M-sport package are more than just cosmetic changes. Or maybe I'm just gullible and trying to make myself feel better... There is often confusion here due to different markets. M-sport here in the UK (Europe) has a passive sports suspension system. You can opt for Adaptive Drive on most models, including M-sport. The United States has a whole host of different options. Excluding the “passive” M-sport suspension, it seems. The “Active” suspension you opt for will make the difference, it is not the same as the standard passive system. The 'Sport' setting is supposed to be similar in terms of 'handling stiffness', if that's the correct term (but different in feel because it's active), to the passive M-sport suspension. Does that make sense? HighlandPete
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| 031181 (792hp) | My point is this: the M Sport has standard suspension with the see with the M Sport package, at least not in Europe..
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| 270992 (308hp) | Quote: Posted by ClausCoupe My point is this: the M Sport has standard suspension with the X models. If you choose Adaptive Drive, it will be different, but not different from a model without M Sport... Adaptive Drive has nothing to do with the M Sport, at least not in Europe. Reading the OP's comments, he tested a 550xi with standard suspension, the passive system, no-trick suspension. An American 550xi model with the M-sport package (ZMP) includes Adaptive Drive, so it will be different. I hope I read it correctly... hence my comments. HighlandPete
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| 28051982 (985hp) | I too will be coming from an E92 M3, although I in no way expect the same handling and performance as an M3, I think it's the closest thing when This is a sedan as a daily driver. But all these articles about leadership don't work for me. Has the M package just been released? does anyone own one with the M package on it?
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| cerulean (927hp) | Hello, I have a 530d M Sport on an extended test drive this weekend. The onboard computer showed 28 mpg when I picked it up and reset it. In the first few miles I did yesterday, I only managed 20 mpg! Today I drove a few more miles and it's up to 24 mpg. I keep the sport auto in sport mode (that's how I like it or it's too lazy) and I've been driving enthusiastically but it still seems a little low, doesn't it? THANKS
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| ///M KID (611hp) | In 535i, the car's consumption can vary considerably depending on how you drive. It can be really good or just ordinary. Secondly, consumption improves after the first thousand kilometers and improves. Third, stop and go traffic is the worst for consumption, even worse than sporty driving..
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| americano (24hp) | Quote: Originally posted by indus I have a 530d M Sport on an extended test drive this weekend. The onboard computer showed 28 mpg when I picked it up and reset it. In the first few miles I did yesterday, I only managed 20 mpg! Today I drove a few more miles and it's up to 24 mpg. I keep the sport auto in sport mode (that's how I like it or it's too lazy) and I've been driving enthusiastically but it still seems a little low, doesn't it? Thanks In a way, I answered your own question. You didn't say what mileage, or if you drove decent mileage at a constant speed. Surely if you play sports all the time you are using too high a rev, in a diesel, for good mpg. Additionally, you have blocked 8th gear. The last drive I took in an F10 530d, I reset the mpg and drove about 100 miles, was about 44 mpg when I got back to the garage. A bit better than my 330d tourng would be, for a similar journey. HighlandPete
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| chaotic1 (642hp) | Sorry, the car is a demonstrator so only has about 500 miles on it. It was mostly city driving, but quite spirited because I wanted to see what the engine was capable of. I was under the impression that these cars would produce decent mpg even if driven a little hard. The brochure didn't say 40+mpg but maybe 30? Does sport permanently block 8th gear or is it just sport+? The problem is that in the normal gearbox setting the whole car feels slow and lazy. I'm moving from an E60 M5 so I have to keep it in sport so that the can still has a little fun. THANKS
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| 31101991 (909hp) | Quote: Originally posted by indus Sorry, the car is a demonstrator so only has about 500 miles on it. It was mostly city driving, but quite spirited because I wanted to see what the engine was capable of. I was under the impression that these cars would produce decent mpg even if driven a little hard. The brochure didn't say 40+mpg but maybe 30? Does sport permanently block 8th gear or is it just sport+? The problem is that in the normal gearbox setting the whole car feels slow and lazy. I'm moving from an E60 M5 so I have to keep it in sport so that the can still has a little fun. Thanks, the engine will still be tight, it often takes over 5,000 miles to free a diesel. You're coming from the E60 M5 (I noticed) and maybe that's where part of the problem comes from. Sport locks 8th, can configure in i-Drive to not have the box in sport, but then you don't have the sport auto features. I don't see that you want that. Diesels are very economical with light throttle (forget the finer ED features and compare them to the official mpg figures) when driven hard. Diesel efficiency generally decreases with high RPM. I remember AutoCar tested the E60 535d, the test figure was just over 13 mpg. Yes 13mpg for a diesel. But AutoCar commented that the economy was exceptional (mid-30s) for performance, when driven sensibly. This puts things into perspective. HighlandPete
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| weingarm (245hp) | Thanks Pete. A few more questions please? 1) Does the mpg really improve when the engine is run more or is it just an urban myth? 2) One of my problems with operating the gearbox in normal mode is the effect on the steering, i.e. it feels too light. Is it possible to configure the car so that the steering is in "sport mode" but the gears shift "normally" 3) Since I am now seeing 26 mpg with my driving style, does that mean I might as well buy a 550i? (as opposed to the expected 535d) Or do we think if I drove the same way in the 550i I would see 15 mpg? The problem with my M5 is that no matter what you do, you'll never see more than about 20 mpg. At a constant 80 mph while cruising, I reset the computer once and the most I got was 24 mpg! My average for the M5 over three years has been 13 mpg, but that's 80 percent of city driving. Thanks for all the help
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| westside14 (505hp) | Quote: Originally posted by indus 1) Does the mpg really improve when the engine is run more or is it just an urban myth? 2) One of my problems with operating the gearbox in normal mode is the effect on the steering, i.e. it feels too light. Is it possible to configure the car so that the steering is in "sport mode" but the gears shift "normally" 3) Since I am now seeing 26 mpg with my driving style, does that mean I might as well buy a 550i? (as opposed to the expected 535d) Or do we think if I drove the same way in the 550i I would see 15 mpg? My average for the M5 over three years has been 13 mpg, but that's 80 percent of city driving. 1. It's not a myth, but some engines will work well from day one. Seems freer than others and doesn't improve much over time. I've had the experience where it goes well over 30,000 before the engine really comes to life and the mpg increases. So there is a wide gap, usually more than 5,000 miles, to perform at their best. 2. You can configure the chassis and/or transmission. 3. Your last comment tells me that the diesel will be better, but if it includes a lot of short trips with cold starts, or takes a long time to warm up (little load in stop-start driving), the advantage is not won't be as great as you might expect. But add a few long trips and you'll get a much better result. BTW, I noticed you posted on BMWLand, where there is a lot of experience with diesels. I haven't posted on your topic, but if there are different points discussed, I will join you. HighlandPete
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| raining (180hp) | Hello, I have a 530d M Sport on an extended test drive this weekend. The onboard computer showed 28 mpg when I picked it up and reset it. In the first few miles I did yesterday, I only managed 20 mpg! Today I drove a few more miles and it's up to 24 mpg. I keep the sport auto in sport mode (that's how I like it or it's too lazy) and I've been driving enthusiastically but it still seems a little low, doesn't it? THANKS
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| mason06 (92hp) | In 535i, the car's consumption can vary considerably depending on how you drive. It can be really good or just ordinary. Secondly, consumption improves after the first thousand kilometers and improves. Third, stop and go traffic is the worst for consumption, even worse than sporty driving..
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| butler (819hp) | Quote: Originally posted by indus I have a 530d M Sport on an extended test drive this weekend. The onboard computer showed 28 mpg when I picked it up and reset it. In the first few miles I did yesterday, I only managed 20 mpg! Today I drove a few more miles and it's up to 24 mpg. I keep the sport auto in sport mode (that's how I like it or it's too lazy) and I've been driving enthusiastically but it still seems a little low, doesn't it? Thanks In a way, I answered your own question. You didn't say what mileage, or if you drove decent mileage at a constant speed. Surely if you play sports all the time you are using too high a rev, in a diesel, for good mpg. Additionally, you have locked 8th gear. The last drive I took in an F10 530d, I reset the mpg and drove about 100 miles, was about 44 mpg when I got back to the garage. A bit better than my 330d tourng would be, for a similar journey. HighlandPete
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| firestar1 (292hp) | Sorry, the car is a demonstrator so only has about 500 miles on it. It was mostly city driving, but quite spirited because I wanted to see what the engine was capable of. I was under the impression that these cars would produce decent mpg even if driven a little hard. The brochure didn't say 40+mpg but maybe 30? Does sport permanently block 8th gear or is it just sport+? The problem is that in the normal gearbox setting the whole car feels slow and lazy. I'm moving from an E60 M5 so I have to keep it in sport so that the can still has a little fun. THANKS
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| kiss1234 (338hp) | Quote: Originally posted by indus Sorry, the car is a demonstrator so only has about 500 miles on it. It was mostly city driving, but quite spirited because I wanted to see what the engine was capable of. I was under the impression that these cars would produce decent mpg even if driven a little hard. The brochure didn't say 40+mpg but maybe 30? Does sport permanently block 8th gear or is it just sport+? The problem is that in the normal gearbox setting the whole car feels slow and lazy. I'm moving from an E60 M5 so I have to keep it in sport so that the can still has a little fun. Thanks, the engine will still be tight, it often takes over 5,000 miles to free a diesel. You're coming from the E60 M5 (I noticed) and maybe that's where part of the problem comes from. Sport locks 8th, can configure in i-Drive to not have the box in sport, but then you don't have the sport auto features. I don't see that you want that. Diesels are very economical with light throttle (forget the finer ED features and compare them to the official mpg figures) when driven hard. Diesel efficiency generally decreases with high RPM. I remember AutoCar tested the E60 535d, the test figure was just over 13 mpg. Yes 13mpg for a diesel. But AutoCar commented that the economy was exceptional (mid-30s) for performance, when driven sensibly. This puts things into perspective. HighlandPete
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| belize1 (271hp) | Thanks Pete. A few more questions please? 1) Does the mpg really improve when the engine is run more or is it just an urban myth? 2) One of my problems with operating the gearbox in normal mode is the effect on the steering, i.e. it feels too light. Is it possible to configure the car so that the steering is in "sport mode" but the gears shift "normally" 3) Since I am now seeing 26 mpg with my driving style, does that mean I might as well buy a 550i? (as opposed to the expected 535d) Or do we think if I drove the same way in the 550i I would see 15 mpg? The problem with my M5 is that no matter what you do, you'll never see more than about 20 mpg. At a constant 80 mph while cruising, I reset the computer once and the most I got was 24 mpg! My average for the M5 over three years has been 13 mpg, but that's 80 percent of city driving. Thanks for all the help
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| cambria (614hp) | Quote: Originally posted by indus 1) Does the mpg really improve when the engine is run more or is it just an urban myth? 2) One of my problems with operating the gearbox in normal mode is the effect on the steering, i.e. it feels too light. Is it possible to configure the car so that the steering is in "sport mode" but the gears shift "normally" 3) Since I am now seeing 26 mpg with my driving style, does that mean I might as well buy a 550i? (as opposed to the expected 535d) Or do we think if I drove the same way in the 550i I would see 15 mpg? My average for the M5 over three years has been 13 mpg, but that's 80 percent of city driving. 1. It's not a myth, but some engines will work well from day one. Seems freer than others and doesn't improve much over time. I've had the experience where it goes well over 30,000 before the engine really comes to life and the mpg increases. So there is a wide gap, usually more than 5,000 miles, to perform at their best. 2. You can configure the chassis and/or transmission. 3. Your last comment tells me that the diesel will be better, but if it includes a lot of short trips with cold starts, or takes a long time to warm up (little load in stop-start driving), the advantage is not won't be as great as you might expect. But add a few long trips and you'll get a much better result. BTW, I noticed you posted on BMWLand, where there is a lot of experience with diesels. I haven't posted on your topic, but if there are different points discussed, I will join you. HighlandPete
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| davidb (989hp) | Quote: Posted by juztinl =) 312 is growing on me. but i'm not sure about the ride quality on 20. what do you think?? By the way, I think my friend didn't know what tire size I was talking about, so yes, they should be over 2k. and is Dunlop Sp Sport good? The 312.... Are you aiming for gray or regular? I had friends who tried the Dunlop Z1*, very good tires. almost as good as the old BS S03. But very very noisy and didn't last a year....... I heard the Dunlop Sp Sport is even noisier than the Z1*?? But I had no personal experience and didn't bother to try.....
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| dadmin (557hp) | leaning towards normal because the car is in Sophisto Grey. I want contrast instead of going completely dark. anyone with 20 experience on Hong Kong roads?
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| samieh (28hp) | Thanks guys for this educational discussion (at least for me). I'm interested in the 331. If you can get a discount with a group purchase, count me in. For tires, I'm not going to follow it so I'm looking for a combination of comfort, price and durability. I had a set of Dunlop sport maxx but they didn't last very long..
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| simple2 (253hp) | Quote: Posted by mlai RC3, what tire models did you quote? I am interested to know as the prices of different models are very different even within the same brand.......I would appreciate if there was any pricing information on P Zero Nero/Rosso/Hero for the following sizes: 245/35R20 275/30R20. 285/30R20. I think the PS2s are about the same prices. However, Continental is currently doing a promotion on CSC2 (getting rid of stock?) and is about 25-30% cheaper than the PS2 and P Zero Hero...... I didn't ask in depth since my car won will not be delivered until November. Here's what I have (19 tires mixed 245/40F 275/35B): Advan sport $2.65k @ advxnshxp Ching Fung St P zero and Bridgestone Potenza both around $2.5k (didn't mention any particular model) @ Shxing Txk Tai Hung What I heard, the Tai Hung one usually gives good deals. This is where I was offered the Breyton Race GTP 19 for $3,650 per wheel. I don't know if the above is useful.
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| death6 (12hp) | Based on my experience with maximum performance tires from Bridgestone, Michellin, Goodyear and Pirelli, I would rank them: Road Grip 1) Bridgestone S and some REs are the stickiest. 2) The Pirellis are a little less sticky than the BS S and RE. 2) Michellins are tied with Pirellis 4) Goodyear F1 GSDS. Still excellent, just behind Michellin and Pirelli. Noise: 1) Michellins are the quietest. (PS2) 2) Pirellis (P Zeros) are quiet, very slightly worse than Michelins 3) Goodyear F1 GSDS. very close to Pirellis. 4) BS S and RE series. Loud as hell. Driving comfort. 1) Michelins, for some reason, are the most comfortable. I've been told that the PS2's sidewalls aren't as reinforced as others, which helps with comfort. 2) Pirellis, Bridgestone RE. 3) Bridgestone S and Goodyear F1 Treadwear. 1) Goodyear F1 lasts the longest, maintaining traction until the tires are 70% on the treads..... 2) Pirellis lasts second longest, but maintaining the best traction until only about 50% of the treads. 3) Michelins PS2 third. I think Michelin used different compounds in the inner and outer treads, which coupled with the softer sidewalls results in uneven tire wear. And you can't swap the inside side to the outside to even out the wear. So a bit of a waste. 4) Bridgestone S and RE. These are rubber erasers!!!! They almost always disappear within a year on my cars. Worse yet, they only maintain their best traction for the first 20% of tread life. Value for Money: 1) Surprisingly, Goodyear takes the crown in my books. very well rounded tires. If the Goodyears F1 offers 20 sizes, I would happily try them on my F10 first. But no dice. There are not 20 F1 cars here in Hong Kong. (Previously they only cost about 50-60% of what the Pirellis cost me) 2) Pirelli P Zeros. I was not disappointed with them. 3) Michelin. Well balanced but for me at least, they don't last as long as my P Zeros. Maybe just me. 4) Bridgestone S and RE. Although these are excellent performance tires, I simply cannot justify replacing them in less than a year, even with regular tire rotation......The above is just very subjective and only concerns my experience of these tires in Hong Kong. . YMMV. PS. Cars tested: 1996 SLK230, 2000 CLK320, 1996 C36, 2000 C43, 2005 C55, 2004 E.55.
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| kuldeep (196hp) | RC3, thank you very much. My turn to check them out.
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| cameron05 (944hp) | Quote: Originally posted by juztinl leaning towards regularity as the car is in Sophisto Grey. I want contrast instead of going completely dark. someone with 20 years of experience on the roads of Hong Kong? 20 would require 35F and 30B for F10. It's a fairly thin profile and comfort may suffer. And you have to be very careful when parallel parking, otherwise you risk scratching your rims. My wife, who is not a very good driver, will also drive my car. So that's the downside for me to get the 20.
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| 04011983 (919hp) | Quote: Originally posted by RC3 20 would require 35F and 30B for F10. It's a fairly thin profile and comfort may suffer. And you have to be very careful when parallel parking, otherwise you risk scratching your rims. My wife, who is not a very good driver, will also drive my car. So that's the downside for me to get the 20. Add to that 20 tires of the same make and model, it can cost 40-60% more than 19 tires.......
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| kerri (31hp) | It's very informative! thank you for your contribution. I still have trouble between 19' and 20'
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| 15253545 (733hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mlai In my experience with maximum performance tires from Bridgestone, Michellin, Goodyear and Pirelli, I would rank them: Road Grip 1) Bridgestone S and some REs are the stickiest. 2) The Pirellis are a little less sticky than the BS S and RE. 2) Michellins are tied with Pirellis 4) Goodyear F1 GSDS. Still excellent, just behind Michellin and Pirelli. Noise: 1) Michellins are the quietest. (PS2) 2) Pirellis (P Zeros) are quiet, very slightly worse than Michelins 3) Goodyear F1 GSDS. very close to Pirellis. 4) BS S and RE series. Loud as hell. Driving comfort. 1) Michelins, for some reason, are the most comfortable. I've been told that the PS2's sidewalls aren't as reinforced as others, which helps with comfort. 2) Pirellis, Bridgestone RE. 3) Bridgestone S and Goodyear F1 Treadwear. 1) Goodyear F1 lasts the longest, maintaining traction until the tires are 70% on the treads..... 2) Pirellis lasts second longest, but maintaining the best traction until only about 50% of the treads. 3) Michelins PS2 third. I think Michelin used different compounds in the inner and outer treads, which coupled with the softer sidewalls results in uneven tire wear. And you can't swap the inside side to the outside to even out the wear. So a bit of a waste. 4) Bridgestone S and RE. These are rubber erasers!!!! They almost always disappear within a year on my cars. Worse yet, they only maintain their best traction for the first 20% of tread life. Value for Money: 1) Surprisingly, Goodyear takes the crown in my books. very well rounded tires. If the Goodyears F1 offers 20 sizes, I would happily try them on my F10 first. But no dice. There are not 20 F1 cars here in Hong Kong. (Previously they only cost about 50-60% of what the Pirellis cost me) 2) Pirelli P Zeros. I was not disappointed with them. 3) Michelin. Well balanced but for me at least, they don't last as long as my P Zeros. Maybe just me. 4) Bridgestone S and RE. Although these are excellent performance tires, I simply cannot justify replacing them in less than a year, even with regular tire rotation......The above is just very subjective and only concerns my experience of these tires in Hong Kong. . YMMV. PS. Cars tested: 1996 SLK230, 2000 CLK320, 1996 C36, 2000 C43, 2005 C55, 2004 E55. mlai, this is a very useful share. Thanks a lot
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| 22121989 (851hp) | Thanks a lot for the info! Personally I love the look of the 312 but I think I'll stick with the 19 for the ride quality as the roads in Hong Kong are pretty brutal. Also my wife will drive this car a lot and the low profile 20 will be quite easy to scratch..
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| aikon (571hp) | Quote: Posted by mlai 1) Surprisingly, Goodyear takes the crown in my books. very well rounded tires. If the Goodyears F1 offers 20 sizes, I would happily try them on my F10 first. But no dice. There are not 20 F1 cars here in Hong Kong. (They used to only cost about 50-60% of what the Pirellis cost me) Do you know if the 19 is available?
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| nathan8 (388hp) | Sorry. I didn't ask for the 19 F1s. I think they are now called F1 Asymmetrics..... PS. Correction. the current generation is called F1 GS-D3
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| 04101980 (672hp) | ALL RIGHT. I left work early and did a little market research. I visited the store on Tsing Fung Street in Tin Hau. They suggested the custom Forgestar F14 20, HKD6K each. Very light. They also gave me an estimate for the P Zero (Hero) 245/35R20, 285/30R20 tire set for HKD17K. PS2s are the same price. I went to see Sh*ng T*k tires in Tai Hang. They offered the Breyton GTS silver 20 for HKD 4.7K each. They also quoted P Zero (Hero), same size as above, for 16.5K HKD. Same price for PS2 too. PS. There is also a set of HRE 20s in stock at Tai Hang. For all of you who are so inclined and have way too much money to spend, the sets of four HRE are ONLY HKD 50,000.......I think I'll stick to my guns BMW 356 wheels and the P Zero exchange package. ..... No money.....
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| olegv (824hp) | condemn. my girlfriend said 356 is the hottest among 356, 312 and 331. maybe she is a keeper.
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| smo (227hp) | juztinl, what are you going to do when you change girlfriends? Getting new wheels? And don't touch my 356 over there at the Wanchai store. I went there today and made sure they held it for me.
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| vtorder (387hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mlai I went to see Sh*ng T*k tires in Tai Hang. They offered the Breyton GTS silver 20 for HKD 4.7K each. They also quoted P Zero (Hero), same size as above, for 16.5K HKD. Same price for PS2 too. Compared to what this store offered me previously, Breyton GTP sliver 19 $3.65,000 each and P zero about $10,000, there is a big difference. I wonder if it's because of the 19 vs 20 or if the price went up (only a few weeks ago). If I get the 19 Breyton from Tai Hung store, $14.6k (rims) + $10k (tires) - 4k (17 stock trade) = $20.6k. This seems like a very good deal to me.
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| isabell (916hp) | Quote: Originally posted by RC3 Compared to this shop's quote to me previously, Breyton GTP sliver 19 $3.65k each and P zero around $10k, there is a big difference. I wonder if it's because of the 19 vs 20 or if the price went up (only a few weeks ago). If I get the 19 Breyton from Tai Hung store, $14.6k (rims) + $10k (tires) - 4k (17 stock trade) = $20.6k. This seems like a very good deal to me. I'm actually not surprised at the price difference, considering 19 will cost you an arm and a leg, but it's reasonable that 20 will cost you an arm and a leg.
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| bentley2 (828hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mlai juztinl, what will you do when you change girlfriends? Getting new wheels? And don't touch my 356 over there at the Wanchai store. I went there today and made sure they kept it for me, don't worry. i will probably get 331 19 to save money for my gf.lol btw. the store said it was out of stock. how long does it take them to order a set? the guy said it took a long time
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| flaquito (9hp) | Juztinl, if you can't wait and don't order by mail order, I found a store in the UK that can ship them to Hong Kong. Prices are equivalent to buying in Hong Kong. I will send you a private message on the site. PS. Will you consider the Forgestar F14? When I asked yesterday the guy told me they were custom made from the US but could arrive within a month as they air the wheels in Hong Kong once finished........
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| killmenow (496hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mlai Juztinl, If you can't wait and don't order by mail order, I found a store in the UK that can ship them to Hong Kong. Prices are equivalent to buying in Hong Kong. I will send you a private message on the site. PS. Will you consider the Forgestar F14? When I asked yesterday the guy told me they were custom made from the US but could arrive within a month as they air the wheels in Hong Kong once finished. ...... but, a clue on the price of Forgestar F14 19?
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| ah9999 (48hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mlai I'm actually not surprised at the price difference, given that 19 will cost you an arm, it's reasonable that 20 will cost you an arm and a leg. Yeah, I need that leg.
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| 3three (118hp) | Quote: Posted by juztinl =) 312 is growing on me. but i'm not sure about the ride quality on 20. what do you think?? By the way, I think my friend didn't know what tire size I was talking about, so yes, they should be over 2k. and is Dunlop Sp Sport good? The 312.... Are you aiming for gray or regular? I had friends who tried the Dunlop Z1*, very good tires. almost as good as the old BS S03. But very very noisy and didn't last a year....... I heard the Dunlop Sp Sport is even noisier than the Z1*?? But I had no personal experience and didn't bother to try.....
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| gabriel10 (349hp) | leaning towards normal because the car is in Sophisto Grey. I want contrast instead of going completely dark. anyone with 20 experience on Hong Kong roads?
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| sexxxx (687hp) | Thanks guys for this educational discussion (at least for me). I'm interested in the 331. If you can get a discount with a group purchase, count me in. For tires, I'm not going to follow it so I'm looking for a combination of comfort, price and durability. I had a set of Dunlop sport maxx but they didn't last very long..
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| wright (632hp) | Quote: Posted by mlai RC3, what tire models did you quote? I am interested to know as the prices of different models are very different even within the same brand.......I would appreciate if there was any pricing information on P Zero Nero/Rosso/Hero for the following sizes: 245/35R20 275/30R20. 285/30R20. I think the PS2s are about the same prices. However, Continental is currently doing a promotion on CSC2 (getting rid of stock?) and is about 25-30% cheaper than the PS2 and P Zero Hero...... I didn't ask in depth since my car won will not be delivered until November. Here's what I have (19 tires mixed 245/40F 275/35B): Advan sport $2.65k @ advxnshxp Ching Fung St P zero and Bridgestone Potenza both around $2.5k (didn't mention any particular model) @ Shxing Txk Tai Hung What I heard, the Tai Hung one usually gives good deals. It was here that I was offered the Breyton Race GTP 19 for $3,650 per wheel. I don't know if the above is useful.
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| romans12 (527hp) | Based on my experience with maximum performance tires from Bridgestone, Michellin, Goodyear and Pirelli, I would rank them: Road Grip 1) Bridgestone S and some REs are the stickiest. 2) The Pirellis are a little less sticky than the BS S and RE. 2) Michellins are tied with Pirellis 4) Goodyear F1 GSDS. Still excellent, just behind Michellin and Pirelli. Noise: 1) Michellins are the quietest. (PS2) 2) Pirellis (P Zeros) are quiet, very slightly worse than Michelins 3) Goodyear F1 GSDS. very close to Pirellis. 4) BS S and RE series. Loud as hell. Driving comfort. 1) Michelins, for some reason, are the most comfortable. I've been told that the PS2's sidewalls aren't as reinforced as others, which helps with comfort. 2) Pirellis, Bridgestone RE. 3) Bridgestone S and Goodyear F1 Treadwear. 1) Goodyear F1 lasts the longest, maintaining traction until the tires are 70% on the treads..... 2) Pirellis lasts second longest, but maintaining the best traction until only about 50% of the treads. 3) Michelins PS2 third. I think Michelin used different compounds in the inner and outer treads, which coupled with the softer sidewalls results in uneven tire wear. And you can't swap the inside side to the outside to even out the wear. So a bit of a waste. 4) Bridgestone S and RE. These are rubber erasers!!!! They almost always disappear within a year on my cars. Worse yet, they only maintain their best traction for the first 20% of tread life. Value for money: 1) Surprisingly, Goodyear takes the crown in my books. very well rounded tires. If the Goodyears F1 offers 20 sizes, I would happily try them on my F10 first. But no dice. There are not 20 F1 cars here in Hong Kong. (Previously they only cost about 50-60% of what the Pirellis cost me) 2) Pirelli P Zeros. I was not disappointed with them. 3) Michelin. Well balanced but for me at least, they don't last as long as my P Zeros. Maybe just me. 4) Bridgestone S and RE. Although these are excellent performance tires, I simply cannot justify replacing them in less than a year, even with regular tire rotation......The above is just very subjective and only concerns my experience of these tires in Hong Kong. . YMMV. PS. Cars tested: 1996 SLK230, 2000 CLK320, 1996 C36, 2000 C43, 2005 C55, 2004 E.55.
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| gwapo1 (186hp) | RC3, thank you very much. My turn to check them out.
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