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| babylon5 (751hp) | My steering is both quiet and straight ahead. September construction.
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| paddyrx8 (993hp) | Quote: Originally posted by indus I'm supposed to confirm my order this weekend for a 535d MS and I'm worried reading all these reports of vague steering at high speeds/squealing noise/pulling towards the right. Can some people here reassure me that this is not a widespread problem? Thanks No steering issues. It's slightly lighter than my 535d E61 but that's not a problem. (September build 535i F11 without active steering but with Adaptive Drive.) I find the turning radius a little wider than that of my E61 - probably because the F11's wheelbase is a little longer. While this isn't a big deal for me, perhaps active steering could help on this aspect - especially for those who regularly have to navigate narrow city streets, multi-storey car parks etc. ? Many British motoring magazines don't seem to like active steering very much, but it was the added complexity and therefore concern over potential unreliability in a few years' time that ruled this out for me..
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| hammad (26hp) | Quote: Originally posted by indus As an aside, can I ask how the IAS differs from the standard in terms of feel? Has anyone here compared an F10 with and without IAS? What were the differences? I have had no steering problems on my seven build 550 m sport with AIS. I have AIS and really love it. I drove two identically equipped vehicles, one with and one without AIS, back to back to a dealership before deciding. At low speeds and in tight places like a parking lot, this comes in really handy. It significantly improves the turning radius for U-turns. At high speeds, it makes lane changes and other rapid movements more agile. On winding roads with decreasing turning radii, the car feels smaller and more agile. My previous e60 did not have AIS. I drove two e60s back to back in 2008 and chose not to get it at the time. The F10's AIS is improved compared to what was offered on the last generation. The e60's AIS didn't have four-wheel steering, if I remember correctly.
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| indya123D (368hp) | Thanks guys. As a result of this thread (and further investigation I conducted based on it), I decided to also specify the IAS.!
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| myaccount1 (420hp) | I'm supposed to confirm my order this weekend for a 535d MS and I'm getting worried reading all these reports of vague steering at speed/squealing noise/pulling to the right. Can some people here reassure me that this is not a widespread problem? THANKS
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| 16041993 (514hp) | Quote: Originally posted by indus I'm supposed to confirm my order this weekend for a 535d MS and I'm worried reading all these reports of vague steering at high speeds/squealing noise/pulling towards the right. Can some people here reassure me that this is not a widespread problem? Thanks According to various posts on the BMW (Fora) forums, there appears to have been a problem on RWD cars built before September. This may not be a problem now. I have a 535i xDrive from September and I have no problems like this.
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| F10Jefe (2hp) | My car is built in April/May 2010 and I have never had any steering problems. I think the direction is pretty amazing. But I have Dynamic Drive Control and Integrated Active Steering, those probably have a lot to do with the steering feel in my car. You won't have any problem with the car drifting left or right either..
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| rich1068 (825hp) | August build 535i with no steering and/or noise issues. Reporting these issues needs to be put into perspective. I would guess that probably 90% of all 5 Series buyers never visit a BMW associated internet forum. The 10% who do this are a younger audience who repeat what they read in a magazine article or two and then notice a similar problem in their car. This is not to say that there are not valid issues, however, the forum amplifies all issues regardless of frequency..
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| 020496 (913hp) | My 550i is built in October. I ordered it with the Sport Pack and IAS. No steering issues. Very pleased with the combination of power, steering, handling and comfort.
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| arusha (96hp) | Don't worry, man. The people on these forums represent a small number of F10s in the world, albeit competent and passionate ones. It's a shitty shoot. Sometimes you'll get a gem, other times you'll get a turd, and most people will get something in between. Life is too short to worry about things like that.
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| Garduna (688hp) | No problem at all. The steering on my 535d (including IAS) is fantastic. But keep in mind that the F10 is indeed a big car. If you want that old-school BMW steering: get a series 1.
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| bulldogs5 (229hp) | My F10 523i is a July built with IAS. I have no steering problems. The management is fantastic. I drove the F10 without IAS and found the steering to be quite loose but I wouldn't consider this a steering issue..
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| coco1 (139hp) | My April/May F10 build has no steering issues. Great car.
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| annywka_86 (382hp) | My June 550i build with IAS is great and has no steering issues. With the SOP of September 2010, the piloting problems are resolved.
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| 168168168 (766hp) | Guys, it’s great to hear from you! One thing though, it seems that all the people who have spoken up here to say they have no problems also seem to have HAIs. I wasn't going to spec the IAS as I haven't managed to test a car with it. I had also read that the IAS had an artificial aspect. So does that mean having IAS, so how does it “protect” you from some of these steering issues that are floating around the web? As an aside, can I ask how the IAS differs from the standard in terms of how it feels? Has anyone here compared an F10 with and without IAS? What were the differences? Thanks again guys!
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| magomed (937hp) | I have the IAS and my car also pulls on the right 535 d F11 built in October
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| mkoesel (548hp) | Quote: Originally posted by algoodman Based on various posts on the BMW forums (Fora), there appears to have been a problem on RWD cars built before September. This may not be a problem now. I have a 535i xDrive from September and have no problems like this. Your “x” drive car is equipped with hydraulic steering. As far as I know this problem only affects cars with electric steering..
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| bobby101 (648hp) | Quote: Originally posted by wannes I have IAS and my car also pulls right 535 d F11 built in October Delivered in October or actually built in October? In the latter case, this means that you received the car in approximately 6 weeks.???
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| 092124 (540hp) | My 520d M Sport (Sport Auto), with the M Sport suspension, is great. This was construction in early October. No problem at all. As other commenters have said, you need to take these forums in perspective. The people who post here are, at one extreme or another, passionate about their vehicles, as such any issues/points of friction will be magnified. Also rest assured that if you are unfortunate enough to have a problem, you are buying from one of the highest quality mainstream automakers. As such, it is in their best interest to resolve any issues you encounter, in order to generate repeat business. I probably don't need to tell you this, but when you buy a car from BMW/Mercedes/Audi, you're buying a brand, not just a car. The manufacturer will have immense respect (and when I say respect, what I mean is dollar signs in their eyes) for the fact that you have owned a high performance car in the M5, and your 535d project M Sport - you are exactly the customer BMW wants to keep with both hands - and you should not hesitate to point this out to them if they are reluctant to accommodate your needs in any way. Cheers.
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| dark12321 (10hp) | I tested the F10 without IAS and the steering felt very light and detached. The F10 with IAS has a more weighted steering feel, especially at high speeds, and I don't think it's artificial as some have reported. Quote: Originally posted by indus Guys, great to hear from you! One thing though, it seems that all the people who have spoken up here to say they have no problems also seem to have HAIs. I wasn't going to spec the IAS as I haven't managed to test a car with it. I had also read that the IAS had an artificial aspect. So does that mean having IAS, so how does it “protect” you from some of these steering issues that are floating around the web? As an aside, can I ask how the IAS differs from the standard in terms of how it feels? Has anyone here compared an F10 with and without IAS? What were the differences? Thanks again guys!
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| exitos (174hp) | Thank you all, great and reassuring comments. Funnily enough, I almost didn't buy my M5 because there was plenty on the internet at the time about how awful the SMG gearbox was. I did well with it, although now, of course, it is obsolete. I took a 530d MS for a test drive and found the steering light in normal mode, but when you turned the sport box to sport mode it firmed up to an acceptable feel. I wonder if those who found the steering too loose have tried it with a car equipped with the sports auto gearbox? In any case, I feel reassured enough to continue my purchase and I will also now tick the IAS box
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| serali (567hp) | Quote: Originally posted by indus I had a 530d MS for a test drive and found the turn signal in normal mode, but when you turned the sport box to sport mode it firmed up to give an acceptable sensation. I wonder if those who found the steering too loose have tried it with a car equipped with the sports auto gearbox? I'm amazed by the Sport mode, it's very good as you implied - I think this is also the case on the standard Auto, not just the Auto Sports (I think the Auto Sports just gives the palettes extra - please correct me if I'm wrong with this one). I read on an article that in the 520d it would be like whipping a dead horse or something similar - but that's simply not true. Even in the poor man's 5-er (again, I feel something good coming), it transforms the feel of the car. It's nice to know that you're taking the plunge!
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| 060583 (25hp) | My steering is both quiet and straight ahead. September construction.
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| arielgl13 (161hp) | Quote: Originally posted by indus I'm supposed to confirm my order this weekend for a 535d MS and I'm worried reading all these reports of vague steering at high speeds/squealing noise/pulling towards the right. Can some people here reassure me that this is not a widespread problem? Thanks No steering issues. It's slightly lighter than my 535d E61 but that's not a problem. (September build 535i F11 without active steering but with Adaptive Drive.) I find the turning radius a little wider than that of my E61 - probably because the F11's wheelbase is a little longer. While this isn't a big deal for me, perhaps active steering could help on this aspect - especially for those who regularly have to navigate narrow city streets, multi-storey car parks etc. ? Many British motoring magazines don't seem to like active steering very much, but it was the added complexity and therefore concern over potential unreliability in a few years' time that ruled this out for me..
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| june2010 (403hp) | Quote: Originally posted by indus As an aside, can I ask how the IAS differs from the standard in terms of feel? Has anyone here compared an F10 with and without IAS? What were the differences? I have had no steering problems on my seven build 550 m sport with AIS. I have AIS and really love it. I drove two identically equipped vehicles, one with and one without AIS, back to back to a dealership before deciding. At low speeds and in tight places like a parking lot, this comes in really handy. It significantly improves the turning radius for U-turns. At high speeds, it makes lane changes and other rapid movements more agile. On winding roads with decreasing turning radii, the car feels smaller and more agile. My previous e60 did not have AIS. I drove two e60s back to back in 2008 and chose not to get it at the time. The F10's AIS is improved compared to what was offered on the last generation. The e60's AIS didn't have four-wheel steering, if I remember correctly.
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| 01121995 (91hp) | Thanks guys. As a result of this thread (and further investigation I conducted based on it), I decided to also specify the IAS.!
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| yahoo1234 (463hp) | I'm considering a stock/street night at the track and wondering what the best settings are for a good launch? Soprt plus mode or traction control disabled, sport mode with traction disabled?? Any advice would be appreciated!
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| mabait (182hp) | Is your car x-drive?.... I would say traction in sport mode is disabled
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| Ferrari (471hp) | Doesn't traction control automatically turn off on sport+? Honestly, I haven't really played with it, but I remember getting a warning that it was off.
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| maxim1 (791hp) | Sport+ mode will cause you to lose launch time due to excessive wheel spin. My recommendation would be sport mode with the transmission in S mode. check out this discussion: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=551946
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| skate69 (357hp) | Quote: Posted by jfiore13 Is your car x-drive?....I would say sport mode is off. It's not X Drive
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| 22061982 (757hp) | Quote: Originally posted by delvek Sport+ mode will cause you to lose launch time due to excessive wheel spin. My recommendation would be sport mode with the transmission in S mode. check out this thread: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=551946 Thanks Delvek, I'll take a look!
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| mulligan1 (700hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Delvek.... My recommendation would be sport mode with the transmission in S mode. ... +1 Also, deflate your tires a bit and remove everything you can from the car to reduce the weight.
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| brookie (766hp) | Sport+ worked for me when I ran my 12.960. I was only able to run 12.9 once. After lowering the car it seemed like it started slower...I guess because the rear didn't go down as much when accelerating. BTW, can you post a photo of your 3D front lip with the LTBMW addon. Deciding whether I should get it or not. Thanks man.
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| derenzy (988hp) | Quote: Originally posted by EBRSKIH Sport+ worked for me when I ran my 12.960. I was only able to run 12.9 once. After lowering the car it seemed like it started slower...I guess because the rear didn't go down as much when accelerating. BTW, can you post a photo of your 3D front lip with the LTBMW addon. Deciding whether I should get it or not. Thanks man. This helps a lot! I will try to post you a photo of the spoiler!
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| jws392 (739hp) | Sport and hold the pull button until it is completely off. Put it in 2nd and brake it, crank it !
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| 198328 (759hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Kjeronimo91 Sport and hold the pull button until it is completely off. Put the 2nd on and brake it, throw it! Will this create too much wheel spin??
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| Mans (25hp) | If so, crank at lower revs or step on the throttle a bit. Better than letting the car reduce fuel/traction time on you.
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| 050982 (516hp) | I'll try!!!
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| 1934 (718hp) | I'm considering a stock/street night at the track and wondering what the best settings are for a good launch? Soprt plus mode or traction control disabled, sport mode with traction disabled?? Any advice would be appreciated!
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| 332332 (960hp) | Is your car x-drive?.... I would say traction in sport mode is disabled
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| maddie11 (896hp) | Doesn't traction control automatically turn off on sport+? Honestly, I haven't really played with it, but I remember getting a warning that it was off.
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| redskins26 (212hp) | Sport+ mode will cause you to lose launch time due to excessive wheel spin. My recommendation would be sport mode with the transmission in S mode. check out this discussion: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=551946
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| iamcool2 (250hp) | Quote: Posted by jfiore13 Is your car x-drive?....I would say sport mode is off. It's not X Drive
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| derby (717hp) | Quote: Originally posted by delvek Sport+ mode will cause you to lose launch time due to excessive wheel spin. My recommendation would be sport mode with the transmission in S mode. check out this thread: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=551946 Thanks Delvek, I'll take a look!
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| 311088 (774hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Delvek.... My recommendation would be sport mode with the transmission in S mode. ... +1 Also, deflate your tires a bit and remove everything you can from the car to reduce the weight.
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| yomama12 (493hp) | Sport+ worked for me when I ran my 12.960. I was only able to run 12.9 once. After lowering the car it seemed like it started slower...I guess because the rear didn't go down as much when accelerating. BTW, can you post a photo of your 3D front lip with the LTBMW addon. Deciding whether I should get it or not. Thanks man.
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| u6kz2lppto (248hp) | Quote: Originally posted by EBRSKIH Sport+ worked for me when I ran my 12.960. I was only able to run 12.9 once. After lowering the car, it seemed like it started slower...I guess because the rear didn't go down as much when accelerating. BTW, can you post a photo of your 3D front lip with the LTBMW addon. Deciding whether I should get it or not. Thanks man. This helps a lot! I will try to post you a photo of the spoiler!
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| luckyman (412hp) | Sport and hold the pull button until it is completely off. Put it in 2nd and brake it, crank it !
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| pinklove (744hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Kjeronimo91 Sport and hold the pull button until it is completely off. Put the 2nd on and brake it, throw it! Will this create too much wheel spin??
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| nou (409hp) | If so, crank at lower revs or step on the throttle a bit. Better than letting the car reduce fuel/traction time on you.
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| kelly16 (424hp) | I'll try!!!
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| rambo12 (66hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Cove HOW: Activate Internet service (Internet via customer's mobile phone) on F10? I have activated the BMW ConnectedDrive account and I have the Internet option in the menu. But when I run it, I get a message that Internet service is not available in my country. How to activate this option, I would like to try? what are the settings of this ConnectedDrive??? THANKS
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| 110883 (885hp) | I have this problem periodically, so I think it has more to do with the phone service than the car or setup. I have sometimes been able to connect to the internet in my driveway, other times I get the same test message later in the same location, that's why I thought maybe the quality of the phone signal, in particular data, determines if you are able to connect. I guess you need 3G or 4G to get a good connection. I connect my iPhone 5 with a Lightning cable for music, but hands-free and data are via Bluetooth. My phone is usually in the center console armrest, which can reduce my data signal and prevent my car from connecting. If you get the "Try later" message, try checking that your phone has a good data connection and place it somewhere with good reception..
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| romanista (859hp) | Quote: Originally posted by misfitHERO How do I know if my car has the sa633/sa614 or sa644/sa614 option? Thank you Go to www.bmwarchive.org and submit your last 7 wines and you will be able to see your option codes.
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| serial (856hp) | hello, I am in Egypt and I bought the z 520i 2014 with the new idrive z...... and I did not find the z internet browser in the list of connected drives.... it is because I haven't activated the z code for the navigation system or it's something else.... and how can I get a code? do I trust cities via z Internet to buy a code online? or i need to upgrade or.....??? by the way, I don't have an online account, is it necessary.....if anyone can help me.....thanks
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| kendall2 (734hp) | Hello guys. I just bought a 525d F11 2011 in Germany, now I'm in Czech Republic and the car has this: S609A Navigation System Professional S7SPA Nav Professional/cellph. preparation. Bluetooth S612A BMW Assist S614A Internet, preparations S615A Extended BMW Online information S616A BMW Online S620A Voice control S633A Preparation, mobile phone, Business S6AAA BMW TeleServices S6ABA Control for teleservices S6VCA Control for Combox S8SCA Request for telematics access, spec. I can't get these functions to work online. I was trying to create a profile on the Connecteddrive website, but when I want to add a vehicle I received a message that the vehicle cannot be added. My idea is to control my car via a cell phone app (lock, preheat, etc.). Is this possible and how to fix it? At my local dealer, I don't know. THANKS.
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| pooter1 (847hp) | Quote: Originally posted by doctom @rubik I tried this, tethering works with a router connected to a PC via bluetooth. The car is connected to the Iphone, but even after updating the services there is still no option to transfer data via a Bluetooth device. Have you enabled ConnectedDrive? No improvement when it works
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| chastity (126hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Cove HOW: Activate Internet service (Internet via customer's mobile phone) on F10? I have activated the BMW ConnectedDrive account and I have the Internet option in the menu. But when I run it, I get a message that Internet service is not available in my country. How to activate this option, I would like to try? what are the settings of this ConnectedDrive??? THANKS
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| shimmer1 (699hp) | I have this problem periodically, so I think it has more to do with the phone service than the car or setup. I have sometimes been able to connect to the internet in my driveway, other times I get the same test message later in the same location, that's why I thought maybe the quality of the phone signal, in particular data, determines if you are able to connect. I guess you need 3G or 4G to get a good connection. I connect my iPhone 5 with a Lightning cable for music, but hands-free and data are via Bluetooth. My phone is usually in the center console armrest, which can reduce my data signal and prevent my car from connecting. If you get the "Try later" message, try checking that your phone has a good data connection and place it somewhere with good reception..
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| lailas (765hp) | Quote: Originally posted by misfitHERO How do I know if my car has the sa633/sa614 or sa644/sa614 option? Thank you Go to www.bmwarchive.org and submit your last 7 wines and you will be able to see your option codes.
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| yvonne12 (256hp) | hello, I am in Egypt and I bought the z 520i 2014 with the new idrive z...... and I did not find the z internet browser in the list of connected drives.... it is because I haven't activated the z code for the navigation system or it's something else.... and how can I get a code? do I trust the cities via z Internet to buy a code online? or i need to upgrade or.....??? by the way, I don't have an online account, is it necessary.....if anyone can help me.....thanks
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| 1234anna (414hp) | Hello guys. I just bought a 525d F11 2011 in Germany, now I'm in Czech Republic and the car has this: S609A Navigation System Professional S7SPA Nav Professional/cellph. preparation. Bluetooth S612A BMW Assist S614A Internet, preparations S615A Extended BMW Online information S616A BMW Online S620A Voice control S633A Preparation, mobile phone, Business S6AAA BMW TeleServices S6ABA Control for teleservices S6VCA Control for Combox S8SCA Request for telematics access, spec. I can't get these functions to work online. I was trying to create a profile on the Connecteddrive website, but when I want to add a vehicle, I received a message that the vehicle cannot be added. My idea is to control my car via a cell phone app (lock, preheat, etc.). Is this possible and how to fix it? At my local dealer, I don't know. THANKS.
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| branko (221hp) | Quote: Originally posted by doctom @rubik I tried this, tethering works with a router connected to a PC via bluetooth. The car is connected to the Iphone, but even after updating the services there is still no option to transfer data via a Bluetooth device. Have you enabled ConnectedDrive? No improvement when it works
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| cammy1 (924hp) | The premium audio system uses so much power that every time the volume is turned up, the start-stop function restarts the car while I'm at a red light. I guess that's the price I have to pay for high fidelity
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| righton1 (907hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The I guess that's the price I have to pay for high fidelity. Hmm... are you kidding? I've never experienced this in my car with Premium sound...:
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| jenny07 (896hp) | After a few days of driving around town, I received the message that the battery was almost empty. It's summer and hot weather. I'm starting to hate Start/Stop even more. How environmentally friendly is it to replace the battery very often because the car lets it discharge too much? ??
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| 963852741a (513hp) | I have the bounty and I haven't noticed it either. For the battery, I assume the system is set to charge when it reaches a certain point, not just when it discharges like it normally would. I wonder if starting by sotp is a big battery drain, so, I always assume that starting a car was a big (brief) drain. Maybe disabling shutdown/start will help things. I'd rather spend money on fuel than risk having a dead battery and getting stranded..
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| twisted (616hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The I guess that's the price I have to pay for high fidelity. Are you sure it's the stereo and not the outside temperature? Now that we are consistently above 80 degrees in the Northeast, the car will start from SS when I have the AC running and am at a stop light. It is designed to do this.
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| scirocco (430hp) | Quote: Posted by BigKutta Are you sure it's the stereo and not the outside temperature? Now that we are consistently above 80 degrees in the Northeast, the car will start from SS when I have the AC running and am at a stop light. It's designed to do that. The air conditioning is another big draw for the better quality, but I notice that when I turn on my radio the car starts more often. The audio system is rated at 600 watts, even if I only use 300 watts, that's still a big draw. Maybe I should just turn down the volume on my radio a little
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| TuRbO-FaNaTiC (477hp) | The premium audio system uses so much power that every time the volume is turned up, the start-stop function restarts the car while I'm at a red light. I guess that's the price I have to pay for high fidelity
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| stan (724hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The I guess that's the price I have to pay for high fidelity. Hmm... are you kidding? I've never experienced this in my car with Premium sound...:
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| 210280 (603hp) | After a few days of driving around town, I received the message that the battery was almost empty. It's summer and hot weather. I'm starting to hate Start/Stop even more. How environmentally friendly is it to replace the battery very often because the car lets it discharge too much? ??
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| saveme1 (917hp) | I have the bounty and I haven't noticed it either. For the battery, I assume the system is set to charge when it reaches a certain point, not just when it discharges like it normally would. I wonder if starting by sotp is a big (brief) drain on the battery, so, I always assume that starting a car was a big (brief) drain. Maybe disabling shutdown/start will help things. I'd rather spend money on fuel than risk having a dead battery and getting stranded..
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| 22091993 (199hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The I guess that's the price I have to pay for high fidelity. Are you sure it's the stereo and not the outside temperature? Now that we are consistently above 80 degrees in the Northeast, the car will start from SS when I have the AC running and am at a stop light. It is designed to do this.
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| Tritan84 (584hp) | Quote: Posted by BigKutta Are you sure it's the stereo and not the outside temperature? Now that we are consistently above 80 degrees in the Northeast, the car will start from SS when I have the AC running and am at a stop light. It's designed to do that. The air conditioning is another big draw for the better quality, but I notice that when I turn on my radio the car starts more often. The audio system is rated at 600 watts, even if I only use 300 watts, that's still a big draw. Maybe I should just turn down the volume on my radio a little
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| 211984 (362hp) | No IAS, absolutely perfect management
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| ruchika (775hp) | Quote: Originally posted by citrilla No IAS, absolutely perfect management Thanks
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| reesy_csl (850hp) | yeah, take IAS, don't live with regret like me
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| milligan (743hp) | I got the Euro back in October and had my 2011 535 in California for a week. I love this car but it squeaks when I turn and tend to the right. I'm taking it tomorrow but there doesn't seem to be any solution. If they don't fix this, I won't rest until they bring me the car that some, if you describe.
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| masamune (293hp) | I'm afraid you'll get into more trouble. I took European delivery of my 2011 550i in September and had a front suspension rattle that they can't explain or fix. The dealer told me that he had even discussed the problem with Germany earlier this week. Today I initiated litigation under the Massachusetts Lemon Law for new cars. This is totally unacceptable.
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| leolion (750hp) | No problem at all.
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| 091282 (487hp) | I'm sorry to hear it. I haven't heard of this problem but the one reported to me seems more common. I'm sure you'll win. Does BMW refuse to replace the car?
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| 12061982 (816hp) | 535xi October 9 version, non-sporting, no problem.
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| malinda (700hp) | I have an M Sport suspension and my steering is perfect. Yes, it is lighter than my old e90 but after 4 weeks, I got totally used to it..
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| 231082 (297hp) | I bought a 525d (RHD) in late 2010 with wobbly steering. You can easily turn the steering wheel an inch in either direction without any effect on the steering. After my previous model 730d (fantastic car) I became a BMW convert, but now I won't buy one again. I got it back after 4 weeks to have the steering checked because I couldn't pass a truck safely and the side winds from the highway pushed me into the next lane. My dealer (the main barons of BMW) gave the Arthur Daley speech, they all do this, sir, we couldn't find a fault, which means it's too expensive for us to repair it, we would rather you suffer from it. Well, I hate the car now, and my wife (not a good driver) just doesn't want to use it. So this is my last beemer... because they don't care. BMW=Joy? no way... my car is a lemon 40 000 £!
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| 1234567890k (559hp) | The only problem with mine is that it wants to drift to the left. Other than that, good (although not as good as my old e39 but that's another old debate!) Definitely takes some getting used to.
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| usuck (947hp) | Quote: Originally posted by paulwebb50 I bought a 525d (RHD) in late 2010 with wobbly steering. You can easily turn the steering wheel an inch in either direction without any effect on the steering. After my previous model 730d (fantastic car) I became a BMW convert, but now I won't buy one again. I got it back after 4 weeks to have the steering checked because I couldn't pass a truck safely and the side winds from the highway pushed me into the next lane. My dealer (the main barons of BMW) gave the Arthur Daley speech, they all do this, sir, we couldn't find a fault, which means it's too expensive for us to repair it, we would rather you suffer from it. Well, I hate the car now, and my wife (not a good driver) just doesn't want to use it. So this is my last beemer... because they don't care. BMW=Joy? no way... my car is a £40,000 lemon! If I had a BMW like that I would be on their backs...have you tried another dealership for a second opinion? I know the F10/11s have steering issues, may have different mid position sensitivities, but an inch in each direction and nothing? HighlandPete
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| 199615 (831hp) | Easily an inch in either direction... Did you drive the car like that for four weeks? Take it back to where it came from and have it repaired. Or stop hitting the bottle.
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| rudenko (570hp) | Quote: Posted by AP The only problem as such with mine is that it wants to drift to the left. Besides that, well (although it's not as good as my old e39 but that's another old debate!) it definitely takes some getting used to. This is one of the big problems to fix, and it's not an alignment to do, of course the car has to drive straight, don't you think?
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| 143441 (360hp) | Quote: Originally posted by paulwebb50 I bought a 525d (RHD) in late 2010 with wobbly steering. You can easily turn the steering wheel an inch in either direction without any effect on the steering. This is definitely not right and if your dealer tells you there is no problem you should take it elsewhere and write, in a calm and measured tone, to BMW UK. There are certainly problems with lack of feedback with the steering wheel in the straight position, but it reacts instantly to the slightest input and there is no play. This has already been widely discussed on the forum and doing a search will provide you lots of information on the subject.
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| 251288 (119hp) | No IAS, absolutely perfect management
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| wipeout (258hp) | Quote: Originally posted by citrilla No IAS, absolutely perfect management Thanks
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| iloveu01 (400hp) | yeah, take IAS, don't live with regret like me
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| 69chevelle (674hp) | I got the Euro back in October and had my 2011 535 in California for a week. I love this car but it squeaks when I turn and tend to the right. I'm taking it tomorrow but there doesn't seem to be any solution. If they don't fix this, I won't rest until they bring me the car that some, if you describe.
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| rockwell (250hp) | I'm afraid you'll get into more trouble. I took European delivery of my 2011 550i in September and had a front suspension rattle that they can't explain or fix. The dealer told me that he had even discussed the problem with Germany earlier this week. Today I initiated litigation under the Massachusetts Lemon Law for new cars. This is totally unacceptable.
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| samsung! (503hp) | No problem at all.
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| raine (216hp) | I'm sorry to hear it. I haven't heard of this problem but the one reported to me seems more common. I'm sure you'll win. Does BMW refuse to replace the car?
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| MikeTerp (933hp) | 535xi October 9 version, non-sporting, no problem.
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| 30101987 (587hp) | I have an M Sport suspension and my steering is perfect. Yes, it's lighter than my old e90 but after 4 weeks, I got totally used to it..
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| jasper3 (710hp) | I bought a 525d (RHD) in late 2010 with wobbly steering. You can easily turn the steering wheel an inch in either direction without any effect on the steering. After my previous model 730d (fantastic car) I became a BMW convert, but now I won't buy one again. I got it back after 4 weeks to have the steering checked because I couldn't pass a truck safely and the side winds from the highway pushed me into the next lane. My dealer (the main barons of BMW) gave the Arthur Daley speech, they all do this, sir, we couldn't find a fault, which means it's too expensive for us to repair it, we would rather you suffer from it. Well, I hate the car now, and my wife (not a good driver) just doesn't want to use it. So this is my last beemer... because they don't care. BMW=Joy? no way... my car is a lemon 40 000 £!
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| 990990 (210hp) | The only problem with mine is that it wants to drift to the left. Other than that, good (although not as good as my old e39 but that's another old debate!) Definitely takes some getting used to.
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| sarahm (784hp) | Quote: Originally posted by paulwebb50 I bought a 525d (RHD) in late 2010 with wobbly steering. You can easily turn the steering wheel an inch in either direction without any effect on the steering. After my previous model 730d (fantastic car) I became a BMW convert, but now I won't buy one again. I got it back after 4 weeks to have the steering checked because I couldn't pass a truck safely and the side winds from the highway pushed me into the next lane. My dealer (the main barons of BMW) gave the Arthur Daley speech, they all do this, sir, we couldn't find a fault, which means it's too expensive for us to fix it, we would rather you suffer from it. Well, I hate the car now, and my wife (not a good driver) just doesn't want to use it. So this is my last beemer... because they don't care. BMW=Joy? no way... my car is a £40,000 lemon! If I had a BMW like that I would be on my back...have you tried another dealership for a second opinion? I know the F10/11s have steering issues, may have different mid position sensitivities, but an inch in each direction and nothing? HighlandPete
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| 110095 (965hp) | Easily an inch in either direction... Did you drive the car like that for four weeks? Take it back to where it came from and have it repaired. Or stop hitting the bottle.
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| bigman2 (443hp) | Quote: Posted by AP The only problem as such with mine is that it wants to drift to the left. Besides that, well (although it's not as good as my old e39 but that's another old debate!) it definitely takes some getting used to. This is one of the big problems to fix, and it's not an alignment to do, of course the car has to drive straight, don't you think?
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| naadmin (852hp) | Quote: Originally posted by paulwebb50 I bought a 525d (RHD) in late 2010 with wobbly steering. You can easily turn the steering wheel an inch in either direction without any effect on the steering. This is definitely not right and if your dealer tells you there is no problem you should take it elsewhere and write, in a calm and measured tone, to BMW UK. There are certainly problems with lack of feedback with the steering wheel in the straight position, but it reacts instantly to the slightest input and there is no play. This has already been widely discussed on the forum and doing a search will provide you lots of information on the subject.
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| daffy1 (306hp) | I recently purchased a 2011 BMW 550i CPO, but over the past few weeks I have found things that make me wonder about the condition of the car before it was purchased by the dealer. We were told the car was an ex-company car - I assumed it was owned or driven by someone from their head office. The things I noticed were that the front and rear fascias were repainted, all the wheels were refinished (and not very well), the grilles were not seated properly in their openings and I discovered that Most of the tabs holding them were broken. The dead pedal which is stainless steel with rubber nubs sticking out is completely scratched, almost as if the guy wore sandpaper on the soles of his shoes. The car only had 18,000 miles on the odometer, but it appears to have had a rough life. I love the car, but I think some of this information should have been disclosed before selling the car. They showed me the CarFax and Expiration reports, but nothing was listed. If the repaints were on the reports - they made a big stink about a scratch I wanted fixed, they told me if they did any paint work they would have to report it to CarFax and Expirion. So why hasn't the previous work been reported? Do I have recourse? I used to put high end car dealers on a more scrupulous level, but as I can see they are all scheisters..
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| 270583 (172hp) | If the shop doesn't put the repairs in the system, CarFax won't show anything about the car, so it's important to double-check for any signs of repairs. Since it is CPO, you could request repair with warranty...
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| donskihv (242hp) | The company car doesn't mean much. You have assumed things, which is a no-no in buying used cars. A carfax contains a lot of important information, but it's not the Bible. Many, if not most, used cars have their bumpers repainted, but that doesn't mean they've been in an accident. This will never show up on a carfax. It is the buyer's responsibility to have a PPI (pre-purchase inspection) carried out by a third party. You have no recourse because the seller has done nothing wrong. CPO is a marketing tool with an extended limited warranty, not a guarantee of a perfect car. Chalk it up to lesson learned.
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| bulaklak (995hp) | Quote: Posted by gatoman39 Executive car means little. You have assumed things, which is a no-no in buying used cars. A carfax contains a lot of important information, but it's not the Bible. Many, if not most, used cars have their bumpers repainted, but that doesn't mean they've been in an accident. This will never show up on a carfax. It is the buyer's responsibility to have a PPI (pre-purchase inspection) carried out by a third party. You have no recourse because the seller has done nothing wrong. CPO is a marketing tool with an extended limited warranty, not a guarantee of a perfect car. Chalk it up to lesson learned. Lesson learned the hard way.
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| 123123qw (954hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Chili Palmer Lesson learned the hard way. Sorry to be so blunt, but you're not the first person this has happened to. Many people are pressed for time or let their emotional attachment cloud their rational decision-making. Additionally, dealers put pressure on people to complete the deal. I would say, get the little things fixed. Get a stainless steel dead pedal, adjust the grates and correct the wheels and you should be good to go.
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| Memphis1 (787hp) | I recently purchased a 2011 BMW 550i CPO, but over the past few weeks I have found things that make me wonder about the condition of the car before it was purchased by the dealer. We were told the car was an ex-company car - I assumed it was owned or driven by someone from their head office. The things I noticed were that the front and rear fascias were repainted, all the wheels were refinished (and not very well), the grilles were not seated properly in their openings and I discovered that Most of the tabs holding them were broken. The dead pedal which is stainless steel with rubber nubs sticking out is completely scratched, almost as if the guy wore sandpaper on the soles of his shoes. The car only had 18,000 miles on the odometer, but it appears to have had a rough life. I love the car, but I think some of this information should have been disclosed before selling the car. They showed me the CarFax and Expiration reports, but nothing was listed. If the repaints were on the reports - they made a big stink about a scratch I wanted fixed, they told me if they did any paint work they would have to report it to CarFax and Expirion. So why hasn't the previous work been reported? Do I have recourse? I used to put high end car dealers on a more scrupulous level, but as I can see they are all scheisters..
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| Carrozzeria (875hp) | If the shop doesn't put the repairs in the system, CarFax won't show anything about the car, so it's important to check for any signs of repairs. Since it is CPO, you could request repair with warranty...
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| 13261326 (450hp) | The company car doesn't mean much. You have assumed things, which is a no-no in buying used cars. A carfax contains a lot of important information, but it's not the Bible. Many, if not most, used cars have their bumpers repainted, but that doesn't mean they've been in an accident. This will never show up on a carfax. It is the buyer's responsibility to have a PPI (pre-purchase inspection) carried out by a third party. You have no recourse because the seller has done nothing wrong. CPO is a marketing tool with an extended limited warranty, not a guarantee of a perfect car. Chalk it up to lesson learned.
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| condom1 (406hp) | Quote: Posted by gatoman39 Executive car means little. You have assumed things, which is a no-no in buying used cars. A carfax contains a lot of important information, but it's not the Bible. Many, if not most, used cars have their bumpers repainted, but that doesn't mean they've been in an accident. This will never show up on a carfax. It is the buyer's responsibility to have a PPI (pre-purchase inspection) carried out by a third party. You have no recourse because the seller has done nothing wrong. CPO is a marketing tool with an extended limited warranty, not a guarantee of a perfect car. Chalk it up to lesson learned. Lesson learned the hard way.
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| Mark t (938hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Chili Palmer Lesson learned the hard way. Sorry to be so blunt, but you're not the first person this has happened to. Many people are pressed for time or let their emotional attachment cloud their rational decision-making. Additionally, dealers put pressure on people to complete the deal. I would say, get the little things fixed. Get a stainless steel dead pedal, adjust the grates and correct the wheels and you should be good.
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| michael34 (412hp) | I installed the 19 Run Flat, BUT my car came with Michelin Run Flats and they are very good and quiet..
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| wicked69 (162hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 1HOT BMR I don't know if you lose as much money as we lose here in the US when we sell a gently used car, but I would like to suggest you replace the RFTs with Michelin Super Sport (they just became available here in the US), have an alignment done and have the tech give it as much toe as possible within the spec called for, then drive it again. I'd bet you'll appreciate the steering much better and the handling issues will be resolved. The worst that can happen is you'll lose another $1,500 on top of what you lose when you sell the car - but think of all the money you'll save if you love it and keep the car. 19 M sports tires and rims? Oh yeah, I'll get spanked if I sell the car, now I have the 19 inch M sport tire/wheel package. I understand where you're coming from with your advice, I can also see how changing the RFT could greatly improve the ride and this "crash" I'm describing. But surely switching from RFT tires to regular tires won't improve the steering feel? Thank you for your contribution
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| baby44 (322hp) | Quote: Originally posted by indus Jon D I also disagree with your point that it has a great powertrain. The engine is very good of course but the gearbox is not very responsive. I remember posting this in a separate thread when I first bought the car and everyone criticized me for not taking it easy with the car LOL. Anyway, now that the car is broken in, I have the same problem. If I'm driving and suddenly want to move out of the lane I'm in, I step on the accelerator and nothing happens for what seems like forever. Sure, it's about a second, but it's enough to make me feel like the maneuver is dangerous and undermine my confidence. In the same way, if I approach a roundabout at low speed, I see that there is a car coming some distance to my right, I give it a good throttle, once again, it takes too long to downshift, causing me to enter the roundabout slowly. . Result: the car on the right must brake. If my car had broken down earlier, I could have made it without disturbing the other driver. The result? I drive slower and look more like an old man because it's important to me to be a considerate and safe driver. Why don't I use the Flappy palettes you might ask? Personally I think it's a waste of time in a diesel car. The rev range being what it is in a diesel means you will be changing gear every 3 seconds in city driving, it's too complicated. Worked well in the M5, but it had a huge rev range. Try it in sport+, it will take your breath away and give you a huge smile. There is no lag, just instant response.
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| kyle22 (766hp) | Quote: Posted by indus Are you kidding me? I have IAS and it is not tight and has no feedback. With the sports car in “normal” setting, it’s diabolical. In a sporting context, the situation improves a little, but is still bad enough to mean that anything approaching "spirited" or "sporty" driving is a no no. This was confirmed in the Top Gear review - ....avoid the four-wheel active steering option, better handling in parking lots is replaced by much worse feel and precision on B-roads..
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