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| justice123 (517hp) | Retrofitsource has a much better price. They will have to be special ordered as they do not normally carry the D1S version. Note: Reason they are cheaper...they come packaged in a retail box.
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| 10041988 (414hp) | So how do you place a special order with them? What is their best price? How is the retail box different and does it matter?
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| candy24 (330hp) | go to the site and email the seller (Matt) of the type of bulb you want and he will respond with price, shipping, payment information, etc. I asked the price last year and remembered it was around $200 for a set of 2. The bulb he gets is bulk so no retail box. you can also ask him about any product differences to confirm. http://www.theretrofitsource.com/
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| bodrum (260hp) | I will try, thanks for all the help.
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| corrie1 (85hp) | I intend to replace the original bi-xenon headlight bulbs with the Osram CBI 5000K bulbs, apparently they offer a more whitish light compared to the warm light of the original bulbs. Since I'm going to order them online, I figured I'd buy matching fog light bulbs at the same time and save on shipping. Can anyone confirm the specific bulb (with a link to the website, if possible) for the fog lights that would most closely match the Osram bulbs, appearance-wise? This is for a non-M-sport F10. I tried searching the forum but most results are about matching the fog lights to the stock bulbs, not the Osram bulb..
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| babygirl30 (513hp) | Almost impossible to match the CBI xenon bulb. The closer will use the HID kit for fog. There are replacement halogen bulbs 5000K and above that claim to be a perfect match...trust me, I've tried most of them and they aren't even close. An example is Philips Diamond Vision 5000k. In fact, it's more purplish when reflected off the fog light housing. I have Osram Cbi and use Piaa plasma yellow ion. I am currently considering replacing the halogen fog with an LED fog. I'm just waiting for the price to drop a bit. He's the best correspondent for the cbi... in my opinion. http://www.tmtuning.com/HOME/catalog...t_product=2789 I don't know where you go to get your CBI, but I bought mine on powerbulbs.com and use the promo code hidplanet to get 15% off. Shipping costs are included in the price.
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| cuddles123 (2hp) | Thanks for the info. Ouch, $400 for fogs? But I guess it's not just the bulbs but the whole assembly. Do these TM Tuning lights fit the F10 bumper without any modification? Does anyone here have direct experience? So what you're saying is that any 5000K bulb won't be enough to match the CBI bulbs? Are fogs normal halogens?
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| 311094 (388hp) | I also tried to experiment with this. I tried the 5000K HID from the DDM setting and it is whiter and bluer than the one from the CBI. Right now I have Philips Diamond Vision and although close it is still a bit bluer than the CBI one. I wonder if the Philips Crystal Vision ones will be closer.
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| SchlauCow (49hp) | Philips Crystal will be more yellowish. I also had this bulb... on my E60 a long time ago.
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| sept14 (481hp) | It all depends on how picky you are. I know the LED fog would most likely match the CBI. But if you're not picky, try Diamond vision to judge yourself. By the way, the LED fog is the complete set with ballast. Just like the HID kit with ballast too. At least this LED fog is made in Germany (made by Nolden who supplied various aftermarket tuners as well as European car manufacturers). $400 is already a discounted price. When it was released about a year and a half ago, it sold for $600. Since then, it has fallen significantly. It goes on sale approximately every 4 months. The cheapest was $299 and the regular sale is $349 ($50 off). Quote: Posted by darrko Thanks for the info. Ouch, $400 for fogs? But I guess it's not just the bulbs but the whole assembly. Do these TM Tuning lights fit the F10 bumper without any modification? Does anyone here have direct experience? So what you're saying is that any 5000K bulb won't be enough to match the CBI bulbs? Are fogs normal halogens?
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| 1379 (815hp) | Any information on their integration into the F bumper10?
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| 09051989 (357hp) | I am currently awaiting delivery of the Osram CBI D1S bulbs, and the purchase includes a free pair of Osram W5W side bulbs. Are they compatible with the F10?
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| smile4 (842hp) | the side light bulb is not compatible.
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| columbus (367hp) | Very good, cool, thank you.
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| godis1 (930hp) | I was told the GP Thunder 7500s were cool. I don't know much about these, but when I saw them in person they looked pretty nice.!
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| rebecca10 (676hp) | Is D1S size for all xenon setups for the F10?
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| bimmasss (890hp) | http://www.theretrofitsource.com/pro...oducts_id=3179 $75 for a pair and it comes with a 5 year warranty? Does anyone have any experience with these?
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| nad123 (116hp) | Quote: Originally posted by EBRSKIH Is the D1S size suitable for all xenon configurations of the F10? I would think so. As far as I know, the fog light bulbs are different between M-sport (H11/55w) and non-M-sport (H8/35w) models but the headlights are the same. Can anyone confirm if MotiveMods is a reliable source for purchasing Osram CBI D1S bulbs? Additionally, what is the difference between CBI and CBI Xenarc? http://www.motivemods.com/OSRAM-Cool...sr-cbi-d1s.htm
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| begood (375hp) | Retrofitsource has a much better price. They will have to be special ordered as they do not normally carry the D1S version. Note: Reason they are cheaper...they come packaged in a retail box.
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| ICBMW (569hp) | So how do you place a special order with them? What is their best price? How is the retail box different and does it matter?
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| alexis04 (590hp) | go to the site and email the seller (Matt) of the type of bulb you want and he will respond with price, shipping, payment information, etc. I asked the price last year and remembered it was around $200 for a set of 2. The bulb he gets is bulk so no retail box. you can also ask him about any product differences to confirm. http://www.theretrofitsource.com/
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| chinenye (122hp) | I will try, thanks for all the help.
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| pass4word (966hp) | Quote: Posted by tim-atl It's really no longer a mystery. If your VIR (order sheet) says 6WA you are getting the full black panel, if it doesn't you are not. I don't see 6WA on my VIR, so maybe I'm out of luck. So the Black Panel technology listed as standard equipment in the product brochure is incorrect? I ordered a 550 xdrive without HUD, but I thought I had BPD...
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| help911 (722hp) | We just got back to the dealership, even though it's Sunday you can walk around while looking at the cars. They had a delivery on Friday, a new 550 and two new 535s. The 550 had a HUD and of course the extended black panel. Both 535s did not have a HUD and did not have the new panel. It was completely blackened. It looked good. The tires of both M Sports had Goodyear LS2.
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| missy01 (936hp) | The mystery wasn't who got the expanded content sign, but rather what the expanded content sign meant. IAC, this mystery has apparently been solved, a US poster on another map took a photo of the dashboard of his HUD equipped 550i and it appears that the panel actually turns off when turned off.
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| i_love_you (186hp) | Quote: Originally posted by nlk10010 The mystery wasn't who gets the expanded content panel, but rather what an expanded content panel means. IAC, this mystery has apparently been solved, a US poster on another map took a photo of the dashboard of his HUD equipped 550i and it appears that the panel actually turns off when turned off. I saw these photos and indeed, the panel I saw today on a 550 with M sport equipped with a HUD was surely blackened..
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| eeeboy (83hp) | Full black panel display is not yet standard in Canada. I just visited the dealer lot to see the new 535 and 550M delivered. 550M had HUD and FBP. 535 had white gauges and a standard panel. It was 8 weeks depending on the wines.
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| 197411 (877hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Kayman All-black panel display is not yet standard in Canada. I just visited the dealer lot to see the new 535 and 550M delivered. 550M had HUD and FBP. 535 had white gauges and a standard panel. These were 8 weeks depending on the wines. This looks exactly like what I saw today. The blackout panel looked good on the 550 M sport with HUD. I have one on order, the 3rd week of May that's what the dealer tells me for arrival. I think the only thing I'm not sure about yet is whether or not the HUD will be the color version..
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| BMWisFRIEND (205hp) | Dear Canucks, From my recollection of the Canadian bulletin, all series of 5 produced from week 9 onwards will have an extended panel. Did any of you read differently? I don't think 535 vs 550 or m-sport vs non-m-sport has anything to do with it. I guess some of the week 8 builds got it, but it's only guaranteed from the week 9 built cars. Kayman - did you buy from Budds? I purchased from BMW Autohaus in Thornhill. Jeremiah
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| 11111118 (767hp) | Yes Jeremy, I bought from Budds. Pick it up Tuesday. Invisible view, so maybe I'll get a nice surprise, but nothing other than the HUD on the last 2 batches has FBP and an improved display.
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| travel88 (60hp) | Quote: Posted by Kayman Yes Jeremy, I purchased from Budds. Pick it up Tuesday. Invisible sight, so maybe I'll get a nice surprise, but nothing other than the HUD on the last 2 shipments lot has FBP and an improved display. My experience is the same, only the ones I've seen with the FBP also have a HUD. I guess we'll know for sure soon.
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| Conzo427 (627hp) | Any news on whether the HUD is the color version? I seem to remember BMW's Canadian bulletin stating that all March production HUDS would be colored - but an article on bimmerfest reveals that at least one March production car in the US is NOT of color..
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| shakur1 (761hp) | Quote: Posted by jer38lms Any news on if the HUD is the color version? I seem to remember BMW's Canadian bulletin stating that all March production HUDS would be colored - but an article on bimmerfest reveals that at least one March production car in the US is NOT of color. The week 9 (March) builds with HUD are actually in color, in Canada anyway. I'm not sure about us.
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| amadeus (26hp) | Paul, can you confirm this based on your personal experience – have you seen it? If so, then that's great - and a little strange that Canadians have options that Americans don't..
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| milenka (851hp) | I took delivery of my car yesterday. I can confirm that the US specs of the 12 week version feature a blacked-out dashboard with white numbering during the day and orange at night. It also has the color panel. It's being detailed at the moment, but I should be able to post photos of it soon..
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| 130589 (827hp) | Congratulations Delvek, I also took delivery of mine yesterday (I will post photos soon). I can confirm that the week 9 version includes 6WA, 6NR and Color HUD AW, 550i, Msport, Oyster, all options except rear entertainment and adaptive cruise..
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| liezel (226hp) | Waiting for HUD photos! What tires did you use? Quote: Originally posted by Mtechnique Congratulations delvek I also took delivery of mine yesterday (will post pics soon) I can confirm that the week 9 build has 6WA, 6NR and Color HUD AW, 550i, Msport, Oyster, all options except rear entertainment and adaptive Cruise.
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| 12031989 (285hp) | And unfortunately, I can confirm that a Week 8 release without a HUD did not come with at least the upgraded display. Still happy with the car.
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| Competition C (765hp) | Another happy event... Michelin Primacy
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| marche (282hp) | Quote: Posted by Mtechnique Another happy event.. Michelin Primacy Thank you Mtech, congratulations to you too! It should be ready late tonight, I can't wait. It's funny, I was at the swissvax center and I was looking at my car last night and I took a photo of the tires so I could research them but the photo I took is not good, now I can examine them! I noticed that they are made in Italy. Do you think mine were Michelin Primacy HP...? I gather from your answer that you know these are good tires.
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| 160160 (272hp) | Quote: Originally posted by delvek Thanks Mtech, congratulations to you too! It should be ready late tonight, I can't wait. It's funny, I was at the swissvax center and I was looking at my car last night and I took a photo of the tires so I could research them but the photo I took is not good, now I can examine them! I noticed that they are made in Italy. Do you think mine were Michelin Primacy HP...? I gather from your answer that you know these are good tires. Yes much better than the old Goodyears No reports of blistering and premature wear!
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| f10inSD (646hp) | Lucky you with Michelins, mine came with Goodyear LS2. I wonder if this is due to the X factor that now determines who is lucky and who is not?..
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| 131072 (45hp) | Quote: Posted by Kayman Good thing you came with mine Michelins with Goodyear LS2. I wonder if this is due to the X factor that now determines who is "lucky" or not. Are Michelins much better than Goodyears? I was thinking of taking the Goodyears, but I have the HP ZP of the Michelin Primacy
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| britney123 (371hp) | The extended black panel poses some problems in low late sunlight. Reflection makes the speed of the reed impossible. Does anyone have the same problem ?
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| 240187 (129hp) | Quote: Posted by tim-atl It's really no longer a mystery. If your VIR (order sheet) says 6WA you are getting the full black panel, if it doesn't you are not. I don't see 6WA on my VIR, so maybe I'm out of luck. So the Black Panel technology listed as standard equipment in the product brochure is incorrect? I ordered a 550 xdrive without HUD, but I thought I had BPD...
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| mickie1 (150hp) | We just got back to the dealership, even though it's Sunday you can walk around while looking at the cars. They had a delivery on Friday, a new 550 and two new 535s. The 550 had a HUD and of course the extended black panel. Both 535s did not have a HUD and did not have the new panel. It was completely blackened. It looked good. The tires of both M Sports had Goodyear LS2.
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| 1w1w1w (331hp) | The mystery wasn't who got the expanded content sign, but rather what the expanded content sign meant. IAC, this mystery has apparently been solved, a US poster on another map took a photo of the dashboard of his HUD equipped 550i and it appears that the panel actually turns off when turned off.
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| naomi123 (619hp) | Quote: Originally posted by nlk10010 The mystery wasn't who gets the expanded content panel, but rather what an expanded content panel means. IAC, this mystery has apparently been solved, a US poster on another map took a photo of the dashboard of his HUD equipped 550i and it appears that the panel actually turns off when turned off. I saw these photos and indeed, the panel I saw today on a 550 with M sport equipped with a HUD was surely blackened..
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| partner1 (753hp) | Full black panel display is not yet standard in Canada. I just visited the dealer lot to see the new 535 and 550M delivered. 550M had HUD and FBP. 535 had white gauges and a standard panel. It was 8 weeks depending on the wines.
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| coolcats (498hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Kayman All-black panel display is not yet standard in Canada. I just visited the dealer lot to see the new 535 and 550M delivered. 550M had HUD and FBP. 535 had white gauges and a standard panel. These were 8 weeks depending on the wines. This looks exactly like what I saw today. The blackout panel looked good on the 550 M sport with HUD. I have one on order, the 3rd week of May that's what the dealer tells me for arrival. I think the only thing I'm not sure about yet is whether or not the HUD will be the color version..
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| 240685 (363hp) | Dear Canucks, From my recollection of the Canadian bulletin, all series of 5 produced from week 9 onwards will have an extended panel. Did any of you read differently? I don't think 535 vs 550 or m-sport vs non-m-sport has anything to do with it. I guess some of the week 8 builds got it, but it's only guaranteed from the week 9 built cars. Kayman - did you buy from Budds? I purchased from BMW Autohaus in Thornhill. Jeremiah
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| bartosz (204hp) | Yes Jeremy, I bought from Budds. Pick it up Tuesday. Invisible view, so maybe I'll get a nice surprise, but nothing other than the HUD on the last 2 batches has FBP and an improved display.
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| 02111983 (9hp) | Quote: Posted by Kayman Yes Jeremy, I purchased from Budds. Pick it up Tuesday. Invisible sight, so maybe I'll get a nice surprise, but nothing other than the HUD on the last 2 shipments lot has FBP and an improved display. My experience is the same, only the ones I've seen with the FBP also have a HUD. I guess we'll know for sure soon.
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| cgi-3 (618hp) | Any news on whether the HUD is the color version? I seem to remember BMW's Canadian bulletin stating that all March production HUDS would be colored - but an article on bimmerfest reveals that at least one March production car in the US is NOT of color..
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| juana (238hp) | Quote: Posted by jer38lms Any news on if the HUD is the color version? I seem to remember BMW's Canadian bulletin stating that all March production HUDS would be colored - but an article on bimmerfest reveals that at least one March production car in the US is NOT of color. The week 9 (March) builds with HUD are actually in color, in Canada anyway. I'm not sure about us.
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| kingsway (748hp) | Paul, can you confirm this based on your personal experience – have you seen it? If so, then that's great - and a little strange that Canadians have options that Americans don't..
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| princesa12 (774hp) | I took delivery of my car yesterday. I can confirm that the US specs of the 12 week version feature a blacked-out dashboard with white numbering during the day and orange at night. It also has the color panel. This is getting detailed right now but I should be able to post photos soon.
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| 21121989 (628hp) | Congratulations Delvek, I also took delivery of mine yesterday (I will post photos soon). I can confirm that the week 9 version includes 6WA, 6NR and Color HUD AW, 550i, Msport, Oyster, all options except rear entertainment and adaptive cruise..
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| verify (199hp) | Waiting for HUD photos! What tires did you use? Quote: Originally posted by Mtechnique Congratulations delvek I also took delivery of mine yesterday (will post pics soon) I can confirm that the week 9 build has 6WA, 6NR and Color HUD AW, 550i, Msport, Oyster, all options except rear entertainment and adaptive Cruise.
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| ianian (191hp) | And unfortunately, I can confirm that a Week 8 release without a HUD did not come with at least the upgraded display. Still happy with the car.
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| 27041990 (19hp) | Another happy event. Michelin Primacy
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| dogfight (503hp) | Quote: Posted by Mtechnique Another happy event.. Michelin Primacy Thank you Mtech, congratulations to you too! It should be ready late tonight, I can't wait. It's funny, I was at the swissvax center and I was looking at my car last night and I took a photo of the tires so I could research them but the photo I took is not good, now I can examine them! I noticed that they are made in Italy. Do you think mine were Michelin Primacy HP...? I gather from your answer that you know these are good tires.
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| saverio (838hp) | Quote: Originally posted by delvek Thanks Mtech, congratulations to you too! It should be ready late tonight, I can't wait. It's funny, I was at the swissvax center and I was looking at my car last night and I took a photo of the tires so I could research them but the photo I took is not good, now I can examine them! I noticed that they are made in Italy. Do you think mine were Michelin Primacy HP...? I gather from your answer that you know these are good tires. Yes much better than the old Goodyears No reports of blistering and premature wear!
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| chitown (390hp) | Lucky you with Michelins, mine came with Goodyear LS2. I wonder if this is due to the X factor that now determines who is lucky and who is not?..
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| ralphie1 (610hp) | Quote: Posted by Kayman Good thing you came with mine Michelins with Goodyear LS2. I wonder if this is due to the X factor that now determines who is "lucky" or not. Are Michelins much better than Goodyears? I was thinking of taking the Goodyears, but I have the HP ZP of the Michelin Primacy
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| sivakumar (311hp) | The extended black panel poses some problems in low late sunlight. Reflection makes the speed of the reed impossible. Does anyone have the same problem ?
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| lklklk (465hp) | Quote: Originally posted by kc1953 I gave my son my 1994 740i. He seems pretty happy with it. hey, it's still a BMW lol better than the Honda Civic or VW that most kids drive.
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| nokia5320 (788hp) | I want to like the A6, but the interior switchgear feels too cheap, the buttons and controls are too small for my hands, and the layout is too messy. I need a cohesive interior layout which is why my purchase of a 5 series - E350 and A6 was purchased but I didn't have it.
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| sayang2 (663hp) | Quote: Originally posted by matt44228 It's a perfect balance of luxury and speed, that's what I like (and I'm only 19) and I think the 5 series stands out more than the a6. Iv turned more heads with the 535 than one of my friends did with his a7. I don't know where you are, but where I live there are so many BMWs that no one looks at them anymore
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| 100887 (364hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The X Men I'm not sure where you are, but where I live there are so many BMWs that no one looks at them anymore. I know the same thing here, but when you go out and drive in a brand new 5 series it's definitely going to attract attention. (The 5 series isn't as common yet so that's why people are still watching, unlike the 3 series that I see on every corner. Or the last generation 5 series)
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| sif30 (160hp) | Quote: Originally posted by matt44228 It's a perfect balance of luxury and speed, that's what I like (and I'm only 19) and I think the 5 series stands out more than the a6. Iv turned more heads with the 535 than one of my friends did with his a7. Does your friend's A7 have the prestige pack? The Prestige Pack body kit makes the A7 look much better. Your buddy is a lucky man, the A7 is as good a car as it gets. The sports back design and the lines are almost perfect. I wanted an A7 when I was car shopping last year, but I couldn't justify the $8,000 extra over the A6. The 5 Series is also a nice car, but it looks too much like the F30. I stood next to an F10 at the dealership last weekend and thought it was an F30. I can tell you one thing: if I end up buying the 535xi, it won't be for the looks. I think the A5, A6 and A7 are the best in this department. The reason I'm considering the 5 Series is the quieter ride and more solid feel..
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| babyboy07 (773hp) | Quote: Posted by The X Men Does your boyfriend's A7 have the prestige package? The Prestige Pack body kit makes the A7 look much better. Your buddy is a lucky man, the A7 is as good a car as it gets. The sports back design and the lines are almost perfect. I wanted an A7 when I was car shopping last year, but I couldn't justify the $8,000 extra over the A6. The 5 Series is also a nice car, but it looks too much like the F30. I stood next to an F10 at the dealership last weekend and thought it was an F30. I can tell you one thing: if I end up buying the 535xi, it won't be for the looks. I think the A5, A6 and A7 are the best in this department. The reason I'm considering the 5 Series is the quieter ride and more solid feel. I think it because it has the S Line bodkit and the Bose sound system. The only thing I don't like about the A7 is the rear of the car, I can't really get used to it. It's nice, don't get me wrong, but it's not really my style. And all BMWs now look the same 3,5,6,7. The 3 series has some features of the 5. The front is much smaller. The 5 is just a bit smaller than the 7, basically the same thing, just more space and the 7 is bulkier. The 6 is like a 5 series but 2 doors, very similar. But I still like the new generation BMWs more than the old one..
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| Darryl79 (742hp) | Quote: Posted by matt44228 I think it is because it has the bodkit s line and the Bose sound system. The only thing I don't like about the A7 is the rear of the car, I can't really get used to it. It's nice, don't get me wrong, but it's not really my style. And all BMWs now look the same 3,5,6,7. The 3 series has some features of the 5. The front is much smaller. The 5 is just a bit smaller than the 7, basically the same thing, just more space and the 7 is bulkier. The 6 is like a 5 series but 2 doors, very similar. But I still like the new generation BMWs more than the old one. Most certainly, the last generation 5 series was ugly, or should I say strap ugly. I haven't even bothered to look at the latest Gen 5 series, but the F10 piques my interest. It's funny how BMW fanboys make fun of Audi because all their cars look the same and now all BMWs look the same and suddenly we're not talking about Audi looking the same. The A7 is almost like the 535 GT and MB CLS, fast back, sport back, hatchback, whatever you want to call them. They are very attractive cars, but not for everyone I suppose.
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| rousseau (336hp) | yeah lol, I would choose the cls over the a7 any day =]
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| jose12345 (953hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The The A6 attracts too much attention for my liking, with kids wanting to race me at every red light. If BMW is for middle-aged guys, then Mercedes must be for old people. I tested a 2012 E350 sport a few weeks ago, it's much improved, but it's still not a BMW or an Audi. I agree with you, I just reached the big 50 but I still feel like I'm much younger. I enjoy the luxury of my 535i and its sportiness when I need it. I test drove a 2009 M5 and almost bought it, until I saw my nice Graphite Metallic 6 speed manual and my fiancée pointed out the warranty as well. Deep down, I knew that if I drove the M5 every day in Atlanta traffic, I would be in jail for speeding... but let me just tell you, I have to be careful with my 535i too. .hitting second gear you look down and wow I'm doing 80 mph in a zone. 45
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| 010289 (666hp) | Simple solution. Install the burger setting and beat any A6. Completely removes the pod. Much more fun to drive.
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| christopher (496hp) | I don't think the F10 looks like an F30 at all. It's a much bigger car and has much more road presence than any 3 series. Alain
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| Aido (916hp) | WHAT THEY DON'T MENTION IS: IT'S AN AUDI 4.2 QAUTTRO THEY SHOULD TAKE THIS VW ON THE TRACK AGAINST MY 550i
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| cheezit1 (429hp) | I bought my first BMW in 1985 and have had five 5ers in a row. So there is no bigger BMW fan than me - but I just traded my 08 550 for a 12 S4. I'm surprised (and disappointed) that the question is even raised as to whether BMW or Audi is sportier. For you people who talk about BMW for BMW's sake, it's time to hit the reset button. I'm the perfect example of where BMW and Audi are going and I really hope BMW remembers guys like me who put sport before luxury. By the way, I still have a deposit on an M5, so who knows??!!
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| Dallas550 (600hp) | If you've driven both of these cars on a track, you'll understand what I mean. The Audi has more understeer but better grip thanks to the performance summer tires. The BMW has better balance but less grip thanks to summer touring tires. Look at the Audi and BMW tires on the tire rack, you'll see why everyone thinks the Audi handles better.
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| sigaris (125hp) | Quote: Posted by matt44228 yeah lol, I'd choose the cls over the a7 any day =] I'll take the BMW 6 Series Grand Coupe (4 door) over the CLS or A7. IMO, CLS are ugly and too many old retirees drive the A7. As for the 5 or A6 series, I love my F10. BMW's style is conservative, but timeless. For example, the E39 still looks good on the road. The F10 will still look stylish 15+ years from now. I can't say the same about the old Audi, Lexus, etc....
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| telnet (923hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ld757 Simple solution. Install the burger setting and beat any A6. Completely removes the pod. Much more fun to drive. They look like a burger for the F10 535i 2011?
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| goarmy1 (419hp) | Quote: Posted by JNoSol I would take the BMW 6 Series Grand Coupe (4 doors) over the CLS or A7. IMO, CLS are ugly and too many old retirees drive the A7. As for the 5 or A6 series, I love my F10. BMW's style is conservative, but timeless. For example, the E39 still looks good on the road. The F10 will still look stylish 15+ years from now. I can't say the same for older Audis, Lexuses, etc. The last part is a huge draw for BMW and Porsche. Both of these car brands look good in 10+ years. Very conservative styling... doesn't necessarily excite you today, but won't look as terribly ugly as an Audi or Mercedes in 10 years. Lexus isn't too bad, middle of the pack. It will still be usable in 10 years in terms of style. Audi is a fashion, many people have personalities that inspire them to adhere to fashion culture. Cheap money doesn't hurt either. It's all about experience.
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| varida.alibaeva (849hp) | Quote: Originally published by TheRox Audi is a fashion, many people have personalities that inspire them to embrace fashion culture. Cheap money doesn't hurt either. It's all about experience. Audi is just a fad? I guess Audi has been a fad for 100 years, so stop drinking the BMW Kool Aid.
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| 02101992 (937hp) | MERCSUk153, I'm also an Audi S4 fan. This is the only Audi model that will be in my garage, as the M3 is a bit expensive in my wallet. Over the last 8 years I have owned everything from EVO IXs, Mercs, Acuras to Infinitis. I've been addicted to BMWs ever since I bought an E90, nothing compares to the way it drives and handles. Now that I own the F10, it's another step forward. It's a perfect blend of performance, luxury and fuel economy (check out my photo below, actual trip from Houston, Texas to Kansas City). I don't think there is another car I would own in this category. Yes, 300 hp and still gets 34.1 mpg at 70 mph on average. I respect your opinion on Audi and agree that they are doing a much better job on design than 6 years ago. On this thread we compare the A6 3.0TFSI to the 535i. Which, honestly, will get some biased opinions on an F10 Post. I've driven both, the A6 has a feeling of understeer in tight corners. I also feel disconnected from the road and feel the weight of the A6. The 5 Series is well balanced 50/50, with a timeless design and very driver-focused. Since I've had an E90, the F10 feels like an E90 around the corner and the weight doesn't seem present. I loved the LED lines on Audi headlights, until the KIAs caught up with the trend. In 10 years I would hate looking at Audi headlights since everyone and their mothers have them on their headlights. That's what I meant by Fads. BMWs have stuck to grilles from the beginning, and their lines/headlights are very predictable for the next model. BMWs remain conservative, elegant, sporty and timeless with designs that are not easy to achieve. Designers are really thinking about how people will be attracted to their designs in 10 to 15 years. With that, my vote is for the 535i over the A6 3.0TFSI, but it's a close race actually..
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| driftwood (534hp) | Quote: Originally posted by JNoSol On this thread we compare the A6 3.0TFSI versus the 535i. Which, honestly, will get some biased opinions on an F10 Post. I've driven both, the A6 has a feeling of understeer in tight corners. I also feel disconnected from the road and feel the weight of the A6. The 5 Series is well balanced 50/50, with a timeless design and very driver-focused. Since I've had an E90, the F10 feels like an E90 around the corner and the weight doesn't seem present. I loved the LED lines on Audi headlights, until the KIAs caught up with the trend. In 10 years I would hate looking at Audi headlights since everyone and their mothers have them on their headlights. That's what I meant by Fads. BMWs have stuck to grilles from the beginning, and their lines/headlights are very predictable for the next model. BMWs remain conservative, elegant, sporty and timeless with designs that are not easy to achieve. Designers are really thinking about how people will be attracted to their designs in 10 to 15 years. With that, my vote is for the 535i over the A6 3.0TFSI, but it's a close race actually. The only way you'll notice understeer in the A6 is if you're driving it on the track and if you're on the track the A6 will exit the corner quicker than your 535i. To me, the 5 Series actually feels more disconnected than the A6 due to its quieter interior and softer suspension. Did you know that the A6 is actually lighter than the 5 Series and is also much lighter and more agile. The 5 Series without the package is more of a cruiser than a driver's car. My wife has an E90 and I'm considering getting a 535xi and I can tell you the 5 series drives nothing like the E90, not even close. In fact, the F10 isn't even as sporty as the F30. I guess Audi's LED daytime running lights are such a fad that almost every automaker has copied them. Even BMW is starting to use LEDs in its angel eyes. I wouldn't say the design of the last Gen 5 series was conservative, luckily the design was not carried over to this generation. I like the design of the F10 and the combination of luxury and sportiness, but it's no longer the driver's car it once was.
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| turtle21 (939hp) | First of all, I would never buy a BMW xDrive car (except my awesome '12 E70 Sport - xDrive Only, sexiest SUV ever). Audi does a better job than BMW at all-wheel drive, hands down. I was comparing an E90 335i (not 328xi) to an F10 535i, both RWD. I've had both for a year and the cornering sensations are very similar. The F10's rigid chassis is very stable and the quiet cabin is pleasant during long cruises. For the record, I don't need to go to a track to push my cars to their limits. My F10 goes sideways on the exit ramps, all you need is a few balls to push it. Okay, the F10's factory suspension is pretty soft, which has disappointed enthusiasts (KW or ACS will fix that). As for the DRL, BMW invented Halo rings. All they've done lately is replace the old bulbs with LEDs. This design will remain timeless, like the E39, E36, E46, etc. (I wouldn't mind having an E39 or E46 M, awesome cars). I sure hope they don't use LED strips in the future. Sorry, but I'm not sold on the A6 (just the S4 and S5). I'm not saying the A6 is the right or wrong choice for you, just not for me. Don't hesitate to convince others.
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| zamira (871hp) | Quote: Originally posted by JNoSol First of all, I would never buy a BMW xDrive car (except my awesome '12 E70 Sport - xDrive only, sexiest SUV ever). Audi does a better job than BMW at all-wheel drive, hands down. I was comparing an E90 335i (not 328xi) to an F10 535i, both RWD. I've had both for a year and the cornering sensations are very similar. The rigid chassis of the F10 is very stable, the quiet cabin is pleasant during long cruises. FYI, I don't need to go to a track to push my cars to their limits. My F10 goes sideways on the exit ramps, all you need is a few balls to push it. Okay, the F10's factory suspension is pretty soft, which has disappointed enthusiasts (KW or ACS will fix that). As for the DRL, BMW invented Halo rings. All they've done lately is replace the old bulbs with LEDs. This design will remain timeless, like the E39, E36, E46, etc. (I wouldn't mind having an E39 or E46 M, awesome cars). I sure hope they don't use LED strips in the future. Sorry, but I'm not sold on the A6 (just the S4 and S5). I'm not saying the A6 is the right or wrong choice for you, just not for me. Don't hesitate to convince others. If you think the 535i handles like a 335i, then you must be really high on the BMW Kool Aid. As much as I love the F10 535i, I know what it can and can't do. If you think there is no difference between the handling of the F10 and the E90, then you must drive your BMW like an old lady. Looking at your post about the 34 MPG on-board computer, I think you like to monitor your car. FYI, while you slide or drift your RWD BMW sideways on an exit ramp, an all-wheel drive sedan can propel it through the same ramp instead of sliding. Guess who will come off the ramp the fastest.
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| Gorillamunch (50hp) | Quote: Originally posted by kc1953 I gave my son my 1994 740i. He seems pretty happy with it. hey, it's still a BMW lol better than the Honda Civic or VW that most kids drive.
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| blue456 (925hp) | I want to like the A6, but the interior switchgear feels too cheap, the buttons and controls are too small for my hands, and the layout is too messy. I need a cohesive interior layout which is why my purchase of a 5 series - E350 and A6 was purchased but I didn't have it.
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| 949494 (757hp) | Quote: Originally posted by matt44228 It's a perfect balance of luxury and speed, that's what I like (and I'm only 19) and I think the 5 series stands out more than the a6. Iv turned more heads with the 535 than one of my friends did with his a7. I don't know where you are, but where I live there are so many BMWs that no one looks at them anymore
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| apple45 (125hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The X Men I'm not sure where you are, but where I live there are so many BMWs that no one looks at them anymore. I know the same thing here, but when you go out and drive in a brand new 5 series it's definitely going to attract attention. (The 5 series isn't as common yet so that's why people are still watching, unlike the 3 series that I see on every corner. Or the last generation 5 series)
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| unpack (556hp) | Quote: Originally posted by matt44228 It's a perfect balance of luxury and speed, that's what I like (and I'm only 19) and I think the 5 series stands out more than the a6. Iv turned more heads with the 535 than one of my friends did with his a7. Does your friend's A7 have the prestige pack? The Prestige Pack body kit makes the A7 look much better. Your buddy is a lucky man, the A7 is as good a car as it gets. The sports back design and the lines are almost perfect. I wanted an A7 when I was car shopping last year, but I couldn't justify the $8,000 extra over the A6. The 5 Series is also a nice car, but it looks too much like the F30. I stood next to an F10 at the dealership last weekend and thought it was an F30. I can tell you one thing: if I end up buying the 535xi, it won't be for the looks. I think the A5, A6 and A7 are the best in this department. The reason I'm considering the 5 Series is the quieter ride and more solid feel..
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| junior00 (466hp) | Quote: Posted by The X Men Does your boyfriend's A7 have the prestige package? The Prestige Pack body kit makes the A7 look much better. Your buddy is a lucky man, the A7 is as good a car as it gets. The sports back design and the lines are almost perfect. I wanted an A7 when I was car shopping last year, but I couldn't justify the $8,000 extra over the A6. The 5 Series is also a nice car, but it looks too much like the F30. I stood next to an F10 at the dealership last weekend and thought it was an F30. I can tell you one thing: if I end up buying the 535xi, it won't be for the looks. I think the A5, A6 and A7 are the best in this department. The reason I'm considering the 5 Series is the quieter ride and more solid feel. I think it because it has the bodkit s line and the Bose sound system. The only thing I don't like about the A7 is the rear of the car, I can't really get used to it. It's nice, don't get me wrong, but it's not really my style. And all BMWs now look the same 3,5,6,7. The 3 series has some features of the 5. The front is much smaller. The 5 is just a bit smaller than the 7, basically the same thing, just more space and the 7 is bulkier. The 6 is like a 5 series but 2 doors, very similar. But I still like the new generation BMWs more than the old one.
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| tia123 (301hp) | Quote: Posted by matt44228 I think it is because it has the bodkit s line and the Bose sound system. The only thing I don't like about the A7 is the rear of the car, I can't really get used to it. It's nice, don't get me wrong, but it's not really my style. And all BMWs now look the same 3,5,6,7. The 3 series has some features of the 5. The front is much smaller. The 5 is just a bit smaller than the 7, basically the same thing, just more space and the 7 is bulkier. The 6 is like a 5 series but 2 doors, very similar. But I still like the new generation BMWs more than the old one. Most certainly, the last generation 5 series was ugly, or should I say strap ugly. I haven't even bothered to look at the latest Gen 5 series, but the F10 piques my interest. It's funny how BMW fanboys make fun of Audi because all their cars look the same and now all BMWs look the same and suddenly we're not talking about Audi looking the same. The A7 is almost like the 535 GT and MB CLS, fast back, sport back, hatchback, whatever you want to call them. They are very attractive cars, but not for everyone I suppose.
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| 18031990 (608hp) | yeah lol, I would choose the cls over the a7 any day =]
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| madinina972 (710hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The The A6 attracts too much attention for my liking, with kids wanting to race me at every red light. If BMW is for middle-aged guys, then Mercedes must be for old people. I tested a 2012 E350 sport a few weeks ago, it's much improved, but it's still not a BMW or an Audi. I agree with you, I just reached the big 50 but I still feel like I'm much younger. I enjoy the luxury of my 535i and its sportiness when I need it. I test drove a 2009 M5 and almost bought it, until I saw my nice Graphite Metallic 6 speed manual and my fiancée pointed out the warranty as well. Deep down, I knew that if I drove the M5 every day in Atlanta traffic, I would be in jail for speeding... but let me just tell you, I have to be careful with my 535i too. .hitting second gear you look down and wow I'm doing 80 mph in a zone. 45
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| ajay123 (658hp) | Simple solution. Install the burger setting and beat any A6. Completely removes the pod. Much more fun to drive.
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| prophecy (577hp) | I don't think the F10 looks like an F30 at all. It's a much bigger car and has much more road presence than any 3 series. Alain
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| rukawa (440hp) | WHAT THEY DON'T MENTION IS: IT'S AN AUDI 4.2 QAUTTRO THEY SHOULD TAKE THIS VW ON THE TRACK AGAINST MY 550i
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| urban (569hp) | I bought my first BMW in 1985 and have had five 5ers in a row. So there is no bigger BMW fan than me - but I just traded my 08 550 for a 12 S4. I'm surprised (and disappointed) that the question is even raised as to whether BMW or Audi is sportier. For you people who talk about BMW for BMW's sake, it's time to hit the reset button. I'm the perfect example of where BMW and Audi are going and I really hope BMW remembers guys like me who put sport before luxury. By the way, I still have a deposit on an M5, so who knows??!!
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| beloved_a_devil (598hp) | If you've driven both of these cars on a track, you'll understand what I mean. The Audi has more understeer but better grip thanks to the performance summer tires. The BMW has better balance but less grip thanks to summer touring tires. Look at the Audi and BMW tires on the tire rack, you'll see why everyone thinks the Audi handles better.
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| wtzouris (565hp) | Quote: Posted by matt44228 yeah lol, I'd take the cls over the a7 any day =] I'll take the BMW 6 Series Grand Coupe (4 door) over the CLS or A7. IMO, CLS are ugly and too many old retirees drive the A7. As for the 5 or A6 series, I love my F10. BMW's style is conservative, but timeless. For example, the E39 still looks good on the road. The F10 will still look stylish 15+ years from now. I can't say the same about the old Audi, Lexus, etc....
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| multisync (917hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ld757 Simple solution. Install the burger setting and beat any A6. Completely removes the pod. Much more fun to drive. They look like a burger for the F10 535i 2011?
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| ray_futbol (875hp) | Quote: Posted by JNoSol I would take the BMW 6 Series Grand Coupe (4 doors) over the CLS or A7. IMO, CLS are ugly and too many old retirees drive the A7. As for the 5 or A6 series, I love my F10. BMW's style is conservative, but timeless. For example, the E39 still looks good on the road. The F10 will still look stylish 15+ years from now. I can't say the same for older Audis, Lexuses, etc. The last part is a huge draw for BMW and Porsche. Both of these car brands look good in 10+ years. Very conservative styling... doesn't necessarily excite you today, but won't look as terribly ugly as an Audi or Mercedes in 10 years. Lexus isn't too bad, middle of the pack. It will still be usable in 10 years in terms of style. Audi is a fashion, many people have personalities that inspire them to adhere to fashion culture. Cheap money doesn't hurt either. It's all about experience.
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| 411048 (974hp) | Quote: Originally published by TheRox Audi is a fashion, many people have personalities that inspire them to embrace fashion culture. Cheap money doesn't hurt either. It's all about experience. Audi is just a fad? I guess Audi has been a fad for 100 years, so stop drinking the BMW Kool Aid.
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| mailru (230hp) | MERCSUk153, I'm also an Audi S4 fan. This is the only Audi model that will be in my garage, as the M3 is a bit expensive in my wallet. Over the last 8 years I have owned everything from EVO IXs, Mercs, Acuras to Infinitis. I've been addicted to BMWs ever since I bought an E90, nothing compares to the way it drives and handles. Now that I own the F10, it's another step forward. It's a perfect blend of performance, luxury and fuel economy (check out my photo below, actual trip from Houston, Texas to Kansas City). I don't think there is another car I would own in this category. Yes, 300 hp and still gets 34.1 mpg at 70 mph on average. I respect your opinion on Audi and agree that they are doing a much better job on design than 6 years ago. On this thread we compare the A6 3.0TFSI to the 535i. Which, honestly, will get some biased opinions on an F10 Post. I've driven both, the A6 has a feeling of understeer in tight corners. I also feel disconnected from the road and feel the weight of the A6. The 5 Series is well balanced 50/50, with a timeless design and very driver-focused. Since I've had an E90, the F10 feels like an E90 around the corner and the weight doesn't seem present. I loved the LED lines on Audi headlights, until the KIAs caught up with the trend. In 10 years I would hate looking at Audi headlights since everyone and their mothers have them on their headlights. That's what I meant by Fads. BMWs have stuck to grilles from the beginning, and their lines/headlights are very predictable for the next model. BMWs remain conservative, elegant, sporty and timeless with designs that are not easy to achieve. Designers are really thinking about how people will be attracted to their designs in 10 to 15 years. With that, my vote is for the 535i over the A6 3.0TFSI, but it's a close race actually..
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| youare (492hp) | Quote: Originally posted by JNoSol On this thread we compare the A6 3.0TFSI versus the 535i. Which, honestly, will get some biased opinions on an F10 Post. I've driven both, the A6 has a feeling of understeer in tight corners. I also feel disconnected from the road and feel the weight of the A6. The 5 Series is well balanced 50/50, with a timeless design and very driver-focused. Since I've had an E90, the F10 feels like an E90 around the corner and the weight doesn't seem present. I loved the LED lines on Audi headlights, until the KIAs caught up with the trend. In 10 years I would hate looking at Audi headlights since everyone and their mothers have them on their headlights. That's what I meant by Fads. BMWs have stuck to grilles from the beginning, and their lines/headlights are very predictable for the next model. BMWs remain conservative, elegant, sporty and timeless with designs that are not easy to achieve. Designers are really thinking about how people will be attracted to their designs in 10 to 15 years. With that, my vote is for the 535i over the A6 3.0TFSI, but it's a close race actually. The only way you'll notice understeer in the A6 is if you drive it on the track and if you're on the track the A6 will exit the corner faster than your 535i. To me, the 5 Series actually feels more disconnected than the A6 due to its quieter interior and softer suspension. Did you know that the A6 is actually lighter than the 5 Series and is also much lighter and more agile. The 5 Series without the package is more of a cruiser than a driver's car. My wife has an E90 and I'm considering getting a 535xi and I can tell you the 5 series drives nothing like the E90, not even close. In fact, the F10 isn't even as sporty as the F30. I guess Audi's LED daytime running lights are such a fad that almost every automaker has copied them. Even BMW is starting to use LEDs in its angel eyes. I wouldn't say the design of the last generation 5 series was conservative, luckily the design was not carried over to this generation. I like the design of the F10 and the combination of luxury and sportiness, but it's no longer the driver's car it once was.
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| 31101981 (105hp) | First of all, I would never buy a BMW xDrive car (except my awesome '12 E70 Sport - xDrive Only, sexiest SUV ever). Audi does a better job than BMW at all-wheel drive, hands down. I was comparing an E90 335i (not 328xi) to an F10 535i, both RWD. I've had both for a year and the cornering sensations are very similar. The F10's rigid chassis is very stable and the quiet cabin is pleasant during long cruises. For the record, I don't need to go to a track to push my cars to their limits. My F10 goes sideways on the exit ramps, all you need is a few balls to push it. Okay, the F10's factory suspension is pretty soft, which has disappointed enthusiasts (KW or ACS will fix that). As for the DRL, BMW invented Halo rings. All they've done lately is replace the old bulbs with LEDs. This design will remain timeless, like the E39, E36, E46, etc. (I wouldn't mind having an E39 or E46 M, awesome cars). I sure hope they don't use LED strips in the future. Sorry, but I'm not sold on the A6 (just the S4 and S5). I'm not saying the A6 is the right or wrong choice for you, just not for me. Don't hesitate to convince others.
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| tiancai (275hp) | Quote: Originally posted by JNoSol First of all, I would never buy a BMW xDrive car (except my awesome '12 E70 Sport - xDrive only, sexiest SUV ever). Audi does a better job than BMW at all-wheel drive, hands down. I was comparing an E90 335i (not 328xi) to an F10 535i, both RWD. I've had both for a year and the cornering sensations are very similar. The rigid chassis of the F10 is very stable, the quiet cabin is pleasant during long cruises. FYI, I don't need to go to a track to push my cars to their limits. My F10 goes sideways on the exit ramps, all you need is a few balls to push it. Okay, the F10's factory suspension is pretty soft, which has disappointed enthusiasts (KW or ACS will fix that). As for the DRL, BMW invented Halo rings. All they've done lately is replace the old bulbs with LEDs. This design will remain timeless, like the E39, E36, E46, etc. (I wouldn't mind having an E39 or E46 M, awesome cars). I sure hope they don't use LED strips in the future. Sorry, but I'm not sold on the A6 (just the S4 and S5). I'm not saying the A6 is the right or wrong choice for you, just not for me. Don't hesitate to convince others. If you think the 535i handles like a 335i, then you must be really high on the BMW Kool Aid. As much as I love the F10 535i, I know what it can and can't do. If you think there is no difference between the handling of the F10 and the E90, then you must drive your BMW like an old lady. Looking at your post about the 34 MPG on-board computer, I think you like to monitor your car. FYI, while you slide or drift your RWD BMW sideways on an exit ramp, an all-wheel drive sedan can propel it through the same ramp instead of sliding. Guess who will come off the ramp the fastest.
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| Turkish Pickle (750hp) | Hello, the console surface of the F10 has these very fine scratches. It is difficult to avoid them. They appear even when you use anything other than a microfiber cloth to wipe or dust the surface. Has anyone found a way/product to polish them ??
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| CamelRyda (845hp) | any mild varnish will do. PlastiX or scratch..
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| 111964 (894hp) | I used T-cut. I did the work for me
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| 1rooster (560hp) | I have to do this again too. It's really painful! I don't like removing the center console, but I have microfiber gloves for better precision.
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| perrine (528hp) | What makes the battery so sensitive? When I first purchased my 528, the salesman explained the warranty rules to me. He said everything was covered EXCEPT THE BATTERY...?
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| diag (534hp) | Thank you gentlemen. Removing everything is a real job. I'm going to try a product to see how far it goes. It's actually quite bad, just running your fingers over it can leave scratches!
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| 071288 (390hp) | Really, is it stated that somewhere (besides the words of your dealer))?
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| 23101986 (261hp) | Quote: Originally posted by v12 Thank you gentlemen. Removing everything is a real job. I'm going to try a product to see how far it goes. It's actually quite bad, just running your fingers over it can leave scratches! MAYBE I SHOULD GIVE MY PASSENGERS MICROFIBER GLOVES IN CASE THEY TOUCH THE TRIM!
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| azkaban (970hp) | Batteries generally have a short lifespan.
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| inuyasha15 (995hp) | Would a sealant like Opti-seal from Optimum help prevent scratches? How long would it last?
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