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| report (593hp) | When people rewind the satellite, does negative time count down/up? On my 2011 it did this. On my 2013, time stands still.
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| martina123 (328hp) | The biggest problem I have is my satellite radio skipping. This drives me crazy since the car has a buffer and the actual signal shows up fine (if I rewind I can listen to the same segment without skipping). I'm afraid the hard drive is defective.
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| 01051993 (525hp) | I did a front msport conversion last year and was wondering if I should do the back as well. I have been debating for the last few months between just leaving my non msport rear bumper with diffuser painted gloss black and doing a quad exhaust with diffuser cutout OR upgrading to the oem msport rear and oem 550 diffuser with quads. What do you guys think??
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| 52hoover (26hp) | Why not an M5 rear diffuser with quad exhaust?
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| vkorotin (213hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Walile Why not an M5 rear diffuser with quad exhaust? Yeah. The m5 diffuser also crossed my mind. I heard that the exhaust and tips would have to be mounted differently due to the diffuser openings for the appearance to be correct..
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| pogi123 (487hp) | Quote: Originally posted by AWF10 I did a pre msport conversion last year and was wondering if I should do the back as well. I have been debating for the last few months between just leaving my non msport rear bumper with diffuser painted gloss black and doing a quad exhaust with diffuser cutout OR upgrading to the oem msport rear and oem 550 diffuser with quads. What do you think? I asked myself the same question. I actually think the non-M-Sport rear bumper looks better. The only problem is accommodating the tips of the quad, which is what I want to do. I think blacking out the diffuser section and getting quads would look better than m-sport. Lancaster had this look at one point, and it looked great! Keep us posted on what you decide.
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| monomono (357hp) | Three months ago I converted the front with the intention of not doing the rear. But now I notice the difference between the standard rear and the M rear, and I love both! I started gathering the parts for the rear conversion. I'm taking it really slow and buying the best values I can find ($200 for the 535i rear bumper cover and diffuser) because I know deep down that this mod is just for getting a feeling of closure, or completeness, and therefore is not urgent, and it is certainly not worth paying retail price for all of this. Besides the reason, or rationalization, already mentioned, I also have the idea that a matching M front and rear will net me a few extra dollars if I ever sell the car. So I like the idea of something unique on the back like you suggest, or modified to match the front, but if I'm furloughed and losing income, that project will wait and I won't lose sleep over being late. Does this make sense?
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| 050891 (824hp) | Quote: Posted by BigDeep1 Quote: Posted by AWF10 I did a pre msport conversion last year and was wondering if I should do the back as well. I have been debating for the last few months between just leaving my non msport rear bumper with diffuser painted gloss black and doing a quad exhaust with diffuser cutout OR upgrading to the oem msport rear and oem 550 diffuser with quads. What do you think? I asked myself the same question. I actually think the non-M-Sport rear bumper looks better. The only problem is accommodating the tips of the quad, which is what I want to do. I think blacking out the diffuser section and getting quads would look better than m-sport. Lancaster had this look at one point, and it looked great! Keep us posted on what you decide. Yeah. Agreed. I have a set of m6 quads with modified bits that I plan to install. I would just have to cut the rear diffuser since my diffuser is already painted. I also like the standard rear. Difficult decision. It seems like the difference in looks isn't big enough, other than more options for the aftermarket diffuser with the Msport rear..
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| staci (959hp) | Quote: Originally posted by MWPos Three months ago I converted the front with the intention of not doing the rear. But now I notice the difference between the standard rear and the M rear, and I love both! I started gathering the parts for the rear conversion. I'm taking it really slow and buying the best values I can find ($200 for the 535i rear bumper cover and diffuser) because I know deep down that this mod is just for getting a feeling of closure, or completeness, and therefore is not urgent, and it is certainly not worth paying retail price for all of this. Besides the reason, or rationalization, already mentioned, I also have the idea that a matching M front and rear will net me a few extra dollars if I ever sell the car. So I like the idea of something unique on the back like you suggest, or modified to match the front, but if I'm furloughed and losing income, that project will wait and I won't lose sleep over being late. Does this make sense? Amen. I feel 100% the same!
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| 10071990 (370hp) | Quote: Originally posted by AWF10 Yes. The m5 diffuser also crossed my mind. I have heard that the exhaust and tips would have to be mounted differently due to the diffuser openings for the appearance to be correct. With the 550 you will also need to install an M5 exhaust due to the tip position. But it's a pretty simple bolt if you have all the right parts. I have no idea what is required for the 535. I personally don't like the M-Sport rear, it just looks strange and neither sporty nor classic in my opinion. Of course, exterior styling is very subjective. Assuming the M Sport has the same rear design as the LCI, my first mods will be to install an M5 rear diffuser and an M5 takeoff exhaust..
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| weg63TT243 (799hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Walile Quote: Originally posted by AWF10 Yes. The m5 diffuser also crossed my mind. I have heard that the exhaust and tips would have to be mounted differently due to the diffuser openings for the appearance to be correct. With the 550 you will also need to install an M5 exhaust due to the tip position. But it's a pretty simple bolt if you have all the right parts. I have no idea what is required for the 535. I personally don't like the M-Sport rear, it just looks strange and neither sporty nor classic in my opinion. Of course, exterior styling is very subjective. Assuming the M Sport has the same rear design as the LCI, my first mods will be to install an M5 rear diffuser and an M5 takeoff exhaust. You definitely can't go wrong with the m5 diffuser + m exhaust5
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| kenzo (306hp) | Speaking of M5 exhausts, will any of the aftermarket M5 exhausts be fitted directly to the 550? I have an M-Sport and I really like the Akropovic silencers and would like to have them in the future.
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| food11 (429hp) | I had to replace my rear bumper thanks to some idiot at the grocery store. I debated keeping the non-M-Sport rear bumper, but since I had to replace the cover, I ended up ordering the M Sport bumper from my dealer and asked my workshop bodywork to install it. Since my car is Jet Black, the dark gray diffuser doesn't give the car much contrast, but overall I like it better. I wish the idiot at the grocery store had hit the front bumper.
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| fairytale (334hp) | Well... your insurance company will never know if the shopping cart hit you at 25 mph, or if you hit the shopping cart, unless you're one of those people who looks guilty nothing come to think of it... :>, (Disclaimer: I'm not suggesting you defraud your insurance company. This is just a joke !
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| 27041983 (873hp) | Quote: Originally posted by snj1013 I had to replace my rear bumper thanks to some idiot at the grocery store. I debated keeping the non-M-Sport rear bumper, but since I had to replace the cover, I ended up ordering the M Sport bumper from my dealer and asked my workshop bodywork to install it. Since my car is Jet Black, the dark gray diffuser doesn't give the car much contrast, but overall I like it better. I wish the idiot at the grocery store had hit the front bumper, but sorry, I heard about your car. Yes, mine is Alpine White, so the rear of the Msport would be much more contrasting. I'm also wondering if I should just install my m6 quads that I have or get a set of f10 m quads5..
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| radio1 (789hp) | I did a front msport conversion last year and was wondering if I should do the back as well. I have been debating for the last few months between just leaving my non msport rear bumper with diffuser painted gloss black and doing a quad exhaust with diffuser cutout OR upgrading to the oem msport rear and oem 550 diffuser with quads. What do you guys think??
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| bkubes (660hp) | Why not an M5 rear diffuser with quad exhaust?
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| omolara (129hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Walile Why not an M5 rear diffuser with quad exhaust? Yeah. The m5 diffuser also crossed my mind. I heard that the exhaust and tips would have to be mounted differently due to the diffuser openings for the appearance to be correct..
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| 199015 (9hp) | Quote: Originally posted by AWF10 I did a pre msport conversion last year and was wondering if I should do the back as well. I have been debating for the last few months between just leaving my non msport rear bumper with diffuser painted gloss black and doing a quad exhaust with diffuser cutout OR upgrading to the oem msport rear and oem 550 diffuser with quads. What do you think? I asked myself the same question. I actually think the non-M-Sport rear bumper looks better. The only problem is accommodating the tips of the quad, which is what I want to do. I think blacking out the diffuser section and getting quads would look better than m-sport. Lancaster had this look at one point, and it looked great! Keep us posted on what you decide.
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| 03091992 (182hp) | Three months ago I converted the front with the intention of not doing the rear. But now I notice the difference between the standard rear and the M rear, and I love both! I started gathering the parts for the rear conversion. I'm taking it really slow and buying the best values I can find ($200 for the 535i rear bumper cover and diffuser) because I know deep down that this mod is just for getting a feeling of closure, or completeness, and therefore is not urgent, and it is certainly not worth paying retail price for all of this. Besides the reason, or rationalization, already mentioned, I also have the idea that a matching M front and rear will net me a few extra dollars if I ever sell the car. So, I like the idea of something unique on the back like you suggest, or modified to match the front, but if I'm furloughed and losing income, that project will wait and I won't lose sleep over being late. Does this make sense?
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| spencer13 (292hp) | Quote: Posted by BigDeep1 Quote: Posted by AWF10 I did a pre msport conversion last year and was wondering if I should do the back as well. I have been debating for the last few months between just leaving my non msport rear bumper with diffuser painted gloss black and doing a quad exhaust with diffuser cutout OR upgrading to the oem msport rear and oem 550 diffuser with quads. What do you think? I asked myself the same question. I actually think the non-M-Sport rear bumper looks better. The only problem is accommodating the tips of the quad, which is what I want to do. I think blacking out the diffuser section and getting quads would look better than m-sport. Lancaster had this look at one point, and it looked great! Keep us posted on what you decide. Yeah. Agreed. I have a set of m6 quads with modified bits that I plan to install. I would just have to cut the rear diffuser since my diffuser is already painted. I also like the standard rear. Difficult decision. It seems like the difference in looks isn't big enough, other than more options for the aftermarket diffuser with the Msport rear..
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| Noman06 (416hp) | Quote: Originally posted by MWPos Three months ago I converted the front with the intention of not doing the rear. But now I notice the difference between the standard rear and the M rear, and I love both! I started gathering the parts for the rear conversion. I'm taking it really slow and buying the best values I can find ($200 for the 535i rear bumper cover and diffuser) because I know deep down that this mod is just for getting a feeling of closure, or completeness, and therefore is not urgent, and it is certainly not worth paying retail price for all of this. Besides the reason, or rationalization, already mentioned, I also have the idea that a matching M front and rear will net me a few extra dollars if I ever sell the car. So, I like the idea of something unique on the back like you suggest, or modified to match the front, but if I'm furloughed and losing income, that project will wait and I won't lose sleep over being late. Does this make sense? Amen. I feel 100% the same!
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| onlyone1 (472hp) | Quote: Originally posted by AWF10 Yes. The m5 diffuser also crossed my mind. I have heard that the exhaust and tips would have to be mounted differently due to the diffuser openings for the appearance to be correct. With the 550 you will also need to install an M5 exhaust due to the tip position. But it's a pretty simple bolt if you have all the right parts. I have no idea what is required for the 535. I personally don't like the M-Sport rear, it just looks strange and neither sporty nor classic in my opinion. Of course, exterior styling is very subjective. Assuming the M Sport has the same rear design as the LCI, my first mods will be to install an M5 rear diffuser and an M5 takeoff exhaust..
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| a1z2e3 (647hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Walile Quote: Originally posted by AWF10 Yes. The m5 diffuser also crossed my mind. I have heard that the exhaust and tips would have to be mounted differently due to the diffuser openings for the appearance to be correct. With the 550 you will also need to install an M5 exhaust due to the tip position. But it's a pretty simple bolt if you have all the right parts. I have no idea what is required for the 535. I personally don't like the M-Sport rear, it just looks strange and neither sporty nor classic in my opinion. Of course, exterior styling is very subjective. Assuming the M Sport has the same rear design as the LCI, my first mods will be to install an M5 rear diffuser and an M5 takeoff exhaust. You definitely can't go wrong with the m5 diffuser + m exhaust5
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| deathcore (221hp) | Speaking of M5 exhausts, will any of the aftermarket M5 exhausts be fitted directly to the 550? I have an M-Sport and I really like the Akropovic silencers and would like to have them in the future.
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| carlos23 (400hp) | I had to replace my rear bumper thanks to some idiot at the grocery store. I debated keeping the non-M-Sport rear bumper, but since I had to replace the cover, I ended up ordering the M Sport bumper from my dealer and asked my workshop bodywork to install it. Since my car is Jet Black, the dark gray diffuser doesn't give the car much contrast, but overall I like it better. I wish the idiot at the grocery store had hit the front bumper.
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| 05091978 (540hp) | Well... your insurance company will never know if the shopping cart hit you at 25 mph, or if you hit the shopping cart, unless you're one of those people who looks guilty nothing come to think of it... :>, (Disclaimer: I'm not suggesting you defraud your insurance company. This is just a joke !
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| barbar (201hp) | Quote: Originally posted by snj1013 I had to replace my rear bumper thanks to some idiot at the grocery store. I debated keeping the non-M-Sport rear bumper, but since I had to replace the cover, I ended up ordering the M Sport bumper from my dealer and asked my workshop bodywork to install it. Since my car is Jet Black, the dark gray diffuser doesn't give the car much contrast, but overall I like it better. I wish the idiot at the grocery store had hit the front bumper, but sorry, I heard about your car. Yes, mine is Alpine White, so the rear of the Msport would be much more contrasting. I'm also wondering if I should just install my m6 quads that I have or get a set of f10 m quads5..
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| hailey06 (183hp) | 2013 535i, Dark Graphite Metallic II, Oyster and Black Dakota Leather, Cold Weather Package, Driving Assistance Package, Driving Assistance Plus, M Sport Package, Premium Package, Technology Package, Dynamic Damper Control, Automatic Doors soft-close, Power rear sunshade, Multi-contour seats, automatic high beams, premium HI-Fi system, 6-speed manual transmission. Ordered on April 8, production started on April 10, 2013 at 6:57 a.m., Dingolfing, Bavaria, Germany. Very excited!
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| 12345sex (128hp) | Well done! You will love the color, it's very unique.
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| aa111111 (386hp) | I have the same exterior color and manual tranny. I like it, and I'm sure you will too!
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| cfdxtyrj (935hp) | Quote: Posted by dchartier I have the same exterior color and the same manual transexual. I love it and I'm sure you will too! dchartier, Thank you for your response. Just out of curiosity, does the M shift knob light up at night and is it dimmed by the dashboard light dimmer? Thanks in advance 535iNM
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| justice01 (175hp) | My Msport manual shift knob doesn't do this (which I've noticed before). Excellent choice on the 6MT!
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| eagles (722hp) | Quote: Posted by Boulder Bill My Msport manual shift knob doesn't work (that I've never noticed). Excellent choice on the 6MT! The following image shows what this would look like lit up. This is a shift knob as it would appear on an M5, which is illuminated. I installed it on my 2011 535i and was hoping the M Sport shifter on the 2013 order would be the same. Thanks for checking!
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| 060787 (201hp) | Hmmm. I'm not the most observant, I suppose. I'll check again next time I drive at night. It looks cool.
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| 110179 (330hp) | It's good! to like !
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| ruthless (568hp) | No, no lighting on the gear lever. This was not a problem for me. Quote: Originally posted by 535iNM dchartier, Thanks for your response. Just out of curiosity, does the M shift knob light up at night and is it dimmed by the dashboard light dimmer? Thanks in advance 535iNM
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| myspace27 (427hp) | I have the same color with 6mt and the black dakota loves it.... Congratulations and enjoy!
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| professionaltools (786hp) | 2013 535i, Dark Graphite Metallic II, Oyster and Black Dakota Leather, Cold Weather Package, Driver Assistance Package, Driving Assistance Plus, M Sport Package, Premium Package, Technology Package, Dynamic Damper Control, Automatic Doors soft-close, Power rear sunshade, Multi-contour seats, automatic high beams, premium HI-Fi system, 6-speed manual transmission. Ordered on April 8, production started on April 10, 2013 at 6:57 a.m., Dingolfing, Bavaria, Germany. Very excited!
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| hotboy123 (72hp) | Well done! You will love the color, it's very unique.
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| TreDirtyFive (10hp) | I have the same exterior color and manual tranny. I like it, and I'm sure you will too!
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| alex95 (237hp) | Quote: Posted by dchartier I have the same exterior color and the same manual transexual. I love it and I'm sure you will too! dchartier, Thank you for your response. Just out of curiosity, does the M shift knob light up at night and is it dimmed by the dashboard light dimmer? Thanks in advance 535iNM
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| 150280 (779hp) | My Msport manual shift knob doesn't do this (which I've noticed before). Excellent choice on the 6MT!
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| 420bud (396hp) | Quote: Posted by Boulder Bill My Msport manual shift knob doesn't work (which I've noticed before). Excellent choice on the 6MT! The following image shows what this would look like lit up. This is a shift knob as it would appear on an M5, which is illuminated. I installed it on my 2011 535i and was hoping the M Sport shifter on the 2013 order would be the same. Thanks for checking!
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| GEN2 (670hp) | Hmmm. I'm not the most observant, I suppose. I'll check again next time I drive at night. It looks cool.
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| gabesz (160hp) | It's good! to like !
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| 12021986 (781hp) | No, no lighting on the gear lever. This was not a problem for me. Quote: Originally posted by 535iNM dchartier, Thanks for your response. Just out of curiosity, does the M shift knob light up at night and is it dimmed by the dashboard light dimmer? Thanks in advance 535iNM
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| koxal (890hp) | I have the same color with 6mt and the black dakota loves it.... Congratulations and enjoy!
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| hellow1 (96hp) | what's up guys who are new to the forum world and wanted people's opinions. I have a 2012 F10 with 2400 miles, it's not my daily driver. Call me stupid, but when I first bought the car I didn't have the sport package on it. lol. I did little things to the F10 like color matching/painting the grilles white/black, adding the M5 spoiler, adding a roof wing but I might remove it (it makes it look stupid imho notice), paint the trim/door handle side. gloss black window marker/trim (basically all silver trim on the exterior). that's all that's been done, now let's get down to business. I ordered the BMW M sport front, rear bumpers and side skirts from BMW, I will paint them this weekend and install them, my question is: I want to install wheels but there are so many of choice? I love Vossen's CV3s, but I feel like I'm copying everyone else? any opinions on the wheels? and also for the suspension should I use it a little more and/or put springs or coilovers? I also ordered the m5 diffuser for my Megan Racing exhaust. Oh yeah, and me and a friend started a page for the NY/NJ area on Facebook if anyone is interested in joining us to have meetups and stuff and just nonsense and talk about car stuff lol. ALL BMWs are welcome! https://www.facebook.com/groups/160495780781426/
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| ike (537hp) | There are many routes you can take with the wheels: there are OEM rims, aftermarket rims as well as replicas. OEM rims will always be heavier. Some options you can consider are 373 M rims and 303M rims. They both come in 20s and I think they look great on the F10. You can still find replicas of the OEM rims, but they may not be as reliable and strong, especially if you're on the East Coast like me. Some aftermarket rims you can look at that I like are Forgestars, MORRS, HRE. It all depends on your budget. If you're looking to get a new set of wheels, you may also want to invest in some springs to drop your car about an inch or so so it looks flush. Here is a link to the F10 Owners Place for wheels and tires: http://f10.5post.com/forums/forumdis...315&order=desc
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| konfetina-kis (253hp) | what's up guys who are new to the forum world and wanted people's opinions. I have a 2012 F10 with 2400 miles, it's not my daily driver. Call me stupid, but when I first bought the car I didn't have the sport package on it. lol. I did little things to the F10 like color matching/painting the grilles white/black, adding the M5 spoiler, adding a roof wing but I might remove it (it makes it look stupid imho notice), paint the trim/door handle side. gloss black window marker/trim (basically all silver trim on the exterior). that's all that's been done, now let's get down to business. I ordered the BMW M sport front, rear bumpers and side skirts from BMW, I will paint them this weekend and install them, my question is: I want to install wheels but there are so many of choice? I love Vossen's CV3s, but I feel like I'm copying everyone else? any opinions on the wheels? and also for the suspension should I use it a little more and/or put springs or coilovers? I also ordered the m5 diffuser for my Megan Racing exhaust. Oh yeah, and me and a friend started a page for the NY/NJ area on Facebook if anyone is interested in joining us to have meetups and stuff and just nonsense and talk about car stuff lol. ALL BMWs are welcome! https://www.facebook.com/groups/160495780781426/
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| helenka (300hp) | There are many routes you can take with the wheels: there are OEM rims, aftermarket rims as well as replicas. OEM rims will always be heavier. Some options you can consider are 373 M rims and 303M rims. They both come in 20s and I think they look great on the F10. You can still find replicas of the OEM rims, but they may not be as reliable and strong, especially if you're on the East Coast like me. Some aftermarket rims you can look at that I like are Forgestars, MORRS, HRE. It all depends on your budget. If you're looking to get a new set of wheels, you may also want to invest in some springs to drop your car about an inch or so so it looks flush. Here is a link to the F10 Owners Place for wheels and tires: http://f10.5post.com/forums/forumdis...315&order=desc
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| ker (734hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Imola.ZHP Surprise surprise, most of the negative comments are from current F10 owners... No one ever saw this coming... This site is so predictable now... Marcus, We all have the right to express an opinion here. Whatever point you're trying to make, it's not very convincing when you attack the poster's character..
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| 120374 (172hp) | Quote: Originally posted by LordLev So give it some time until current F10 owners start spending on LCI headlight upgrades, LCI bumpers, LCI mirrors and works . Of all things, I love that the center front isn't as droopy and is now more crisp and straight. The fog lights seem to be much better in a wide, rectangular housing that fits inside those shiny chrome ones, similar to those on the new 6 series. I wonder what the LCI M-sport bumper will look like? I doubt it. Maybe the M5 guys if the LCI refresh reaches them, but 99% of the F10 guys don't even modify! Very different from the 3'er crowd, always looking for the latest and greatest. Now the M5 guys seem to spend tons of money on their cars, so I wouldn't doubt them slamming on every LCI bit if it's a simple bolt. Alan
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| arsenal01 (454hp) | let's wait and see what the LCI M-sport would look like. For me the most important LCI update would be the N63Tu engine and LED headlights. the N63 is a great engine but it can be problematic for some owners... just speaking from experience
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| 26071981 (96hp) | Where do these whiskers go on the lower grid? I like the old one better...let's see if the new LEDs are brighter. Xenons on BMWs are disappointing compared to Acuras...
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| explore (809hp) | ehhh could have been better cosmetically, but the power increase due to the new vanos is nice. Personally, I love my 550, pre-lci with a best dd air.
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| 161086 (31hp) | I like the little kidney grilles. Does anyone know if BMW could offer some sort of ECU tuning to match the new 2013 550i release? If I didn't rent, I'd have serious buyer's remorse right now.
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| alinochka (633hp) | The hood latch line really needs to be integrated with the grilles, especially now with the crease running from the top corner of the headlights..
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| danielle09 (603hp) | Quote: Posted by super Shaft I love the little kidney grills. Does anyone know if BMW could offer some sort of ECU tuning to match the new 2013 550i release? If I didn't rent, I would have serious buyer's remorse right now. The kidney grilles are not smaller. This is because the LCI image is smaller next to that of the pre LCI..
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| 22071995 (810hp) | The LCI corrects what I initially found: the front of the current F10 was too bulky..
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| mama00 (154hp) | I actually just canceled my order and will wait until MY14 goes on sale. I like the cosmetic changes on the LCI and am hoping for maybe a small HP increase. I haven't seen any real legitimate consensus on whether the 535 will see a slight bump like the 550. Here's maybe!!
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| 09061995 (667hp) | LCI looks sharper, less grindy and chunky than the current 5er.
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| prestige1 (600hp) | Not really a fan of the changes, I never liked the non-sport version, with the changes it is now closer to a series 3 look, I think it doesn't suit a car of this size, I rather like it the existing version, but I guess like all BMWs have to see the car in the flesh before any judgment
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| junior12 (763hp) | I think it's going to be much better than the photos show. I think they are out of perspective, even the position seems wrong. It will be interesting to see what the line changes are on the side..
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| zzxxcc (551hp) | Yuck. I don't like the design of the LCI. (And I don't like the design of the 4 Coupe either, although I don't like this one more) Why does it look like an AUDI? Yes, the headlights appear to have shrunk. And the lines coming out of the headlights really make the front end look too complicated. There are already the two lines above the hood which I think we could have done without. Sorry, but I really don't like it. F30 was OK. F20 was yuck. This... too
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| 29061990 (679hp) | It looks meaner and with more attitude. Not as sweet as today. That suits me! But the most sought after upgrade is the steering IMHO..
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| yummy12 (127hp) | I'm pretty indifferent to change. I think it looks good and the changes are very subtle. I wouldn't choose one over the other based on looks, but rather based on the improved performance of the '14
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| Ender's Game (975hp) | Quote: Originally posted by pyramid The LCI corrects what I initially found: the front of the current F10 was too bulky. Instead of the word bulky, I instead use the word more substantial, which is what a sedan in this price range should be..
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| davidj (352hp) | But what will the LCI M-Sport look like??
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| nuncamas (501hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The X Men Instead of the word cumbersome, I instead use the more substantive word, which is what a sedan in the price range should be. Thanks for your English 101, I have to admit it's not my primary language. I don’t even know what “substantial” means. Anyway, I bought my F10 528i in 2011 for around $130,000 and I still think the front end is bulky up to the LCI..
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| [Vlad] (326hp) | I haven't read everything yet, but I think the reports that the shape of the headlights have changed are false. It seems that the *shape* of the headlights is exactly the same? The grille looks smaller as one report mentioned but I think it's the same size, just because there are fewer slats makes it look smaller..
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| marie28 (665hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Saphirschwarz I think the small changes are cool, so pre-LCI owners don't feel like their car is obsolete. I would be upset if I bought a car for 55,000 euros that becomes visually obsolete after 3 years. I agree. I was fed up with Mercedes' lack of confidence and foresight in their designs, completely overhauling their designs for simple facelifts. No luxury brand in the world that charges a premium price should succumb to the short-term fame of needing to change so quickly and so radically. I respect BMW for treating their 5er as a perfect design, so I'm not doing much to change it. This allows the car to age gracefully, shows the confidence and talent of the designers, and shows that they treat the model with respect and dignity. Mercedes has become the opposite these days (the E-Class facelift is a bad joke in this regard, it completely undid all the gimmicks they originally designed the car around, making it look heavily disjointed and hopelessly modified to hide the fact that they clearly didn't like what they did with the pre-facelift). Quote: Posted by pharding Pre-LCI looks better in this architect's opinion. The extra crease between the headlights and grille looks horrible and too difficult. The upper 2/3 of the front facade should have been left alone. Lower third on LCI is OK. The front of the LCI looks gloomy. It's now an incoherent jumble of ideas with a whiff of this idea and a whiff of that idea that is completely unrelated. This is the worst front end design of a BMW in BMW's current lineup. I might look at an Audi A7 because it's so bad. I agree with you. I really hate the tendency to hustle for the sake of it, without focusing on harmony. The very reason I switched to BMW is because they are making designs that are timeless, harmonious and sensible again. I would hate for them to start going the route of messy designs in the future. That said, compared to other manufacturers, I still find the F10's LCI features so far quite sleek, relatively speaking, but not as clean and sleek as pre-LCI. Quote: Originally posted by KoenG This is yet another confirmation of the direction BMW design is heading: nowhere at all. The fugly series 1, 5GT, X6 and 3GT where no isolated incidents I suppose. There is a model that is evolving and I don't like it. Oh man, I hope that's not where they're going! I let MB go because they have become a design team that seems to party too much and then get straight to work designing their next cars. I got really interested in BMW because I like the fact that they seem to design elegant classics in comparison. However, I don't like the F30's overly fussy front end (otherwise, I love the design), and I sure think the 5 GT, F20 and X6 are some of the ugliest cars of all time..
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| rosalie1 (985hp) | here is my problem, i can be removed from my m3 lease without penalty if i get into the current 2013 5 series, should i wait for the new one in 2014, will it be more expensive? I don't know what to do.....
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| emachine1 (228hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Imola.ZHP Surprise surprise, most of the negative comments are from current F10 owners... No one ever saw this coming... This site is so predictable now... Marcus, We all have the right to express an opinion here. Whatever point you're trying to make, it's not very convincing when you attack the poster's character..
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| SDC (820hp) | Quote: Originally posted by LordLev So give it some time until current F10 owners start spending on LCI headlight upgrades, LCI bumpers, LCI mirrors and works . Of all things, I love that the center front isn't as droopy and is now more crisp and straight. The fog lights seem to be much better in a wide, rectangular housing that fits inside those shiny chrome ones, similar to those on the new 6 series. I wonder what the LCI M-sport bumper will look like? I doubt it. Maybe the M5 guys if the LCI refresh reaches them, but 99% of the F10 guys don't even modify! Very different from the 3'er crowd, always looking for the latest and greatest. Now the M5 guys seem to spend tons of money on their cars, so I wouldn't doubt them slamming on every LCI bit if it's a simple bolt. Alan
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| rico (927hp) | let's wait and see what the LCI M-sport would look like. For me the most important LCI update would be the N63Tu engine and LED headlights. the N63 is a great engine but it can be problematic for some owners... just speaking from experience
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| fanta123 (209hp) | Where do these whiskers go on the lower grid? I like the old one better...let's see if the new LEDs are brighter. Xenons on BMWs are disappointing compared to Acuras...
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| eva (111hp) | ehhh could have been better cosmetically, but the power increase due to the new vanos is nice. Personally, I love my 550, pre-lci with a best dd air.
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| jonny12 (581hp) | I like the little kidney grilles. Does anyone know if BMW could offer some sort of ECU tuning to match the new 2013 550i release? If I didn't rent, I'd have serious buyer's remorse right now.
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| astra123 (437hp) | The hood latch line really needs to be integrated with the grilles, especially now with the crease running from the top corner of the headlights..
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| em123 (627hp) | Quote: Posted by super Shaft I love the little kidney grills. Does anyone know if BMW could offer some sort of ECU tuning to match the new 2013 550i release? If I didn't rent, I would have serious buyer's remorse right now. The kidney grilles are not smaller. This is because the LCI image is smaller next to that of the pre LCI..
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| draytek (32hp) | The LCI corrects what I initially found: the front of the current F10 was too bulky..
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| tbraden32 (691hp) | I actually just canceled my order and will wait until MY14 goes on sale. I like the cosmetic changes on the LCI and am hoping for maybe a small HP increase. I haven't seen any real legitimate consensus on whether the 535 will see a slight bump like the 550. Here's maybe!!
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| husky33 (736hp) | LCI looks sharper, less grindy and chunky than the current 5er.
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| latisha1 (651hp) | Not really a fan of the changes, I never liked the non-sport version, with the changes it is now closer to a series 3 look, I think it doesn't suit a car of this size, I rather like it the existing version, but I guess like all BMWs have to see the car in the flesh before any judgment
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| owned1 (411hp) | I think it's going to be much better than what the photos show. I think they are out of perspective, even the position seems wrong. It will be interesting to see what the line changes are on the side..
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| jamie5 (226hp) | Yuck. I don't like the design of the LCI. (And I don't like the design of the 4 Coupe either, although I don't like this one more) Why does it look like an AUDI? Yes, the headlights appear to have shrunk. And the lines coming out of the headlights really make the front end look too complicated. There are already the two lines above the hood which I think we could have done without. Sorry, but I really don't like it. F30 was OK. F20 was yuck. This... too
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| cookies01 (770hp) | It looks meaner and with more attitude. Not as sweet as today. That suits me! But the most sought after upgrade is the steering IMHO..
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| snow1234 (342hp) | I'm pretty indifferent to change. I think it looks good and the changes are very subtle. I wouldn't choose one over the other based on looks, but rather based on the improved performance of the '14
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| nekoneko (932hp) | Quote: Originally posted by pyramid The LCI corrects what I initially found: the front of the current F10 was too bulky. Instead of the word bulky, I instead use the word more substantial, which is what a sedan in this price range should be..
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| cayden1 (400hp) | But what will the LCI M-Sport look like??
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| 120594 (916hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The X Men Instead of the word cumbersome, I instead use the more substantive word, which is what a sedan in the price range should be. Thanks for your English 101, I have to admit it's not my primary language. I don’t even know what “substantial” means. Anyway, I bought my F10 528i in 2011 for around $130,000 and I still think the front end is bulky up to the LCI..
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| summer77 (203hp) | I haven't read everything yet, but I think the reports that the shape of the headlights have changed are false. It seems that the *shape* of the headlights is exactly the same? The grille looks smaller as one report mentioned but I think it's the same size, just because there are fewer slats makes it look smaller..
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| Erregend (958hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Saphirschwarz I think the small changes are cool, so pre-LCI owners don't feel like their car is obsolete. I would be upset if I bought a car for 55,000 euros that becomes visually obsolete after 3 years. I agree. I was fed up with Mercedes' lack of confidence and foresight in their designs, completely overhauling their designs for simple facelifts. No luxury brand in the world that charges a premium price should succumb to the short-term fame of needing to change so quickly and so radically. I respect BMW for treating their 5er as a perfect design, so I'm not doing much to change it. This allows the car to age gracefully, shows the confidence and talent of the designers, and shows that they treat the model with respect and dignity. Mercedes has become the opposite these days (the E-Class facelift is a bad joke in this regard, it completely undid all the gimmicks they originally designed the car around, making it look heavily disjointed and hopelessly modified to hide the fact that they clearly didn't like what they did with the pre-facelift). Quote: Posted by pharding Pre-LCI looks better in this architect's opinion. The extra crease between the headlights and grille looks horrible and too difficult. The upper 2/3 of the front facade should have been left alone. Lower third on LCI is OK. The front of the LCI looks gloomy. It's now an incoherent jumble of ideas with a whiff of this idea and a whiff of that idea that is completely unrelated. This is the worst front end design of a BMW in BMW's current lineup. I might look at an Audi A7 because it's so bad. I agree with you. I really hate the tendency to hustle for the sake of it, without focusing on harmony. The very reason I switched to BMW is because they are making designs that are timeless, harmonious and sensible again. I would hate for them to start going the route of messy designs in the future. That said, compared to other manufacturers, I still find the F10's LCI features so far quite sleek, relatively speaking, but not as clean and sleek as pre-LCI. Quote: Originally posted by KoenG This is yet another confirmation of the direction BMW design is heading: nowhere at all. The fugly series 1, 5GT, X6 and 3GT where no isolated incidents I suppose. There is a model that is evolving and I don't like it. Oh man, I hope that's not where they're going! I let MB go because they have become a design team that seems to party too much and then get straight to work designing their next cars. I got really interested in BMW because I like the fact that they seem to design sleek classics in comparison. However, I don't like the F30's overly fussy front end (otherwise, I love the design), and I sure think the 5 GT, F20 and X6 are some of the ugliest cars of all time..
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| 211987 (984hp) | here is my problem, i can be removed from my m3 lease without penalty if i get into the current 2013 5 series, should i wait for the new one in 2014, will it be more expensive? I don't know what to do.....
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| hancock (641hp) | All this, motivated by a recent thread about steering in sport mode and the fact that questions about these driving modes seem to crop up regularly, I thought it might be interesting to try recording these settings . I started filling out an Excel spreadsheet listing the drive modes and their effects on the gearbox, throttle, steering, DSC and ASS. I am basing this on my experiences with my 2012 530d msport with passive suspension and am aware that there are other combinations such as adaptive suspension. This is my point of view, so obviously shout out if you think I have something incorrect or missing something. I'm not sure the best way to show this, I don't think we can attach Excel files so we initially posted them as an image. I thought this might (once finished with additional entries) be a good reference for those who already own an F10 and those who have just purchased one trying to figure out what all the possibilities are! Some explanations. I have listed in the first column the driving modes, ecopro, comfort, sport and sport+ - some people will have less or additional modes depending on the equipment. I also listed the same mode but this time with the shifter in D/S mode (to the left) for manual gear changes. again assumes an automatic gearbox. The rest should be obvious. In the case of ASS, if the car is in D/S mode, ASS will not trigger even if it is activated because it is one of the parameters that prevents it from doing so (with approx. 10 possible reasons). Comments are welcome and additions/edits
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| evil123 (232hp) | I think line 4 has an error with the sport setting, the DTC is only activated in my car in sport + mode. This topic is interesting, because we clearly have differences depending on the versions and construction dates. I'm pre ECO PRO, so I have a "normal" setting/mode. Observations in my car. Quote: 1. Even if my car is configured in chassis only and I switch to sport +, the automatic transmission automatically switches to the sport program when shifting gears. I have the sport automatic version (SAT), not sure if the same applies to the standard automatic version. 2. You drive in sport mode and deactivate DSC (long hold), the car “automatically” returns to normal mode by default. You can't drive hard with DSC off, it controls your driving mode and overrides the settings. I expand on the first point... I was in my car the other day (after a comment on another forum), so I experimented a little more, to see if in my car there were any noticeable differences in sport mode, and I move the stick towards DS. Everything I explained in the previous description is correct, but add the following, which I thought happened, but confirmed this morning. Quote: OK, so I'm in sport mode and traveling at 50 - 60 mph, with transmission + chassis configured before switching to sport (or I can do it in real time when the screen appears and I have the option to configure). I noticed that the gearbox shifts to 7th when switching to sport mode and the accelerator becomes more sensitive. Now I shift the lever to DS and the gearbox shifts down one gear, I am now in 6th. So there is a change in the programming. If I'm in sport with the stick in D and then switch to sport+ and switch to DS, the same thing happens, it drops back to 6th. I also note that if I am in normal mode and I press the stick, the 2 speeds will drop at once. HighlandPete
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| kalina (57hp) | I think you are right about line 4 and have fixed it. It seems like the setup is quite complex when you add all the combinations. The manual doesn't really go into as much detail as we would like in these forums. I wonder if BMW has a technical article on the subject?
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| 1fish2fish (356hp) | Has Sport+ only been available on SAT cars for the duration of F10 so far? I now know that this is the case on 2013 cars..
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| pennywise1 (468hp) | Quote: Originally posted by KA Sport+ Has it only been available on SAT cars for the duration of F10 so far? I now know that on 2013 cars this is the case. I have a 2011 without a sport automatic transmission and it has sport+ mode. Sport+ always activates the transmission+chassis+ DTC. I didn't find any difference in shifting between activating the transmission in sport, selecting sport + or flicking the stick to DS. So the additional mode 2 down described above when moving the stick could be a feature of the sports automatic transmission..
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| granny3 (308hp) | Thanks, I was trying to do some testing to set up something similar. You made my life easier. I would make a note at the top for activating cruise control: the gearbox will switch to automatic mode even if d/s mode is selected. I also think the car behaves slightly differently in cruise mode, but I don't know what the difference exactly is..
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| Aeroav8r (358hp) | Quote: Originally posted by eripers I have a 2011 model without a sport automatic transmission and it has sport+ mode. Sport+ always activates the transmission+chassis+ DTC. I didn't find any difference in shifting between activating the transmission in sport, selecting sport + or flicking the stick to DS. So the additional mode 2 down described above when moving the stick could be a feature of the sports automatic transmission. Maybe on 2013 models you'll need SAT, or a drivetrain or suspension option to get it. I know I've heard that even with the M Sport package, at least in 2013, you don't automatically get the Sport option +..
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| pretender (35hp) | Quote: Originally posted by KA Maybe on 2013s you need an SAT, or a drivetrain or suspension option to get it. I know I've heard that even with the M Sport Package, at least in 2013, you don't automatically get the Sport+ option. You need DDC to get Sport+ for 2013. For Msport passive susp, there is no Sport+.
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| nicole98 (96hp) | Ah, ok, that makes sense. So you need either SAT (which I have and I have Sport +), or DDC to have Sport +.
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| out (503hp) | I have Sport+ mode (I have DDC) and I don't have SAT. So I guess it's just a DDC thing..
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| naples1 (469hp) | I have revised the spreadsheet and asked others to fill in the gaps as I don't have DDC on my car so I'm not sure of the effects. I hope this proves useful to both current owners and those considering new cars? Otherwise I will give up!
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| spades (384hp) | All this, motivated by a recent thread about steering in sport mode and the fact that questions about these driving modes seem to crop up regularly, I thought it might be interesting to try recording these settings . I started filling out an Excel spreadsheet listing the drive modes and their effects on the gearbox, throttle, steering, DSC and ASS. I am basing this on my experiences with my 2012 530d msport with passive suspension and am aware that there are other combinations such as adaptive suspension. This is my point of view, so obviously shout out if you think I have something incorrect or missing something. I'm not sure the best way to show this, I don't think we can attach Excel files so we initially posted them as an image. I thought this might (once finished with additional entries) be a good reference for those who already own an F10 and those who have just purchased one trying to figure out what all the possibilities are! Some explanations. I have listed in the first column the driving modes, ecopro, comfort, sport and sport+ - some people will have less or additional modes depending on the equipment. I also listed the same mode but this time with the shifter in D/S mode (to the left) for manual gear changes. again assumes an automatic gearbox. The rest should be obvious. In the case of ASS, if the car is in D/S mode, ASS will not trigger even if it is activated because it is one of the parameters that prevents it from doing so (with approx. 10 possible reasons). Comments are welcome and additions/edits
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| cinders (64hp) | I think line 4 has an error with the sport setting, the DTC is only activated in my car in sport + mode. This topic is interesting, because we clearly have differences depending on the versions and construction dates. I'm pre ECO PRO, so I have a "normal" setting/mode. Observations in my car. Quote: 1. Even if my car is configured in chassis only and I switch to sport +, the automatic transmission automatically switches to the sport program when shifting gears. I have the sport automatic version (SAT), not sure if the same applies to the standard automatic version. 2. You drive in sport mode and deactivate DSC (long hold), the car “automatically” returns to normal mode by default. You can't drive hard with DSC off, it controls your driving mode and overrides the settings. I expand on the first point... I was in my car the other day (after a comment on another forum), so I experimented a little more, to see if in my car there were any noticeable differences in sport mode, and I move the stick towards DS. Everything I explained in the previous description is correct, but add the following, which I thought happened, but confirmed this morning. Quote: OK, so I'm in sport mode and traveling at 50 - 60 mph, with transmission + chassis configured before switching to sport (or I can do it in real time when the screen appears and I have the option to configure). I noticed that the gearbox shifts to 7th when switching to sport mode and the accelerator becomes more sensitive. Now I shift the lever to DS and the gearbox shifts down one gear, I am now in 6th. So there is a change in the programming. If I'm in sport with the stick in D and then switch to sport+ and switch to DS, the same thing happens, it drops back to 6th. I also note that if I am in normal mode and I press the stick, the 2 speeds will drop at once. HighlandPete
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| ping123 (828hp) | I think you are right about line 4 and have fixed it. It seems like the setup is quite complex when you add all the combinations. The manual doesn't really go into as much detail as we would like in these forums. I wonder if BMW has a technical article on the subject?
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| 770077 (533hp) | Has Sport+ only been available on SAT cars for the duration of F10 so far? I now know that this is the case on 2013 cars..
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| 8x2h4Eddan (919hp) | Quote: Originally posted by KA Sport+ Has it only been available on SAT cars for the duration of F10 so far? I now know that on 2013 cars this is the case. I have a 2011 without a sport automatic transmission and it has sport+ mode. Sport+ always activates the transmission+chassis+ DTC. I didn't find any difference in shifting between activating the transmission in sport, selecting sport + or flicking the stick to DS. So the additional mode 2 down described above when moving the stick could be a feature of the sports automatic transmission..
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| 21111977 (279hp) | Thanks, I was trying to do some testing to set up something similar. You made my life easier. I would make a note at the top for activating cruise control: the gearbox will switch to automatic mode even if d/s mode is selected. I also think the car behaves slightly differently in cruise mode, but I don't know what the difference exactly is..
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| lightsaber (820hp) | Quote: Originally posted by eripers I have a 2011 model without a sport automatic transmission and it has sport+ mode. Sport+ always activates the transmission+chassis+ DTC. I didn't find any difference in shifting between activating the transmission in sport, selecting sport + or flicking the stick to DS. Thus, the additional 2 down mode described above when moving the stick could be a feature of the sports automatic transmission. Maybe on 2013 models you'll need SAT, or a drivetrain or suspension option to get it. I know I've heard that even with the M Sport package, at least in 2013, you don't automatically get the Sport option +..
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| 161082 (117hp) | Quote: Originally posted by KA Maybe on 2013s you need an SAT, or a drivetrain or suspension option to get it. I know I've heard that even with the M Sport Package, at least in 2013, you don't automatically get the Sport+ option. You need DDC to get Sport+ for 2013. For Msport passive susp, there is no Sport+.
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| ginger123 (664hp) | Ah, ok, that makes sense. So you need either SAT (which I have and I have Sport +), or DDC to have Sport +.
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| tinatina (134hp) | I have Sport+ mode (I have DDC) and I don't have SAT. So I guess it's just a DDC thing..
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| increase (764hp) | I have revised the spreadsheet and asked others to fill in the gaps as I don't have DDC on my car so I'm not sure of the effects. I hope this proves useful to both current owners and those considering new cars? Otherwise I will give up!
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| 10051987 (835hp) | I'm expecting my 535i to be delivered next week. I asked my dealer to adjust the ASS so they remember their last setting before picking it up, and was told they won't do it until you have the car for a while , so you've gotten used to having to do it. turn it off all the time. Is it real?
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| brad (615hp) | Oui
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