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| qwe123rty456 (417hp) | the problem is having functionality on the dashboard. The E39 was pretty good. If the surface is the same you won't really notice it, but things like the speakers stand out. Ultimately, BMW isn't going to change this, so love it or bundle it.
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| kimberly7 (835hp) | Quote: Originally published by AP Ultimately, BMW isn't going to change this, so love it or lump it. Here is a British example of the problem. http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/an...-in-windscreen Honest John's response is a bit more diplomatic. Quote: If you persuade your brain to ignore thinking, it won't bother you. That's how everyone gets by. HighlandPete
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| kelly2 (608hp) | Quote: Originally posted by HighlandPete The best comment I've read came from an auto glazier. Look through the windshield, not on it. HighlandPete Exactly. If you focus on the windshield, it will be more distracting. What you should do is look through the windshield. The glare bothered me at first when I heard about it, then I realized my other 2 cars were doing the same thing, I just never noticed it.
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| Master12 (426hp) | I'm currently sitting in my home office, with my E91 parked outside. I can see through the side window and at windshield level, the entire dashboard is reflected in the screen, the air vents particularly visible. I'm a little higher than if I were sitting in the car. If I lower my head and look, the reflection practically disappears. This got me thinking...does the driving position make it worse for some? Sitting too high, too low? HighlandPete
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| 190383 (122hp) | Quote: Posted by HighlandPete I'm a little higher than if I was sitting in the car. If I lower my head and look, the reflection practically disappears. This got me thinking...does the driving position make it worse for some? Sitting too high, too low? HighlandPete This may have some effect, but I don't think it has as much to do with other variables, the most important being the angle of the sun. I also have 2 pairs of sunglasses in the car, one I only wear for driving and the other for walking around town. The ones for driving are the darkest polarized lenses that Oakley makes Black Iridium Polarized. Other sunglasses are not polarized and I can't use them for driving because the glare is very bad compared to polarized glasses.
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| bol (378hp) | I put a non-slip rubber mat on it, and it works wonderfully - almost completely reduces the glare
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| dairymilk (756hp) | I will call the BMW parts department tomorrow to request the rubber dashboard mat. I know they won't know what I'm talking about, but I'll let you know what their answer is. Almost 2 weeks now since I took delivery and yes........ I'm getting used to the reflection but still getting so angry. I think my problem is that my previous M Sport was totally spotless, with no reflections at all, which begs the question why add one on the new design. It's interesting that there are so many posts about this thinking and so many interesting ideas on how to overcome it...it just shows that it's a design problem. Anyway....nice and cloudy today, so good driving !!!
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| ///FCB (432hp) | BMW sells a rubber dashboard mat? Before putting a rubber product on your dashboard, make sure the material will not melt into your dashboard. I saw a rubber product leave an imprint on the dashboard from the heat..
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| Ikelex (975hp) | I just got the F10 and yes there are some reflections on the dash speaker but it has no impact on the way I drive. Generally, when you're driving, you shouldn't focus on something so myopic to begin with. If so, there are bigger problems here.
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| gwada971 (222hp) | Quote: Posted by The X Men BMW sells a rubber dashboard mat? Before putting a rubber product on your dashboard, make sure the material will not melt into your dashboard. I have seen rubber products leave an indentation in the dashboard from the heat. No, I think he was referring to my post...I used my own non-slip rubber mat from Halfords (car spares) Fits exactly and stays in place...
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| 01031988 (70hp) | Seriously>,>,>,>,>,BMW designers, you need to take a new 5 series for a drive in the sun through the countryside and admit you got the design wrong!! I did it today and I didn't drive safely!!
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| nirvana8 (824hp) | Quote: Originally posted by buddybmw Seriously>,>,>,>,>,BMW designers need to take a new 5 series for a drive in the sun through the countryside and admit you got the design wrong!! I did this today and I didn't drive safely!! If you really think it's that dangerous, file a complaint with the MOT and sell the car. Driving a car you consider dangerous is madness.
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| 04081989 (193hp) | well, after leaving an E39 530i msport that I had new for 10 years, I think the reflections are one of the 2 big mistakes BMW made with the F10. The other is the lack of feedback on driving which is well documented in these forums. I thought the E39 was pretty much a perfect car, which was the main reason I kept it for 10 years. Only one problem at that time, just before I sold it, was a broken alternator, other than that, not a single problem. It was obvious that a lot of thought had gone into its design. With the F10, don't get me wrong, it's an improvement overall. But the 2 “features” I would change would be the dashboard and steering/handling. If they were anything like the E39 it would be a pretty much perfect car, better than the E39 in fact. I have to admit that when I decided to buy the F10, I was concerned about the afterthoughts and wondered if it was something that would bother me. As I now have over 2000 miles on the odometer with the car I can say it doesn't bother me but that doesn't mean it isn't noticeable. It's worse with the sun in front of the car and barley noticeable with the sun lower in the sky behind the car. I don't know if having the HUD means the windshield reflections are different for a car that doesn't have it? I also have the climate comfort windshield but I don't think that has any bearing on the subject.
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| lilangel (638hp) | The reflection is a little distracting, but dangerous? It's not.
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| 241282 (168hp) | polarized glasses make all the difference.
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| razvod (423hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Asiann Polarized glasses make all the difference. Indeed, even if you look like a rooster.
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| Marlonvb (607hp) | My retired E60 was worse than my F10 or I'm just used to it and see through the reflections. No HUD.
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| mattmatt (547hp) | Quote: Originally posted by buddybmw Seriously>,>,>,>,>,BMW designers need to take a new 5 series for a drive in the sun through the countryside and admit you got the design wrong!! I did this today and I didn't drive safely!! Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 If you really think it's that dangerous, file a complaint with the MOT and sell the car. Driving a car that you consider dangerous is crazy. Yes, sell, if you think it's that bad. I've driven 4 different F10/11 models (all without HUD) and I don't see this issue as any different than most cars. My e91 has some reflections, if I pay attention to it. As I've seen in other threads, some people didn't know there was a problem until it was talked about and now it's become a problem, they can't get it out of their head. I hope the OP is successful in testing other brands, as this problem has been around for years and affects many brands. Volvo, Lexus, Honda, Vauxhall, Alfa, Porsche, Toyota, practically every French car, you can go on and on. Just Google the problem and see how widespread it is. There are ways to cover the dashboard, as you will discover if you look. I remember a work colleague, years ago, had a Citroën BX that he loved, but because it had bad dashboard reflections on the screen in certain driving conditions lighting. It seems that Citroën is still struggling with the same problems according to some users. The best review I've read came from an auto glazier. Look through the windshield, not on it. HighlandPete
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| tugboat1 (699hp) | the problem is having functionality on the dashboard. The E39 was pretty good. If the surface is the same you won't really notice it, but things like the speakers stand out. Ultimately, BMW isn't going to change this, so love it or bundle it.
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| 28121976 (129hp) | Quote: Originally published by AP Ultimately, BMW isn't going to change this, so love it or lump it. Here is a British example of the problem. http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/an...-in-windscreen Honest John's response is a bit more diplomatic. Quote: If you persuade your brain to ignore thinking, it won't bother you. That's how everyone gets by. HighlandPete
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| tijger (436hp) | Quote: Originally posted by HighlandPete The best comment I've read came from an auto glazier. Look through the windshield, not on it. HighlandPete Exactly. If you focus on the windshield, it will be more distracting. What you should do is look through the windshield. The glare bothered me at first when I heard about it, then I realized my other 2 cars were doing the same thing, I just never noticed it.
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| stacee (965hp) | I'm currently sitting in my home office, with my E91 parked outside. I can see through the side window and at windshield level, the entire dashboard is reflected in the screen, the air vents particularly visible. I'm a little higher than if I were sitting in the car. If I lower my head and look, the reflection practically disappears. This got me thinking...does the driving position make it worse for some? Sitting too high, too low? HighlandPete
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| Vahan1v (438hp) | Quote: Posted by HighlandPete I'm a little higher than if I was sitting in the car. If I lower my head and look, the reflection practically disappears. This got me thinking...does the driving position make it worse for some? Sitting too high, too low? HighlandPete This may have some effect, but I don't think it has as much to do with other variables, the most important being the angle of the sun. I also have 2 pairs of sunglasses in the car, one I only wear for driving and the other for walking around town. The ones for driving are the darkest polarized lenses that Oakley makes Black Iridium Polarized. Other sunglasses are not polarized and I can't use them for driving because the glare is very bad compared to polarized glasses.
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| zaneta (97hp) | I put a non-slip rubber mat on it, and it works wonderfully - almost completely reduces the glare
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| success11 (731hp) | I will call the BMW parts department tomorrow to request the rubber dashboard mat. I know they won't know what I'm talking about, but I'll let you know what their answer is. Almost 2 weeks now since I took delivery and yes........ I'm getting used to the reflection but still getting so angry. I think my problem is that my previous M Sport was totally spotless, with no reflections at all, which begs the question why add one on the new design. It's interesting that there are so many posts about this thinking and so many interesting ideas on how to overcome it...it just shows that it's a design problem. Anyway....nice and cloudy today, so good driving !!!
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| dan1234 (391hp) | BMW sells a rubber dashboard mat? Before putting a rubber product on your dashboard, make sure the material will not melt into your dashboard. I saw a rubber product leave an imprint on the dashboard from the heat..
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| 02091995 (712hp) | I just got the F10 and yes there are some reflections on the dash speaker but it has no impact on the way I drive. Generally, when you're driving, you shouldn't focus on something so myopic to begin with. If so, there are bigger problems here.
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| lupin (368hp) | Quote: Posted by The X Men BMW sells a rubber dashboard mat? Before putting a rubber product on your dashboard, make sure the material will not melt into your dashboard. I have seen rubber products leave an indentation in the dashboard from the heat. No, I think he was referring to my post...I used my own non-slip rubber mat from Halfords (car spares) Fits exactly and stays in place...
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| makeitso (618hp) | The car was not ordered...was in stock at the dealer...Production date will more than likely be March...was delivered to the dealer on 4/13. I'm not sure about the new global update/software update...what version/firmware under the drive is displayed???
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| michael11 (85hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mpriceii The car was not ordered...was in stock at the dealer....Production date will more than likely be in March...was delivered to the dealer on 4/13 I am not sure about the new global update/software update...what version/firmware under the drive is it showing??? Thanks for the info. Mine will have a May build date. I don't know how to find software version on idrive. I currently have an Audi a6 and it is very easy to find your software version. This will be my first BMW.
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| happy2be (28hp) | well done. looks tight mate
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| ahmed_orudzhov (147hp) | Sleeper! Very pleasant.
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| harley00 (556hp) | Nice ride, I also had a little pull to the right. I came back for the alignment and the dealer said it was aligned to spec, but it kept drifting to the right. Very light but still boring. I took it back to the dealership and had a technician manually align it instead of keeping it within BMW's stated parameters because the alignment machine is programmed for each model. The drift subsequently disappeared. The technician said the alignment machine would read it as within spec, based on the information provided in the alignment machine by BMW on the alignment settings, but he couldn't rely on that, he said. so mirrored the front with the rear or something and changed it manually based on what he was seeing on the computer...anyway the car has been driving absolutely straight ever since.
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| jochen (772hp) | I finally finished the mods!!! http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthre...1#post12530964
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| 120181 (752hp) | Quote: Originally posted by TCruiser I heard Dinan has a 15-20% off sale once a year... I would love to get the Stage 2 when that happens. Does anyone know the details or how can I find out more when selling? THANKS! The car looks great!! But I also ask myself the same question... Does anyone have any news about Dinan sales? It seems crazy to care about a few hundred dollars considering how much it costs to drive this beast, but since I rent, something bothers me about spending money. I will of course! LOL! But if I could get 15% off, the guilt factor would go down.
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| Simon6 (487hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mpriceii Finally off to the office to post some pics.....finished adding the painted reflectors and side trim this weekend...looks great with... ..The M5 spoiler and front/rear CF parts are in transit.....I will post more when everything is added.....How and where did you get your rims painted. How much did it cost. It looks awesome.
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| bunkerb (325hp) | A guy in the Classic BMW parking lot will do them for you in a day. $150 for each wheel, mounted and balanced in the color of your choice...that might make them cheaper for a cash price. No need to go through a dealership...I think his name is Brian..white tent in west parking lot
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| Wolves (656hp) | The car was not ordered...was in stock at the dealer...Production date will more than likely be March...was delivered to the dealer on 4/13. I'm not sure about the new global update/software update...what version/firmware under the drive is displayed???
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| younes (111hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mpriceii The car was not ordered...was in stock at the dealer....Production date will more than likely be in March...was delivered to the dealer on 04/13 I am not sure about the new global update/software update...what version/firmware under the drive is it showing??? Thanks for the info. Mine will have a May build date. I don't know how to find software version on idrive. I currently have an Audi a6 and it is very easy to find your software version. This will be my first BMW.
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| poroto (73hp) | well done. looks tight mate
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| XTS (816hp) | Sleeper! Very pleasant.
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| p3rat54797 (694hp) | Nice ride, I also had a little pull to the right. I came back for the alignment and the dealer said it was aligned to spec, but it kept drifting to the right. Very light but still boring. I took it back to the dealership and had a technician manually align it instead of keeping it within BMW's stated parameters because the alignment machine is programmed for each model. The drift subsequently disappeared. The technician said the alignment machine would read it as within spec, based on the information provided in the alignment machine by BMW on the alignment settings, but he couldn't rely on that, he said. so mirrored the front with the rear or something and changed it manually based on what he was seeing on the computer...anyway the car has been driving absolutely straight ever since.
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| add123 (291hp) | I finally finished the mods!!! http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthre...1#post12530964
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| basketball23 (622hp) | Quote: Originally posted by TCruiser I heard Dinan has a 15-20% off sale once a year... I would love to get the Stage 2 when that happens. Does anyone know the details or how can I find out more when selling? THANKS! The car looks great!! But I also ask myself the same question... Does anyone have any news about Dinan sales? It seems crazy to care about a few hundred dollars considering how much it costs to drive this beast, but since I rent, something bothers me about spending money. I will of course! LOL! But if I could get 15% off, the guilt factor would go down.
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| JayeJaymes (926hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mpriceii Finally off to the office to post some pics.....finished adding the painted reflectors and side trim this weekend...looks great with... ..The M5 spoiler and front/rear CF parts are in transit.....I will post more when everything is added.....How and where did you get your rims painted. How much did it cost. It looks awesome.
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| andrea16 (546hp) | A guy in the Classic BMW parking lot will do them for you in a day. $150 for each wheel, mounted and balanced in the color of your choice...that might make them cheaper for a cash price. No need to go through a dealership...I think his name is Brian..white tent in west parking lot
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| yxelik (144hp) | If you plan to be in Germany soon (TDY or station), military sales has about 40 demo cars that they are trying to get rid of at discounted prices. PM me if you want more info.
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| cxzdsaewq (756hp) | If you plan to be in Germany soon (TDY or station), military sales has about 40 demo cars that they are trying to get rid of at discounted prices. PM me if you want more info.
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| joaopaulo (910hp) | As more and more automakers shed weight on their new models, it seems that all BMW models remain the heaviest in their class. We saw that Porsche was leading the way with its extensive use of aluminum and Audi was following [duh]. I recently read that the redesigned 2013 Range Rover heading to the United States lost 700 pounds, thanks to an all-aluminum unibody structure. It is undeniable that BMW wants to catch up by deciding to widely use carbon fiber in the upcoming 7th generation series. A quick glance at the curb weights of these vehicles is mind-numbing. BMW 535: Curb weight – Automatic transmission 4090 lbs BMW 535xi: Curb weight – Automatic transmission 4233 lbs Audi A6: Curb weight – Automatic transmission 4045 lbs. BMW 550Xi: Curb weight – Automatic transmission 4519 lbs Audi S6: curb weight – Curb weight 4398 lbs BMW M5: curb weight 4288 lbs!!! BMW 135i: Curb weight 3373 (3439) lbs Boxter S: Curb weight 2910 lbs Carrera 991 S Curb weight 3120 [lighter than 135i!!!] Did BMW intentionally stick to heavier bodies for make them stronger... in other words, do heavier bodies mean stronger cars? If the answer is no… how could BMW have ignored this fact. Did it not strike them when they signed off on the M5 production plans or did they just think... hey, let's build our fastest sports luxury sedan with the best technology we have and let -it weighs approximately 4,300 pounds. I hope the next Series X doesn't follow this questionable path.
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| horsey1 (190hp) | We can speculate all we want about why BMW did what it did, but the truth is that no one knows. The good news is that BMW recognizes there is a problem and is fixing it.
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| leipzig (987hp) | They are on track to sell around 60,000 5 Series in the US this year if sales remain stable. Year-to-date sales are up 13% compared to last year. From what I can gather, global sales are also strong. So while some enthusiasts may view the 5 Series as a failure, I doubt the BMW company would see it that way with the good sales numbers being released. Still, with fuel economy and emissions regulations tightening, I would expect BMW to address the weight issue in upcoming generations of the 5 Series as well as other models. But safety standards are also continually being tightened, with consumers demanding more and more from equipment, which means the use of more exotic materials, which inevitably leads to higher prices..
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| 170576 (670hp) | Quote: Originally posted by luvthestck If the answer is no...how could BMW have ignored this fact. Did it not strike them when they signed off on the M5 production plans or did they just think... hey, let's build our fastest sports luxury sedan with the best technology we have and let -it weighs approximately 4,300 pounds. . The Porsche Panamera Turbo weighs 4,343, and the M5 doesn't look like a misshapen potato, so let's compare apples to apples here..
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| 19021902 (711hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 The Porsche Panamera Turbo weighs 4,343, and the M5 doesn't look like a misshapen potato, so let's compare apples to apples here. The Panamera turbo was released 3 years before the M5. This is also something to consider. Technology and necessities are evolving at a faster pace these days. BMW is a more generic car maker [lower price bracket, i.e. more fuel economy] compared to Porsche and I guess they need to consider weight saving measures more [than Porsche] IMO. I could be wrong, as some might argue that Porsche, as a sports car manufacturer, needs to work more on weight reduction measures. If BMW was prepared to draw criticism by abandoning its famous hydraulic steering at EPAS by saying it was toughening fuel economy and emissions regulations... I have a hard time that R&D ignores the most obvious reasons. But I'm also curious whether the new generation lighter vehicles are less safer than BMW's. I wonder if BMW doesn't have the technology to make safer and lighter cars. I'm pretty sure Audi could pull off this feat by borrowing technology from its exotic brethren. I ask this because the 6 series was a much newer model than the F10 and yet is sailing in the same boat..
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| dlbrooks18 (715hp) | Quote: Originally posted by luvthestck The Panamera turbo came out 3 years before the M5. This is also something to consider. Technology and necessities are evolving at a faster pace these days. So why are you comparing a 6 year old 135i to a 2012 991S? You can't choose which cars to compare are right for you.
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| june13 (706hp) | Lol, I'm not here to argue, but you're definitely right (the 997/997? were still almost equal to or lighter than the 135). I guess weight wasn't a big issue 5 years ago.... ..What I'm trying to say is what was BMW thinking when they introduced these heavy car models in 2012. I was just curious if there was a valid reason behind this or if the engineers just missed the boat..
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| finest1 (494hp) | Weight has been a problem for many years and it is not a recent problem. If you look at the different models over time, you'll see that there has been a long-standing shift towards larger, heavier cars. For example, the new 3 series now has the same external measurements as the first gen 5 series. Stronger bodies for better crash structure, better handling and better NVH control also add weight. My first car was a mid-size (euro) Ford that weighed about 2,500 pounds. The comparable Ford model today weighs around 1,600 kg. The difference is quite big, but so is the difference between the two cars (interior, equipment, refinement, etc., etc.). The difference between an E60 and F10 5 Series is also very visible and BMW uses a lot of aluminum in the 5 Series (the front structure from the bulkhead and forward). And going all-aluminum is probably still a bit too expensive to justify on a car that also has to be priced competitively like a 520d (and not just like a 550i/M5, etc.). The Mercedes E-Class is heavier than the 5 series by the way. (at least some models - I haven't checked all of them).
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| gold44 (697hp) | If a fit driver drove the car, it improves the driving dynamics and MPG of the car, compared to the fat one. I'm just saying.
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| happyman1 (61hp) | Quote: Posted by luvthestck Lol I'm not here to argue, but you're definitely right (the 997/997 was still almost equal to or lighter than the 135). I can imagine weight wasn't a big issue back then, about 5 years ago...... What I'm trying to say is what was BMW thinking when they introduced these heavy duty car models in 2012. I was just curious if there was a valid reason behind this or if the engineers missed the boat. While I agree that the F10 is too heavy, it was a business decision to make the car more of a luxury vehicle than a sports vehicle, so that was intentional. You can't have auto-closing doors, dynamic damper control, heated and massaging seats, active roll stabilization and a power tailgate without having to sacrifice something. Keep in mind that this is the only car in its class that you can still get a manual transmission (in North America, I'm not sure about Europe).).
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| lovely09 (906hp) | Having owned a 2012 A6 and an F10, I can tell you that the BMW is heavier due to the extra sound insulation and its solid feel. For those who prefer a strong, quiet car to a lighter car, the F10 is the obvious choice between the two..
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| cnkjr (336hp) | Quote: Originally published by The For those who prefer a solid, quiet car over a lighter one, the F10 is the obvious choice between the two. I know what you mean about soundproofing. However, I think this was mainly due to the tires. I felt that a lot of the noise on the highway was due to the Sport Package's 19-inch Pirelli which are summer tires and made a lot of noise and could get very harsh on poor road conditions. The 18 standards with Conti all season were much quieter. However, they didn't look as good. Personally, and we don't talk about it in the press, it's the seats of the two cars that constitute the biggest difference. The BMW features: 18-way multi-contour front seats, including an articulated upper backrest and adjustable thigh support. You can also order Nappa leather, heated, cooled and massaged. The Audi seat is only 8 way adjustable, they are also heated and cooled, but the seat cushions are too flat and some parts of the seat are vinyl..
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| madeline1 (403hp) | Quote: Posted by gatoman39 I know what you mean about soundproofing. However, I think this was mainly due to the tires. I felt that a lot of the noise on the highway was due to the Sport Package's 19-inch Pirelli which are summer tires and made a lot of noise and could get very harsh on poor road conditions. The 18 standards with Conti all season were much quieter. However, they didn't look as good. Personally, and we don't talk about it in the press, it's the seats of the two cars that constitute the biggest difference. The BMW features: 18-way multi-contour front seats, including an articulated upper backrest and adjustable thigh support. You can also order Nappa leather, heated, cooled and massaged. The Audi seat is only 8 way adjustable, they are also heated and cooled, but the seats are too flat and some parts of the seat are vinyl. I also had 18 conti tires on my A6, the F10 is a bit quieter and more stable at highway speeds than the A6. The multi-contour seat was a must have for me when I bought my F10, I got it as a standalone option. The vinyl on the Audi seats didn't bother me as much as the comfort aspect. I sometimes get slight back pain after taking the A6 on long journeys. To the extent that the F10 is a failure according to the OP, I completely disagree. The heavier build and luxurious feel of the F10 are two of the main reasons I bought the F10.10.
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| hawaii123 (977hp) | I drove the F10 M5 on a track during the M Experience event, and frankly, it's way too heavy, it feels like a truck race. So as a cruiser the F10 might be fine, but its weight is just too much. Now, driving a Ferrari, a Lamborghini, and a FORD GT with ridiculous horsepower (900+ hp) doesn't make me the expected average driver, but I definitely have mixed feelings about my car's arrival. Due to company policy I opted for a loaded 528i xdrive rather than more sound power equipment, perhaps with a Burger Tune and a lighter engine it might make sense, but... We'll see... BMW definitely needs lessons from Lotus' Chapman... Weight is a chore...
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| viper69 (608hp) | Quote: Originally published by The X Men I also had 18 conti tires on my A6, the F10 is a bit quieter and more stable at highway speeds than the A6. The multi-contour seat was a must have for me when I bought my F10, I got it as a standalone option. The vinyl on the Audi seats didn't bother me as much as the comfort aspect. I sometimes get slight back pain after taking the A6 on long journeys. To the extent that the F10 is a failure according to the OP, I completely disagree. The heavier build and luxurious feel of the F10 are two of the main reasons I bought the F10. I was talking about BMW cars in general. I didn't intend to single out the F10. There is no competition between the A6 and the F10 when it comes to comfort. The A6's seats for its price range are a disgrace. I'm looking to replace them. my family vehicle and I am interested in the F10/07. I wanted to make sure that weight would be a qualifying advantage, ie. more stability at highway speeds, as you mentioned. I just felt like either BMW had gone in a different direction or they were genuinely ignorant about the importance of limiting the weight of their vehicles this time around. I hope they find the right balance next time before it's too late. But pumping the M6 and M5 in 2012 with these curb weights is simply a mistake or arrogance on the part of BMW [when they knew that its direct competitors were showing their advantage].
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| smokey07 (126hp) | Quote: Originally posted by luvthestck I was talking about BMW cars in general. I didn't intend to single out the F10. There is no competition between the A6 and the F10 when it comes to comfort. The A6's seats for its price range are a disgrace. .I'm looking to replace my family vehicle and am interested in the F10/07. I wanted to make sure that weight would be a qualifying advantage, ie. more stability at highway speeds, as you mentioned. I just felt like either BMW had gone in a different direction or they were genuinely ignorant about the importance of limiting the weight of their vehicles this time around. I hope they find the right balance next time before it's too late. But pumping the M6 and M5 in 2012 with these curb weights is simply a mistake or arrogance on the part of BMW [when they knew that its direct competitors were showing their advantage]. Well, if you look at your first post, the S6 still weighs over 100 pounds more than the M5. If you'd ever driven the A6 and 535xi back to back, you would have thought the A6 was maybe 300 to 400 pounds lighter, not the 180 pounds or so according to spec. The A6 is much more nimble and takes off much quicker, the A6's powertrain makes the car feel lighter. The 5 Series, having a much more solid feel, also makes it feel heavier when driven. The Japanese have been making lightweight vehicles for a long time, would you say that most Japanese cars don't feel as strong as German cars? I'm all for making cars lighter, but not at the expense of a fragile car, rattles or noise..
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| webalizer (728hp) | If you look at the weights of the previous Series 5, you will see that there is not a linear increase in weight like many think. The E34 530i weighed about 3,700 pounds, then its replacement, the E39 530i, weighed 3,550 pounds. So this shows that they are using new technologies to adapt to new safety regulations as they become cost-effective. The next 5er will use a lot of carbon fiber, so I expect the weight to be significantly reduced..
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| nostradamus (53hp) | I agree for the most part. My 2011 535i - 4090 lbs Jaguar XJ (V8) - 4045 lbs (bigger car with a V8) My Jaguar to a wider audience. people-oriented cars vs. performance-oriented cars (most people don't like heavy steering and stiff suspension). I thought that since BMW was largely a family business (42%), they wouldn't worry about every extra cent like typical management (BMW earned 4.3 EUR per share in 2006 compared to 7.01 EUR per share in 2006). 2011)
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| jessica7 (279hp) | The F10 is the first 5 series to have what I call acceptable safety, the E60 received lower scores than any cheap Renault or Toyota at EuroNCAP. For me, this is not acceptable. BMW's goal is probably not to use the strongest steel in its products like Volvo does. BMW is the company that makes the most money, so clearly we don't care about this issue.
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| ochoa1 (608hp) | Quote: Originally published by Estimation Prophet They are on pace to sell around 60,000 5 Series in the US this year if sales remain stable. Year-to-date sales are up 13% compared to last year. From what I can gather, global sales are also strong. So while some enthusiasts may view the 5 Series as a failure, I doubt the BMW company would see it that way with the good sales numbers being released. Well said.
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| bobrik (308hp) | I view weight as only one element in the search for efficiency. There can be issues with lighter cars, which doesn't always suit the luxury segment. We start with user perceptions, such as a feeling of solidity in the car. Never mind the technical details like unsprung weight ratios. BMW engineers will be well aware of all the implications. I am confident that the design and development path was chosen and is not the result of a big mistake. Additionally, something like the F10, based on the F01 floor/technology of the 7 series, will have a major influence on the weight issue. The front suspension is more complex to achieve a more luxurious ride. The car is larger than the previous generation, which is probably a penalty simply from that fact alone. But when it comes to the F30, which has also increased in size, BMW engineers have kept technology similar to that of the E9x range and reduced the weight of the models a bit. And that has been said, we are not only looking at the sporty side of BMW here. Many BMW users want the balance to be shifted towards a luxury feel when driving the cars. Sales are holding up, showing that this decision is profitable. I know here in the UK most of the criticism against BMW is about the high price, the cars can lack refinement. The latest generations of the range take care of this. Ride quality isn't that critical in terms of weight, provided the suspension and unsprung weight receive enough attention. I have followed the weight debate in the auto industry for many years. When there is high demand for lighter vehicles, there is usually a slight backlash, as people find that lightweight family cars just don't feel premium enough. HighlandPete
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| 140290 (756hp) | HighlandPete said it's difficult to reduce weight when the F10 shares components with the 7 Series and Rolls Royal Ghost. Some might say that perception is 90% of the work. Well, the Series 5 feels heavy and most people associate heaviness with high quality. As for the F30, my opinion is that it feels light, as it should since it is a 3 series, but in terms of quality it feels about the same, if not worse, than the E90. There is no heavy use of aluminum in the F30 compared to the E90, in fact the front subframe has gone from aluminum to steel on the F30, the oil pan is now in plastic. The seats are thinner, the sound insulation is less and the interior panels are made of hard plastic. In my opinion, the F30 is a perfect example of what not to do when it comes to weight reduction..
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| Glowin (731hp) | As more and more automakers shed weight on their new models, it seems that all BMW models remain the heaviest in their class. We saw that Porsche was leading the way with its extensive use of aluminum and Audi was following [duh]. I recently read that the redesigned 2013 Range Rover headed to the United States lost 700 pounds, thanks to an all-aluminum unibody structure. It is undeniable that BMW wants to catch up by deciding to widely use carbon fiber in the upcoming 7th generation series. A quick glance at the curb weights of these vehicles is mind-numbing. BMW 535: Curb weight – Automatic transmission 4090 lbs BMW 535xi: Curb weight – Automatic transmission 4233 lbs Audi A6: Curb weight – Automatic transmission 4045 lbs. BMW 550Xi: Curb weight – Automatic transmission 4519 lbs Audi S6: curb weight – Curb weight 4398 lbs BMW M5: curb weight 4288 lbs!!! BMW 135i: Curb weight 3373 (3439) lbs Boxter S: Curb weight 2910 lbs Carrera 991 S Curb weight 3120 [lighter than 135i!!!] Did BMW intentionally stick to heavier bodies for make them stronger... in other words, do heavier bodies mean stronger cars? If the answer is no… how could BMW have ignored this fact. Didn't it hit them when they signed off on the M5 production plans or did they just think... hey, let's build our fastest sporty luxury sedan with the best technology we have and let -it weighs approximately 4,300 pounds. I hope the next Series X doesn't follow this questionable path.
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| forgetit1 (24hp) | We can speculate all we want about why BMW did what it did, but the truth is that no one knows. The good news is that BMW recognizes there is a problem and is fixing it.
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| hurensohn1 (12hp) | They are on track to sell around 60,000 5 Series in the US this year if sales remain stable. Year-to-date sales are up 13% compared to last year. From what I can gather, global sales are also strong. So while some enthusiasts may view the 5 Series as a failure, I doubt the BMW company would see it that way with the good sales numbers being released. Still, with fuel economy and emissions regulations tightening, I would expect BMW to address the weight issue in upcoming generations of the 5 Series as well as other models. But safety standards are also continually being raised, with ever-higher consumer expectations for equipment, meaning the use of more exotic materials, which inevitably leads to higher prices..
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| younglove1 (783hp) | Quote: Originally posted by luvthestck If the answer is no...how could BMW have ignored this fact. Did it not strike them when they signed off on the M5 production plans or did they just think... hey, let's build our fastest sports luxury sedan with the best technology we have and let -it weighs approximately 4,300 pounds. . The Porsche Panamera Turbo weighs 4,343, and the M5 doesn't look like a misshapen potato, so let's compare apples to apples here..
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| Wally Buca (570hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 The Porsche Panamera Turbo weighs 4,343, and the M5 doesn't look like a misshapen potato, so let's compare apples to apples here. The Panamera turbo was released 3 years before the M5. This is also something to consider. Technology and necessities are evolving at a faster pace these days. BMW is a more generic car maker [lower price bracket, i.e. more fuel economy] compared to Porsche and I guess they need to consider weight saving measures more [than Porsche] IMO. I could be wrong, as some might argue that Porsche, as a sports car manufacturer, needs to work more on weight reduction measures. If BMW was prepared to draw criticism by abandoning its famous hydraulic steering at EPAS by saying it was toughening fuel economy and emissions regulations... I have a hard time that R&D ignores the most obvious reasons. But I'm also curious whether the new generation lighter vehicles are less safer than BMW's. I wonder if BMW doesn't have the technology to make safer and lighter cars. I'm pretty sure Audi could pull off this feat by borrowing technology from its exotic brethren. I ask this because the 6 series was a much newer model than the F10 and yet is sailing in the same boat..
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| ars (187hp) | Quote: Originally posted by luvthestck The Panamera turbo came out 3 years before the M5. This is also something to consider. Technology and necessities are evolving at a faster pace these days. So why are you comparing a 6 year old 135i to a 2012 991S? You can't choose which cars to compare are right for you.
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| alireza (905hp) | Lol, I'm not here to argue, but you're definitely right (the 997/997? were still almost equal to or lighter than the 135). I guess weight wasn't a big issue 5 years ago.... ..What I'm trying to say is what was BMW thinking when they introduced these heavy car models in 2012. I was just curious if there was a valid reason behind this or if the engineers just missed the boat..
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| nicole90 (302hp) | Weight has been a problem for many years and it is not a recent problem. If you look at the different models over time, you'll see that there has been a long-standing shift towards larger, heavier cars. For example, the new 3 series now has the same external measurements as the first gen 5 series. Stronger bodies for better crash structure, better handling and better NVH control also add weight. My first car was a mid-size (euro) Ford that weighed about 2,500 pounds. The comparable Ford model today weighs around 1,600 kg. The difference is quite big, but so is the difference between the two cars (interior, equipment, refinement, etc., etc.). The difference between an E60 and F10 5 Series is also very visible and BMW uses a lot of aluminum in the 5 Series (the front structure from the bulkhead and forward). And going all-aluminum is probably still a bit too expensive to justify on a car that also has to be priced competitively like a 520d (and not just like a 550i/M5, etc.). The Mercedes E-Class is heavier than the 5 series by the way. (at least some models - I haven't checked all of them).
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| 19051991 (920hp) | If a fit driver drove the car, it improves the driving dynamics and MPG of the car, compared to the fat one. I'm just saying.
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| buddys1 (37hp) | Quote: Posted by luvthestck Lol I'm not here to argue, but you're definitely right (the 997/997 was still almost equal to or lighter than the 135). I can imagine weight wasn't a big issue back then, about 5 years ago...... What I'm trying to say is what was BMW thinking when they introduced these heavy duty car designs back in 2012. I was just curious if there was a valid reason behind this or if the engineers just missed the boat. While I agree that the F10 is too heavy, it was a business decision to make the car more of a luxury vehicle than a sports vehicle, so that was intentional. You can't have auto-closing doors, dynamic damper control, heated and massaging seats, active roll stabilization and a power tailgate without having to sacrifice something. Keep in mind that this is the only car in its class that you can still get a manual transmission (in North America, I'm not sure about Europe).).
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| yogurt1 (928hp) | Having owned a 2012 A6 and an F10, I can tell you that the BMW is heavier due to the extra sound insulation and its solid feel. For those who prefer a strong, quiet car to a lighter car, the F10 is the obvious choice between the two..
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| carnage1 (239hp) | Quote: Originally published by The For those who prefer a solid, quiet car over a lighter one, the F10 is the obvious choice between the two. I know what you mean about soundproofing. However, I think this was mainly due to the tires. I felt that a lot of the noise on the highway was due to the Sport Package's 19-inch Pirelli which are summer tires and made a lot of noise and could get very harsh on poor road conditions. The 18 standards with Conti all season were much quieter. However, they didn't look as good. Personally, and we don't talk about it in the press, it's the seats of the two cars that constitute the biggest difference. The BMW features: 18-way multi-contour front seats, including an articulated upper backrest and adjustable thigh support. You can also order Nappa leather, heated, cooled and massaged. The Audi seat is only 8 way adjustable, they are also heated and cooled, but the seat cushions are too flat and some parts of the seat are vinyl..
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| Snarry (60hp) | Quote: Posted by gatoman39 I know what you mean about soundproofing. However, I think this was mainly due to the tires. I felt that a lot of the noise on the highway was due to the Sport Package's 19-inch Pirelli which are summer tires and made a lot of noise and could get very harsh on poor road conditions. The 18 standards with Conti all season were much quieter. However, they didn't look as good. Personally, and we don't talk about it in the press, it's the seats of the two cars that constitute the biggest difference. The BMW features: 18-way multi-contour front seats, including an articulated upper backrest and adjustable thigh support. You can also order Nappa leather, heated, cooled and massaged. The Audi seat is only 8 way adjustable, they are also heated and cooled, but the seats are too flat and some parts of the seat are vinyl. I also had 18 conti tires on my A6, the F10 is a bit quieter and more stable at highway speeds than the A6. The multi-contour seat was a must have for me when I bought my F10, I got it as a standalone option. The vinyl on the Audi seats didn't bother me as much as the comfort aspect. I sometimes get slight back pain after taking the A6 on long journeys. To the extent that the F10 is a failure according to the OP, I completely disagree. The heavier build and luxury feel of the F10 are two of the main reasons I bought the F10.10.
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| 23061985 (576hp) | I drove the F10 M5 on a track during the M Experience event, and frankly, it's way too heavy, it feels like a truck race. So as a cruiser the F10 might be fine, but its weight is just too much. Now, driving a Ferrari, a Lamborghini, and a FORD GT with ridiculous horsepower (900+ hp) doesn't make me the expected average driver, but I definitely have mixed feelings about my car's arrival. Due to company policy I opted for a loaded 528i xdrive rather than more sound power equipment, perhaps with a Burger Tune and a lighter engine it might make sense, but... We'll see... BMW definitely needs lessons from Lotus' Chapman... Weight is a chore...
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| 191095 (502hp) | Quote: Originally published by The X Men I also had 18 conti tires on my A6, the F10 is a bit quieter and more stable at highway speeds than the A6. The multi-contour seat was a must have for me when I bought my F10, I got it as a standalone option. The vinyl on the Audi seats didn't bother me as much as the comfort aspect. I sometimes get slight back pain after taking the A6 on long journeys. To the extent that the F10 is a failure according to the OP, I completely disagree. The heavier build and luxurious feel of the F10 are two of the main reasons I bought the F10. I was talking about BMW cars in general. I didn't intend to single out the F10. There is no competition between the A6 and the F10 when it comes to comfort. The A6's seats for its price range are a disgrace. I'm looking to replace them. my family vehicle and I am interested in the F10/07. I wanted to make sure that weight would be a qualifying advantage, ie. more stability at highway speeds, as you mentioned. I just felt like either BMW had gone in a different direction or they were genuinely ignorant about the importance of limiting the weight of their vehicles this time around. I hope they find the right balance next time before it's too late. But pumping the M6 and M5 in 2012 with these curb weights is simply a mistake or arrogance on the part of BMW [when they knew that its direct competitors were showing their advantage].
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| kelly23 (458hp) | Quote: Originally posted by luvthestck I was talking about BMW cars in general. I didn't intend to single out the F10. There is no competition between the A6 and the F10 when it comes to comfort. The A6's seats for its price range are a disgrace. .I'm looking to replace my family vehicle and am interested in the F10/07. I wanted to make sure that weight would be a qualifying advantage, ie. more stability at highway speeds, as you mentioned. I just felt like either BMW had gone in a different direction or they were genuinely ignorant about the importance of limiting the weight of their vehicles this time around. I hope they find the right balance next time before it's too late. But pumping the M6 and M5 in 2012 with these curb weights is simply a mistake or arrogance on the part of BMW [when they knew that its direct competitors were showing their advantage]. Well, if you look at your first post, the S6 still weighs over 100 pounds more than the M5. If you'd ever driven the A6 and 535xi back to back, you would have thought the A6 was maybe 300 to 400 pounds lighter, not the 180 pounds or so according to spec. The A6 is much more nimble and takes off much quicker, the A6's powertrain makes the car feel lighter. The 5 Series, having a much more solid feel, also makes it feel heavier when driven. The Japanese have been making lightweight vehicles for a long time, would you say that most Japanese cars don't feel as strong as German cars? I'm all for making cars lighter, but not at the expense of a fragile car, rattles or noise..
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| beegees (797hp) | If you look at the weights of the previous Series 5, you will see that there is not a linear increase in weight like many people think. The E34 530i weighed about 3,700 pounds, then its replacement, the E39 530i, weighed 3,550 pounds. So this shows that they are using new technologies to adapt to new safety regulations as they become cost-effective. The next 5er will use a lot of carbon fiber, so I expect the weight to be significantly reduced..
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| computernetwork (466hp) | I agree for the most part. My 2011 535i - 4090 lbs Jaguar XJ (V8) - 4045 lbs (bigger car with a V8) My Jaguar to a wider audience. people-oriented cars vs. performance-oriented cars (most people don't like heavy steering and stiff suspension). I thought that since BMW was largely a family business (42%), they wouldn't worry about every extra cent like typical management (BMW earned 4.3 EUR per share in 2006 compared to 7.01 EUR per share in 2006). 2011)
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| 04071993 (443hp) | The F10 is the first 5 series to have what I call acceptable safety, the E60 received lower scores than any cheap Renault or Toyota at EuroNCAP. For me, this is not acceptable. BMW's goal is probably not to use the strongest steel in its products like Volvo does. BMW is the company that makes the most money, so clearly we don't care about this issue.
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| [email protected] (564hp) | Quote: Originally published by Estimation Prophet They are on pace to sell around 60,000 5 Series in the US this year if sales remain stable. Year-to-date sales are up 13% compared to last year. From what I can gather, global sales are also strong. So while some enthusiasts may view the 5 Series as a failure, I doubt the BMW company would see it that way with the good sales numbers being released. Well said.
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| p6264758 (429hp) | I view weight as only one element in the search for efficiency. There can be issues with lighter cars, which doesn't always suit the luxury segment. We start with user perceptions, such as a feeling of solidity in the car. Never mind the technical details like unsprung weight ratios. BMW engineers will be well aware of all the implications. I am confident that the design and development path was chosen and is not the result of a big mistake. Additionally, something like the F10, based on the F01 floor/technology of the 7 series, will have a major influence on the weight issue. The front suspension is more complex to achieve a more luxurious ride. The car is larger than the previous generation, which is probably a penalty simply from that fact alone. But when it comes to the F30, which has also increased in size, BMW engineers have kept technology similar to that of the E9x range and reduced the weight of the models a bit. And that has been said, we are not only looking at the sporty side of BMW here. Many BMW users want the balance to be shifted towards a luxury feel when driving the cars. Sales are holding up, showing that this decision is profitable. I know here in the UK most of the criticism against BMW is about the high price, the cars can lack refinement. The latest generations of the range take care of this. Ride quality isn't that critical in terms of weight, provided the suspension and unsprung weight receive enough attention. I have followed the weight debate in the auto industry for many years. When there is high demand for lighter vehicles, there is usually a slight backlash, as people find that lightweight family cars just don't feel premium enough. HighlandPete
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| tarragon (822hp) | HighlandPete said it's difficult to reduce weight when the F10 shares components with the 7 Series and Rolls Royal Ghost. Some might say that perception is 90% of the work. Well, the Series 5 feels heavy and most people associate heaviness with high quality. As for the F30, my opinion is that it feels light, as it should since it is a 3 series, but in terms of quality it feels about the same, if not worse, than the E90. There is no heavy use of aluminum in the F30 compared to the E90, in fact the front subframe has gone from aluminum to steel on the F30, the oil pan is now in plastic. The seats are thinner, the sound insulation is less and the interior panels are made of hard plastic. In my opinion, the F30 is a perfect example of what not to do when it comes to weight reduction..
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| 02041979 (306hp) | For a new Series 5 and a classic iPod nano. Y cable or white apple cable? Does the car come with a Y cable? I will have BMW apps. How about an iPhone 4S? Is there a newer Y cable released recently? (I've seen mention of newer potential in a few search results, but nothing concrete.) Thanks!
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| 10121976 (794hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ucla1995 For a new series 5 and a classic iPod nano. Y cable or white apple cable? Does the car come with a Y cable? I will have BMW apps. How about an iPhone 4S? Is there a newer Y cable released recently? (I've seen mention of newer potential in a few search results, but nothing concrete.) Thanks! Go for the white Apple cable, that way you get the artwork displayed, not the case with the Y cable on my 2011 model of course. the difference in mp3 sound quality is zero, some argue that one is better than the other, I think the Apple cable is the best.
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| chicago08 (520hp) | The Y-cable is officially dead for all current production models with USB, as they should all have COMBOX with album art display function..
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| richtorr (459hp) | As others have said, a white Apple USB cable is all you need. If you have an old Y-cable it should still work too..
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| adrianita (180hp) | For a new Series 5 and a classic iPod nano. Y cable or white apple cable? Does the car come with a Y cable? I will have BMW apps. How about an iPhone 4S? Is there a newer Y cable released recently? (I've seen mention of newer potential in a few search results, but nothing concrete.) Thanks!
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| 170287 (953hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ucla1995 For a new series 5 and a classic iPod nano. Y cable or white apple cable? Does the car come with a Y cable? I will have BMW apps. How about an iPhone 4S? Is there a newer Y cable released recently? (I've seen mention of newer potential in a few search results, but nothing concrete.) Thanks! Go for the white Apple cable, that way you get the artwork displayed, not the case with the Y cable on my 2011 model of course. the difference in mp3 sound quality is zero, some argue that one is better than the other, I think the Apple cable is the best.
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| Dave788 (847hp) | The Y-cable is officially dead for all current production models with USB, as they should all have COMBOX with album art display function..
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| balmoral (798hp) | As others have said, a white Apple USB cable is all you need. If you have an old Y-cable it should still work too..
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| getdown (726hp) | I want to share my happiness with all of you. 3 months ago I purchased a 2012 328i SportLine 6MT MWM Coral Red Interior. I like the design but was very disappointed with the performance and handling. I decided to change cars and started looking at different options. I was mainly looking for a used car to make up for the huge depreciation. I was considering 335i Coupe 6MT, S4 6MT, 535i 6MT. Somehow nothing worked out until last night I saw the 2012 535i 6MT for $53,870 MSRP at BMWRockville, MD. And $6,000 off MSRP. I immediately called the dealership and made an appointment and even received the trade-in for my 328i over the phone itself. Since I live in Philadelphia, it's a 2 hour 45 minute drive from Rockville, MD. I started early in the morning and went to the dealership, signed the contract and came home with the new car. I financed both with BMW Finance. Agreement details. 2012 328i Trade-In Value: $35,000 (I bought it for $40,000) Miles Driven: 5,400 328i Interest Rate: 11.79% 2012 535i MSRP Details: $53,870 Rebate Dealership/BMW: $6,000 Loyalty: $750 Ultimate Drive App Discount: $500 TeamUSA Rebate: $1,000 Total Rebate: $8,250 And another best part is that my interest rate was reduced at 5.79%. It was a great joy for me at the dealership this morning. What I miss in my 328i: Coral red interior, Bluetooth audio streaming and cup holders. What I get with the 535i: Xenons, power seats, moonroof, V6, more power and obviously a higher class..
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| a9999999 (343hp) | Congratulations on the new car! Are you sure you don't have BT audio streaming? My 2011 535ix with premium 1 & 2 has BT audio streaming,
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| hillview (162hp) | Well done. Since my debut with Fiver (E34), it has always made me happy to see a Five with a stick in the world! Glad to hear another one is going to a grateful owner.
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| 241296 (552hp) | Wow, I didn't know they made them at that price, looks like there isn't just one option/package? And there is a 6 speed manual?? This has to be the strangest car on offer. Well done!
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| 170181 (665hp) | Quote: Posted by mrcamp Congratulations on the new car! Are you sure you don't have BT audio streaming? My 535ix 2011 with premium 1 & 2 has BT audio streaming, thanks. I can add my cell phone to the Bluetooth Audio list, but the media list does not show the connected device. I still have to play with these settings.
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| fresh2def (338hp) | Quote: Originally posted by MBrown1003 Congratulations. Since my debut with Fiver (E34), it has always made me happy to see a Five with a stick in the world! I'm happy to hear that another one will be going to a grateful owner. THANKS. the shifter is fun to drive.
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| lover99 (826hp) | Quote: Originally posted by omaralt Wow didn't know they made them at that price, looks like there isn't a single option/package on them? And there is a 6 speed manual?? This has to be the strangest car on offer. Well done! THANKS. It only has one option: SPLIT FOLDING REAR SEAT. This car is not cheap. Only the purchase timing is good because of the current offers. If I have to create a custom version, I will lose most of the current offers. Regardless, I wouldn't have ordered any options other than the Cinnamon Brown interior and Dynamic Driving Package if I was building my own..
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| shinoda (462hp) | You must have crappy credit for these interest rates....
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| junker (494hp) | And you have the 535i with V6! This is a rare vehicle...most come with an I-6. haha.
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| 32615948worms (399hp) | Quote: Posted by snj1013 You must have crappy credit for these interest rates.... Yes, my score is very low. And my US credit history is only 3 years old..
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| jwallet (979hp) | Quote: Posted by Terpinator And you have the 535i with V6! This is a rare vehicle...most come with an I-6. haha. My mistake
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| clymer (757hp) | So no navigation? No comfort access? Leather (or is that the norm now?). No rear view camera? No parking assistance? No heated seats? I would never pay $53,000 for a car without all of these options. If my budget was in that range I would rather get a 335 with a better option or even a different brand. I know you got a good price but you're going to have a hell of a time selling this car
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| northern1 (742hp) | Wow! This is a very good deal!!! As others have said, I prefer to be fully loaded in any possible series or brand before diving into anything. But at the end of the day, it's your car and your happiness. So congratulations again and welcome to the F club10!
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| pomona (809hp) | Quote: Posted by gvmohan I want to share my happiness with you all. 3 months ago I purchased a 2012 328i SportLine 6MT MWM Coral Red Interior. I like the design but was very disappointed with the performance and handling. I decided to change cars and started looking at different options. I was mainly looking for a used car to make up for the huge depreciation. I was considering 335i Coupe 6MT, S4 6MT, 535i 6MT. Somehow nothing worked out until last night I saw the 2012 535i 6MT for $53,870 MSRP at BMWRockville, MD. And $6,000 off MSRP. I immediately called the dealership and made an appointment and even received the trade-in for my 328i over the phone itself. Since I live in Philadelphia, it's a 2 hour 45 minute drive from Rockville, MD. I started early in the morning and went to the dealership, signed the contract and came home with the new car. I financed both with BMW Finance. Agreement details. 2012 328i Trade-In Value: $35,000 (I bought it for $40,000) Miles Driven: 5,400 328i Interest Rate: 11.79% 2012 535i MSRP Details: $53,870 Rebate dealer/BMW: $6,000 Loyalty: $750 Ultimate Drive App Rebate: $500 TeamUSA Rebate: $1,000 Total Rebate: $8,250 And another best part is that my interest rate was reduced to 5.79%. It was a great joy for me at the dealership this morning. What I miss in my 328i: Coral red interior, Bluetooth audio streaming and cup holders. What I get with the 535i: Xenons, power seats, moonroof, V6, more power and obviously a higher class. I have an office in Rockville, which has a relaxed sales department, you will be able to get the right deal, I'm sure! - and some cool cars in the parking lot !
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| farter1 (238hp) | Quote: Posted by omaralt So no navigation? No comfort access? Leather (or is that the norm now?). No rear view camera? No parking assistance? No heated seats? I would never pay $53,000 for a car without all of these options. If my budget was in that range I would rather get a 335 with a better option or even a different brand. I know you got a good price, but you're going to have a really hard time selling this car. As you said, 335 would have been a better option. But do I get a 335i with 6MT with a deal? I couldn't even find a single F30 335i 6MT on cars.com or edmunds.com, not even used. Plus I'm going to get really hurt selling a 3 month old car and I was trying to find a better deal. And when it comes to options, it's a personal opinion. I will explain my opinion on this navigation system: I use a cell phone GPS. I will even try mirroring the cell phone screen to the dashboard screen. But first I'll put on a pro-clip holder and I'm good to go. Comfort Access – This will be useful in the winter, but I don’t want this feature. Backup camera ==>, I would rather pay little money to remove this feature from my car than use it if it is standard. Leather ->, yes, these are standard parking sensors ==>, useful feature. Heated seats ==>, I have it in other cars that I owned and never used even in winter. All I need in a car is power, handling, manual gearbox, Bluetooth, nice Int&Ext, very good music system. I don't want to worry about the price I get for selling the car. I always trade. I expect to keep this car for at least 5 years. I have a list of things I need to do on my 535i. 1.) Change the side mirrors and rear view mirror. I don't like the original mirrors. No adequate visibility. 2.) If there is a way, I want to tighten the steering in sport mode. 3.) Find ways to achieve sporty handling by lowering the car or whatever is possible. 4.) Adjust to increase power.
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| HDEddie1 (505hp) | Quote: Posted by half man half amazin Wow! This is a very good deal!!! As others have said, I prefer to be fully loaded in any possible series or brand before diving into anything. But at the end of the day, it's your car and your happiness. So congratulations again and welcome to the F10 club! THANKS. I'm a car fanatic. I change cars a lot. Over the past 3 years I have changed 6 cars. I have 2 cars now. 535i and G37Sport coupe 6MT. The 535i is my daily driver car. So having more options will hurt more when selling.
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| mustang93 (894hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gvmohan Thanks. I'm a car fanatic. I change cars a lot. Over the past 3 years I have changed 6 cars. I have 2 cars now. 535i and G37Sport coupe 6MT. The 535i is my daily driver car. So, having more options will do more harm when selling. awesome! I'm also a car enthusiast, every year and a half, but I really like my 550, I might keep this one for a while...same thing I said about the M3
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| 1westside (820hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gvmohan Thanks. I'm a car fanatic. I change cars a lot. Over the past 3 years I have changed 6 cars. I have 2 cars now. 535i and G37Sport coupe 6MT. The 535i is my daily driver car. So, having more options will do more harm when selling. You did what many of us should do. Buy a car for the fundamentals it was created for. BMW gave us the 6MT option and now you are driving a very rare car. I think you will be able to upgrade the wheels very easily. I'm a big fan of the Non M sport Pack look. This is what the designers originally wanted the 5 to look like. Honestly, is BMW trying to offer the ///M look to plug the 5 into the M5? Looking at the comparison, it seems like the M sport is pretty much the exact look of the M5. I wish they could just keep the special look of the M5, just for the M....
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| gcb (999hp) | Quote: Originally posted by jk3355 Quote: Originally posted by gvmohan Thanks. I'm a car fanatic. I change cars a lot. Over the past 3 years I have changed 6 cars. I have 2 cars now. 535i and G37Sport coupe 6MT. The 535i is my daily driver car. So, having more options will do more harm when selling. You did what many of us should do. Buy a car for the fundamentals it was created for. BMW gave us the 6MT option and now you are driving a very rare car. I think you will be able to upgrade the wheels very easily. I'm a big fan of the Non M sport Pack look. This is what the designers originally wanted the 5 to look like. Honestly, is BMW trying to offer the ///M look to plug the 5 into the M5? Looking at the comparison, it seems like the M sport is pretty much the exact look of the M5. I wish they could just keep the special look of the M5, just for the M... Driving with the sport package is so much better.
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| 05091982 (589hp) | Quote: Posted by half man half awesome amazin! I'm also a car enthusiast, every year and a half, but I really like my 550, I might keep this one for a while...same thing I said about the M3, but it It's nice to see the same ideas..
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