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| albita (497hp) | Yep, same sausage in different size. But it looks nice. But I was really digging the bracelet line. Each car, from the 7 to the Z, had its own unique look. I really loved the edgy look of my old 550i. It's nice too but very simple.
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| rai (890hp) | it looks good! I'm looking forward to the M5 as others have said
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| kendal1 (834hp) | Am I the only one who finds the front contour of the hood disgusting against the grain of the front bumper???? other than that i think it looks great...
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| thomas wang573 (840hp) | I agree. For a $50-80,000 automobile, the plastic front bumper seems like an afterthought. Same on 7th, see one in person - huge gap, poor fit. All I can say is why? The whole range has this design element: the bolt-on grille/front bumper with a huge ugly line on top. Damage.
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| jackets (908hp) | I love him. This seriously makes me want a 5 for the first time.
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| ball12 (481hp) | Beautiful. Great job BMW!!!!!!!! This made me very excited about the new 3er...
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| Okk117 (222hp) | i'm still getting the m3...when will it be released so i can go see it
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| ahess (972hp) | Wow what a beauty!!! I love it... class eat your heart out lol... man I can already see the m5. Nice work. BMW...
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| admim (425hp) | I hope I'm wrong, but it seems like BMW is going back to sausages of different lengths, where all of its models look pretty much the same except in terms of size. It was a bland and uninteresting period, design-wise. This new 5 series seems to borrow the front headlights of the e90 and the side of the 7 series, not ugly, but not innovative or exciting in any case, and very sausage like me.
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| b00mer (187hp) | Quote: Originally posted by stressdoc My favorite tidbit from Hooydonk: ...the design of the new 3 Series will have to be even sportier,” he revealed. Above all, the new 3er coupe will be to die for, from what I hear. My BMW sources are drooling over the design proposals. All the latest ones are beyond amazing. We are still a little far from the chosen one, but all the proposals are - I am told - very exciting..
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| scan (84hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mapezzul I'm not sure I follow your logic here... get rid of the stuff that keeps emissions low and performance high - of course that makes a lot of sense. You obviously have no idea what efficient dynamics is for or that it started years ago and every current BMW offering is a product of it. Bright. The glass mat battery etc doesn't take away any performance, so why would you want to get rid of it? I know exactly what Efficient Dynamics is, as well as what it is and what it does. I love all the ideas of energy efficiency and keeping emissions low. I just don't like the start-stop interference of the electric motor and I'm also not crazy about technologies that aren't yet mature (i.e. reliability). As you may have noticed in F1, there was no real benefit in terms of overall performance on the cars running on KERS*, so all the teams agreed not to use them in 2010. PS: Think to our pretty electronic butterflies... right? not fun and wonderful in the shift they have? It's so nice to do fast runs + quick shifts...just to feel the reaction time latency compared to the previous direct connection that was with the throttle body..
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| skanky1 (361hp) | It's beautiful, but it's even heavier. I suspect they will eventually get to the point where they can't add any more weight. Who wants to guess how much it will cost for a mid-size sedan? 4500 pounds? 5000 pounds?
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| 020980 (101hp) | to like
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| timothy12 (397hp) | The beauty of it all is that the price of the E60 ///M will drop even more when the F10 ///M comes out. I'm curious if BMW will use the same 550 hp turbo engine in the new 5///M that's already in the X5/X6///M. But now an E60 ///M with a Miestecraft exhaust sounds really good now.
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| 250186 (417hp) | Will buy Alpine White 535 when they come out.
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| rocky07 (570hp) | Quote: Originally Posted by Mote Looks too much like E90. Long live the E39. LOL, you wish. It looks nothing like the E90. The E90 looks like a shoe with a few roundels on it. The F10 is taut and elegant. You can't compare the two.
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| fathima (431hp) | And I hope it will be really spacious in the back
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| yplin317 (135hp) | Quote: Posted by Wolfman I hope I'm wrong, but it seems BMW is going back to different length sausages, where all of its models look pretty much the same except in terms of size. It was a bland and uninteresting period, design-wise. This new 5 series seems to borrow the front headlights of the e90 and the side of the 7 series, not ugly, but not innovative or exciting in any case, and very sausage like me. This is called design heritage and it was a mistake to abandon it. The first photo in this thread proves it. Of all the cars presented, the E60 is the one that has no place. I don't even recognize the E60 as a real BMW.
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| braulio (36hp) | Here's my take: Front like the F1 7 series. Rear like the e92 3 series side profile/door panels like the e90 3 series. Looks like they took the best of the three and made something better than the parts..
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| SNOOPY (993hp) | Boooooooooooooooooooooooh. It's a stretched 3 series with a few touches here and there.
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| 17121989 (210hp) | Quote: Posted by Wolfman I hope I'm wrong, but it seems BMW is going back to different length sausages, where all of its models look pretty much the same except in terms of size. It was a bland and uninteresting period, design-wise. This new 5 series seems to borrow the front headlights of the e90 and the side of the 7 series, not ugly, but not innovative or exciting in any case, and very sausage like me. +100000
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| zzzz1111 (491hp) | Quote: Originally posted by phrozen06 The beauty of it all is that the price of the E60 ///M will drop even more when the F10 ///M hits the market. I'm curious if BMW will use the same 550 hp turbo engine in the new 5///M that's already in the X5/X6///M. But now an E60 ///M with Miestecraft Exhaust sounds really good now. I came here to say the exact same thing. Great minds think alike.
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| 10101976 (456hp) | Yep, same sausage in different size. But it looks nice. But I was really digging the bracelet line. Each car, from the 7 to the Z, had its own unique look. I really loved the edgy look of my old 550i. It's nice too but very simple.
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| 13561356 (427hp) | it looks good! I'm looking forward to the M5 as others have said
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| palpatine_us (972hp) | Am I the only one who finds the front contour of the hood disgusting against the grain of the front bumper???? other than that i think it looks great...
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| 270884 (919hp) | I agree. For a $50-80k automobile, the plastic front bumper seems like an afterthought. Same on 7th, see one in person - huge gap, poor fit. All I can say is why? The whole range has this design element: the bolt-on grille/front bumper with a huge ugly line on top. Damage.
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| osito1 (680hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bobbyd1961, the current engine is not a single turbo. It's a twin-turbo. inaccurate information, so the guy doesn't know what he's talking about when he gets an easy fact wrong. Quote: I had a 335 and it was a twin-turbo. go to bmwusa.com and you will see it's the same engine for the 335 and the 535 TWIN haha newb fail....
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| cutie18 (292hp) | Not everyone is 5'8...some of us need a bigger car (and don't want the 7)...buy a 3 little man
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| annar (797hp) | In fact, Bobbyd1961, the new 2011 5 Series now features a new and improved SINGLE turbo engine. View the press release: http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...n/default.aspx
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| pacifica (435hp) | In fact, it's not height that restricts your style in a 3 Series as much as girth. If you stuck to these biscuits, gravy, and fried cheeseburgers on a stick, you'd probably score a good 3. Anyway, aside from that, this new 5 is looking pretty good. Fingers crossed they don't overload it with modernity that saps the fun..
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| kiesha (908hp) | Funny how some of you can't criticize your own brand. Dan Neil is a Pulitzer Prize-winning automotive writer. He has opinions, but if you attack him for talking about engines instead of engines, then you're not an engine enthusiast yourself. Most of us say motor as in n/a motor or FI motor. etc. Your mother might say engine. Additionally, and with the exception of the 550i and M5, the 6IL engines will be a single twin-scroll turbo, not a twin turbo (only V8s will have them.) And Neil is right about the chassis. People start talking. BMW focuses on smoother driving dynamics. Ordinary people complain that BMWs are too harsh as a mid-size luxury sedan. Drivers may like some rigidity, but passengers don't like being tossed around. So now we will enjoy exceptional comfort (these are BMW's own words.) We will have electronic control of the shock absorber and other softeners. Hopefully the M5 and 550i with ZMP package will be more targeted. But the 5er won't be what it was in terms of chassis dynamics. Ironically, Mercedes is going in the other direction, towards the old BMW dynamic. The line between comfort and handling is always fine, as both are somewhat subjective depending on demographic. As MB and AMG do now, BMW and M Works will probably do it too: making models focused on comfort and also sporty versions..
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| 15061993 (90hp) | For those of you who complain about calling it an engine, would you prefer if the company changed its name to BEW? Dick Fogg
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| Thailand (933hp) | Quote: Originally posted by MERCSUk153 I think people need to keep in mind that the general population and target market is getting older. Baby boomers are getting older and the other big potential market will be the Asian market, which tends to prefer smooth-driving vehicles in their crowded cities and roads. I can bet that manufacturers are definitely keeping an eye on Asia and, in the future, India. They don't want their cars to be seen as hard-driving luxury cars in about 10 years when those markets are booming. BMW ensures that these markets view BMW as the best driving and driving car in the luxury segment. This will take time, because in these markets MB is currently in the lead. haha that’s actually true. My grandparents came from India when I had just received my brand new E90. I took them for a ride, and then my grandfather asked me: Why does your brand new car drive like a cart pulled by a bull? He thought he was riding like a 15 year old POS with worn out suspension because he could feel every bump. I burst out laughing. The majority (70% and above) of drivers want a car that is as soft as they can afford instead of a stiff car. It's in the United States. In Asia, it's probably more like 90% or more. Also, most people (at least in India) all hire drivers and don't drive themselves. Apparently driving is a chore?
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| pistol1 (823hp) | I was also watching autocar and imotor 535i reviews on YouTube. Both said the car was now less of a driver's car and the electric steering took away most of the road feel. I don't know if there will be a fixed sports suspension, but the standard 5er seems to handle like a boat. To have better handling, you need to add it to all performance options. Then again, it's still not as good a driver's sedan as the E60. And the style is pretty boring. The Jaguar XF has the best styling in my opinion. Anyway, my dad is interested in a 535, so I'll definitely pay more attention to new reviews..
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| 230584 (241hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bobbyd1961, the current engine is not a single turbo. It's a twin-turbo. inaccurate information, so the guy doesn't know what he's talking about when he gets an easy fact wrong. Quote: I had a 335 and it was a twin-turbo. go to bmwusa.com and you will see it's the same engine for the 335 and the 535 TWIN haha newb fail....
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| 231978 (770hp) | Not everyone is 5'8...some of us need a bigger car (and don't want the 7)...buy a 3 little man
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| 28051995 (234hp) | In fact, Bobbyd1961, the new 2011 5 Series now features a new and improved SINGLE turbo engine. View the press release: http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...n/default.aspx
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| lovely6 (492hp) | In fact, it's not height that restricts your style in a 3 Series as much as girth. If you stuck to these biscuits, gravy, and fried cheeseburgers on a stick, you'd probably score a good 3. Anyway, aside from that, this new 5 is looking pretty good. Fingers crossed they don't overload it with modernity that saps the fun..
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| babygirls2 (985hp) | Funny how some of you can't criticize your own brand. Dan Neil is a Pulitzer Prize-winning automotive writer. He has opinions, but if you attack him for talking about engines instead of engines, then you're not an engine enthusiast yourself. Most of us say motor as in n/a motor or FI motor. etc. Your mother might say engine. Additionally, and with the exception of the 550i and M5, the 6IL engines will be a single twin-scroll turbo, not a twin turbo (only V8s will have them.) And Neil is right about the chassis. People start talking. BMW focuses on smoother driving dynamics. Ordinary people complain that BMWs are too harsh as a mid-size luxury sedan. Drivers may like some rigidity, but passengers don't like being tossed around. So now we will enjoy exceptional comfort (these are BMW's own words.) We will have electronic control of the shock absorber and other softeners. Hopefully the M5 and 550i with ZMP package will be more targeted. But the 5er won't be what it was in terms of chassis dynamics. Ironically, Mercedes is going in the other direction, towards the old BMW dynamic. The line between comfort and handling is always fine, as both are somewhat subjective depending on demographic. As MB and AMG do now, BMW and M Works will probably do it too: making models focused on comfort and also sporty versions..
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| jolly123 (62hp) | For those of you who complain about calling it an engine, would you prefer if the company changed its name to BEW? Dick Fogg
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| athome (580hp) | Quote: Originally posted by MERCSUk153 I think people need to keep in mind that the general population and target market is getting older. Baby boomers are getting older and the other big potential market will be the Asian market, which tends to prefer smooth-driving vehicles in their crowded cities and roads. I can bet that manufacturers are definitely keeping an eye on Asia and, in the future, India. They don't want their cars to be seen as hard-driving luxury cars in about 10 years when those markets are booming. BMW ensures that these markets view BMW as the best driving and driving car in the luxury segment. This will take time, because in these markets MB is currently in the lead. haha that’s actually true. My grandparents came from India when I had just received my brand new E90. I took them for a ride, and then my grandfather asked me: Why does your brand new car drive like a cart pulled by a bull? He thought he was riding like a 15 year old POS with worn out suspension because he could feel every bump. I burst out laughing. The majority (70% and above) of drivers want a car that is as soft as they can afford instead of a stiff car. It's in the United States. In Asia, it's probably more like 90% or more. Also, most people (at least in India) all hire drivers and don't drive themselves. Apparently driving is a chore?
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| smiles4u (750hp) | I was also watching autocar and imotor 535i reviews on YouTube. Both said the car was now less of a driver's car and the electric steering took away most of the road feel. I don't know if there will be a fixed sports suspension, but the standard 5er seems to handle like a boat. To have better handling, you need to add it to all performance options. Then again, it's still not as good a driver's sedan as the E60. And the style is pretty boring. The Jaguar XF has the best styling in my opinion. Anyway, my dad is interested in a 535, so I'll definitely pay more attention to new reviews..
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| bengals85 (503hp) | The UK is now the best place to buy the new 5 Series (also Mercedes Audi etc). I'm starting to sound like a TV commercial, but anyone in Europe could make incredible savings by buying a car left in England. In the UK a 523i costs €31,200 plus leather seats, ambient light etc as standard a 523i in Germany costs €41,900 without the standard extras available in the UK which is almost €5,000 more, in Belgium another 43,500 euros without extras. available for the UK market, in Spain 44,300 euros and again without the extras available for the UK, and so on... and if we look at, say, a 535i or even a 550i, the difference can be close of 20,000 euros!.... I ask why... and you just have to pay the tax in the United Kingdom to be able to use it in any EEC country without problem.
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| qwerty654321 (136hp) | This makes up for all the years we were scammed!!! PS: stay quiet or prices will start to rise!
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| gfhfljrc (627hp) | If it wasn't for management in the wrong place...
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| armando2 (143hp) | I don't understand how it is possible that in Spain the car is the most expensive....when we are in a deep crisis....Spain is differentI had a BMW E46 320d, and now I have an XC90 and a CLK 320, and I'm thinking of replacing the CLK with the new 5. To me it seems to be the best BMW in recent years... I would like to see it soon. Goodbye...
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| henry5 (52hp) | Quote: Originally published by Acquarian The UK is now the best place to buy the new 5 Series (also Mercedes Audi etc). I'm starting to sound like a TV commercial, but anyone in Europe could make incredible savings by buying a car left in England. . In the UK a 523i costs €31,200 plus leather seats, ambient light etc as standard a 523i in Germany costs €41,900 without the standard extras available in the UK which is almost €5,000 more, Wow! The base price of the 523i in Poland is 44,000 Ј. I have leather seats, auto, sport, xenon, PDC and some other lesser options (no comfort seats, no fancy wheels, no navigation) and even with a heavy pan-European corporate teen discount on the list , my reasonably specified 523i ran at 50,000 Ј . This is partly due to the weakness of the pound sterling and the strength of other currencies. In addition, we have 18% excise duty and 22% VAT..
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| medieval (692hp) | According to the official BMW Denmark price list, you need to pay Ђ95,700 for a 2011 BMW 523i or Ђ117,000 for a 535i. It takes 30 minutes to get to Denmark from where I live and Swedish prices are about 38% of Danish prices. I feel a little sorry for the Danes.
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| alex83 (594hp) | No, the United States is the best place to buy a car. A base 535i can be had for around 30-32,000 euros if you do European delivery. I get a loaded 550i xDrive for the equivalent of around 48.5k euros. They don't even sell the 523i here because it would decrease the prestige of the brand (considered too cheap)).
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| gary1234 (942hp) | It's true, the UK is not the best place to buy a new car, especially the 5 series. So many damn taxes and VAT. The US is the best place and we get the same car at a much better price than in the UK. Sorry, but it's the truth. My family members pay too much for a similarly optioned car in the UK compared to me in the US..
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| 110057 (39hp) | I'm from Belgium and recently ordered my 520d from the UK. Delivery is scheduled for August. I buy the car tax free in the UK and pay VAT in Belgium. It will be supplied LHD, with a Franco-Belgian configuration and an EU conformity document. I locked the Euro/Sterling rate with a forward exchange contract to avoid any unpleasant surprises due to currency fluctuations. Concerning. delivery, the procedure is quite simple. I pay for the car when it arrives in the UK and BMW sends me the documents so I can: * pay VAT in Belgium * obtain Belgian number plates * insure the car in Belgium. Once I have the number plates and the car insured, I drive to the delivery point in the UK. There is a delivery point near the UK side of the Channel Tunnel, approximately 2 hours by train (TGV Eurostar) from Brussels. There the vehicle is equipped with my Belgian license plates and I can return home with the car. I pay just over EUR 39,000 in the UK (including Belgian VAT and extra charges for LHD). The same car in Belgium (including 5% dealer discount) is worth more than EUR 51,000. This represents a saving of EUR 12,000 / 23%. Prices may be even better in the US, but for European customers, importing the car is not as simple and we may encounter compliance issues..
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| ledesma (641hp) | Hi Karmakal, this seems like a good deal! I was planning to do the same thing in a few months. Do you mind if I ask, did you handle this directly with BMW (rather than a third party, importer, company)? and in this case, with BMW UK, right? It would be great if you could provide some details. If you prefer, you can send me a private message. Thank you very much in advance PS: I just hope that the Greek crisis does not ruin the value of the euro and make this kind of delivery unnecessary...
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| 198104 (99hp) | Hello J-Raid, I believe there is only one garage where you can order BMWs for export and that is: BMW Park Lane International Sales Tourist and Export Specialist My contact is: Charlie Menard Email : [email protected] Direct Tel: +44 (0) 207 495 9522 Internal Ext: 4522 Fax: +44 (0) 207 318 9317 www.bmwparklane.com He was very helpful. I ordered the car in early March. Since then the pound sterling has gone from 1.14 to 1.18 and it appears the base price of the 520D has been increased by around 1,000 pounds, but it's still a very good deal in my opinion..
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| myspace82 (470hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ruxp No, the US is the best place to buy a car. A base 535i can be had for around 30-32,000 euros if you do European delivery. I get a loaded 550i xDrive for the equivalent of around 48.5k euros. They don't even sell the 523i here because it would decrease the prestige of the brand (considered too cheap). Yes, the base price of the car is cheaper in the US, but I think the moment you add the package options it becomes more expensive, I haven't found it yet, but in the version British, many free options are included. like leather seats, ambient light, etc. which are not free in the American version.
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| neogeo (790hp) | Quote: Originally posted by karmakal Hi J-Raid, I believe there is only one garage where you can order a BMW for export and that is: BMW Park Lane International Sales Tourist and Export Specialist My contact is: Charlie Menard Email: Charlie.Menard@BMWParkLane. co.uk Direct Tel: +44 (0) 207 495 9522 Internal Ext: 4522 Fax: +44 (0) 207 318 9317 www.bmwparklane.com He was very helpful. I ordered the car in early March. Since then the pound sterling has gone from 1.14 to 1.18 and it appears the base price of the 520D has been increased by around 1,000 pounds, but it's still a very good deal in my opinion. Thank you very much for the info! Let us know when you receive the car or any important landmarks. I hope you enjoy the car, it will be a classic
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| usmc1775 (657hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Acquarian Yes, the base price of the car is cheaper in the US, but I think as you add in the package options it gets more expensive, I haven't found yet solution, but in the UK version, many free options are included, such as leather seats, ambient light, etc., which are not free in the US version. The base MSRP for a 550i without options included (and without xDrive) is €50,865 in the UK. I don't think you can even charge a 550i at that price in the US. Leather seats etc are all standard on the 550i btw..
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| popcorn. (168hp) | Hi. RUXP quotes a price of around 32,000 euros for the base 535i. Where did you get this award? It appears BMW is offering $49,130 for overseas delivery. Can you provide a person or reseller to contact? Thank you, Jesper Vesterlund.
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| 328AL (936hp) | Hello Karmakal, Can you keep us informed about the ease of delivery. I also plan to do the same and live in Belgium as well. Do you need to change the front lights or will the F10 be delivered directly with the correct optical units compliant with Belgium. THANKS,
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| endless1 (866hp) | Quote: Posted by boromirke Hi Karmakal, Can you update us on the ease of delivery. I also plan to do the same and live in Belgium as well. Do you need to change the front lights or will the F10 be delivered directly with the correct optical units compliant with Belgium. Thanks, I'm not sure about the light blocks. Are there any special regulations in Belgium that do not apply elsewhere in the EU? As far as I know the car comes with an EU certificate of conformity and I understand that this is all I need to register the car in Belgium. My car should be delivered around mid-September. I can tell you more from now on. Contrary to what I thought, it is not possible to obtain your number plates in Belgium before collecting the car in the UK. You get temporary British plates valid for one month. Insure the car with temp. British plates in Belgium pose no problem. I just need to call my agent before collecting the car and inform them of the chassis number. of the new car. So while your temp. the plates are still valid, you have to pay VAT, go through customs (for a new car it seems quite simple and only costs 1 EUR stamp on a form). Once cleared through customs, you will receive a form which will allow you to obtain Belgian registration plates from the DIV (or transfer your current ones to the new vehicle). I understand that there is a customs office next to the DIV, so customs + DIV registration can be done in one stop. PS: As you are coming from Belgium, please note that the UK car is the 184hp version and road tax will cost you around twice as much as the tax efficient 162hp Belgian version..
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| gallant (964hp) | About the headlights: They'll probably be upgraded to RHD spec for UK roads, so you'll need to tune them to Belgian car inspection specs. I think your local BMW dealer will be able to do this in a few minutes. Do you know how the warranty will be organized? With the discount you get when ordering from the UK, the extra 1,250 euros in taxes won't be a problem. ?
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| yaya123 (774hp) | The entire car is said to be produced to LHD specifications. I'm pretty sure the lights will match the LHD and won't need any adjustment. The vehicle documentation and on-board interface will be in French rather than English. concerning. warranty, I asked the question. See dealer response below. >,>, I had 2 questions regarding. the warranty on the car. >,>,Here in Belgium, its 2 years of general manufacturer's warranty, 3 years of warranty on the paint and 12 years of warranty against corrosion of the metal parts of the bodywork. >,>,1) is the warranty the same in the UK? >,>,2) in case of problems, can I go to a garage in Belgium or do I have to bring the car back to the UK? Answer: 1) European warranty is standard as per your email below 2) Yes, all European cars are treated the same, so no, you don't have to come to the UK. In total, before additional taxes, I think I saved around 12,000 euros. Minus 1,250 EUR tax, the saving is still over 10,000. And I enjoy more horses.
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| qwerty01 (211hp) | Overall, apart from the small investment of time you need to take to order the car in London, you save a huge amount. What about the additional cost for LHD? Is it a lot or negligible. Also, what are the discount rates I can use to get my budget price? I know I'm asking for a lot of information, but this is too good an offer.
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| brosb4hoes (873hp) | Additional cost LHD: approximately 900 pounds including tax. VAT reduction: a little more than 3% on car + options
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| armando2 (875hp) | Hi everyone, you should not complain about the prices of the new BMW 5 in your countries. you should be happy with the price. because in the Netherlands we pay way more than you guys. for example: 523 50,000 euros 528 55,000 euros 550 95,000 euros and apart from the price I bet the Dutch version has less standard equipment. so guys be happy.
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| itwasntme (497hp) | The UK is now the best place to buy the new 5 Series (also Mercedes Audi etc). I'm starting to sound like a TV commercial, but anyone in Europe could make incredible savings by buying a car left in England. In the UK a 523i costs €31,200 plus leather seats, ambient light etc as standard a 523i in Germany costs €41,900 without the standard extras available in the UK which is almost €5,000 more, in Belgium another 43,500 euros without extras. available for the UK market, in Spain 44,300 euros and again without the extras available for the UK, and so on... and if we look at, say, a 535i or even a 550i, the difference can be of almost 20,000 euros!.... I ask why... and you just have to pay the tax in the UK to be able to use it in any EEC country without any problem..
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| haircut1 (855hp) | This makes up for all the years we were scammed!!! PS: stay quiet or prices will start to rise!
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| jaden (509hp) | If it wasn't for management in the wrong place...
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| benji123 (955hp) | I don't understand how it is possible that in Spain the car is the most expensive....when we are in a deep crisis....Spain is differentI had a BMW E46 320d, and now I have an XC90 and a CLK 320, and I'm thinking of replacing the CLK with the new 5. To me it seems to be the best BMW in recent years... I would like to see it soon. Goodbye...
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| science (646hp) | Quote: Originally published by Acquarian The UK is now the best place to buy the new 5 Series (also Mercedes Audi etc). I'm starting to sound like a TV commercial, but anyone in Europe could make incredible savings by buying a car left in England. . In the UK a 523i costs €31,200 plus leather seats, ambient light etc as standard a 523i in Germany costs €41,900 without the standard extras available in the UK which is almost €5,000 more, Wow! The base price of the 523i in Poland is 44,000 Ј. I have leather seats, auto, sport, xenon, PDC and some other lesser options (no comfort seats, no fancy wheels, no navigation) and even with a heavy pan-European corporate teen discount on the list , my reasonably specified 523i ran at 50,000 Ј . This is partly due to the weakness of the pound sterling and the strength of other currencies. In addition, we have 18% excise duty and 22% VAT..
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| bonwit904 (582hp) | According to the official BMW Denmark price list, you need to pay Ђ95,700 for a 2011 BMW 523i or Ђ117,000 for a 535i. It takes 30 minutes to get to Denmark from where I live and Swedish prices are about 38% of Danish prices. I feel a little sorry for the Danes.
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| emmagrace1 (610hp) | No, the United States is the best place to buy a car. A base 535i can be had for around 30-32,000 euros if you do European delivery. I get a loaded 550i xDrive for the equivalent of around 48.5k euros. They don't even sell the 523i here because it would decrease the prestige of the brand (considered too cheap)).
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| guzman1 (912hp) | It's true, the UK is not the best place to buy a new car, especially the 5 series. So many damn taxes and VAT. The US is the best place and we get the same car at a much better price than in the UK. Sorry, but it's the truth. My family members pay too much for a similarly optioned car in the UK compared to me in the US..
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| rosalie (318hp) | I'm from Belgium and recently ordered my 520d from the UK. Delivery is scheduled for August. I buy the car tax free in the UK and pay VAT in Belgium. It will be supplied LHD, with a Franco-Belgian configuration and an EU conformity document. I locked the Euro/Sterling rate with a forward exchange contract to avoid any unpleasant surprises due to currency fluctuations. Concerning. delivery, the procedure is quite simple. I pay for the car when it arrives in the UK and BMW sends me the documents so I can: * pay VAT in Belgium * obtain Belgian number plates * insure the car in Belgium. Once I have the number plates and the car is insured, I drive to the delivery point in the UK. There is a delivery point near the UK side of the Channel Tunnel, approximately 2 hours by train (TGV Eurostar) from Brussels. There the vehicle is equipped with my Belgian number plates and I can return home with the car. I pay just over EUR 39,000 in the UK (including Belgian VAT and extra charges for LHD). The same car in Belgium (including 5% dealer discount) is worth more than EUR 51,000. This represents a saving of EUR 12,000 / 23%. Prices may be even better in the US, but for European customers, importing the car is not as simple and we may encounter compliance issues..
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| hogehoge (536hp) | Hi Karmakal, this seems like a good deal! I was planning to do the same thing in a few months. Do you mind if I ask, did you handle this directly with BMW (rather than a third party, importer, company)? and in this case, with BMW UK, right? It would be great if you could provide some details. If you prefer, you can send me a private message. Thank you very much in advance PS: I just hope that the Greek crisis does not ruin the value of the euro and make this kind of delivery unnecessary...
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| 14051984 (779hp) | Hello J-Raid, I believe there is only one garage where you can order BMWs for export and that is: BMW Park Lane International Sales Tourist and Export Specialist My contact is: Charlie Menard Email : [email protected] Direct Tel: +44 (0) 207 495 9522 Internal Ext: 4522 Fax: +44 (0) 207 318 9317 www.bmwparklane.com He was very helpful. I ordered the car in early March. Since then the pound sterling has gone from 1.14 to 1.18 and it appears the base price of the 520D has been increased by around 1,000 pounds, but it's still a very good deal in my opinion..
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| erhfbyf (986hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ruxp No, the US is the best place to buy a car. A base 535i can be had for around 30-32,000 euros if you do European delivery. I get a loaded 550i xDrive for the equivalent of around 48.5k euros. They don't even sell the 523i here because it would decrease the prestige of the brand (considered too cheap). Yes, the base price of the car is cheaper in the US, but I think the moment you add the package options it becomes more expensive, I haven't found it yet, but in the version British, many free options are included. such as leather seats, ambient light, etc. which are not free in the American version.
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| katten (479hp) | Quote: Originally posted by karmakal Hi J-Raid, I believe there is only one garage where you can order a BMW for export and that is: BMW Park Lane International Sales Tourist and Export Specialist My contact is: Charlie Menard Email: Charlie.Menard@BMWParkLane. co.uk Direct Tel: +44 (0) 207 495 9522 Internal Ext: 4522 Fax: +44 (0) 207 318 9317 www.bmwparklane.com He was very helpful. I ordered the car in early March. Since then the pound sterling has gone from 1.14 to 1.18 and it appears the base price of the 520D has been increased by around 1,000 pounds, but it's still a very good deal in my opinion. Thank you very much for the info! Let us know when you receive the car or any important landmarks. I hope you enjoy the car, it will be a classic
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| star100 (558hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Acquarian Yes, the base price of the car is cheaper in the US, but I think as you add in the package options it gets more expensive, I haven't found yet solution, but in the UK version, many free options are included, such as leather seats, ambient light, etc., which are not free in the US version. The base MSRP for a 550i without options included (and without xDrive) is €50,865 in the UK. I don't think you can even charge a 550i at that price in the US. Leather seats etc are all standard on the 550i btw..
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| music40 (41hp) | Hi. RUXP quotes a price of around 32,000 euros for the base 535i. Where did you get this award? It appears BMW is offering $49,130 for overseas delivery. Can you provide a person or reseller to contact? Thank you, Jesper Vesterlund.
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| cococo1 (657hp) | Hello Karmakal, Can you keep us informed about the ease of delivery. I also plan to do the same and live in Belgium as well. Do you need to change the front lights or will the F10 be delivered directly with the correct optical units compliant with Belgium. THANKS,
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| 241987 (330hp) | Quote: Posted by boromirke Hi Karmakal, Can you update us on the ease of delivery. I also plan to do the same and live in Belgium as well. Do you need to change the front lights or will the F10 be delivered directly with the correct optical units compliant with Belgium. Thanks, I'm not sure about the light blocks. Are there any special regulations in Belgium that do not apply elsewhere in the EU? As far as I know the car comes with an EU certificate of conformity and I understand that this is all I need to register the car in Belgium. My car should be delivered around mid-September. I can tell you more from now on. Contrary to what I thought, it is not possible to obtain your number plates in Belgium before collecting the car in the UK. You get temporary British plates valid for one month. Insure the car with temp. British plates in Belgium pose no problem. I just need to call my agent before collecting the car and inform them of the chassis number. of the new car. So while your temp. the plates are still valid, you have to pay VAT, go through customs (for a new car it seems quite simple and only costs 1 EUR stamp on a form). Once cleared through customs, you will receive a form which will allow you to obtain Belgian registration plates from the DIV (or transfer your current ones to the new vehicle). I understand that there is a customs office next to the DIV, so customs + DIV registration can be done in one stop. PS: As you are coming from Belgium, please note that the UK car is the 184hp version and road tax will cost you around twice as much as the tax efficient 162hp Belgian version..
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| 13041987 (232hp) | About the headlights: They'll probably be upgraded to RHD spec for UK roads, so you'll need to tune them to Belgian car inspection specs. I think your local BMW dealer will be able to do this in a few minutes. Do you know how the warranty will be organized? With the discount you get when ordering from the UK, the extra 1,250 euros in taxes won't be a problem. ?
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| pilot123 (644hp) | The entire car is said to be produced to LHD specifications. I'm pretty sure the lights will match the LHD and won't need any adjustment. The vehicle documentation and on-board interface will be in French rather than English. concerning. warranty, I asked the question. See dealer response below. >,>, I had 2 questions regarding. the warranty on the car. >,>,Here in Belgium, its 2 years of general manufacturer's warranty, 3 years of warranty on paint and 12 years of warranty against corrosion of metal parts on the bodywork. >,>,1) is the warranty the same in the UK? >,>,2) in case of problems, can I go to a garage in Belgium or do I have to bring the car back to the UK? Answer: 1) European warranty is standard as per your email below 2) Yes, all European cars are treated the same, so no, you don't have to come to the UK. In total, before additional taxes, I think I saved around 12,000 euros. Minus 1,250 EUR tax, the saving is still over 10,000. And I enjoy more horses.
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| maksimka876 (237hp) | Overall, apart from the small investment of time you need to take to order the car in London, you save a huge amount. What about the additional cost for LHD? Is it a lot or negligible. Also, what are the discount rates I can use to get my budget price? I know I'm asking for a lot of information, but this is too good an offer.
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| puggy1 (692hp) | Additional cost LHD: approximately 900 pounds including tax. VAT reduction: a little more than 3% on car + options
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| 140977 (441hp) | Hi everyone, you should not complain about the prices of the new BMW 5 in your countries. you should be happy with the price. because in the Netherlands we pay way more than you guys. for example: 523 50,000 euros 528 55,000 euros 550 95,000 euros and apart from the price I bet the Dutch version has less standard equipment. so guys be happy.
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| yahoo21 (22hp) | The new 306 hp diesel engine is already available for the 7 Series, X6 and X5. When will it be available for the new production F sedan 510?
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| peanut10 (262hp) | The new 306 hp diesel engine is already available for the 7 Series, X6 and X5. When will it be available for the new production F sedan 510?
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| millard (847hp) | This car is a pig.. 250-300 lbs compared to current generation... Less aluminum now.. 3900 for 535 is heavy.. 4200 lbs for 535xi..
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| xiliy (183hp) | ^ is this true? Or are you just guessing?
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| roucky (394hp) | Bring them to our shores immediately. I am in!
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| edward1234 (163hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Norsk I think I can hear the Stuttgart boys taking a big gulp! Already imagining what the sales chart for the new E-Class from 2010 will look like, attachment 328488, I can see the boys from Ingolstadt greeting each other. Is this what the next A6 will have to face? hahaha
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| jesus25 (177hp) | Quote: Originally posted by V1.47fan I can see the boys in Ingolstadt greeting each other. Is this what the next A6 will have to face? hahaha Touché!
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| santi (857hp) | The bracelet may have been polarizing, but that doesn't mean a return to conservative designs is automatically a good thing. This series 5 does not stand out from the crowd. This may not be a bad thing, but in the long run, innovation is key, and sticking to the same old designs will eventually make a business out of date. Look at Jaguar: before the current XF and XJ models, their cars were considered increasingly obsolete. Their design language hasn't really changed since 1968. What was good in 1968 isn't necessarily good in 2009. Obviously, some key attributes that identify BMW must be present (i.e. the grilles, the angel eyes, the cockade, etc.), but that doesn't mean you shouldn't push the limits. Retaining the essential attributes of what makes a BMW, but also striving to innovate new designs.
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| ozwol (401hp) | The new 5 Series is beautiful. The rear is
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| steph21 (943hp) | I really like it. Time will tell if the new 550 will be enough to get me out of the M3.
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| whatever14 (497hp) | It's interesting to see how closely the strap butt was copied, but how the trunk/rear lines of the e90/2 became an important styling feature in the new bimmers.
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| 199404 (145hp) | I think it's nice, more linear than the current 5 series, although I think the current series has the best rear/rear lights of any series except the E92. To me it seems like this new model brings the 5 and 3 series together again. The current 5 series is more distinct from the current 3 series. I bet it drives great too! I'm going to stick with my 335 for a while because I love it...and besides...I can't afford to buy new cars whenever I want to....
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| 30041986 (883hp) | So boring! I'm sure it drives well, but if I wanted a sedan in this price range I'd look at a slightly used Quattroporte. At least you could find it in a crowded parking lot.
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| 30061994 (961hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ChiefRes So boring! I'm sure it drives well, but if I wanted a sedan in this price range I'd look at a slightly used Quattroporte. At least you might find it in a crowded parking lot. and by boring you mean it's not as ugly as the previous z4 was?
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| 190588 (901hp) | Quote: Posted by asdfx and by boring you mean it's not as ugly as the previous z4? Hey now...I had a Z4M coupe, and even I thought the Z4 roadster was ugly. I actually LOVE the current Series 5 - I think that puts me in the minority. At least it's somewhat distinctive. This new one is as interesting as a nail.
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| juster (637hp) | Quote: Originally posted by DH2117 I'm with you. For a $50-80k automobile, the plastic front bumper seems like an afterthought. Same on 7th, see one in person - huge gap, poor fit. All I can say is why? The whole range has this design element: the bolt-on grille/front bumper with a huge ugly line on top. Damage. This has been beaten to death, but it's simple: European pedestrian protection standards require the front bumper to have a padding area as well as the front bonnet. All European brands do it. Quote: Originally posted by amdmaxx This car is a pig.. 250-300 lbs on current gen... Less aluminum now.. 3900 for 535 is heavy.. 4200 lbs for 535xi.. There is less aluminum in the monocoque (the front of the E60 clip was entirely aluminum mated to steel by a special bonding process). There is more aluminum in the rest of the car's doors, body panels, etc. The weight increase is approximately 250 pounds. it depends on the finish and equipment. The weight increase for the body in white is about half that (the rest is due to packaging: larger brakes/wheels/runflats/seats/trim/more glass). They used denser/heavier steel in the lower A/B pillar areas of the car to improve side impact protection. It is a dense, hot-molded material, therefore heavy. The car has also grown slightly.
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| luisteamo (804hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mapezzul The weight increase is approximately 250 pounds. it depends on the finish and equipment. The weight increase for the body in white is about half that (the rest is due to packaging: larger brakes/wheels/runflats/seats/trim/more glass). They used denser/heavier steel in the lower A/B pillar areas of the car to improve side impact protection. It is a dense, hot-molded material, therefore heavy. The car has also grown slightly. Well I'll tell you, there will be no excuse for the F30 to be heavier.
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| 171188 (365hp) | Quote: Posted by noro Well I'll tell you, there will be no excuse for the F30 to be heavier. Tell the government: they will start implementing new roof strength rules for the year 2011... I think they want us in the F1 Abrahms tanks. We all want things to become lighter and believe me when I say we are not the only ones! The F30 will do its best while respecting a price. I really wish I could afford an all-aluminum BMW space frame, but that's way out of reach...but a steel model that weighs more will still do the job better than anything else (unless I run out something).).
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| smail.ru (48hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Wolfman The bracelet may have been polarizing, but that doesn't mean a return to conservative designs is automatically a good thing. This series 5 does not stand out from the crowd. This may not be a bad thing, but in the long run, innovation is key, and sticking to the same old designs will eventually make a business out of date. Look at Jaguar: before the current XF and XJ models, their cars were considered increasingly obsolete. Their design language hasn't really changed since 1968. What was good in 1968 isn't necessarily good in 2009. +1 I read recently that in part because of VW's acquisition of Porsche, the 911 could be on the chopping block. VAG wants a lot more innovation and new models from Porsche and the fact is that mid-engined models like the Cayman handle better. FWIW.
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| adine (453hp) | This car is a pig.. 250-300 lbs compared to current generation... Less aluminum now.. 3900 for 535 is heavy.. 4200 lbs for 535xi..
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| 060182 (783hp) | ^ is this true? Or are you just guessing?
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| happyface1 (869hp) | Bring them to our shores immediately. I am in!
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| 198505 (320hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Norsk I think I can hear the Stuttgart boys taking a big gulp! Already imagining what the sales chart for the new E-Class from 2010 will look like, attachment 328488, I can see the boys from Ingolstadt greeting each other. Is this what the next A6 will have to face? hahaha
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| usmc1775 (616hp) | Quote: Originally posted by V1.47fan I can see the boys in Ingolstadt greeting each other. Is this what the next A6 will have to face? hahaha Touché!
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| 30111981 (343hp) | The bracelet may have been polarizing, but that doesn't mean a return to conservative designs is automatically a good thing. This series 5 does not stand out from the crowd. This may not be a bad thing, but in the long run, innovation is key, and sticking to the same old designs will eventually make a business out of date. Look at Jaguar: before the current XF and XJ models, their cars were considered increasingly obsolete. Their design language hasn't really changed since 1968. What was good in 1968 isn't necessarily good in 2009. Obviously, some key attributes that identify BMW must be present (i.e. the grilles, the angel eyes, the cockade, etc.), but that doesn't mean you shouldn't push the limits. Retaining the essential attributes of what makes a BMW, but also striving to innovate new designs.
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| Frank DeGennaro (886hp) | The new 5 Series is beautiful. The rear is
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| tommie (257hp) | I really like it. Time will tell if the new 550 will be enough to get me out of the M3.
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| chewy2 (320hp) | It's interesting to see how closely the strap butt was copied, but how the trunk/rear lines of the e90/2 became an important styling feature in the new bimmers.
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| booster (881hp) | I think it's nice, more linear than the current 5 series, although I think the current series has the best rear/rear lights of any series except the E92. To me it seems like this new model brings the 5 and 3 series together again. The current 5 series is more distinct from the current 3 series. I bet it drives great too! I'm going to stick with my 335 for a while because I love it...and besides...I can't afford to buy new cars whenever I want to....
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| babe123 (784hp) | So boring! I'm sure it drives well, but if I wanted a sedan in this price range I'd look at a slightly used Quattroporte. At least you could find it in a crowded parking lot.
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| yandel (340hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ChiefRes So boring! I'm sure it drives well, but if I wanted a sedan in this price range I'd look at a slightly used Quattroporte. At least you might find it in a crowded parking lot. and by boring you mean it's not as ugly as the previous z4 was?
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| sunnyd (146hp) | Quote: Posted by asdfx and by boring you mean it's not as ugly as the previous z4? Hey now...I had a Z4M coupe, and even I thought the Z4 roadster was ugly. I actually LOVE the current Series 5 - I think that puts me in the minority. At least it's somewhat distinctive. This new one is as interesting as a nail.
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