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| killers2 (565hp) | Does she want to buy a set of aftermarket bumpers and tailpipes? I can give her a discount of up to $39,500 if she pays cash.!
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| mironov (478hp) | The high price differences are entirely due to a heavy tax for engines > 3.0 liters. 180,000 USD+ for this coupe
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| 120994 (607hp) | There is a 2009 e60 545i 4800cc with single-sided exhaust outlets at the bottom. I don't know what the owner was thinking - I should have waited a year and for almost the same price I got double-sided trapezoidal tailpipes. Poor guy, he's destroying the planet and doesn't even attract the attention of car thieves..
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| obi4amte (525hp) | Quote: Originally posted by SomeRandomer123 Haha, I knew this would cause controversy! We have been played.
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| screwu (658hp) | Honestly speaking.....Sometimes I have similar feelings about standing out on a more expensive car.......Only for a second, though. I then realized that I would either stand out in the eyes of the police for speeding or in the eyes of thieves. Ultimately, it's more about the enjoyment of the car. For status I would buy something else where I sit in the back or that only has 2 doors......
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| yusuf (11hp) | Here we go again...
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| spatel19 (719hp) | Well, we have all already made the decision to buy a new BMW F10. By doing this we have already chosen to pay 10,000-20,000+ euros more than we would have to pay compared to a standard car. In this context, the last 3,000 to 8,000 euros don't really matter, the vast majority of people will be impressed by the brand, a BMW. If it's important to you.
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| bombis (220hp) | Quote: Originally posted by SomeRandomer123 There is no difference in the appearance of the 520d and 530d!! Both have the chrome grilles from the 30d and both have the dual exhaust from the 30d! What's going on?! A $30,000 car should surely stand out from a $40,000 car! For this reason, the 5 Series is not on the list to be our next car. Why did BMW do this? I hope they don't do this for the new 3 Series later this year or that it's off the list too! In fact, there is a difference. Quite striking too. 520d vs 530d And when you order your 530d, don't be tempted by the FREE Debadge option!
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| 7979 (776hp) | Quote: Posted by SomeRandomer123 ...Why did BMW do this?...It's absolutely outrageous. I can't believe they neglected to consult you at the design stage
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| debra1 (292hp) | If it makes you feel better, my F10 520d sounds like a tractor while idling. Happy?
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| hoppy1 (785hp) | Haha, I knew this would cause controversy!
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| babypink1 (29hp) | Quote: Originally posted by SomeRandomer123 Haha, I knew this would cause controversy! I don't see much controversy, it seems all but one agree
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| oklick (585hp) | Why are you running on public roads? I imagine those who drive 535s are really pissed off in case people mistake them for lowly 530!
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| drumset (945hp) | Quote: Originally published by RCUK Why do you run on public roads? I imagine those who drive 535s are really pissed off in case people mistake them for a lowly 530! The 535 has a separate dual exhaust so it stands out from the 530 and it doesn't race, it accelerates as fast as possible to the legal speed limit while another car does the same next to you..
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| andreadebi (928hp) | Hilarious responses but I think we're being a little harsh on OP. Of course, the BS about exclusivity and drag racing makes no sense... but: For me, the doppelendrohr, i.e. the double exhaust pipe, symbolizes the classic R6. BMW's exhaust policy used to look like this: single tailpipe ->, 4-cylinder dual tailpipe ->, 6-cylinder quad tailpipe ->, M So for a BMW connoisseur, even an unbadged R6 was immediately recognizable. I think it's more of a European thing because for most Americans, 6 cylinder engines are nothing special. Unlike Europe where 4-cylinder cars represent at least 90% of sales. So I'm a little nostalgic that BMW abandoned their policy, but they probably had to. Even the most common Peugeot, Renault and Opel today are equipped with 2 tailpipes, so BMW had to improve the 520d..
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| pap (332hp) | This will be a good thing because I've been told it looks like a tractor.
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| clbmw (686hp) | Quote: Originally posted by EdwinF10 Hilarious replies but I think we're being a little harsh on OP. Of course, the BS about exclusivity and drag racing makes no sense... but: For me, the doppelendrohr, i.e. double exhaust, symbolizes the classic R6. BMW's exhaust policy used to look like this: single tailpipe ->, 4-cylinder dual tailpipe ->, 6-cylinder quad tailpipe ->, M So for a BMW connoisseur, even an unbadged R6 was immediately recognizable. I think it's more of a European thing because for most Americans, 6 cylinder engines are nothing special. Unlike Europe where 4-cylinder cars represent at least 90% of sales. So I'm a little nostalgic that BMW abandoned their policy, but they probably had to. Even the most common Peugeot, Renault and Opel today are equipped with 2 tailpipes, so BMW had to improve the 520d. That's what I'm getting at! Almost all damn cars are 4 cylinders, so here especially the 6 should stand out...
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| killer666 (514hp) | Quote: Originally posted by SomeRandomer123 That's what I'm getting at! Almost all cars are 4 cylinders, so here especially, the 6 should stand out... Why? For what it's worth...my 4.4L E39 V8 only had one exhaust. Seriously, aren't we all more grown-up than the need to identify what car we own, by things like number of exhaust pipes or chrome trim? HighlandPete
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| thunder! (493hp) | Quote: Originally posted by SomeRandomer123 People who buy 20ds are usually not interested in having fun anyway, so they will receive unwanted attention. I can speak here for all 520d owners and assure you that: (i) We want to have fun. Personally, you could ask my children, my girlfriend, my friends and my work colleagues. I'm pretty sure they would quash your theory that I don't like to have fun. Naturally, the context of pleasure is different in its fundamental nature, social acceptability, location, position (ha ha, I said position), and time of day. Denying the diversity of pleasure would both make me weird and probably head me towards a long period at Her Majesty's pleasure. But in short, I would like to repeat: 520d owners like to have fun. (ii) Regarding unwanted attention - yes, it happens from time to time, but generally speaking, I don't mind people admiring my car. As long as it's not burglars. I think burglars are limited to stealing from houses, so it's probably car thieves I really don't want to draw attention to..
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| acer (149hp) | Quote: Originally posted by HighlandPete Why? For what it's worth...my 4.4L E39 V8 only had one exhaust. Seriously, aren't we all more grown-up than the need to identify what car we own, by things like number of exhaust pipes or chrome trim? HighlandPete Believe it or not, exhaust design is a very important part of automotive design today. Seems like many customers care. And yes, at the time of the e39, no one gave a damn. But apparently, priorities have changed. But not here on the forum, we are too big for that.
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| nessie1 (371hp) | Quote: Originally Posted by EdwinF10 Believe it or not, exhaust design is a very important part of automotive design today. Seems like many customers care. Very true indeed. Last month a friend of mine asked me which MB she should get with the size around her current C280 with sport pack (which was also my suggestion). I told him to wait until the end of this year for the 2012 E350 coupe because of the new engine and interior upgrades. She didn't want to wait that long and didn't care about the engine size. So I suggest he buy the E250 coupe which already has the new engine. A few days passed, she drove an E350 because it has a nicer bumper (AMG package) and exhaust pipes!!! which costs him more than 40,000 USD in price difference.
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| LoganN55 (314hp) | Quote: Originally posted by pyramid... A few days passed, she was driving an E350 because it had a nicer bumper (AMG package) and exhaust pipes!!! costing him more than $40,000 in price difference. Wow, $40,000 for a bumper and tailpipes, I think it's been seen there
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| Supermerkin (486hp) | Does she want to buy a set of aftermarket bumpers and tailpipes? I can give her a discount of up to $39,500 if she pays cash.!
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| goon4life (793hp) | After test driving a 535i today, I'm about to order a 530d. Has anyone heard when to expect the new engine in the 530xd?
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| iamcool! (107hp) | The high price differences are entirely due to a heavy tax for engines > 3.0 liters. 180,000 USD+ for this coupe
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| yourmom13 (763hp) | Production of the 530D with the 258 HP engine starts in September. The price difference on a lease between 530d and 530xd is $30 per month.
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| killer18 (456hp) | There is a 2009 e60 545i 4800cc with single-sided exhaust outlets at the bottom. I don't know what the owner was thinking - I should have waited a year and for almost the same price I got double-sided trapezoidal tailpipes. Poor guy, he's destroying the planet and doesn't even attract the attention of car thieves..
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| aq12ws (328hp) | After test driving a 535i today, I'm about to order a 530d. Has anyone heard when to expect the new engine in the 530xd?
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| mini123 (255hp) | Quote: Originally posted by SomeRandomer123 Haha, I knew this would cause controversy! We have been played.
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| marmara (101hp) | Production of the 530D with the 258 HP engine starts in September. The price difference on a lease between 530d and 530xd is $30 per month.
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| 080890 (11hp) | Honestly speaking.....Sometimes I have similar feelings about standing out on a more expensive car.......Only for a second, though. I then realized that I would either stand out in the eyes of the police for speeding or in the eyes of thieves. Ultimately, it's more about the enjoyment of the car. For status I would buy something else where I sit in the back or that only has 2 doors......
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| banking1 (503hp) | Here we go again...
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| 231992 (313hp) | Well, we have all already made the decision to buy a new BMW F10. By doing this we have already chosen to pay 10,000-20,000+ euros more than we would have to pay compared to a standard car. In this context, the last 3,000 to 8,000 euros don't really matter, the vast majority of people will be impressed by the brand, a BMW. If it's important to you.
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| 070285 (723hp) | Quote: Originally posted by SomeRandomer123 There is no difference in the appearance of the 520d and 530d!! Both have the chrome grilles from the 30d and both have the dual exhaust from the 30d! What's going on?! A $30,000 car should surely stand out from a $40,000 car! For this reason, the 5 Series is not on the list to be our next car. Why did BMW do this? I hope they don't do this for the new 3 Series later this year or that's off the list too! In fact, there is a difference. Quite striking too. 520d vs 530d And when you order your 530d, don't be tempted by the FREE Debadge option!
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| goleafsgo (705hp) | One of the biggest complaints I read about this car before renting one was about the new electronic steering causing a floating feeling in the steering. This equated to more of a luxury car feel and less of a BMW. What I was saying in this paragraph was in sport plus mode in my car, I didn't notice a significant difference. I noticed this at the non-sport 550 dealer I tested. I didn't feel comfortable detaching the rear of my 2009 550 car in a corner. I do with this one.
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| allahoakbar (481hp) | BMW's big complaint is that Americans ask for a manual transmission and never buy it...glad to see someone finally come along. Definitely a car I'll add to my stable in a year or so 2.
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| a123b456 (749hp) | Quote: Originally published by ICALL One of the biggest complaints I read about this car before renting one was about the new electronic steering causing a floating feeling in the steering. This equated to more of a luxury car feel and less of a BMW. What I was saying in this paragraph was in sport plus mode in my car, I didn't notice a significant difference. I noticed this at the non-sport 550 dealer I tested. I didn't feel comfortable detaching the rear of my 2009 550 car in a corner. I'm going with this one. How is the steering in sport mode. I hear Sport plus turns off traction control. I've only driven 550s with Sport and the adaptive transmission. I wonder if the sport package changes the direction or if the adaptive sport makes it less floaty... You can't adapt without sport. Is there any sport without the necessary adaptive care? No msport is good since the functionality is included in this pack...
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| misty13 (330hp) | Quote: Originally posted by raleedy I would find it relatively easy to abandon all-wheel drive, as it adds weight and complexity and decreases balance and handling while not doing much of anything other than providing improved traction for acceleration. Of course, I don't know what the car is for, but I think most people would get along just fine with a good set of winter tires and rear-wheel drive. How about a 535xi stick...I don't think a 6 speed would be a tough decision for snowbelt areas who just want to have good control of their cars..
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| 140892 (591hp) | Quote: Posted by jk3355 How is the steering in sport mode. I hear Sport plus turns off traction control. I've only driven 550s with Sport and the adaptive transmission. Sport mode does not deactivate traction control. Sport+ mode puts the traction control in DTC mode. It's like pressing the traction control button once on the 335i. I have IAS and dynamic management package. I've never had a problem with the steering feel. Yes, it's different from the 335i I had before. But IAS gives my 535i incredible handling and feel.
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| allison11 (618hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ibimmer346 Sport mode does not disable traction control. Sport+ mode puts the traction control in DTC mode. It's like pressing the traction control button once on the 335i. I have IAS and dynamic management package. I've never had a problem with the steering feel. Yes, it's different from the 335i I had before. But IAS gives my 535i incredible handling and feel. Perhaps the real trick is to achieve active management through dynamic management. So many options for changing the handshake of these cars. Someone should have included this active handling in the Dynamic Handlign package. Or sport pack M. So, conclusion, is the 535i sharp and not numb in the center. All the major magazines punish the manipulation aspect...
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| zamboni (336hp) | I miss driving my 6pd!!!
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| 010478 (657hp) | Quote: Posted by KRUZN335 I miss driving my 6pd!!! It's a dying breed, these 6 speeds!
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| sheeba (913hp) | Yes, for dynamic reasons we should have a Dynamic Sportmode selector! The DSS could be located at the site of the gear shift lever (so perhaps redundant?). So every automotive journalist could have their pick of the setup possibilities by playing with the controllers while trying to imagine something interesting to say about ride quality and road feel..
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| king19 (885hp) | Being a 4 door, 5 passenger sedan, I think it doesn't have to be Americans but rather families where the mom or dad doesn't really have to deal with traffic changes , etc. after a day with family. To me, this is the most luxurious and capable fused car that could be a good fit for a family. If it was just me and my wife (or single) I'd probably have an M3 coupe with a manual transmission of course..
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| 11051986 (295hp) | ixneh on the Cadi eh!
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| kiki00 (764hp) | I'm in a similar dilemma. I've never had an automatic – I'm not even sure I know how to drive one. I've had 6 Bimmers, including a 2000 E39 540i/6, a 2002 E39 M5, and my current 2008 E90 M3. (I've also had a Mercedes-Benz 190 and a Peugeot 505 Turbo, both with manuals.) I'm still a little on the fence about the size/mass of the F10, but I'm currently leaning toward a 550i RWD with a transmission appropriate - the manual. No pedal deficit -- like a missing clutch pedal -- for me! As for the steering, I had the adaptive steering in a 2007 335i coupe, I loved it at low speeds, but it dulled the advantage at highway speeds, so I'd probably avoid it. Does anyone have adaptive steering on the F10? Thoughts??
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| CJ 43 (652hp) | Quote: Posted by MBrown1003 Does anyone have adaptive steering on the F10? Thoughts?? I do it and I love it. I tested cars with and without Integral Active Steering (new name for what you call adaptive?) and liked the IAS equipped cars better in all situations. I posted here or at bimmerfest my impressions after 1,800 miles which include the IAS direction. My car is a 550i with a 6 speed manual.
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| sesshoumaru (70hp) | I agree. I really like IAS. I have IAS with 6MT on a 535i. Truly fabulous to drive. I tested 550i and 535i GT which did not have IAS. The difference was very evident even in the parking lot. Much easier to drive my car with IAS. It's more responsive at low speeds and easy to drive at highway speeds. Awesome all around. Makes the car very agile thanks to the 4 steering wheels.
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| elephants1 (966hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 1HOT BMR I do it and I love it. I tested cars with and without Integral Active Steering (new name for what you call adaptive?) and liked the IAS equipped cars better in all situations. I posted here or at bimmerfest my impressions after 1,800 miles which include the IAS direction. My car is a 550i with a 6 speed manual. Does it numb the steering at highway speeds? I remember driving the M3 after having a 335i with IAS (formerly adaptive steering) for about 18 months and really preferring the crisp, responsive steering at highway speeds. However, I agree that at low speed, it is a marvel. (The 550i with manual is probably my next car.)
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| 250695 (699hp) | There is nothing numb about it, the wheel moves immediately and offers no resistance to the slightest change of direction. If you want a little resistance when moving the steering wheel off-center, give your car a little toe beyond what the specs call for - you'll get uneven wear on your tires, but you'll get that crisp feeling that you speak. My NSX requires toe-in at the front, the more I add, the more precise the steering becomes and the more resistance I encounter when trying to move the wheel off-center. It feels super planted at speed and tracks like it's following a center rail on the pavement, but the tires wear out inside and need replacing after 10,000 miles. BTW, my NSX also has electric steering and there's nothing numb about it either.
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| pippa (141hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 1HOT BMR There is nothing numb, the wheel moves immediately and offers no resistance to the slightest change of direction. If you want a little resistance when moving the steering wheel off-center, give your car a little toe beyond what the specs call for - you'll get uneven wear on your tires, but you'll get that crisp feeling that you speak. My NSX requires toe-in at the front, the more I add, the more precise the steering becomes and the more resistance I encounter when trying to move the wheel off-center. It feels super planted at speed and tracks like it's following a center rail on the pavement, but the tires wear out inside and need replacing after 10,000 miles. BTW, my NSX also has electric steering and there's nothing numb about it either. This is the best post in the entire thread. I have long believed that many reviewers think that electronic power steering hinders the car. I think it's just the next technological step forward. People are of course upset that the e60 and e90 don't have this setup. The next 3 series will have what I read. I like the idea that people were upset about power steering many moons ago. Still, the NSX has that 90s technology and it's considered one of the best sports cars of that era at less than 100 000 $..
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| 199112 (316hp) | Quote: Originally published by 1HOT BMR There is nothing numb, the wheel moves immediately and offers no resistance to the slightest change of direction. If you want a little resistance when moving the steering wheel off-center, give your car a little toe beyond what the specs call for - you'll get uneven wear on your tires, but you'll get that crisp feeling that you speak. My NSX requires toe-in at the front, the more I add, the more precise the steering becomes and the more resistance I encounter when trying to move the wheel off-center. It feels super planted at speed and tracks like it's following a center rail on the pavement, but the tires wear out on the inside and need to be replaced after 10,000 miles. BTW, my NSX also has electric steering and there's nothing numb about it either. Okay, I honestly don't know what it is, although I had a traction issue, the steering itself and its relationship to the pavement and feedback on the steering wheel was impeccable. I found my F10 550i very pleasant to drive and look forward to its replacement in a few weeks..
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| 02051983 (889hp) | Wow, I know this thread is old, but wow, it was informative. I ordered my F10 550i 6S MT a week ago and I was starting to wonder if I had made the right choice. After reading this entire thread, I'm so happy with my choice. I can't wait for it to arrive! Thank you all for your information.
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| bailey08 (60hp) | One of the biggest complaints I read about this car before renting one was about the new electronic steering causing a floating feeling in the steering. This equated to more of a luxury car feel and less of a BMW. What I was saying in this paragraph was in sport plus mode in my car, I didn't notice a significant difference. I noticed this at the non-sport 550 dealer I tested. I didn't feel comfortable detaching the rear of my 2009 550 car in a corner. I do with this one.
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| akusayangk (516hp) | BMW's big complaint is that Americans ask for a manual transmission and never buy it...glad to see someone finally come along. Definitely a car I'll add to my stable in a year or so 2.
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| fengshui (357hp) | Quote: Originally published by ICALL One of the biggest complaints I read about this car before renting one was about the new electronic steering causing a floating feeling in the steering. This equated to more of a luxury car feel and less of a BMW. What I was saying in this paragraph was in sport plus mode in my car, I didn't notice a significant difference. I noticed this at the non-sport 550 dealer I tested. I didn't feel comfortable detaching the rear of my 2009 550 car in a corner. I'm going with this one. How is the steering in sport mode. I hear Sport plus turns off traction control. I've only driven 550s with Sport and the adaptive transmission. I wonder if the sport package changes the direction or if the adaptive sport makes it less floaty... You can't adapt without sport. Is there any sport without the necessary adaptive care? No msport is good since the functionality is included in this pack...
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| mbox (226hp) | Quote: Originally posted by raleedy I would find it relatively easy to abandon all-wheel drive, as it adds weight and complexity and decreases balance and handling while not doing much of anything other than providing improved traction for acceleration. Of course, I don't know what the car is for, but I think most people would get along just fine with a good set of winter tires and rear-wheel drive. How about a 535xi stick...I don't think a 6 speed would be a tough decision for snowbelt areas who just want to have good control of their cars..
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| 121071 (933hp) | Quote: Posted by jk3355 How is the steering in sport mode. I hear Sport plus turns off traction control. I've only driven 550s with Sport and the adaptive transmission. Sport mode does not deactivate traction control. Sport+ mode puts the traction control in DTC mode. It's like pressing the traction control button once on the 335i. I have IAS and dynamic management package. I've never had a problem with the steering feel. Yes, it's different from the 335i I had before. But IAS gives my 535i incredible handling and feel.
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| buster4 (770hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ibimmer346 Sport mode does not disable traction control. Sport+ mode puts the traction control in DTC mode. It's like pressing the traction control button once on the 335i. I have IAS and dynamic management package. I've never had a problem with the steering feel. Yes, it's different from the 335i I had before. But IAS gives my 535i incredible handling and feel. Perhaps the real trick is to achieve active management through dynamic management. So many options for changing the handshake of these cars. Someone should have included this active handling in the Dynamic Handlign package. Or sport pack M. So, conclusion, is the 535i sharp and not numb in the center. All the major magazines punish the manipulation aspect...
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| kar335 (206hp) | I miss driving my 6pd!!!
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| 21051990 (289hp) | Quote: Posted by KRUZN335 I miss driving my 6pd!!! It's a dying breed, these 6 speeds!
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| sinister1 (589hp) | Yes, for dynamic reasons we should have a Dynamic Sportmode selector! The DSS could be located at the site of the gear shift lever (so perhaps redundant?). So every automotive journalist could have their pick of the setup possibilities by playing with the controllers while trying to imagine something interesting to say about ride quality and road feel..
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| spider01 (452hp) | Being a 4 door, 5 passenger sedan, I think it doesn't necessarily have to be Americans but rather families where the mom or dad doesn't really have to deal with traffic changes etc. after a day with family. To me, this is the most luxurious and capable fused car that could be a good fit for a family. If it was just me and my wife (or single) I'd probably have an M3 coupe with a manual transmission of course..
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| bganiev (946hp) | ixneh on the Cadi eh!
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| elmasry17 (851hp) | I'm in a similar dilemma. I've never had an automatic – I'm not even sure I know how to drive one. I've had 6 Bimmers, including a 2000 E39 540i/6, a 2002 E39 M5, and my current 2008 E90 M3. (I've also had a Mercedes-Benz 190 and a Peugeot 505 Turbo, both with manuals.) I'm still a little on the fence about the size/mass of the F10, but I'm currently leaning toward a 550i RWD with a transmission appropriate - the manual. No pedal deficit -- like a missing clutch pedal -- for me! As for the steering, I had the adaptive steering in a 2007 335i coupe, I loved it at low speeds, but it dulled the advantage at highway speeds, so I'd probably avoid it. Does anyone have adaptive steering on the F10? Thoughts??
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| happyme (520hp) | Quote: Posted by MBrown1003 Does anyone have adaptive steering on the F10? Thoughts?? I do it and I love it. I tested cars with and without Integral Active Steering (new name for what you call adaptive?) and liked the IAS equipped cars better in all situations. I posted here or at bimmerfest my impressions after 1,800 miles which include the IAS direction. My car is a 550i with a 6 speed manual.
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| 2102 (264hp) | I agree. I really like IAS. I have IAS with 6MT on a 535i. Truly fabulous to drive. I tested 550i and 535i GT which did not have IAS. The difference was very evident even in the parking lot. Much easier to drive my car with IAS. It's more responsive at low speeds and easy to drive at highway speeds. Awesome all around. Makes the car very agile thanks to the 4 steering wheels.
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| fast (226hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 1HOT BMR I do it and I love it. I tested cars with and without Integral Active Steering (new name for what you call adaptive?) and liked the IAS equipped cars better in all situations. I posted here or at bimmerfest my impressions after 1,800 miles which include the IAS direction. My car is a 550i with a 6 speed manual. Does it numb the steering at highway speeds? I remember driving the M3 after having a 335i with IAS (formerly adaptive steering) for about 18 months and really preferring the crisp, responsive steering at highway speeds. However, I agree that at low speed, it is a marvel. (The 550i with manual is probably my next car.)
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| jmeverett1 (914hp) | There is nothing numb about it, the wheel moves immediately and offers no resistance to the slightest change of direction. If you want a little resistance when moving the steering wheel off-center, give your car a little toe beyond what the specs call for - you'll get uneven wear on your tires, but you'll get that crisp feeling that you speak. My NSX requires toe-in at the front, the more I add, the more precise the steering becomes and the more resistance I encounter when trying to move the wheel off-center. It feels super planted at speed and tracks like it's following a center rail on the pavement, but the tires wear out inside and need replacing after 10,000 miles. BTW, my NSX also has electric steering and there's nothing numb about it either.
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| Bentley1 (214hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 1HOT BMR There is nothing numb, the wheel moves immediately and offers no resistance to the slightest change of direction. If you want a little resistance when moving the steering wheel off-center, give your car a little toe beyond what the specs call for - you'll get uneven wear on your tires, but you'll get that crisp feeling that you speak. My NSX requires toe-in at the front, the more I add, the more precise the steering becomes and the more resistance I encounter when trying to move the wheel off-center. It feels super planted at speed and tracks like it's following a center rail on the pavement, but the tires wear out on the inside and need to be replaced after 10,000 miles. BTW, my NSX also has electric steering and there's nothing numb about it either. This is the best post in the entire thread. I have long believed that many reviewers think that electronic power steering hinders the car. I think it's just the next technological step forward. People are of course upset that the e60 and e90 don't have this setup. The next 3 series will have what I read. I like the idea that people were upset about power steering many moons ago. Still, the NSX has that 90s technology and it's considered one of the best sports cars of that era at less than 100 000 $..
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| Mark's M (330hp) | Quote: Originally published by 1HOT BMR There is nothing numb, the wheel moves immediately and offers no resistance to the slightest change of direction. If you want a little resistance when moving the steering wheel off-center, give your car a little toe beyond what the specs call for - you'll get uneven wear on your tires, but you'll get that crisp feeling that you speak. My NSX requires toe-in at the front, the more I add, the more precise the steering becomes and the more resistance I encounter when trying to move the wheel off-center. It feels super planted at speed and tracks like it's following a center rail on the pavement, but the tires wear out on the inside and need to be replaced after 10,000 miles. BTW, my NSX also has electric steering and there's nothing numb about it either. Okay, I honestly don't know what it is, although I had a traction issue, the steering itself and its relationship to the pavement and feedback on the steering wheel was impeccable. I found my F10 550i very pleasant to drive and look forward to its replacement in a few weeks..
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| elantra (120hp) | Wow, I know this thread is old, but wow, it was informative. I ordered my F10 550i 6S MT a week ago and I was starting to wonder if I had made the right choice. After reading this entire thread, I'm so happy with my choice. I can't wait for it to arrive! Thank you all for your information.
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| zoosk2010 (985hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Kayman Sometimes it's best to reduce the driver's bombardment of information. It would be nice to turn off the screen 99.9% of the time and just enjoy the view and the rev counter while it's marked. My thief suggestion was to put a piece of cardboard! Really. Cardboard in an $80,000 car? WTF. So why not just turn off the screen?
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| 121194 (583hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Needsdecaf So why not just turn off the screen? Better fix it...just break it!
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| ainsley (940hp) | One thing I don't like about my car is the standard halogen headlights. The lights are really bad. In the city, you don't really notice it with all the street lights. But while driving on the open road, you notice how bad the lights are. Especially when it rains. They should make xenons standard on the 5 series. Or they should give us an aftermarket upgrade option
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| punani (890hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Kayman Sometimes it's best to reduce the driver's bombardment of information. It would be nice to turn off the screen 99.9% of the time and just enjoy the view and the rev counter while it's marked. My thief suggestion was to put a piece of cardboard! Really. Cardboard in an $80,000 car? WTF. You know you can turn off the screen correctly?
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| gracie12 (758hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ghueser You know you can turn off the screen right?
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| liana1 (500hp) | It is disappointing that BMW cannot offer a spare tire for my F10. I hate that!
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| wipro (942hp) | There is something about the e39 that sets it apart from so many others! It's like any Carpenters song. Sing! Sing a song! Okay, that was cheesy and deserved your vomit smileys. Nevertheless, it is true. The e39 is timeless. Quote: Posted by OS You should have bought another brand. Apparently what most of us here value about BMW has little or no value to you. I don't mean this in a critical way. Everyone has different values. You probably would have been happier in a Lexus or Infinity. Gadgets and little annoyances aren't as important to me, for example, to the extent that the joy of driving the best car on the road overshadows them all. If I couldn't buy an F10 and was presented with a choice among all the competing cars while keeping my e39 for example, I would take my old e39 - and it had no gadgets at all. But it's me. You probably should have done better research and test-drove the car for longer than you did. My salesman offered me a full day of driving an F10 before I made my decision. All I needed was 5 minutes. I don't care for all the technical padding it contained. The car was the best looking car on the road, the interior was superb and it drove like a champ. These things mattered to me so I bought it. If the pleasure of driving wasn't there, I would have bought an Audi. The best thing after BMW. Everyone is different. Sorry to see you're not happy. Quote: Originally posted by Kayman In no particular order...here are some of the things I wish BMW had thought through to make the car's functions more like those of the ultimate driver's machine. 1) The parking assist function should not need to be activated manually when entering a parking space with an obstacle in front. (This is a 6 year old standard feature in a Lexus with dynamic parking settings.) 2) The heated seats are hot in a "nuclear meltdown" and I wish we could adjust the settings to our own temperature preference for low/medium/high. 3) Automatic wipers do not stay engaged when the engine is stopped and restarted. Not very automatic IMHO. (Again, standard technology for most brands) 4) The navigation screen does not stay off and restarts on every time the car takes an action. I would prefer the screen to stay off unless showing an incoming call/parking assist/etc. I don't want to be distracted by the screen and preprogramming one of my eight presets still requires me to manually turn it off each time. Again, this is years old technology. 5) On my third Blackberry (Torch/Bold/Curve) and I still can't get email to work!!!! I purchased a third party calendar app and it had no issues. Hoping they release an email app to shame your bad email/blackberry service. I'm going to my dealer to get a credit on your non-working Office software and I know I'm one of the many disappointed. If I had known, I probably would have bought a different brand of car. So BMW, if you read these valid driver complaints, how about upgrading the car software to make the car better ?!
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| ayad (775hp) | how about fingerprints on the projector lens! - how do you clean that!!.
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| roswell1 (842hp) | The WEIGHT of the cars is too heavy.
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| love4all (356hp) | Quote: Originally posted by sunnyUK, how about fingerprints on the projector lens! - how do you clean that!!. Bring it in and get a new headlight under warranty. Oils on the glass could cause strange distortions in your beams.
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| Lowkey F10 (891hp) | The F10 is my first BMW and the only "complaint" I had with mine is that for some reason the navigation system's zoom in/out direction seemed counterintuitive at first. But I'm used to it now... Everything else, although new to me, seemed completely intuitive. I agree, it would be nice to be able to enable/disable some things by default - eg seat heating, steering wheel in winter, rain sensor - but it's really nice to have.
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| Mitaka (944hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Breach The F10 is my first BMW and the only "complaint" I had with mine is that for some reason the zoom in/out direction of the navigation system seemed against -intuitive at the start. Ha. My wife's car is across the street, but I drive it quite often, especially if we go away for the weekend. When it happens, I finally figure it out in my head, then I get back in my car on Monday and do it backwards..
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| winkle (208hp) | I really don't like where the iDrive button is, I'm constantly reaching for it and grabbing that stupid ashtray...
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| 1234567890s (192hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Breach The F10 is my first BMW and the only "complaint" I had with mine is that for some reason the zoom in/out direction of the navigation system seemed against -intuitive at the start. But I'm used to it now... Everything else, although new to me, seemed completely intuitive. I agree that it would be nice to be able to enable/disable some things by default - eg seat heating, steering wheel in winter, rain sensor - but it's really nice to have. Is your direction to the right or to the left? With the steering on the left, I think it's VERY intuitive: turn the knob to the left (towards you) to zoom in (or closer to me) and to the right (far) to zoom out (away). Heading right, if it always behaved the same way, then I would agree.
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| steven11 (53hp) | 1) Weight 2) RFT 3) Electronic steering lacks feel But an excellent car nonetheless overall.
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| tomaszkrawczyk (683hp) | RFT/no spare tires, Navigator, outward visibility, high hood, forced low seating position to view the dashboard, limited interior space given the car's exterior dimensions - including rear legroom, interior storage limited, it burns oil. I don't hate any of the items listed above except the no-spare RFT situation and the fact that BMW forced me to accept them in order to buy the car. Overall I like the car but I'm not in love.
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| nikki7 (116hp) | I hate when my alarm goes off and wakes up the whole neighborhood
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| Johnja (724hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Kayman Sometimes it's best to reduce the driver's bombardment of information. It would be nice to turn off the screen 99.9% of the time and just enjoy the view and the rev counter while it appears. My thief suggestion was to put a piece of cardboard! Really. Cardboard in an $80,000 car? WTF. So why not just turn off the screen?
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| pimp17 (196hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Needsdecaf So why not just turn off the screen? Better fix it...just break it!
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| 07031984 (964hp) | One thing I don't like about my car is the standard halogen headlights. The lights are really bad. In the city, you don't really notice it with all the street lights. But while driving on the open road, you notice how bad the lights are. Especially when it rains. They should make xenons standard on the 5 series. Or they should give us an aftermarket upgrade option
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| trupti (856hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Kayman Sometimes it's best to reduce the driver's bombardment of information. It would be nice to turn off the screen 99.9% of the time and just enjoy the view and the rev counter while it's marked. My thief suggestion was to put a piece of cardboard! Really. Cardboard in an $80,000 car? WTF. You know you can turn off the screen correctly?
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| snooker1 (976hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ghueser You know you can turn off the screen right?
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| 111185 (193hp) | It is disappointing that BMW cannot offer a spare tire for my F10. I hate that!
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| cool100 (673hp) | There is something about the e39 that sets it apart from so many others! It's like any Carpenters song. Sing! Sing a song! Okay, that was cheesy and deserved your vomit smileys. Nevertheless, it is true. The e39 is timeless. Quote: Posted by OS You should have bought another brand. Apparently what most of us here value about BMW has little or no value to you. I don't mean this in a critical way. Everyone has different values. You probably would have been happier in a Lexus or Infinity. Gadgets and little annoyances aren't as important to me, for example, to the extent that the joy of driving the best car on the road overshadows them all. If I couldn't buy an F10 and was presented with a choice among all the competing cars while keeping my e39 for example, I would take my old e39 - and it had no gadgets at all. But it's me. You probably should have done better research and test-drove the car for longer than you did. My salesman offered me a full day of driving an F10 before I made my decision. All I needed was 5 minutes. I don't care for all the technical padding it contained. The car was the best looking car on the road, the interior was superb and it drove like a champ. These things mattered to me so I bought it. If the pleasure of driving wasn't there, I would have bought an Audi. The best thing after BMW. Everyone is different. Sorry to see you're not happy. Quote: Originally posted by Kayman In no particular order...here are some of the things I wish BMW had thought through to make the car's functions more like those of the ultimate driver's machine. 1) The parking assist function should not need to be activated manually when entering a parking space with an obstacle in front. (This is a 6 year old standard feature in a Lexus with dynamic parking settings.) 2) The heated seats are hot in a "nuclear meltdown" and I wish we could adjust the settings to our own temperature preference for low/medium/high. 3) Automatic wipers do not stay engaged when the engine is stopped and restarted. Not very automatic IMHO. (Again, standard technology for most brands) 4) The navigation screen does not stay off and restarts on every time the car takes an action. I would prefer the screen to stay off unless showing an incoming call/parking assist/etc. I don't want to be distracted by the screen and preprogramming one of my eight presets still requires me to manually turn it off each time. Again, this is years old technology. 5) On my third Blackberry (Torch/Bold/Curve) and I still can't get email to work!!!! I purchased a third party calendar app and it had no issues. Hoping they release an email app to shame your bad email/blackberry service. I'm going to my dealer to get a credit on your non-working Office software and I know I'm one of the many disappointed. If I had known, I probably would have bought a different brand of car. So BMW, if you read these valid driver complaints, how about upgrading the car software to make the car better ?!
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| elaine12 (862hp) | how about fingerprints on the projector lens! - how do you clean that!!.
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| cessna (277hp) | The WEIGHT of the cars is too heavy.
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| 050592 (726hp) | Quote: Originally posted by sunnyUK, how about fingerprints on the projector lens! - how do you clean that!!. Bring it in and get a new headlight under warranty. Oils on the glass could cause strange distortions in your beams.
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| idontknow. (645hp) | The F10 is my first BMW and the only "complaint" I had with mine is that for some reason the navigation system's zoom in/out direction seemed counterintuitive at first. But I'm used to it now... Everything else, although new to me, seemed completely intuitive. I agree, it would be nice to be able to enable/disable some things by default - eg seat heating, steering wheel in winter, rain sensor - but it's really nice to have.
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| roadster (452hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Breach The F10 is my first BMW and the only "complaint" I had with mine is that for some reason the zoom in/out direction of the navigation system seemed against -intuitive at the start. Ha. My wife's car is across the street, but I drive it quite often, especially if we go away for the weekend. When it happens, I finally figure it out in my head, then I get back in my car on Monday and do it backwards..
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| lovesick (894hp) | I really don't like where the iDrive button is, I'm constantly reaching for it and grabbing that stupid ashtray...
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| princess93 (653hp) | Is the carbon fiber trunk lid spoiler the only one that can be ordered from the factory, or can the body-colored one also be ordered directly? I see a lot of forum members with the body color version installed. How do they go up? THANKS.
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| petrol (616hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Breach The F10 is my first BMW and the only "complaint" I had with mine is that for some reason the zoom in/out direction of the navigation system seemed against -intuitive at the start. But I'm used to it now... Everything else, although new to me, seemed completely intuitive. I agree that it would be nice to be able to enable/disable some things by default - eg seat heating, steering wheel in winter, rain sensor - but it's really nice to have. Is your direction to the right or to the left? With the steering on the left, I think it's VERY intuitive: turn the knob to the left (towards you) to zoom in (or closer to me) and to the right (far) to zoom out (away). Heading right, if it always behaved the same way, then I would agree.
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| ncc1701e (314hp) | Quote: Originally posted by GARBAJ Is the carbon fiber deck lid lip spoiler the only one that can be ordered from the factory, or can the body colored one also be ordered directly? I see a lot of forum members with the body color version installed. How do they go up? THANKS. Mine had to be painted by the dealer, they said they only came with the carbon fiber look..
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| rowley (472hp) | 1) Weight 2) RFT 3) Electronic steering lacks feel But an excellent car nonetheless overall.
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| fifa2008 (485hp) | So let me repeat what I think you're saying. Anyone who has the little spoiler on the back and ordered the car with it - do they have it painted (on the car?) in body color? OR If they didn't get it from the factory that way, they just go to the dealer, have it painted, then install it? Seriously? How is it mounted, double-sided adhesive tape? Those who have it, please speak up! THANKS.
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| jefflieb (705hp) | RFT/no spare tires, Navigator, outward visibility, high hood, forced low seating position to view the dashboard, limited interior space given the car's exterior dimensions - including rear legroom, interior storage limited, it burns oil. I don't hate any of the items listed above except the no-spare RFT situation and the fact that BMW forced me to accept them in order to buy the car. Overall I like the car but I'm not in love.
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| asshole01 (342hp) | There is a version without carbon fiber, ordered from evan @ getbmwparts.com. much cheaper than the carbon fiber model too. They will have it painted in your color and shipped to you WITH tape to secure it. The BMW part number is 51628049268.
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| hockey33 (275hp) | I hate when my alarm goes off and wakes up the whole neighborhood
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| suckers (744hp) | Quote: Originally posted by GARBAJ So, let me repeat what I think you are saying. Anyone who has the little spoiler on the back and ordered the car with it - do they have it painted (on the car?) in body color? OR If they didn't get it from the factory that way, they just go to the dealer, have it painted, then install it? Seriously? How is it mounted, double-sided adhesive tape? Those who have it, please speak up! THANKS. I'm not handy at all and I have 3 left thumbs - so I ordered it from the dealer, they painted and installed it before my car was delivered and included the cost in my lease payment because it may not be mine in the end. , and I really don't need to own just a rear wing in 2 and a half years.
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| DPritchett (436hp) | Quote: Originally posted by j3o3t3 There is a non-carbon fiber version, commissioned by evan @ getbmwparts.com. much cheaper than the carbon fiber model too. They will have it painted in your color and shipped to you WITH tape to secure it. The BMW part number is 51628049268. This is the information I was looking for. I'm quite mechanically inclined. That said, is any pattern provided with this spoiler to ensure exact front-to-back and side-to-side placement - or can it really only go one way/one place? Thank you for your help!
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| cutoff (130hp) | Quote: Originally posted by GARBAJ This is the information I was looking for. I'm quite mechanically inclined. That said, is any pattern provided with this spoiler to ensure exact front-to-back and side-to-side placement - or can it really only go one way/one place? Thanks for your help! I will not do the installation myself, regardless of the instructions included. I have a local high end paint/body shop that will do this while waiting for a few sheckels.
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| tyler2006 (83hp) | Bump. Let me try again... Who installed the spoiler themselves? Did you just have it painted by the dealer? Who just asked the dealer to take care of all this. My problem is my incredible anal retention... My attention to detail on MY car will far exceed that of any technology....
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| 2506 (472hp) | Is the carbon fiber trunk lid spoiler the only one that can be ordered from the factory, or can the body-colored one also be ordered directly? I see a lot of forum members with the body color version installed. How do they go up? THANKS.
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| hillside1 (7hp) | Quote: Originally posted by GARBAJ Is the carbon fiber deck lid lip spoiler the only one that can be ordered from the factory, or can the body colored one also be ordered directly? I see a lot of forum members with the body color version installed. How do they go up? THANKS. Mine had to be painted by the dealer, they said they only came with the carbon fiber look..
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| twilight9 (104hp) | So let me repeat what I think you're saying. Anyone who has the little spoiler on the back and ordered the car with it - do they have it painted (on the car?) in body color? OR If they didn't get it from the factory that way, they just go to the dealer, have it painted, then install it? Seriously? How is it mounted, double-sided adhesive tape? Those who have it, please speak up! THANKS.
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| rishabh088 (424hp) | There is a version without carbon fiber, ordered from evan @ getbmwparts.com. much cheaper than the carbon fiber model too. They will have it painted in your color and shipped to you WITH tape to secure it. The BMW part number is 51628049268.
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| 270982 (209hp) | Quote: Originally posted by GARBAJ So, let me repeat what I think you are saying. Anyone who has the little spoiler on the back and ordered the car with it - do they have it painted (on the car?) in body color? OR If they didn't get it from the factory that way, they just go to the dealer, have it painted, then install it? Seriously? How is it mounted, double-sided adhesive tape? Those who have it, please speak up! THANKS. I'm not handy at all and I have 3 left thumbs - so I ordered it from the dealer, they painted and installed it before my car was delivered and included the cost in my lease payment because it may not be mine in the end. , and I really don't need to own just a rear wing in 2 and a half years.
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| eminem23 (93hp) | Quote: Originally posted by j3o3t3 There is a non-carbon fiber version, commissioned by evan @ getbmwparts.com. much cheaper than the carbon fiber model too. They will have it painted in your color and shipped to you WITH tape to secure it. The BMW part number is 51628049268. This is the information I was looking for. I'm quite mechanically inclined. That said, is any pattern provided with this spoiler to ensure exact front-to-back and side-to-side placement - or can it really only go one way/one place? Thank you for your help!
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