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| 09091987 (454hp) | That's why BMW adopted the side padding from the active seats when the F10 was launched! This is crazy, I thought they were standard on the active seats. I have them on my 2004 545i! Quote: Originally posted by Vinfast I got my new 550i in dark graphite with a mocha interior this week and IT'S AWESOME! The car has incredible performance, tighter steering, much better controls and a beautiful interior. With the M suspension I don't have to install lowering springs because it sits exactly where I want it and it rides exactly like an M Sport should. They also reinstalled the power side bolster seats, which I love, and they also open and close automatically when you start and stop the car. I couldn't be happier with this car. It is much improved over my 2011 550i with adaptive drive, although it was a great car after I installed lowering springs. Now all that's left is the M5 grills and tint and it will be PERFECT!
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| choeunhe (95hp) | Vinfast, you mentioned this: It's much improved over my 2011 550i with adaptive drive, although it was a great car after I installed lowering springs. I'm considering getting the Dynamic Handling package ($3,500) for the new 2014 535d Xdrive M Sport I'm ordering. Are you saying that the Dynamic Handling package isn't worth it or that it doesn't lower the car than the standard M Sport suspension??
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| JIM E92 (630hp) | Congratulations, great color combination!!!
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| robbie12 (977hp) | Quote: Originally posted by jleidy2000 Vinfast, You mentioned the following: It is much improved over my 2011 550i with adaptive drive, although it was a great car after I installed lowering springs. I'm considering getting the Dynamic Handling package ($3,500) for the new 2014 535d Xdrive M Sport I'm ordering. Are you saying that the Dynamic Handling package isn't worth it or that it doesn't lower the car than the standard M Sport suspension? I am a big fan of the DHP. I think you'll have a great driving experience with the M Sport suspension (I'm glad they brought it back), but I just find the DHP remarkable. In Sport and Sport+ modes it has the same driving feel as the M Sport suspension, but in Comfort mode it has the feel of a standard BMW suspension and in Comfort+ it has a softer driving feel (if you ever wanted that). have). Likewise, DHP is not just about adjusting damper stiffness. It has active anti-roll stabilization technology, which effectively counteracts body roll. It works and it's very cool. My 550xi is a 4,400 pound car, but with DHP you barely feel any body roll when driving quite spiritedly on back roads. Switching to Comfort makes the ride more comfortable and absorbs shocks more easily. When you switch to Sport, you suddenly feel more bumps in the road, the suspension is stiff, the steering is heavy, the throttle response, etc. In my opinion, it's just really nice. It's hard to find cars with DHP to test in the parking lot - the owner of my BMW center happened to have a 550 with DHP and was kind enough to let me test his personal car. But I would try to test both systems. I think the M Sport suspension is great – but DHP gives you more than one personality in the same car. For me it was worth the $3,500 as I was coming from a 335 with sport suspension and was tired of the constantly bumpy ride, especially on bad city roads here in the Northeast... but I still wanted a firm, fun suspension when the die Roads became slippery and winding. This was a good way to get both. But there's really no way to describe it over the internet - you really have to go to a dealer and drive cars with both suspensions to find out what you like.
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| ganpati (633hp) | Quote: Originally written by Vinfast 255/35/20 front, 295/30/20 rear Michelin Pilot Super Sport What wheel size? I know they are 20's but how wide are they? Even though it is avant garde, do you have any vibration issues and are they hub centered? Great looking car. I should get mine this week, I also ordered the mocha. I just couldn't turn down the free nappa leather!
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| lancaster1 (143hp) | Congratulations. I love this color. It's good that they bought back A90. Best gray color, in my opinion.
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| filler (674hp) | Schön...
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| 123100 (617hp) | Congratulations on the new ride. Sweet color combination and the 1920s fill the wheel arches perfectly.
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| solita (820hp) | It's paradoxical, but I like the 343M on non-M-5 series better than on the M5 lol. Congratulations, you did well.
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| banking (893hp) | Oh, I thought you asked me about tire size in your thread. The wheel sizes are 9.0 and 10.5. This is my second pair of Avant Garde wheels and I have had no problems with them. They are hub centered. However, you may have to look for a set. I believe they are currently discontinued because I believe BMW is assuming they are the same as the OEM M5 wheel. Who knows.
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| joshie1 (883hp) | congratulations
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| negro (213hp) | Nice machine! I also love the rims – I wish they had been available to me 2013!
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| jddssc121 (680hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Vinfast I got my new 550i in dark graphite with a mocha interior this week and IT'S AWESOME! The car has incredible performance, tighter steering, much better controls and a beautiful interior. With the M suspension I don't have to install lowering springs because it sits exactly where I want it and it rides exactly like an M Sport should. They also reinstalled the power side bolster seats, which I love, and they also open and close automatically when you start and stop the car. I couldn't be happier with this car. It is much improved over my 2011 550i with adaptive drive, although it was a great car after I installed lowering springs. Now all that's left is the M5 grills and tint and it will be PERFECT! Are you sure you have the M chassis? What is the build date of your car??
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| mygirls (594hp) | I'm sure. It's September 1st. It's on the window sticker.
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| terminator1 (19hp) | Beautiful car + color, congratulations! Are the 20 wheels OEM M5 wheels or aftermarket wheels? I noticed that the rear wheels are almost flush, giving the car a more aggressive look. Have you installed spacers? If yes, which size and brand? These rims look better on your car than the M5! Quote: Originally posted by Vinfast I got my new 550i in dark graphite with a mocha interior this week and IT'S AWESOME! The car has incredible performance, tighter steering, much better controls and a beautiful interior. With the M suspension I don't have to install lowering springs because it sits exactly where I want it and it rides exactly like an M Sport should. They also reinstalled the power side bolster seats, which I love, and they also open and close automatically when you start and stop the car. I couldn't be happier with this car. It is much improved over my 2011 550i with adaptive drive, although it was a great car after I installed lowering springs. Now all that's left is the M5 grills and tint and it will be PERFECT!
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| 31071979 (505hp) | Thanks - they're the Avant Garde AG355M wheels, which are hard to find now that they're out of production. No, I don't have spacers on the back. They are really flush as the rear wheels are 10.5 in diameter. The M5 are 10.0
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| andrew04 (638hp) | Are they different from the Avant Garde M355 that Mod Bargins sells? Quote: Originally posted by Vinfast Thanks --- they are the Avant Garde AG355M wheels which are hard to find now that they are no longer manufactured. No, I don't have spacers on the back. They are really flush as the rear wheels are 10.5 in diameter. The M5 are 10.0
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| james99 (630hp) | I bought my last two sets there.
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| Hubal (814hp) | Are they as light as the OEM version? Quote: Originally written by Vinfast. I bought my last two sets there.
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| 12031977 (92hp) | No, the gray inserts are actually darker and provide greater contrast to the polished outer lip - that's why I like them better than the OEM M5 wheels.
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| frisbee (80hp) | Sorry, I meant light as in weight! Replicas are typically heavier than OEM models. Quote: Originally written by Vinfast No, the gray inserts are actually darker and provide greater contrast to the polished outer lip - that's why I like them better than the OEM M5 wheels.
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| berta1 (752hp) | Too bad, I have no idea how much they weigh. I didn't really care about the weight.
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| 147258369q (408hp) | That's why BMW adopted the side padding from the active seats when the F10 was launched! This is crazy, I thought they were standard on the active seats. I have them on my 2004 545i! Quote: Originally posted by Vinfast I got my new 550i in dark graphite with a mocha interior this week and IT'S AWESOME! The car has incredible performance, tighter steering, much better controls and a beautiful interior. With the M suspension I don't have to install lowering springs because it sits exactly where I want it and it rides exactly like an M Sport should. They also reinstalled the power side bolster seats, which I love, and they also open and close automatically when you start and stop the car. I couldn't be happier with this car. It is much improved over my 2011 550i with adaptive drive, although it was a great car after I installed lowering springs. Now all that's left is the M5 grills and tint and it will be PERFECT!
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| daniel88 (91hp) | Vinfast, you mentioned this: It's much improved over my 2011 550i with adaptive drive, although it was a great car after I installed lowering springs. I'm considering getting the Dynamic Handling package ($3,500) for the new 2014 535d Xdrive M Sport I'm ordering. Are you saying that the Dynamic Handling package isn't worth it or that it doesn't lower the car than the standard M Sport suspension??
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| buster6 (776hp) | Congratulations, great color combination!!!
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| qaz123wsx456 (459hp) | Quote: Originally posted by jleidy2000 Vinfast, You mentioned the following: It is much improved over my 2011 550i with adaptive drive, although it was a great car after I installed lowering springs. I'm considering getting the Dynamic Handling package ($3,500) for the new 2014 535d Xdrive M Sport I'm ordering. Are you saying that the Dynamic Handling package isn't worth it or that it doesn't lower the car than the standard M Sport suspension? I am a big fan of the DHP. I think you'll have a great driving experience with the M Sport suspension (I'm glad they brought it back), but I just find the DHP remarkable. In Sport and Sport+ modes it has the same driving feel as the M Sport suspension, but in Comfort mode it has the feel of a standard BMW suspension and in Comfort+ it has a softer driving feel (if you ever wanted that). have). Likewise, DHP is not just about adjusting damper stiffness. It has active anti-roll stabilization technology, which effectively counteracts body roll. It works and it's very cool. My 550xi is a 4,400 pound car, but with DHP you barely feel any body roll when driving quite spiritedly on back roads. Switching to Comfort makes the ride more comfortable and absorbs shocks more easily. When you switch to Sport, you suddenly feel more bumps in the road, the suspension is stiff, the steering is heavy, the throttle response, etc. In my opinion, it's just really nice. It's hard to find cars with DHP to test in the parking lot - the owner of my BMW center happened to have a 550 with DHP and was kind enough to let me test his personal car. But I would try to test both systems. I think the M Sport suspension is great – but DHP gives you more than one personality in the same car. For me it was worth the $3,500 as I was coming from a 335 with sport suspension and was tired of the constantly bumpy ride, especially on bad city roads here in the Northeast... but I still wanted a firm, fun suspension when the die Roads became slippery and winding. This was a good way to get both. But there's really no way to describe it over the internet - you really have to go to a dealer and drive cars with both suspensions to find out what you like.
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| 123695 (242hp) | Quote: Originally written by Hellraiserharris Seams as if the M-Sport were just cosmetic. Oh, M Sport is just cosmetic with xDrives. For the 2013-2014 RWD 5-Series (USA), M Sport offers you the highly valued passive option M Sport Suspension 704. I *believe* that there is Sport+ mode if you have the Sport automatic transmission (i.e. with paddle shifters).).
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| 281978 (517hp) | Quote: Originally written by mness Oh, M Sport is just cosmetic, only on xDrives. For the 2013-2014 RWD 5-Series (USA), M Sport gives you the highly valued M Sport Suspension 704 passive option. I *believe* that Sport+ mode is available if you have the Sport automatic transmission (i.e. with paddle shifters). Don't forget the higher steering effort on the M Sport X Drives (I'm not sure if the steering effort is higher on the M Sports without X Drive).).
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| chicken24 (848hp) | Quote: Originally written by Hellraiserharris Seams as if the M-Sport were just cosmetic. Oh, M Sport is just cosmetic with xDrives. For the 2013-2014 RWD 5-Series (USA), M Sport offers you the highly valued passive option M Sport Suspension 704. I *believe* that there is Sport+ mode if you have the Sport automatic transmission (i.e. with paddle shifters).).
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| damian11 (511hp) | Quote: Originally written by mness Oh, M Sport is just cosmetic, only on xDrives. For the 2013-2014 RWD 5-Series (USA), M Sport gives you the highly valued M Sport Suspension 704 passive option. I *believe* that Sport+ mode is available if you have the Sport automatic transmission (i.e. with paddle shifters). Don't forget the higher steering effort on the M Sport X Drives (I'm not sure if the steering effort is higher on the M Sports without X Drive).).
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| eric24 (758hp) | I don't hear much good things about the 5 series on this forum so I'm looking for other options. The prices for both are similar.
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| flavius (149hp) | I couldn't be happier with my 550. For me there are no significant problems. It's customized the way I want it, and while I like other F10s, I wouldn't trade it. There is more than enough power for me and with an aftermarket exhaust it sounds the way I want. It is reliable, nimble, the service package is great (here it is up to 7 years). Maseratis are nice, but I wouldn't even consider one if it were my only car.
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| rocawear (305hp) | I vote for the Ghibli. To me it feels more special than an F10. Nowadays you see an F10 on almost every corner, and that's justified.
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| ccccc1 (322hp) | If you just want to be known as someone who owns a baseline Maserati. Sure, go ahead, but 550 will eat the car alive in a race. And of course, Maserati spare parts will be very expensive as BMW maintenance is known to be fully covered.
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| 28061982 (807hp) | As a reminder, Maserati and Chrysler have the same parent company. I mean, I can understand if you go for the Grandturismo, but Ghibli? Make sure you park the car face forward if you're considering buying it, because the back can certainly be mistaken for a Kia. Lucky guy.
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| cookie18 (709hp) | I'm not sure why you say you don't hear good things about the F10 here on the forum? I think most owners here are actually very happy with their car. The F10 is probably one of the best BMWs currently on offer (my opinion of course). When I bought mine, cost wasn't a concern - I could have afforded a much more expensive car (the MSRP for my 550xi was $86,000) or I could have chosen a cheaper car. For me, the 550xi was the clear winner in the midsize sedan class. Nothing could score points among the competitors either... despite admittedly good competition. I tested Audi and MB - both were nice, but they still didn't match BMW's overall approach to combining luxury and sportiness in one package. While the latest generation 5 Series offers slightly more luxury than Sport, if you read the reviews, after some time behind the wheel of an M Sport equipped car you'll find that it's still terribly sporty and capable. In addition, design, materials and luxury radiate from this car. Load it up like I did (without B&O and night vision) and you have a truly luxurious and FAST sedan. The Maserati? I wouldn't even consider it - and that's coming from a Ferrari enthusiast. Everyone I knew with a Quattroporte had disappointing things to say - after the feeling of having a one-of-a-kind Italian supercar sedan wore off and reality set in. Maintenance, and the owners I know have reported a lot of this on the Quattroporte (I have to believe the Ghibli would follow suit), is extensive and expensive. Italians know sexy sports cars - no doubt about it. The engines sound great and the Ghibli S Q4 gets impressive power from a turbo-6 (~400 hp and TQ), but despite being the lighter car compared to a 550xi, it's still half a second slower. The 550xi still uses more power and probably more efficiently, as these numbers suggest. For fun, I tried to equip a Ghibli S Q4 equally with the options that would suit my 550xi, and the car costs almost $10,000 more... although it still doesn't offer many of the options you get on the BMW can get. Finally, I also think the Ghibli lacks in looks. Yes, everywhere you look you see 5s. And guess what? I still look at every single one that drives by and think what a beautiful car. Just because you see a Ghibli less often doesn't mean it looks better. Personally, I think it looks like Infiniti's sedan line...similar curves and proportions. The F10 is more stately and a bit reserved, some might say... but it looks classically good. I'd say if you're looking for a spirited sports car to get your blood pumping for the weekend, buy something Italian. But if you want a high-quality, sophisticated and luxurious four-door executive sedan, then buy something German. And in my opinion there is currently nothing better from the Germans in the mid-range luxury segment than the F10. My opinion.
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| yellow21 (658hp) | The interior is pretty average. Cheap Chrysler plastic parts are used.
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| aisyah (614hp) | Quote: Originally posted by AuburnM5 The interior is pretty average. Cheap Chrysler plastic parts are used. +1....Drew a Ghibli because of that shit...The 550xi wipes the floor with this thing and the interior is made of materials that feel cheap...The 5 series interior is far superior in quality. It's a poor man's Maserati as everyone else points out
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| 031988 (968hp) | Have you ever been in or driven the Ghibli? I did and was not impressed. The interior is terrible and doesn't belong in any car over 80,000 years old, especially a Maserati. Don't you hear anything good about the F10 in the F10 forum? Really?? This is the first time for me to tell you the truth. Ultimately, it's your money, so do what your heart and wallet tell you. But in my opinion the F10 is a much better car.
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| psalm119 (406hp) | Saw a Ghibli at the auto show. Not only is it smaller than a 5 series, the worst thing that bothered me the most was the doors rattling when closing. The 20k Hyundai had doors that sounded better when closed.
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| manuel23 (759hp) | Never expect to get an unbiased opinion in a forum dedicated to any of the models you are asking about.
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| 841010 (600hp) | Ghibli is such a scam. After that, the value dropped to less than half of a real Maserati. I've lost respect for them in general. They are desperately looking for buyers.
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| fortress (805hp) | Quote: Originally posted by E46-C6-F10 Never expect to get an unbiased opinion on a forum that deals with any of the models you are asking about. This may be a valid point because obviously people here bought their cars for a reason. If they honestly thought another brand was better, they wouldn't be driving BMWs now. However, some of us are true enthusiasts who love high quality cars, regardless of the brand. I would count myself among them. I'm also a big fan of Italian sports cars, so I probably have a preference that naturally makes me love a Ghibli. But unfortunately I don't do that. Aside from the disappointing build quality, I just think you get a lot less car and performance for the money when you compare it to a 550. In my opinion, BMW has done (almost) everything right with the F10 for a luxury sports car sedan.
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| hater12 (558hp) | Quote: Originally written by ezmaass This may be a fair point - because obviously people here bought their cars for a reason. If they honestly thought another brand was better, they wouldn't be driving BMWs now. However, some of us are true enthusiasts who love high quality cars, regardless of the brand. I would count myself among them. I'm also a big fan of Italian sports cars, so I probably have a preference that naturally makes me love a Ghibli. But unfortunately I don't do that. Aside from the disappointing build quality, I just think you get a lot less car and performance for the money when you compare it to a 550. In my opinion, BMW did (almost) everything right with the F10 for a luxury sports car sedan. While I stand by my original post, I agree with you 100%. I always try to remain objective in my comments as I am a true car enthusiast in general. Aside from that, I also love Italian sports cars and would own a 458 Italia if I could afford one. However, I could afford a Ghibli. Although I like the sporty exterior design, I wasn't particularly impressed with the exterior, especially compared to the F10. Ultimately, however, I didn't have full confidence in Maserati's workmanship and reliability. In my opinion, the F10 was the better package overall.
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| storm11 (464hp) | This is probably less true in the US than in other countries (because cars are so cheap in the US, even if US buyers won't stop complaining). In Europe this is more true, in Asia it is very true. The difference between a "base" 520i/d and a 550i/d is more than double the price (triple if you go for the 550), and the roads everywhere are filled with "base" models and whatnot whatever you think about Poser etc, when you're playing for so much money, a certain level of exclusivity is desirable, which the Ghibli will offer, as the cheapest will be the Ghibli 550 Territory. So you get the exclusivity and unreliability of the 535 Performane and Maserati at the whopping 550 price. I think it's a fair trade and good value for a lot of people who would never take a 550 to its true performance potential anyway but can afford a nicer car. Maybe once a month, if I'm lucky, I see a very rare Ghibli, that piques my interest. When I see an F10, which I always do when I'm on the road, I just check to see if it's an LCI that has anything new. To most people, an F10 is just an F10 - no difference between a 520 or a loaded 550. It's the same reason you get Wrx sti over a 328ixdrive or Nissan GTR over a Porsche 911 4s.
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| 271983 (52hp) | Quote: Originally posted by akhter This is probably less true in the US than in other countries (because cars are so cheap in the US, even if US buyers won't stop complaining). In Europe this is more true, in Asia it is very true. The difference between a "base" 520i/d and a 550i/d is more than double the price (triple if you go for the 550), and the roads everywhere are filled with "base" models and whatnot whatever you think about Poser etc, when you're playing for so much money, a certain level of exclusivity is desirable, which the Ghibli will offer, as the cheapest will be the Ghibli 550 Territory. So you get the exclusivity and unreliability of the 535 Performane and Maserati at the whopping 550 price. I think it's a fair trade and good value for a lot of people who would never take a 550 to its true performance potential anyway but can afford a nicer car. Maybe once a month, if I'm lucky, I see a very rare Ghibli, that piques my interest. When I see an F10, which I always do when I'm on the road, I just check to see if it's an LCI that has anything new. To most people, an F10 is just an F10 - no difference between a 520 or a loaded 550. It's the same reason you get Wrx sti over a 328ixdrive or Nissan GTR over a Porsche 911 4s. First, you're absolutely right about those of us in the US complaining about car prices - I guess it's all relative, but most US buyers don't even know how expensive their car is abroad. My eyes were opened to this in forums with strong international participation. The natural tendency is to believe that a retail price is a retail price regardless of geography. So I definitely feel bad for some of you out there who are paying extremely high prices for these cars (or any car). However, as far as Ghibli exclusivity goes, I can't imagine I'm motivated to buy one for that reason - either in whole or in part. Many cars may be rare, but the reasons for this may vary. A Yugo is also rare, but I wouldn't equate its rare shape with that of a Ferrari. Rarity can also have something to do with market demand. Jaguars are significantly less popular than BMW, Audi and MB. I see a lot of them, but not nearly as many as the Germans. This isn't because Jaguar isn't willing to produce and sell more of its cars, it's just because people aren't willing to buy more of them, even if they compete directly with the German manufacturers on price. True exclusivity comes from limited supply, not limited demand. Ferrari could have sold many more than 499 LaFerrari - but the car is exclusive due to its limited supply. The Maserati Ghibli will only be exclusive due to its limited demand... as buyers in this price range still flock to the competition for the reasons stated here. I think this is Maserati's attempt to corner the market - and they'll snap up people who value status symbols and exclusivity more than those looking for the best quality. It reminds me a little of Jaguar's However, it was never able to poach buyers from the other sports sedan segments such as the 3 Series, the C-Class or the A4. I don't think the Ghibli is a bad car... just not particularly.
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| pdiddy1 (524hp) | Living in a country that has a 180% tax on cars, I can say that I've never seen a Maserati Ghibli on the road here - and 550i's are also very rare. From what I know about the running costs and reliability of the Maserati here, I would never choose this brand - especially not their entry-level model.
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| peanut16 (730hp) | Now if you ask the same question in a Maserati forum. You may see a completely opposite reaction. In the end, you are the one who has to make the decision. Write down the positive and negative aspects. Take it from there.
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| gangsta23 (804hp) | I don't hear much good things about the 5 series on this forum so I'm looking for other options. The prices for both are similar.
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| padmavathi (854hp) | I couldn't be happier with my 550. For me there are no significant problems. It's customized the way I want it, and while I like other F10s, I wouldn't trade it. There is more than enough power for me and with an aftermarket exhaust it sounds the way I want. It is reliable, nimble, the service package is great (here it is up to 7 years). Maseratis are nice, but I wouldn't even consider one if it were my only car.
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| baby95 (598hp) | I vote for the Ghibli. To me it feels more special than an F10. Nowadays you see an F10 on almost every corner, and that's justified.
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| 112358132134 (940hp) | If you just want to be known as someone who owns a baseline Maserati. Sure, go ahead, but 550 will eat the car alive in a race. And of course, Maserati spare parts will be very expensive as BMW maintenance is known to be fully covered.
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| brother (633hp) | As a reminder, Maserati and Chrysler have the same parent company. I mean, I can understand if you go for the Grandturismo, but Ghibli? Make sure you park the car face forward if you're considering buying it, because the back can certainly be mistaken for a Kia. Lucky guy.
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| kabuto (276hp) | I'm not sure why you say you don't hear good things about the F10 here on the forum? I think most owners here are actually very happy with their car. The F10 is probably one of the best BMWs currently on offer (my opinion of course). When I bought mine, cost wasn't a concern - I could have afforded a much more expensive car (the MSRP for my 550xi was $86,000) or I could have chosen a cheaper car. For me, the 550xi was the clear winner in the midsize sedan class. Nothing could score points among the competitors either... despite admittedly good competition. I tested Audi and MB - both were nice, but they still didn't match BMW's overall approach to combining luxury and sportiness in one package. While the latest generation 5 Series offers slightly more luxury than Sport, if you read the reviews, after some time behind the wheel of an M Sport equipped car you'll find that it's still terribly sporty and capable. In addition, design, materials and luxury radiate from this car. Load it up like I did (without B&O and night vision) and you have a truly luxurious and FAST sedan. The Maserati? I wouldn't even consider it - and that's coming from a Ferrari enthusiast. Everyone I knew with a Quattroporte had disappointing things to say - after the feeling of having a one-of-a-kind Italian supercar sedan wore off and reality set in. Maintenance, and the owners I know have reported a lot of this on the Quattroporte (I have to believe the Ghibli would follow suit), is extensive and expensive. Italians know sexy sports cars - no doubt about it. The engines sound great and the Ghibli S Q4 gets impressive power from a turbo-6 (~400 hp and TQ), but despite being the lighter car compared to a 550xi, it's still half a second slower. The 550xi still uses more power and probably more efficiently, as these numbers suggest. For fun, I tried to equip a Ghibli S Q4 equally with the options that would suit my 550xi, and the car costs almost $10,000 more... although it still doesn't offer many of the options you get on the BMW can get. Finally, I also think the Ghibli lacks in looks. Yes, everywhere you look you see 5s. And guess what? I still look at every single one that drives by and think what a beautiful car. Just because you see a Ghibli less often doesn't mean it looks better. Personally, I think it looks like Infiniti's sedan line...similar curves and proportions. The F10 is more stately and a bit reserved, some might say... but it looks classically good. I'd say if you're looking for a spirited sports car to get your blood pumping for the weekend, buy something Italian. But if you want a high-quality, sophisticated and luxurious four-door executive sedan, then buy something German. And in my opinion there is currently nothing better from the Germans in the mid-range luxury segment than the F10. My opinion.
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| hearts3 (449hp) | The interior is pretty average. Cheap Chrysler plastic parts are used.
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| Ickdeep (32hp) | Quote: Originally posted by AuburnM5 The interior is pretty average. Cheap Chrysler plastic parts are used. +1....Drew a Ghibli because of that shit...The 550xi wipes the floor with this thing and the interior is made of materials that feel cheap...The 5 series interior is far superior in quality. It's a poor man's Maserati as everyone else points out
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| shyamala (814hp) | Have you ever been in or driven the Ghibli? I did and was not impressed. The interior is terrible and doesn't belong in any car over 80,000 years old, especially a Maserati. Don't you hear anything good about the F10 in the F10 forum? Really?? This is the first time for me to tell you the truth. Ultimately, it's your money, so do what your heart and wallet tell you. But in my opinion the F10 is a much better car.
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| 24121978 (882hp) | Saw a Ghibli at the auto show. Not only is it smaller than a 5 series, the worst thing that bothered me the most was the doors rattling when closing. The 20k Hyundai had doors that sounded better when closed.
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| soccerstar (690hp) | Never expect to get an unbiased opinion in a forum dedicated to any of the models you are asking about.
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| 482001 (245hp) | Ghibli is such a scam. After that, the value dropped to less than half of a real Maserati. I've lost respect for them in general. They are desperately looking for buyers.
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| el1zabeth (249hp) | Quote: Originally posted by E46-C6-F10 Never expect to get an unbiased opinion on a forum that deals with any of the models you are asking about. This may be a valid point because obviously people here bought their cars for a reason. If they honestly thought another brand was better, they wouldn't be driving BMWs now. However, some of us are true enthusiasts who love high quality cars, regardless of the brand. I would count myself among them. I'm also a big fan of Italian sports cars, so I probably have a preference that naturally makes me love a Ghibli. But unfortunately I don't do that. Aside from the disappointing build quality, I just think you get a lot less car and performance for the money when you compare it to a 550. In my opinion, BMW has done (almost) everything right with the F10 for a luxury sports car sedan.
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| Nhan (974hp) | Quote: Originally written by ezmaass This may be a fair point - because obviously people here bought their cars for a reason. If they honestly thought another brand was better, they wouldn't be driving BMWs now. However, some of us are true enthusiasts who love high quality cars, regardless of the brand. I would count myself among them. I'm also a big fan of Italian sports cars, so I probably have a preference that naturally makes me love a Ghibli. But unfortunately I don't do that. Aside from the disappointing build quality, I just think you get a lot less car and performance for the money when you compare it to a 550. In my opinion, BMW did (almost) everything right with the F10 for a luxury sports car sedan. While I stand by my original post, I agree with you 100%. I always try to remain objective in my comments as I am a true car enthusiast in general. Aside from that, I also love Italian sports cars and would own a 458 Italia if I could afford one. However, I could afford a Ghibli. Although I like the sporty exterior design, I wasn't particularly impressed with the exterior, especially compared to the F10. Ultimately, however, I didn't have full confidence in Maserati's workmanship and reliability. In my opinion, the F10 was the better package overall.
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| my123456 (180hp) | This is probably less true in the US than in other countries (because cars are so cheap in the US, even if US buyers won't stop complaining). In Europe this is more true, in Asia it is very true. The difference between a "base" 520i/d and a 550i/d is more than double the price (triple if you go for the 550), and the roads everywhere are filled with "base" models and whatnot whatever you think about Poser etc, when you're playing for so much money, a certain level of exclusivity is desirable, which the Ghibli will offer, as the cheapest will be the Ghibli 550 Territory. So you get the exclusivity and unreliability of the 535 Performane and Maserati at the whopping 550 price. I think it's a fair trade and good value for a lot of people who would never take a 550 to its true performance potential anyway but can afford a nicer car. Maybe once a month, if I'm lucky, I see a very rare Ghibli, that piques my interest. When I see an F10, which I always do when I'm on the road, I just check to see if it's an LCI that has anything new. To most people, an F10 is just an F10 - no difference between a 520 or a loaded 550. It's the same reason you get Wrx sti over a 328ixdrive or Nissan GTR over a Porsche 911 4s.
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| romeo3 (50hp) | Quote: Originally posted by akhter This is probably less true in the US than in other countries (because cars are so cheap in the US, even if US buyers won't stop complaining). In Europe this is more true, in Asia it is very true. The difference between a "base" 520i/d and a 550i/d is more than double the price (triple if you go for the 550), and the roads everywhere are filled with "base" models and whatnot whatever you think about Poser etc, when you're playing for so much money, a certain level of exclusivity is desirable, which the Ghibli will offer, as the cheapest will be the Ghibli 550 Territory. So you get the exclusivity and unreliability of the 535 Performane and Maserati at the whopping 550 price. I think it's a fair trade and good value for a lot of people who would never take a 550 to its true performance potential anyway but can afford a nicer car. Maybe once a month, if I'm lucky, I see a very rare Ghibli, that piques my interest. When I see an F10, which I always do when I'm on the road, I just check to see if it's an LCI that has anything new. To most people, an F10 is just an F10 - no difference between a 520 or a loaded 550. It's the same reason you get Wrx sti over a 328ixdrive or Nissan GTR over a Porsche 911 4s. First, you're absolutely right about those of us in the US complaining about car prices - I guess it's all relative, but most US buyers don't even know how expensive their car is abroad. My eyes were opened to this in forums with strong international participation. The natural tendency is to believe that a retail price is a retail price regardless of geography. So I definitely feel bad for some of you out there who are paying extremely high prices for these cars (or any car). However, as far as Ghibli exclusivity goes, I can't imagine I'm motivated to buy one for that reason - either in whole or in part. Many cars may be rare, but the reasons for this may vary. A Yugo is also rare, but I wouldn't equate its rare shape with that of a Ferrari. Rarity can also have something to do with market demand. Jaguars are significantly less popular than BMW, Audi and MB. I see a lot of them, but not nearly as many as the Germans. This isn't because Jaguar isn't willing to produce and sell more of its cars, it's just because people aren't willing to buy more of them, even if they compete directly with the German manufacturers on price. True exclusivity comes from limited supply, not limited demand. Ferrari could have sold many more than 499 LaFerrari - but the car is exclusive due to its limited supply. The Maserati Ghibli will only be exclusive due to its limited demand... as buyers in this price range still flock to the competition for the reasons stated here. I think this is Maserati's attempt to corner the market - and they'll snap up people who value status symbols and exclusivity more than those looking for the best quality. It reminds me a little of Jaguar's However, it was never able to poach buyers from the other sports sedan segments such as the 3 Series, the C-Class or the A4. I don't think the Ghibli is a bad car... just not particularly.
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| 0112358 (910hp) | Living in a country that has a 180% tax on cars, I can say that I've never seen a Maserati Ghibli on the road here - and 550i's are also very rare. From what I know about the running costs and reliability of the Maserati here, I would never choose this brand - especially not their entry-level model.
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| 1N54E92 (110hp) | Now if you ask the same question in a Maserati forum. You may see a completely opposite reaction. In the end, you are the one who has to make the decision. Write down the positive and negative aspects. Take it from there.
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| aboulis (464hp) | Does anyone know where to find the button cap circled below? Mine faded for some reason and when I asked the dealer if they could fix it they used a sticker with the same design and put it over the button. Is that the only way? Sticker? I checked on realOEM.com and found that production had stopped
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| biteme13 (524hp) | Mine has faded too
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| hearts11 (829hp) | This is a common problem. The dealer can replace the buttons under warranty.
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| ferrari12 (616hp) | I tried this way and put a sticker over the button, but it doesn't really replace it
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| 123234345 (740hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sunny 528i I tried this way, put a sticker over the button that doesn't REALLY replace it? Did you put a sticker over your button? They didn't replace it?
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| hondacr (479hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sunny 528i I tried this way, put a sticker over the button which doesn't really replace it. I wouldn't put up with that! It's terrible for them to even try.
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| 321meins (951hp) | I had the same problem with the fan button, start/stop button and trunk release. The dealer replaced everything under warranty. This is a known issue on early model year F10s.
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| peshawar (678hp) | Okay, I'll try again and see if they fix the problem and don't put a band-aid over the problem, lol
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| 18031986 (334hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sunny 528i I tried this way, put a sticker over the button which doesn't really replace it. This is like putting a piece of tape over a check engine light so you can no longer see the light Complaint to BMW NA, I would never accept a Mickey Mouse repair like this from a luxury car dealer. By the way, the key cap cannot be replaced; the entire key group must be replaced.
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| 2letmein (772hp) | Guys, I went to the dealer again to express my opinion about the poor repair of the fan buttons, and the service advisor agreed that it was clearly unacceptable. They went ahead and replaced the entire panel! The downside was when my car was in the workshop for repairs there was a recall SIB 12 24 13 for a DSC module. I don't know what it was about, but it took 8 business days to get the car back. I read in the documentation that the programming failed three times and it finally worked on the fourth attempt after replacing the DSC module again. All my code was deleted, which sucked! Like I said, they had to program the car for 6 hours. I wonder if it has been updated to the latest software? Anyway, as soon as I got home I spent an hour programming everything back the way I wanted and also reconnected my Burger Tuning JB Level 1. Now I'm a happy camper =)
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| lbfyjxrf (243hp) | Does anyone know where to find the button cap circled below? Mine faded for some reason and when I asked the dealer if they could fix it they used a sticker with the same design and put it over the button. Is that the only way? Sticker? I checked on realOEM.com and found that production had stopped
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| 100981 (556hp) | Mine has faded too
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| toenail (653hp) | This is a common problem. The dealer can replace the buttons under warranty.
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| 770077 (592hp) | I tried this way and put a sticker over the button, but it doesn't really replace it
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| denis1991 (350hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sunny 528i I tried this way, put a sticker over the button that doesn't REALLY replace it? Did you put a sticker over your button? They didn't replace it?
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| taz (477hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sunny 528i I tried this way, put a sticker over the button which doesn't really replace it. I wouldn't put up with that! It's terrible for them to even try.
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| princess66 (280hp) | I had the same problem with the fan button, start/stop button and trunk release. The dealer replaced everything under warranty. This is a known issue on early model year F10s.
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| AZERTY (954hp) | Okay, I'll try again and see if they fix the problem and don't put a band-aid over the problem, lol
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| Ron550 (342hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sunny 528i I tried this way, put a sticker over the button which doesn't really replace it. This is like putting a piece of tape over a check engine light so you can no longer see the light Complaint to BMW NA, I would never accept a Mickey Mouse repair like this from a luxury car dealer. By the way, the key cap cannot be replaced; the entire key group must be replaced.
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| sharon01 (41hp) | Guys, I went to the dealer again to express my opinion about the poor repair of the fan buttons, and the service advisor agreed that it was clearly unacceptable. They went ahead and replaced the entire panel! The downside was when my car was in the workshop for repairs there was a recall SIB 12 24 13 for a DSC module. I don't know what it was about, but it took 8 business days to get the car back. I read in the documentation that the programming failed three times and it finally worked on the fourth attempt after replacing the DSC module again. All my code was deleted, which sucked! Like I said, they had to program the car for 6 hours. I wonder if it has been updated to the latest software? Anyway, as soon as I got home I spent an hour programming everything back the way I wanted and also reconnected my Burger Tuning JB Level 1. Now I'm a happy camper =)
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| turkish (976hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Vinfast Oh, I thought you asked me about tire size in your thread. The wheel sizes are 9.0 and 10.5. This is my second pair of Avant Garde wheels and I have had no problems with them. They are hub centered. However, you may have to look for a set. I believe they are currently discontinued because I believe BMW is assuming they are the same as the OEM M5 wheel. Who knows. Would you mind sharing the offset of your wheels??
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| sexy456 (197hp) | Quote: Originally written by ezmaass I'm a big fan of the DHP. I think you'll have a great driving experience with the M Sport suspension (I'm glad they brought it back), but I just find the DHP remarkable. In Sport and Sport+ modes it has the same driving feel as the M Sport suspension, but in Comfort mode it has the feel of a standard BMW suspension and in Comfort+ it has a softer driving feel (if you ever wanted that). have). Likewise, DHP is not just about adjusting damper stiffness. It has active anti-roll stabilization technology, which effectively counteracts body roll. It works and it's very cool. My 550xi is a 4,400 pound car, but with DHP you barely feel any body roll when driving quite spiritedly on back roads. Switching to Comfort makes the ride more comfortable and absorbs shocks more easily. When you switch to Sport, you suddenly feel more bumps in the road, the suspension is stiff, the steering is heavy, the throttle response, etc. In my opinion, it's just really nice. It's hard to find cars with DHP to test in the parking lot - the owner of my BMW center happened to have a 550 with DHP and was kind enough to let me test his personal car. But I would try to test both systems. I think the M Sport suspension is great – but DHP gives you more than one personality in the same car. For me it was worth the $3,500 as I was coming from a 335 with sport suspension and was tired of the constantly bumpy ride, especially on bad city roads here in the Northeast... but I still wanted a firm, fun suspension when the die Roads became slippery and winding. This was a good way to get both. But there's really no way to describe it over the internet - you really have to go to a dealer and drive cars with both suspensions to find out what you like. The X-Drive lacks the M sports suspension. That's not an option.
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| chatting (95hp) | Quote: Originally posted by RKtect Would you mind sharing the offsets of your wheels? I think they are 35 and 37.
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| mc1234 (614hp) | EZMAASS, I had a 2011 550i with adaptive drive. I also had the M Sport package, but the M Sport suspension was only offered as a passive suspension in years 13 and 14. The 2011 adaptive drive was very sloppy in corners as ARS came from an 08 550i M-Sport so I had to install lowering springs to get what I wanted. With the 2014 passive sport suspension, the lowering springs were not necessary to achieve the handling I was used to with mine '08.
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| 17121977 (643hp) | Great combination!! The mocha nappa leather is amazing and the M5 rims are just the icing on the cake. Well done!
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| granada (133hp) | This color is beautiful! I still think you'll love the car more if you lower it. Finally, finding that the LCI is a huge improvement over the actual owner is very encouraging
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| 050492 (879hp) | Thank you everyone. I thought about lowering the car, but I'm very happy with the standard M suspension. With all three types of lowering springs I tried on my 2011 (with ACS being the best), the rebound rates are much better for the stock suspension.
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| alberta (87hp) | Nice car, congratulations man.
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| danni1 (336hp) | Funnily enough, I wanted to copy your last 550 from 2011 (lowered with M6 wheels), but decided it was too much work and ended up going with an X5. I'm returning for 2014 (the new X5 is ugly in my opinion) and will be ordering a 550 and adding the new M6 wheels! I'm glad the drop isn't necessary. The car looks great!
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| 04081989 (487hp) | Looks great!
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| 290887 (43hp) | Quote: Originally written by 0_steve Funny, I wanted to copy your last 550 in 2011 (lowered with M6 wheels) but decided it was too much work and ended up going with an X5. I'm returning for 2014 (the new X5 is ugly in my opinion) and will be ordering a 550 and adding the new M6 wheels! I'm glad the drop isn't necessary. The car looks great! Thanks!! I agree that in my opinion the new X5 is ugly too.
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| familyof6 (743hp) | Vinfast, have you installed the M5 grill? Do you have a picture? Does it say M5 on it? I want to order it (instead of the all black sports grille I currently have ordered) but don't want it to be misrepresented as an M5. The badge comes off??
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| zcfvfzkexifz (378hp) | I installed the M5 grill and did what another member did. I took the M5 sticker, broke off the 5 and stuck it back on the grill. Looks great.
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| heatwave (936hp) | Congratulations! I love the color combination. Looks the same as mine with the M5 rims, but I have a boring black interior and no upholstery. Keep us updated if you modify anything. Is the exhaust the same as that?? 2011?
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| mikejohn (199hp) | Excellent. Thank you very much! I just ordered it.
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| info123 (751hp) | You said you'll tint it. Doesn't BMW offer the sun protection glass option in the US? We get it in the UK and you get rear window and rear window tints
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| Solaire (801hp) | I have a '12 550i and haven't really thought about wheels yet, but this is really nice while still giving it a stock look. This is my first BM and I'm in love. I'm not sure how I'll ever drive anything else and I'm only 32 so it's still a long way off lol. This V8 is simply intoxicating. I have never loved a vehicle so much.
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| 240179 (636hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Vinfast Oh, I thought you asked me about tire size in your thread. The wheel sizes are 9.0 and 10.5. This is my second pair of Avant Garde wheels and I have had no problems with them. They are hub centered. However, you may have to look for a set. I believe they are currently discontinued because I believe BMW is assuming they are the same as the OEM M5 wheel. Who knows. Would you mind sharing the offset of your wheels??
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| chinky (817hp) | Quote: Originally written by ezmaass I'm a big fan of the DHP. I think you'll have a great driving experience with the M Sport suspension (I'm glad they brought it back), but I just find the DHP remarkable. In Sport and Sport+ modes it has the same driving feel as the M Sport suspension, but in Comfort mode it has the feel of a standard BMW suspension and in Comfort+ it has a softer driving feel (if you ever wanted that). have). Likewise, DHP is not just about adjusting damper stiffness. It has active anti-roll stabilization technology, which effectively counteracts body roll. It works and it's very cool. My 550xi is a 4,400 pound car, but with DHP you barely feel any body roll when driving quite spiritedly on back roads. Switching to Comfort makes the ride more comfortable and absorbs shocks more easily. When you switch to Sport, you suddenly feel more bumps in the road, the suspension is stiff, the steering is heavy, the throttle response, etc. In my opinion, it's just really nice. It's hard to find cars with DHP to test in the parking lot - the owner of my BMW center happened to have a 550 with DHP and was kind enough to let me test his personal car. But I would try to test both systems. I think the M Sport suspension is great – but DHP gives you more than one personality in the same car. For me it was worth the $3,500 as I was coming from a 335 with sport suspension and was tired of the constantly bumpy ride, especially on bad city roads here in the Northeast... but I still wanted a firm, fun suspension when the die Roads became slippery and winding. This was a good way to get both. But there's really no way to describe it over the internet - you really have to go to a dealer and drive cars with both suspensions to find out what you like. The X-Drive lacks the M sports suspension. That's not an option.
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| essendon (113hp) | Quote: Originally posted by RKtect Would you mind sharing the offsets of your wheels? I think they are 35 and 37.
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| daedae1 (348hp) | EZMAASS, I had a 2011 550i with adaptive drive. I also had the M Sport package, but the M Sport suspension was only offered as a passive suspension in years 13 and 14. The 2011 adaptive drive was very sloppy in corners as ARS came from an 08 550i M-Sport so I had to install lowering springs to get what I wanted. With the 2014 passive sport suspension, the lowering springs were not necessary to achieve the handling I was used to with mine '08.
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| 2hott4u (600hp) | Great combination!! The mocha nappa leather is amazing and the M5 rims are just the icing on the cake. Well done!
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| jolly1 (634hp) | This color is beautiful! I still think you'll love the car more if you lower it. Finally, finding that the LCI is a huge improvement over the actual owner is very encouraging
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| mum123 (404hp) | Thank you everyone. I thought about lowering the car, but I'm very happy with the standard M suspension. With all three types of lowering springs I tried on my 2011 (with ACS being the best), the rebound rates are much better for the stock suspension.
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| roosters1 (273hp) | Nice car, congratulations man.
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| digital1 (641hp) | Funnily enough, I wanted to copy your last 550 from 2011 (lowered with M6 wheels), but decided it was too much work and ended up going with an X5. I'm returning for 2014 (the new X5 is ugly in my opinion) and will be ordering a 550 and adding the new M6 wheels! I'm glad the drop isn't necessary. The car looks great!
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| loco23 (881hp) | Looks great!
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| j3nn1f3r (596hp) | Quote: Originally written by 0_steve Funny, I wanted to copy your last 550 in 2011 (lowered with M6 wheels) but decided it was too much work and ended up going with an X5. I'm returning for 2014 (the new X5 is ugly in my opinion) and will be ordering a 550 and adding the new M6 wheels! I'm glad the drop isn't necessary. The car looks great! Thanks!! I agree that in my opinion the new X5 is ugly too.
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| gangster3 (642hp) | Vinfast, have you installed the M5 grill? Do you have a picture? Does it say M5 on it? I want to order it (instead of the all black sports grille I currently have ordered) but don't want it to be misrepresented as an M5. The badge comes off??
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| 11121995 (728hp) | I installed the M5 grill and did what another member did. I took the M5 sticker, broke off the 5 and stuck it back on the grill. Looks great.
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| 06071993 (361hp) | Congratulations! I love the color combination. Looks the same as mine with the M5 rims, but I have a boring black interior and no upholstery. Keep us updated if you modify anything. Is the exhaust the same as that?? 2011?
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| 120997 (913hp) | Excellent. Thank you very much! I just ordered it.
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| friday01 (737hp) | You said you'll tint it. Doesn't BMW offer the sun protection glass option in the US? We get it in the UK and you get rear window and rear window tints
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| berserk1 (380hp) | I have a '12 550i and haven't really thought about wheels yet, but this is really nice while still giving it a stock look. This is my first BM and I'm in love. I'm not sure how I'll ever drive anything else and I'm only 32 so it's still a long way off lol. This V8 is simply intoxicating. I have never loved a vehicle so much.
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