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| 12051977 (628hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 Offroad? Do you mean Costco, Sears and Home Depot? So yes. hehe... just that it got a little dirty pretty quickly! I guess it's raining~
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| super.super (366hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 front suspension with Dynamic Handling Package, driver side thanks for the clarification... I know there is an AW f10 535i here, so rigged to rdsport springs, this owner didn't have no adaptive drive therefore and confirmed that it lowered with 4 springs (2 at the front and 2 at the rear). I wonder if the adaptive drive F10s have rear airbags instead of springs, so lowering the rear would result in links instead of springs.....
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| mailboxes (229hp) | excellent thread, difficult to understand at times, but which clarified a little more the suspension discussion which seems to muddy the waters.
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| niwad25 (769hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gatoman39 Here is the F10 front suspension with Dynamic Handling Package. I'm no engineer, but those with suspension knowledge may be able to get more out of these pictures than I can and can compare it with the E60 which I'm sure people have dissected many times... Driver's side front : Looks like they use a special fluid in the suspension that can be stimulated by electronics to change its viscosity. Some Caddys and other high-end cars have been doing this for years. Same concept as the sport suspension button, except now the suspension can stiffen and loosen very quickly as needed to smooth out bumps. edit: sorry, nerdy engineer here....
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| loop (266hp) | @HighlandPete. We would then all have to move to Germany. Beautiful roads and for the most part: no speed limit. What are we still doing here? I'm joking of course. Your information is truly cutting edge, thank you for that. The UK road thing might explai
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| AcTlG728 (924hp) | Bravo for these photos, that's why I like these forums. People will go to great lengths (taking out Jack and their camera) just to share something.
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| tessie1 (90hp) | Highland Pete, I'm not sure I understand why car manufacturers can't tune their suspension for UK roads???? I live in Michigan and 3/4 of my family lives in London, England and their roads are flat and smooth while Michigan roads are smooth in places but with potholes and some roads with grooves and crowns. The BMW we have handles Michigan roads very well, although a little stiff over potholes due to the RFT which we are replacing with standard high-performance all-season Michelins. I drive in England with the BMW 7 series (the new one), Mercedes S500, Audi Q7, etc. and they perform well on smooth roads. One thing I notice is that the roads and some highways have rough surfaces that you feel through the steering wheel and cabin..
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| carlos69 (797hp) | This 535iA has the 704 M suspension: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=377075 I asked him if he could put his comments on the ride here in this thread.
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| Rocky (656hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bm323 Hope all is well, I will copy the relevant posts to First post from TGII thread starter [quote name='TitangrauII530iA' date='April 18, 2010 - 08:54' timestamp='1271598880 ' post ='1155049'] My first impression is that the car is much more comfortable also with the M-Sport suspension than the E60 - and still dynamic and sporty - I really like the way it drives. GTII ------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- Below you will find an article in which TGII answered some questions [quote name='TitangrauII530iA' date='18 April 2010 ] Concerning the ride and handling, you mentioned in one of your previous articles that you found the F10 on adaptive suspension and in Sport mode more comfortable than the E60 Sport suspension. For the F10 with M-Sport suspension: (a) how comfortable is it compared to the F10/adaptive suspension/Sport mode - is it less or more comfortable? >,>,>,>, I asked this question from Munich - they said it was between normal mode and sport mode. The biggest difference is that it lacks the active anti-roll system (b). Would you say it falls between the F10's Sport and Normal modes/adaptive suspension in terms of comfort, i.e. harder than Normal mode but softer than Sport mode? © you find that it is driving too hard or that it is crashing into expansion joints or road imperfections (portholes, etc.)? >,>,>,>, That's always how you compare it - like I had three E60s with M-Sport suspension and the F10 really isn't harsh at all compared to the E60 with M- Sport. (d) do you find that it rolls a lot in the corners? >,>,>,>, No, I find it stable and really pleasant to drive. Comfortable and still very solid. [quote name='TitangrauII530iA' date='April 20, 2010 - 10:43 am' timestamp='1271778200' post='1156524'] Thanks for all the compliments, I really like the F10 535iA with M-Sport suspension! Firm and comfortable at the same time. One more reason to appreciate the new F10: the paint finish is of much better quality than that of the E60. Jukka FIN535iA aka TitangrauII530iA/TGII has released some thoughts on the M-Sport suspension. He also answered some of my questions (nfnc aka Bimmernic on the other forum). See above. However, I'm sure we'd all like to know more about it, particularly whether it eliminates some of the slight (a) pitch and roll and (b) body roll observations in some reviews. Jukka appears to be the first known owner in the world, AFAIK, to have an M-Sport suspension on the F.10.
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| bigtruck (425hp) | Quote: Originally posted by nfnc FIN535iA aka TitangrauII530iA/TGII has posted some thoughts on the M-Sport suspension. He also answered some of my questions (nfnc aka Bimmernic on the other forum). See above. However, I'm sure we'd all like to know more about it, particularly whether it eliminates some of the slight (a) pitch and roll and (b) body roll observations in some reviews. Jukka appears to be the first known owner in the world, AFAIK, to have M-Sport suspension on the F10. Hi everyone, I have always had M-Sport suspension in my BMW 5 series except 2x E34, so 2x E39, 3x E60 and now the F10 535iA. I haven't had time to drive on really nice country roads with curves yet, but based on the normal daily routes I use, I would say: the car is even more dynamic than the E60 - that can be based on integrated active steering - and cornering is still just as enjoyable, the only difference is that everything that happens between the road and the tires is still informed to the driver, but in a more comfortable way. I would say that the car rolls less and thanks to the 4-wheel steering it turns extremely well and is extremely stable at higher speeds - practice confirms the theory: the turning rear wheels work as if the wheelbase were even longer than it made the car stable. In the case of the E60, I said that if you take the M-Sport, you have to be prepared to suffer a little in comfort to have a really pleasant car to drive, in the case of the F10, you lose nothing in In terms of driving experience compared to the E60, I would even say it's better - and we don't lose too much in terms of comfort either. What I'm trying to say: I would now recommend the M-Sport suspension to drivers who are not as fascinated as me by the pure pleasure of driving, but who also want to benefit from a comfortable ride. This is based on the fact that I tested the adaptive transmission in the F10 and F07 before fixing my order and noticed that I didn't like the settings other than sport. In a way I like that the car has fixed suspension settings because then you really get to know your car and how it allows you to drive it and put it through its paces. Sorry for the long story, but to put it in short: go for M-Sport if you like DRIVING, you will always find the traditional 5 series ultimate driving machine + more comfort as a bonus! BR FIN535iA
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| TOYOTA (366hp) | Quote: Originally posted by FIN535iA Saying this is based on the fact that I was testing the adaptive drive in the F10 and F07 before correcting my control and noticed that I didn't like the other settings but sport. In a way I like that the car has fixed suspension settings because then you really get to know your car and how it allows you to drive it and put it through its paces. BR FIN535iA Thanks FIN535iA, can you let me know the difference in ride/handling/chassis firmness between M Sport suspension and adaptive transmission or dynamic damping/VDC in sport mode? If the F10 only had the 223 VDC option (i.e. without the anti-roll bars), would you say the car would roll less in sport mode, and would roll even less if the F10 had the full 2VA adaptive drive option (i.e. with anti-roll). roll bars and VDC)?
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| 070289 (166hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bm323 Thanks FIN535iA, can you let me know the difference in ride/handling/chassis firmness between M Sport suspension and adaptive transmission or dynamic damping/VDC in sport mode? If the F10 only had the 223 VDC option (i.e. without the anti-roll bars), would you say the car would roll less in sport mode, and would roll even less if the F10 had the full 2VA adaptive drive option (i.e. with anti-roll). roll bars and VDC)? +1... please. HighlandPete
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| download1 (48hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bm323 Thanks FIN535iA, can you let me know the difference in ride/handling/chassis firmness between M Sport suspension and adaptive transmission or dynamic damping/VDC in sport mode? If the F10 only had the 223 VDC option (i.e. without the anti-roll bars), would you say the car would roll less in sport mode, and would roll even less if the F10 had the full 2VA adaptive drive option (i.e. with anti-roll). roll bars and VDC)? Hello, Due to the limited mileage I have covered with both versions, it is not possible to answer your questions completely. And the 223 VDC version is not available for the 535i, which means I haven't tested it. The fact is that the M-Sport suspension includes stiffer roll bars than the standard suspension, but the 2VA includes hydraulic roll bars, which can be controlled electronically. I am happy with the M-Sport suspension and its predictable and logical driving characteristics. And as I've written before, it's still quite comfortable for me, and much more comfortable than the E60 with M-Sport suspension. The best advice I can give you is this: just go drive the F10. I guess after you go back to your E60 you will miss the F10 until you order it and get delivery. It's much more of a car than the good old E60! BR FIN535iA
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| momomo1 (841hp) | FIN535iA, I agree with what you say here, you have to experiment with the different systems. I will try a car with Adaptive Drive before making a decision. I hope there will be M-sport suspensions in the UK before I decide on F11. I appreciate your comment on the M-sport setup, with fixed “mechanical” settings. I wonder about the electronic trickery myself, I'm sure we will have conditions where we wonder what is happening beneath us. On the other side of the debate, we'll at least have the option to play around with the settings a bit and if I want a relaxed day I can just switch to a gentler mode, while that quick late night drive through the valley can be composed. down to decent sporty driving. HighlandPete
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| jonathan08 (777hp) | Quote For the F10 on the M-Sport suspension: (a) how comfortable is it compared to the F10/adaptive suspension/Sport mode - is it less or more comfortable? >,>,>,>, I asked this question from Munich - they said it was between normal mode and sport mode. The biggest difference is that it lacks the active anti-roll system. Quote: Originally posted by FIN535iA Saying this, is based on the fact that I was testing the adaptive drive in F10 and F07 before I fixed my command and noticed I hadn't done so. I don't like other parameters but sport. In a way I like that the car has fixed suspension settings because then you really get to know your car and how it allows you to drive it and put it through its paces. Thanks FIN535iA, I will if I can test the different F10s. Based on your response on the other forum, can you clarify whether Munich mentioned that the chassis of an F10 with adaptive drive in sport mode is tighter than that with M sport suspension? Is this your impression of your memory of your test drive of the F10 with adaptive drive, compared to your F10 with M sports suspension?
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| bratty1 (315hp) | Quote: Originally posted by FIN535iA Hi everyone, I have always had M-Sport suspension in my BMW 5 series except 2x E34, so 2x E39, 3x E60 and now the F10 535iA. I haven't had time to drive on really nice country roads with curves yet, but based on the normal daily routes I use, I would say: the car is even more dynamic than the E60 - that can be based on integrated active steering - and cornering is still just as enjoyable, the only difference is that everything that happens between the road and the tires is still informed to the driver, but in a more comfortable way. I would say that the car rolls less and thanks to the 4-wheel steering it turns extremely well and is extremely stable at higher speeds - practice confirms the theory: the turning rear wheels work as if the wheelbase were even longer than it made the car stable. In the case of the E60, I said that if you take the M-Sport, you have to be prepared to suffer a little in comfort to have a really pleasant car to drive, in the case of the F10, you lose nothing in In terms of driving experience compared to the E60, I would even say it's better - and we don't lose too much in terms of comfort either. What I'm trying to say: I would now recommend the M-Sport suspension to drivers who are not as fascinated as me by the pure pleasure of driving, but who also want to benefit from a comfortable ride. This is based on the fact that I tested the adaptive transmission in the F10 and F07 before fixing my order and noticed that I didn't like the settings other than sport. In a way I like that the car has fixed suspension settings because then you really get to know your car and how it allows you to drive it and put it through its paces. Sorry for the long story, but to put it in short: go for M-Sport if you like DRIVING, you will always find the traditional 5 series ultimate driving machine + more comfort as a bonus! BR FIN535iA FIN535iA, thanks for this. This confirms what I thought about the M-Sport suspension: I think I'll like it. Your preliminary comments on the other forum, although brief, were very helpful in helping me finalize my decision on the M-Sport suspension. This, and my back-to-back drives of two E92s, one with 17 wheels, standard suspension, and the other with 18 wheels, M-Sport suspension. Not entirely scientific but hopefully representative of the differences between standard and M-Sport suspension.
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| georgebmwM3 (728hp) | what is VDC
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| 3182 (563hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bobbyd1961 what is VDC (dynamic/electronic) variable damping control, option 223
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| myspace87 (642hp) | The Swedish edition of Auto Motor & Sports has just done a test between a 523i E60 with 16 non-RFT wheels and a 523i F10 with 18 runflats. The F10 had normal suspension without VDC and a standard automatic transmission without Dynamic Driving Control. The overall verdict is that the E60 has a stiffer suspension that gives more feedback on twisty roads. But overall, the F10's standard suspension was much better than the E60's, especially in terms of comfort on bad roads. The F10's steering was considered more harmonious and did not require constant corrections at higher speeds like in the E60. So no complaints about the F10 with 18 RFT and standard suspension. The same magazine has already published a test of a 530d with all the extras. They state that they are now sure that it is not the goodies that make the car and that a more standard spec F10 is also a wonderful car to drive..
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| alex45 (781hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gorban The Swedish edition of Auto Motor & Sports has just done a test between a 523i E60 with 16 non-RFT wheels and a 523i F10 with 18 runflats. The F10 had normal suspension without VDC and a standard automatic transmission without Dynamic Driving Control. The overall verdict is that the E60 has a stiffer suspension that gives more feedback on twisty roads. But overall, the F10's standard suspension was much better than the E60's, especially in terms of comfort on bad roads. The F10's steering was considered more harmonious and did not require constant corrections at higher speeds like in the E60. So no complaints about the F10 with 18 RFT and standard suspension. The same magazine has already published a test of a 530d with all the extras. They state that they are now sure that it is not the goodies that make the car and that a more standard spec F10 is also a wonderful car to drive. My goodness, I suggest you try the F10 with standard suspension and the biggest rim, I have it and in my opinion I would never consider such a setup without the VDC.
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| d-money (404hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gorban The Swedish edition of Auto Motor & Sports has just done a test between a 523i E60 with 16 non-RFT wheels and a 523i F10 with 18 runflats. The F10 had normal suspension without VDC and a standard automatic transmission without Dynamic Driving Control. The overall verdict is that the E60 has a stiffer suspension that gives more feedback on twisty roads. But overall, the F10's standard suspension was much better than the E60's, especially in terms of comfort on bad roads. The F10's steering was considered more harmonious and did not require constant corrections at higher speeds like in the E60. So no complaints about the F10 with 18 RFT and standard suspension. The same magazine has already published a test of a 530d with all the extras. They state that they are now sure that it is not the goodies that make the car and that a more standard spec F10 is also a wonderful car to drive. That's exactly what I'm trying to tell these guys. Three Dutch car magazines tested the 523iA with standard suspension and 18RFT, all three said it was a wonderful car, with very comfortable suspension and excellent steering feel. They also tested the 5 series with all the extras and are wondering if all those electronic extras (suspension extras) are worth it.... 4-2 (3 Dutch car tests, 1 Swedish - 2 UK tests).
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| james2007 (130hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Erasmus That's exactly what I'm trying to tell these guys. Three Dutch car magazines tested the 523iA with standard suspension and 18RFT, all three said it was a wonderful car, with very comfortable suspension and excellent steering feel. They also tested the 5 series with all the extras and are wondering if all those electronic extras (extra suspension) are worth it.... 4-2 (3 Dutch car tests, 1 Swedish - 2 UK tests). Well I ordered an F11 520d Touring with 18, the sport automatic and VDC just because I read good reviews about the variable suspension and I'm curious to play with all this new technology for the F11 . This way I can have a tighter suspension for small roads and comfort mode on the highway..
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| texas817 (987hp) | Quote: Posted by footie My I suggest you try the F10 with standard suspension and the biggest rim I have and in my opinion I would never consider such a setup without the VDC. If you don't mind, what F10, what options and rim size have you tested with, please?
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| sprinkle (543hp) | Quote: Posted by Erasmus That's exactly what I'm trying to tell these guys. Three Dutch car magazines tested the 523iA with standard suspension and 18RFT, all three said it was a wonderful car, with very comfortable suspension and excellent steering feel. They also tested the 5 series with all the extras and are wondering if all those electronic extras (extra suspension) are worth it.... 4-2 (3 Dutch car tests, 1 Swedish - 2 UK tests). Personally, I'm not too interested in whether testers gave the cars the thumbs up (or thumbs down) in one configuration or another. The difference of opinion gives, to some extent, an indication that the choice of a car is not so simple that one can be assured that each model will completely satisfy. My own "seat of the pants" assessment (2.5 hours of driving split between two examples) showed me that, even at near-base levels, the cars are so different. So I have to try an Adaptive Drive model, before even thinking about spending money on an F10/11. I would never be happy with a standard suspension setup on 18 runflat tires. The ride was imperfect, on the type of roads I drive (for me, that's where it counts) and I know it can be better, both for total comfort and steering feel and precision . Two factors which would break the agreement, if they were not sufficient, and would lead me to turn to the competition. I was badly burned with the current car, it was only by spending another £1,500 modifying the suspension and wheels that I got what I call true BMW handling, precise steering, predictable handling and composure, as well as a comfortable, smooth ride. Will I be “a little picky” in spending €40-50,000, of course. And rightly so, IMO. HighlandPete
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| chevy57 (167hp) | Quote: Originally posted by HighlandPete Personally, I'm not too interested in whether testers gave the cars the thumbs up (or thumbs down) in one configuration or another. The difference of opinion gives, to some extent, an indication that the choice of a car is not so simple that one can be assured that each model will completely satisfy. My own "seat of the pants" assessment (2.5 hours of driving split between two examples) showed me that, even at near-base levels, the cars are so different. So I have to try an Adaptive Drive model, before even thinking about spending money on an F10/11. I would never be happy with a standard suspension setup on 18 runflat tires. The ride was imperfect, on the type of roads I drive (for me, that's where it counts) and I know it can be better, both for total comfort and steering feel and precision . Two factors which would break the agreement, if they were not sufficient, and would lead me to turn to the competition. I was badly burned with the current car, it was only by spending another £1,500 modifying the suspension and wheels that I got what I call true BMW handling, precise steering, predictable handling and composure, as well as a comfortable, smooth ride. Will I be “a little picky” in spending €40-50,000, of course. And rightly so, IMO. HighlandPete ok Pete, but this is - with all respect - just your personal opinion..
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| Hotsauce535 (368hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Erasmus ok Pete, but this is - with all respect - just your personal opinion. Absolutely... and this could be the reason why a "die-hard BMW user" switches to Merc or Jaguar. It was a "personal opinion" why many considered the E60 a poor engine choice, we/they didn't like the interior or the lack of driving qualities, just a "personal opinion", but too many “personal opinions” and BMW had to do it. sit back and listen. This is why the F10 must prove its worth. BMW is going to be judged on this model, again just my personal opinion, but thousands of other opinions may be involved here as well. BTW, I really want one of the new F11s, but it really has to be worth a £50,000 driver's car, if or when I sign on the line. HighlandPete
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| loveu12 (24hp) | excellent thread, difficult to understand at times, but which clarified a little more the suspension discussion which seems to muddy the waters.
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| mayfield1 (880hp) | @HighlandPete. We would then all have to move to Germany. Beautiful roads and for the most part: no speed limit. What are we still doing here? I'm joking of course. Your information is truly cutting edge, thank you for that. The UK road thing might explai
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| crystal69 (516hp) | Highland Pete, I'm not sure I understand why car manufacturers can't tune their suspension for UK roads???? I live in Michigan and 3/4 of my family lives in London, England and their roads are flat and smooth while Michigan roads are smooth in places but with potholes and some roads with grooves and crowns. The BMW we have handles Michigan roads very well, although a little stiff over potholes due to the RFT which we are replacing with standard high-performance all-season Michelins. I drive in England with the BMW 7 series (the new one), Mercedes S500, Audi Q7, etc. and they perform well on smooth roads. One thing I notice is that the roads and some highways have rough surfaces that you feel through the steering wheel and cabin..
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| 26121995 (57hp) | This 535iA has the 704 M suspension: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=377075 I asked him if he could put his comments on the ride here in this thread.
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| crfprf (872hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bm323 Hope all is well, I will copy the relevant posts to First post from TGII thread starter [quote name='TitangrauII530iA' date='April 18, 2010 - 08:54' timestamp='1271598880 ' post='1155049'] My first impression is that the car is also much more comfortable with the M-Sport suspension than the E60 - and still dynamic and sporty - I really like the way it drives. GTII ------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- Below you will find an article in which TGII answered some questions [quote name='TitangrauII530iA' date='18 April 2010 ] Concerning the ride and handling, you mentioned in one of your previous articles that you found the F10 on adaptive suspension and in Sport mode more comfortable than the E60 Sport suspension. For the F10 with M-Sport suspension: (a) how comfortable is it compared to the F10/adaptive suspension/Sport mode - is it less or more comfortable? >,>,>,>, I asked this question from Munich - they said it was between normal mode and sport mode. The biggest difference is that it lacks the active anti-roll system (b). Would you say it falls between the F10's Sport and Normal modes/adaptive suspension in terms of comfort, i.e. harder than Normal mode but softer than Sport mode? © you find that it is driving too hard or that it is crashing into expansion joints or road imperfections (portholes, etc.)? >,>,>,>, That's always how you compare it - like I had three E60s with M-Sport suspension and the F10 really isn't harsh at all compared to the E60 with M- Sport. (d) do you find that it rolls a lot in the corners? >,>,>,>, No, I find it stable and really pleasant to drive. Comfortable and still very solid. [quote name='TitangrauII530iA' date='April 20, 2010 - 10:43 am' timestamp='1271778200' post='1156524'] Thanks for all the compliments, I really like the F10 535iA with M-Sport suspension! Firm and comfortable at the same time. One more reason to appreciate the new F10: the paint finish is of much better quality than that of the E60. Jukka FIN535iA aka TitangrauII530iA/TGII has released some thoughts on the M-Sport suspension. He also answered some of my questions (nfnc aka Bimmernic on the other forum). See above. However, I'm sure we'd all like to know more about it, particularly whether it eliminates some of the slight (a) pitch and roll and (b) body roll observations in some reviews. Jukka appears to be the first known owner in the world, AFAIK, to have an M-Sport suspension on the F.10.
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| 040591 (391hp) | Quote: Originally posted by nfnc FIN535iA aka TitangrauII530iA/TGII has posted some thoughts on the M-Sport suspension. He also answered some of my questions (nfnc aka Bimmernic on the other forum). See above. However, I'm sure we'd all like to know more about it, particularly whether it eliminates some of the slight (a) pitch and roll and (b) body roll observations in some reviews. Jukka appears to be the first known owner in the world, AFAIK, to have M-Sport suspension on the F10. Hi everyone, I have always had M-Sport suspension in my BMW 5 series except 2x E34, so 2x E39, 3x E60 and now the F10 535iA. I haven't had time to drive on really nice country roads with curves yet, but based on the normal daily routes I use, I would say: the car is even more dynamic than the E60 - that can be based on integrated active steering - and cornering is still just as enjoyable, the only difference is that everything that happens between the road and the tires is still informed to the driver, but in a more comfortable way. I would say that the car rolls less and thanks to the 4-wheel steering it turns extremely well and is extremely stable at higher speeds - practice confirms the theory: the turning rear wheels work as if the wheelbase were even longer than it made the car stable. In the case of the E60, I said that if you take the M-Sport, you have to be prepared to suffer a little in comfort to have a really pleasant car to drive, in the case of the F10, you lose nothing in In terms of driving experience compared to the E60, I would even say it's better - and we don't lose too much in terms of comfort either. What I'm trying to say: I would now recommend the M-Sport suspension to drivers who are not as fascinated as me by the pure pleasure of driving, but who also want to benefit from a comfortable ride. This is based on the fact that I tested the adaptive transmission in the F10 and F07 before fixing my order and noticed that I didn't like the settings other than sport. In a way I like that the car has fixed suspension settings because then you really get to know your car and how it allows you to drive it and put it through its paces. Sorry for the long story, but to put it in short: go for M-Sport if you like DRIVING, you will always find the traditional 5 series ultimate driving machine + more comfort as a bonus! BR FIN535iA
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| 27101986 (810hp) | Quote: Originally posted by FIN535iA Saying this is based on the fact that I was testing the adaptive drive in the F10 and F07 before correcting my control and noticed that I didn't like the other settings but sport. In a way I like that the car has fixed suspension settings because then you really get to know your car and how it allows you to drive it and put it through its paces. BR FIN535iA Thanks FIN535iA, can you let me know the difference in ride/handling/chassis firmness between M Sport suspension and adaptive transmission or dynamic damping/VDC in sport mode? If the F10 only had the 223 VDC option (i.e. without the anti-roll bars), would you say the car would roll less in sport mode, and would roll even less if the F10 had the full 2VA adaptive drive option (i.e. with anti-roll). roll bars and VDC)?
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| chickie (252hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bm323 Thanks FIN535iA, can you let me know the difference in ride/handling/chassis firmness between M Sport suspension and adaptive transmission or dynamic damping/VDC in sport mode? If the F10 only had the 223 VDC option (i.e. without the anti-roll bars), would you say the car would roll less in sport mode, and would roll even less if the F10 had the full 2VA adaptive drive option (i.e. with anti-roll). roll bars and VDC)? +1... please. HighlandPete
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| momanddad (622hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bm323 Thanks FIN535iA, can you let me know the difference in ride/handling/chassis firmness between M Sport suspension and adaptive transmission or dynamic damping/VDC in sport mode? If the F10 only had the 223 VDC option (i.e. without the anti-roll bars), would you say the car would roll less in sport mode, and would roll even less if the F10 had the full 2VA adaptive drive option (i.e. with anti-roll). roll bars and VDC)? Hello, Due to the limited mileage I have covered with both versions, it is not possible to answer your questions completely. And the 223 VDC version is not available for the 535i, which means I haven't tested it. The fact is that the M-Sport suspension includes stiffer roll bars than the standard suspension, but the 2VA includes hydraulic roll bars, which can be controlled electronically. I am happy with the M-Sport suspension and its predictable and logical driving characteristics. And as I've written before, it's still quite comfortable for me, and much more comfortable than the E60 with M-Sport suspension. The best advice I can give you is this: just go drive the F10. I guess after you go back to your E60 you will miss the F10 until you order it and get delivery. It's much more of a car than the good old E60! BR FIN535iA
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| jeroguz (586hp) | FIN535iA, I agree with what you say here, you have to experiment with the different systems. I will try a car with Adaptive Drive before making a decision. I hope there will be M-Sport suspension in the UK before I decide on F11. I appreciate your comment on the M-sport setup, with fixed “mechanical” settings. I wonder about the electronic trickery myself, I'm sure we will have conditions where we wonder what is happening beneath us. On the other side of the debate, we'll at least have the option to play around with the settings a bit and if I want a relaxed day I can just switch to a gentler mode, while that quick late night drive through the valley can be composed. down to decent sporty driving. HighlandPete
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| tranmere (812hp) | Quote For the F10 on the M-Sport suspension: (a) how comfortable is it compared to the F10/adaptive suspension/Sport mode - is it less or more comfortable? >,>,>,>, I asked this question from Munich - they said it was between normal mode and sport mode. The biggest difference is that it lacks the active anti-roll system. Quote: Originally posted by FIN535iA Saying this, is based on the fact that I was testing the adaptive drive in F10 and F07 before I fixed my command and noticed I hadn't done so. I don't like other parameters but sport. In a way I like that the car has fixed suspension settings because then you really get to know your car and how it allows you to drive it and put it through its paces. Thanks FIN535iA, I will if I can test the different F10s. Based on your response on the other forum, can you clarify whether Munich mentioned that the chassis of an F10 with adaptive drive in sport mode is tighter than that with M sport suspension? Is this your impression of your memory of your test drive of the F10 with adaptive drive, compared to your F10 with M sports suspension?
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| comcast (676hp) | Quote: Originally posted by FIN535iA Hi everyone, I have always had M-Sport suspension in my BMW 5 series except 2x E34, so 2x E39, 3x E60 and now the F10 535iA. I haven't had time to drive on really nice country roads with curves yet, but based on the normal daily routes I use, I would say: the car is even more dynamic than the E60 - that can be based on integrated active steering - and cornering is still just as enjoyable, the only difference is that everything that happens between the road and the tires is still informed to the driver, but in a more comfortable way. I would say that the car rolls less and thanks to the 4-wheel steering it turns extremely well and is extremely stable at higher speeds - practice confirms the theory: the turning rear wheels work as if the wheelbase were even longer than it made the car stable. In the case of the E60, I said that if you take the M-Sport, you have to be prepared to suffer a little in comfort to have a really pleasant car to drive, in the case of the F10, you lose nothing in In terms of driving experience compared to the E60, I would even say it's better - and we don't lose too much in terms of comfort either. What I'm trying to say: I would now recommend the M-Sport suspension to drivers who are not as fascinated as me by the pure pleasure of driving, but who also want to benefit from a comfortable ride. This is based on the fact that I tested the adaptive transmission in the F10 and F07 before fixing my order and noticed that I didn't like the settings other than sport. In a way I like that the car has fixed suspension settings because then you really get to know your car and how it allows you to drive it and put it through its paces. Sorry for the long story, but to put it in short: go for M-Sport if you like DRIVING, you will always find the traditional 5 series ultimate driving machine + more comfort as a bonus! BR FIN535iA FIN535iA, thanks for this. This confirms what I thought about the M-Sport suspension: I think I'll like it. Your preliminary comments on the other forum, although brief, were very helpful in helping me finalize my decision on the M-Sport suspension. This, and my back-to-back drives of two E92s, one with 17 wheels, standard suspension, and the other with 18 wheels, M-Sport suspension. Not entirely scientific but hopefully representative of the differences between standard and M-Sport suspension.
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| lasvegas2 (663hp) | what is VDC
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| hotmail7 (319hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bobbyd1961 what is VDC (dynamic/electronic) variable damping control, option 223
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| wu-tang (661hp) | The Swedish edition of Auto Motor & Sports has just done a test between a 523i E60 with 16 non-RFT wheels and a 523i F10 with 18 runflats. The F10 had normal suspension without VDC and a standard automatic transmission without Dynamic Driving Control. The overall verdict is that the E60 has a stiffer suspension that gives more feedback on twisty roads. But overall, the F10's standard suspension was much better than the E60's, especially in terms of comfort on bad roads. The F10's steering was considered more harmonious and did not require constant corrections at higher speeds like in the E60. So no complaints about the F10 with 18 RFT and standard suspension. The same magazine has already published a test of a 530d with all the extras. They state that they are now sure that it is not the goodies that make the car and that a more standard spec F10 is also a wonderful car to drive..
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| 08111982 (664hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gorban The Swedish edition of Auto Motor & Sports has just done a test between a 523i E60 with 16 non-RFT wheels and a 523i F10 with 18 runflats. The F10 had normal suspension without VDC and a standard automatic transmission without Dynamic Driving Control. The overall verdict is that the E60 has a stiffer suspension that gives more feedback on twisty roads. But overall, the F10's standard suspension was much better than the E60's, especially in terms of comfort on bad roads. The F10's steering was considered more harmonious and did not require constant corrections at higher speeds like in the E60. So no complaints about the F10 with 18 RFT and standard suspension. The same magazine has already published a test of a 530d with all the extras. They state that they are now sure that it is not the goodies that make the car and that a more standard spec F10 is also a wonderful car to drive. My goodness, I suggest you try the F10 with standard suspension and the biggest rim, I have it and in my opinion I would never consider such a setup without the VDC.
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| 19081995 (179hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gorban The Swedish edition of Auto Motor & Sports has just done a test between a 523i E60 with 16 non-RFT wheels and a 523i F10 with 18 runflats. The F10 had normal suspension without VDC and a standard automatic transmission without Dynamic Driving Control. The overall verdict is that the E60 has a stiffer suspension that gives more feedback on twisty roads. But overall, the F10's standard suspension was much better than the E60's, especially in terms of comfort on bad roads. The F10's steering was considered more harmonious and did not require constant corrections at higher speeds like in the E60. So no complaints about the F10 with 18 RFT and standard suspension. The same magazine has already published a test of a 530d with all the extras. They state that they are now sure that it is not the goodies that make the car and that a more standard spec F10 is also a wonderful car to drive. That's exactly what I'm trying to tell these guys. Three Dutch car magazines tested the 523iA with standard suspension and 18RFT, all three said it was a wonderful car, with very comfortable suspension and excellent steering feel. They also tested the 5 series with all the extras and are wondering if all those electronic extras (suspension extras) are worth it.... 4-2 (3 Dutch car tests, 1 Swedish - 2 UK tests).
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| rommel1 (662hp) | Quote: Posted by Erasmus That's exactly what I'm trying to tell these guys. Three Dutch car magazines tested the 523iA with standard suspension and 18RFT, all three said it was a wonderful car, with very comfortable suspension and excellent steering feel. They also tested the 5 series with all the extras and are wondering if all those electronic extras (extra suspension) are worth it.... 4-2 (3 Dutch car tests, 1 Swedish - 2 UK tests). Well I ordered an F11 520d Touring with 18, the sport automatic and VDC just because I read good reviews about the variable suspension and I'm curious to play with all this new technology for the F11 . This way I can have a tighter suspension for small roads and comfort mode on the highway..
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| rjpzdrf (95hp) | Quote: Posted by footie My I suggest you try the F10 with standard suspension and the largest rim I have and in my opinion I would never consider such a setup without the VDC. If you don't mind, what F10, what options and rim size have you tested with, please?
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| kulangot (846hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Erasmus That's exactly what I'm trying to tell these guys. Three Dutch car magazines tested the 523iA with standard suspension and 18RFT, all three said it was a wonderful car, with very comfortable suspension and excellent steering feel. They also tested the 5 series with all the extras and are wondering if all those electronic extras (extra suspension) are worth it.... 4-2 (3 Dutch car tests, 1 Swedish - 2 UK tests). Personally, I'm not too interested in whether testers gave the cars the thumbs up (or thumbs down) in one configuration or another. The difference of opinion gives, to some extent, an indication that the choice of a car is not so simple that one can be assured that each model will completely satisfy. My own "seat of the pants" assessment (2.5 hours of driving split between two examples) showed me that, even at near-base levels, the cars are so different. So I have to try an Adaptive Drive model, before even thinking about spending money on an F10/11. I would never be happy with a standard suspension setup on 18 runflat tires. The ride was imperfect, on the type of roads I drive (for me, that's where it counts) and I know it can be better, both for total comfort and steering feel and precision . Two factors which would break the agreement, if they are not sufficient, and would lead me to turn to the competition. I was badly burned with the current car, it was only by spending another £1,500 modifying the suspension and wheels that I got what I call true BMW handling, precise steering, predictable handling and composure, as well as a comfortable, smooth ride. Will I be “a little picky” in spending €40-50,000, of course. And rightly so, IMO. HighlandPete
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| roberto123 (190hp) | Quote: Originally posted by HighlandPete Personally, I'm not too interested in whether testers gave the cars the thumbs up (or thumbs down) in one configuration or another. The difference of opinion gives, to some extent, an indication that the choice of a car is not so simple that one can be assured that each model will completely satisfy. My own "seat of the pants" assessment (2.5 hours of driving split between two examples) showed me that, even at near-base levels, the cars are so different. So I have to try an Adaptive Drive model, before even thinking about spending money on an F10/11. I would never be happy with a standard suspension setup on 18 runflat tires. The ride was imperfect, on the type of roads I drive (for me, that's where it counts) and I know it can be better, both for total comfort and steering feel and precision . Two factors which would break the agreement, if they were not sufficient, and would lead me to turn to the competition. I was badly burned with the current car, it was only by spending a further £1,500 modifying the suspension and wheels that I got what I call true BMW handling, precise steering, predictable handling and composure, as well as a comfortable, smooth ride. Will I be “a little picky” in spending €40-50,000, of course. And rightly so, IMO. HighlandPete ok Pete, but this is - with all respect - just your personal opinion..
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| jonas10 (107hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Erasmus ok Pete, but this is - with all respect - just your personal opinion. Absolutely... and this could be the reason why a "die-hard BMW user" switches to Merc or Jaguar. It was a "personal opinion" why many considered the E60 a poor engine choice, we/they didn't like the interior or the lack of driving qualities, just a "personal opinion", but too many “personal opinions” and BMW had to do it. sit back and listen. This is why the F10 must prove its worth. BMW is going to be judged on this model, again just my personal opinion, but thousands of other opinions may be involved here as well. BTW, I really want one of the new F11s, but it really has to be worth a £50,000 driver's car, if or when I sign on the line. HighlandPete
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| 180977 (709hp) | I thought we should start this thread now since the majority of us are starting to get our vehicles fairly soon. everyone can come up with ideas. For white/silver/sophisto/black F10s -- if you don't want to spend $$$ on new rims -- how about getting your original wheels powder coated flat black??
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| 171179 (969hp) | The first thing I will do when I get my car (F10 550i) and break it in is look for Shiv and ask him to prepare his Procede V4 for my car. I think it's the most profitable mod out there..
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| 300983 (646hp) | New valve caps.
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| sassy101 (875hp) | matte black grille and tailpipes
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| beguile (88hp) | get in shape. a nice car can only make a big driver stand out more and that's not really a good thing. Ha~
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| wlse (995hp) | integrated radar/laser, snow 18 for the 550xi, tint,
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| 06121995 (968hp) | Fill the gas tank when it is almost empty.
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| trell1 (737hp) | Just jump out of the ashtray and you'll be amazed at how well the key stays inside. It is no longer necessary to leave the cup holders open. Of course, this is only suitable for non-smokers.
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| Raul1234 (939hp) | Quote: Originally posted by raleedy New valve caps. Just a word of caution regarding the new valve caps: I put logo caps on our new Jeep only to find out too late that contrasting metals can react negatively and fuse together! It was as if they were welded together. It cost me $100 per rod to replace because they were tire pressure monitors. Ouch. I've used custom value caps on all my BMWs and never had this problem...but I don't think I will again.
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| unpack (514hp) | same for me, these BMW caps messed up my stems, I had to replace them all
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| 220686 (752hp) | The Axxis Deluxe Plus brake pads were the best upgrade I made to my 330ci. Performance was 95% of the factory pads and the black dust on the wheels was gone forever. This will be my first upgrade on any BMW I own. Then rims, then lowering springs (small drop) unless the factory msport is low enough. I think the e60 msport doesn't need to be lowered, but the f10 could use a lowering based on everything I've seen.
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| 481516 (442hp) | I thought we should start this thread now since the majority of us are starting to get our vehicles fairly soon. everyone can come up with ideas. For white/silver/sophisto/black F10s -- if you don't want to spend $$$ on new rims -- how about getting your original wheels powder coated flat black??
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| eduardo10 (906hp) | The first thing I will do when I get my car (F10 550i) and break it in is look for Shiv and ask him to prepare his Procede V4 for my car. I think it's the most profitable mod out there..
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| llama2 (823hp) | My 550i sedan should be here around the end of July. The vehicle was picked up from a dealership in Baltimore. 2011 BMW 550i Sedan Titanium Silver / Black Nappa / Charcoal Trim Premium Package 2 Sport Package Convenience Package Driver Assistance Package Sport Transmission Head-Up Display Heated Split Folding Front Rear Seats I'll post pictures when I receive them!
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| dorina (360hp) | New valve caps.
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| 07091994 (132hp) | Well done. The metallic silver and black leather is a classic German color scheme and looks stunning.
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| jessie! (659hp) | matte black grille and tailpipes
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| JUVENTUS (773hp) | Quote: Originally posted by BMWMC My 550i sedan should be here around the end of July. The vehicle was picked up from a dealership in Baltimore. 2011 BMW 550i Sedan Titanium Silver / Black Nappa / Charcoal Trim Premium Package 2 Sport Package Convenience Package Driver Assistance Package Sport Transmission Head-Up Display Heated Front Rear Split and Folding Seats I'll post pics when I get them! Congratulations on ordering! I haven't seen many Titanium Silver 550s at all
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| pimpshit1 (621hp) | get in shape. a nice car can only make a big driver stand out more and that's not really a good thing. Ha~
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| turtles2 (661hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Jason Congratulations on the order! I haven't seen many Titanium Silver 550s. Thanks! The only colors I've seen are Deep Sea Blue, Dark Graphite and Black..
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| AAAAAAAAAA (563hp) | integrated radar/laser, snow 18 for the 550xi, tint,
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| uliana (276hp) | I was planning to get Titanium Silver with Venetian Beige Dakota leather and dark wood trim. Would that look good? Does it look too shiny inside?
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| gastone (73hp) | Fill the gas tank when it is almost empty.
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| thebest123 (561hp) | My 550i sedan should be here around the end of July. The vehicle was picked up from a dealership in Baltimore. 2011 BMW 550i Sedan Titanium Silver / Black Nappa / Charcoal Trim Premium Package 2 Sport Package Convenience Package Driver Assistance Package Sport transmission Head-up display Heated split-folding front rear seats I'll post photos when I get them!
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| slayer69 (14hp) | Just jump out of the ashtray and you'll be amazed at how well the key stays inside. It is no longer necessary to leave the cup holders open. Of course, this is only suitable for non-smokers.
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| kissme3 (349hp) | Well done. The metallic silver and black leather is a classic German color scheme and looks stunning.
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| Liberty (633hp) | Quote: Originally posted by raleedy New valve caps. Just a word of caution regarding the new valve caps: I put logo caps on our new Jeep only to find out too late that contrasting metals can react negatively and fuse together! It was as if they were welded together. It cost me $100 per rod to replace because they were tire pressure monitors. Ouch. I've used custom value caps on all my BMWs and never had this problem...but I don't think I will again.
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| sasha2 (719hp) | Quote: Originally posted by BMWMC My 550i sedan should be here around the end of July. The vehicle was picked up from a dealership in Baltimore. 2011 BMW 550i Sedan Titanium Silver / Black Nappa / Charcoal Trim Premium Package 2 Sport Package Convenience Package Driver Assistance Package Sport Transmission Head-Up Display Heated Front Rear Split and Folding Seats I'll post pics when I get them! Congratulations on ordering! I haven't seen many Titanium Silver 550s at all
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| dezembro (623hp) | same for me, these BMW caps messed up my stems, I had to replace them all
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| god4me (902hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Jason Congratulations on the order! I haven't seen many Titanium Silver 550s. Thanks! The only colors I've seen are Deep Sea Blue, Dark Graphite and Black..
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| truus (700hp) | The Axxis Deluxe Plus brake pads were the best upgrade I made to my 330ci. Performance was 95% of the factory pads and the black dust on the wheels was gone forever. This will be my first upgrade on any BMW I own. Then rims, then lowering springs (small drop) unless the factory msport is low enough. I think the e60 msport doesn't need to be lowered, but the f10 could use a lowering based on everything I've seen.
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| autumn2 (182hp) | I was planning to get Titanium Silver with Venetian Beige Dakota leather and dark wood trim. Would that look good? Does it look too shiny inside?
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| bronco2 (231hp) | I'm really torn on what to do. I've been deliberating between the SE and M Sport since the F10 launched and at first I had my heart set on the M Sport version. Since these photos were revealed, I've been wondering if the SE looks more sophisticated than the M Sport? Especially with the improved SE specs? I would really appreciate some comments on this please. I have a 520d SE on order scheduled to be built at the end of July. I specified it with the following options: - Sophisto Gray Sports Auto Dynamic Pack with W 19 Professional Nav Sun protection glass wheels Then some interior tweaks. I have the option to cancel my order until it is used to build and reorder the M Sport version. So, my question is this. Should I continue my existing order as above or should I cancel it when the UK window opens for UK M Sport orders? All reviews are gratefully received. THANKS
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| 222324 (860hp) | Obviously it's a matter of personal preference, but I didn't really like the F10's front chin until I saw the photos of the M-Sport. Now a 535i with M-Sport is on my shortlist for next year. But that's just my preference in terms of looks, as I like the more aggressive stance of the F10 with the M-Sport chin..
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| reznor (365hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bickers1972 I'm really torn on what to do. I've been deliberating between the SE and M Sport since the F10 launched and at first I had my heart set on the M Sport version. Since these photos were revealed, I've been wondering if the SE looks more sophisticated than the M Sport? Especially with the improved SE specs? I would really appreciate some comments on this please. I have a 520d SE on order scheduled to be built at the end of July. I specified it with the following options: - Sophisto Gray Sports Auto Dynamic Pack with W 19 Professional Nav Sun protection glass wheels Then some interior tweaks. I have the option to cancel my order until it is used to build and reorder the M Sport version. So, my question is this. Should I continue my existing order as above or should I cancel it when the UK window opens for UK M Sport orders? All reviews are gratefully received. Thank you An M-Sport F11 will be at Goodwood this weekend, visible from Thursday in the motor show section! (Ref Scott). Go check it out for yourself, it's the only way to be sure! Official photos should be released in early July (also Ref Scott)
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| ble (659hp) | I don't know what I'm missing, but what is SE? My 535 arrives Friday and I hope to announce the msport fenders when they become available at the dealer....
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| 050509 (605hp) | Quote: Originally posted by CanadianGOLD2010 I'm not sure what I'm missing, but what is SE? My 535 arrives Friday and I hope to post the msport fenders when they become available at the dealer... SE is the standard build car.
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| 12345hi (179hp) | OK, I've never heard it said that way. Thanks for that.....
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| avocado (622hp) | Quote: Originally posted by CanadianGOLD2010 I'm not sure what I'm missing, but what is SE? My 535 arrives Friday and I hope to post the Msport fenders when they become available from the dealer... It's a marketing thing in the UK. BMW UK has different specification levels for cars, some of them are below but not all are available on all base series (the economy model, plastic wheel covers, no air conditioning, fabric seats and most dealers will steer you away from this - Munich Taxi spec) ES - Sport Edition (with alloy wheels, better cloth trim) Sport (alloy wheels, lowered sport suspension, as seen in the US Sport package, but no M-Sport suspension) SE - Special equipment (alloy wheels, leather, dimming rear mirror, automatic climate control, etc.) M-Sport (all of the above plus sports seat, larger alloy wheels, half- leather, etc.) The 5 is only available in SE and M-Sport - you have to decide which one suits you best, then add packs and/or options. The 1 series has a wide range, see here http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/pricesand...-bmwuk,00.html It's like the packs in the US, cheaper to get one higher level than paying for individual items! Base specs are a kiss of death when trading in, because no one wants a used car without air conditioning and plastic hubcaps! SE adds what most people consider essentials like alloy wheels, automatic climate control, ambient light - it's a moderate luxury pack - and the standard offering for the 5 in the UK. The M-Sport adds to the SE level additional cosmetic items and the all-important M-Sport suspension setup (it's not just lowered) with tuned shocks and bushings. There are also other packs for navigation, visibility, etc. All can be edited with most options available but there are some restrictions..
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| sempron (869hp) | No offense, but the British naming system for their cars is ridiculous.
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| morocha (384hp) | Quote: Originally posted by baloo588 No offense, but the British naming system for their cars is ridiculous. Accepted his way to the complex.
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| llazar123 (640hp) | I'm really torn on what to do. I've been deliberating between the SE and M Sport since the F10 launched and at first I had my heart set on the M Sport version. Since these photos were revealed, I've been wondering if the SE looks more sophisticated than the M Sport? Especially with the improved SE specs? I would really appreciate some comments on this please. I have a 520d SE on order scheduled to be built at the end of July. I specified it with the following options: - Sophisto Gray Sports Auto Dynamic Pack with W 19 Professional Nav Sun protection glass wheels Then some interior tweaks. I have the option to cancel my order until it is used to build and reorder the M Sport version. So, my question is this. Should I continue my existing order as above or should I cancel it when the UK window opens for UK M Sport orders? All reviews are gratefully received. THANKS
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| 020990 (113hp) | Obviously it's a matter of personal preference, but I didn't really like the F10's front chin until I saw the photos of the M-Sport. Now a 535i with M-Sport is on my shortlist for next year. But that's just my preference in terms of looks, as I like the more aggressive stance of the F10 with the M-Sport chin..
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| junkjunk (420hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bickers1972 I'm really torn on what to do. I've been deliberating between the SE and M Sport since the F10 launched and at first I had my heart set on the M Sport version. Since these photos were revealed, I've been wondering if the SE looks more sophisticated than the M Sport? Especially with the improved SE specs? I would really appreciate some comments on this please. I have a 520d SE on order scheduled to be built at the end of July. I specified it with the following options: - Sophisto Gray Sports Auto Dynamic Pack with W 19 Professional Nav Sun protection glass wheels Then some interior tweaks. I have the option to cancel my order until it is used to build and reorder the M Sport version. So, my question is this. Should I continue my existing order as above or should I cancel it when the UK window opens for UK M Sport orders? All reviews are gratefully received. Thank you An M-Sport F11 will be at Goodwood this weekend, visible from Thursday in the motor show section! (Ref Scott). Go check it out for yourself, it's the only way to be sure! Official photos should be released in early July (also Ref Scott)
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| Rush2808 (431hp) | I don't know what I'm missing, but what is SE? My 535 arrives Friday and I hope to announce the msport fenders when they become available at the dealer....
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| 311208 (604hp) | Quote: Originally posted by CanadianGOLD2010 I'm not sure what I'm missing, but what is SE? My 535 arrives Friday and I hope to post the msport fenders when they become available at the dealer... SE is the standard build car.
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| mexico19 (99hp) | OK, I've never heard it said that way. Thanks for that.....
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| mandi (376hp) | Quote: Originally posted by CanadianGOLD2010 I'm not sure what I'm missing, but what is SE? My 535 arrives on Friday and I hope to post the Msport fenders when they become available from the dealer... It's a UK marketing thing. BMW UK has different specification levels for cars, some of them are below but not all are available on all base series (the economy model, plastic wheel covers, no air conditioning, fabric seats and most dealers will steer you away from that - Munich Taxi spec) ES - Sport Edition (with alloy wheels, better cloth trim) Sport (alloy wheels, lowered sport suspension, as seen in the US Sport package, but no suspension M-Sport) SE - Special equipment (alloy wheels, leather, dimming rear mirror, automatic climate control, etc.) M-Sport (all of the above plus sports seat, larger alloy wheels, half leather, etc.) ) The 5 is only available in SE and M-Sport - you need to decide which one suits you best, then add packs and/or options. The 1 series has a wide range, see here http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/pricesand...-bmwuk,00.html It's like the packs in the US, cheaper to get one higher level than paying for individual items! Base specs are a kiss of death when trading in, because no one wants a used car without air conditioning and plastic hubcaps! SE adds what most people consider essentials like alloy wheels, automatic climate control, ambient light - it's a moderate luxury pack - and the standard offering for the 5 in the UK. The M-Sport adds to the SE level additional cosmetic items and the all-important M-Sport suspension setup (it's not just lowered) with tuned shocks and bushings. There are also other packs for navigation, visibility, etc. All can be edited with most options available but there are some restrictions..
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| rfnhby (211hp) | No offense, but the British naming system for their cars is ridiculous.
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| 150476 (933hp) | Quote: Originally posted by baloo588 No offense, but the British naming system for their cars is ridiculous. Accepted his way to the complex.
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| solare (610hp) | Anyone use them? I tried to move them around town several times...driving only in D mode, no need to look on the dashboard. Maybe it's cool to overtake a car on the road to shift to a lower transmission for faster acceleration. I haven't found a suitable use for this option yet )
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| biscuit2 (938hp) | They're really fun to use when you move the shifter to the left, in SPORT mode, that's when you really use them. If you drive on winding back roads, it's great! I haven't received my 535 yet, but my 3 Series Coupe has them and they are great.
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| MatthewAguilera (825hp) | The main reason I used the paddles on my 335i was to specifically use engine braking when going down big hills..
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| 05071990 (674hp) | Anyone use them? I tried to move them around town several times...driving only in D mode, no need to look on the dashboard. Maybe it's cool to overtake a car on the road to shift to a lower transmission for faster acceleration. I haven't found a suitable use for this option yet )
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| haylie (110hp) | They're really fun to use when you move the shifter to the left, in SPORT mode, that's when you really use them. If you drive on winding back roads, it's great! I haven't received my 535 yet, but my 3 Series Coupe has them and they are great.
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| 110988 (733hp) | The main reason I used the paddles on my 335i was to specifically use engine braking when going down big hills..
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| brian01 (582hp) | does anyone know the model number of these springs? I can't find it.... Thank you
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| 060280 (877hp) | If the shop that installed my H&Rs cannot diagnose the clicking noises coming from my left and right rear, then I will go with the Eibachs..
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| aaaaaaa1 (443hp) | Quote: Posted by tgxmike Looks like they use a special fluid in the suspension that can be stimulated by electronics to change its viscosity. This is incorrect.
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| schizzo (68hp) | Quote: Posted by donmega does any1 know the model number of these springs? I can't find it... Thanks 20111.140 $243 at Tire Rack. http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/s...+Before+9%2F10
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| 050983 (115hp) | I will try to call Eibach later today to see if these springs will work with the electronic shocks.
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| nealjacobs (987hp) | does anyone know the model number of these springs? I can't find it.... Thank you
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| asswhole1 (221hp) | If the shop that installed my H&Rs cannot diagnose the clicking noises coming from my left and right rear, then I will go with the Eibachs..
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| 197510 (438hp) | Quote: Posted by tgxmike Looks like they use a special fluid in the suspension that can be stimulated by electronics to change its viscosity. This is incorrect.
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| kelly01 (223hp) | Quote: Posted by donmega does any1 know the model number of these springs? I can't find it... Thanks 20111.140 $243 at Tire Rack. http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/s...+Before+9%2F10
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| hounds (852hp) | I will try to call Eibach later today to see if these springs will work with the electronic shocks.
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| hottie. (837hp) | So I drove the new 2011 535i against MB E350 last night at my local Ultimate Drive event. The 'event' itself wasn't quite what I expected - I've been to some 'events' in the past (original X3 launch and MB SKL launch) where they allowed you to drive the cars around the “course” and everything. This one was more like a group of teenagers handing out the keys, but whatever I suppose, at least I got to drive both back to back. The E-class impressed with a really nice interior and that's about it. I mean, it's a nice drive compared to a Caddilac or a Towncar, I suppose, but it can't be compared to the new 535i in any way - loose steering, little torque, plush ride, I-Drive controls idiots. I was seriously impressed with the new 5 - as big a car as it is (and I currently drive an e39 530i which is not a small car), the driving dynamics are excellent. Incredible amount of torque with the automatic and even better brakes, I mean this car was faster than the MT 335i and 135i I had driven before... Although I wouldn't consider getting one 5 more at the moment would be a pleasure to drive daily. .. And by the way, I never got this “special offer »'...
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| toothfairy (114hp) | I drove the 550 with the automatic (even with the manual shift) and it didn't feel very fast. I was pretty tired when I attended the event, so I didn't even bother to drive the E350. I saw the interior and was surprised that it has this low price MB and the BMW interior is better. Of course, being a 550i, there were probably interior options. Honestly, the best part of the event was probably the free food. And by special offer, did you mean the $1,000 off any BMW (for the most part)? Maybe it was an invite-only thing.
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| 2702 (254hp) | Quote: Posted by Kampfer I drove the 550 with the automatic (even with the manual shift) and it didn't feel very fast. I assume the term "fast" is relative to the car you are currently driving. For me (my daily commute is about 60 miles and I drive a naturally aspirated I-6 e39 530i which is a pretty "fast" car when driven fast), the 535i was literally "flying", a couple more enough for just about everything. Quote: Originally posted by Kampfer Honestly, the best part of the event was probably the free food. No free food here Quote: Originally posted by Kampfer And by special offer, did you mean the $1,000 off any BMW (for the most part)? Maybe it was an invite-only thing. I was invited but I guess it takes a few days because everything is done by email.
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| marie94 (487hp) | You'll get the 1000 dollars (I hope), give it a few days. Too bad it can't be used on the new 5. And yes, speed is relative... if I had a 6MT in the car I would have a different opinion. I guess I didn't feel very alive using the automatic or if they offered a DCT instead. But it's most likely for the M5.
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| 20061995 (95hp) | Quote: Posted by Kampfer You'll get the $1,000 (I hope), give it a few days. Too bad it can't be used on the new 5. Any idea if it can be used for euro delivery?
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| junior18 (291hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 530i-2002 Do you have any idea if it can be used for Euro delivery? I haven't seen this kind of restriction. It says the offer is available on all 2011 model year vehicles except the all-new 5 Series sedan. Just be sure to ask your CA, although I don't see why they would would reject. However, you must buy a car before September 30.
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