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| 193746 (786hp) | It depends on the age of the children. I borrowed an X5 for almost a month and my wife loved the extra space it had both in the back seat and in the trunk. The trunk only because our daughter just turned 1 and still needs a big stroller. The interior room is convenient because my wife still has to feed her and change her diaper. We get by with all these things in the 550 but it's definitely. is not that easy. Once we get the big stroller out of the way and she's able to feed herself, I'd say both cars will do their job well. So if your kids are older, the 550 won't be a problem. two babies...I wouldn't do it. By the way, the level of refinement/luxury/power going from the E70 X5 to the 550 will make you feel like you've just arrived on another planet. Good luck. Alan
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| turtle21 (404hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Alan L. It depends on the age of the children. I borrowed an X5 for almost a month and my wife loved the extra space it had both in the backseat and in the trunk. The trunk only because our daughter just turned 1 and still needs a big stroller. The interior room is convenient because my wife still has to feed her and change her diaper. We get by with all these things in the 550 but it's definitely. is not that easy. Once we get the big stroller out of the way and she's able to feed herself, I'd say both cars will do their job well. So if your kids are older, the 550 won't be a problem. two babies...I wouldn't do it. By the way, the level of refinement/luxury/power going from the E70 X5 to the 550 will make you feel like you've just arrived on another planet. Good luck. Alan, I hope my wife never sees this message. We have our first child coming in December and all of my wife's friends were adamant that we needed to get an SUV. Note that we are a one-car family who rarely drives (my 2011 335 has less than 15,000 miles) because our Toronto neighborhood has everything within walking distance and we both take the subway to work. Despite her friends' advice, I managed to convince her that a 550 was all we needed: the parents survived decades without an SUV and did just fine. Luckily, she didn't particularly care about how the X5 drove, so the decision was made easier, but she's questioning that decision now because of all the annoying comments still made by her friends. It doesn't really matter now since the car was built to order and left the port of Bremerhaven! Anyway, I'm glad my wife doesn't read the forums and I'm also happy to hear that Alan survives having a kid in a regular old sedan.!
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| escada (878hp) | ^^ My situation is almost identical to yours and I was in the exact same position before we got our first F10. Everyone found out we were having a baby and automatically thought of a minivan or SUV. I managed to convince my wife that a big sedan was enough. My recommendation to make your life easier (without your wife complaining all the time that the car is too small...) DO NOT buy a large stroller. I know they are popular and I was swayed to buy an Uppa Baby Vista because it looked cool. It's massive and although it fits nicely in the F10's boot, it's a real hassle loading and unloading shopping while the stroller also has to get in and out. Stick to a Snap In Go system first, then wait until you can put your baby in these umbrella style strollers. Uppababy makes a very pretty one. These will still give you most of your trunk space. Your back and ears will thank you. Select your baby car seat carefully. Different brands will have a huge impact on the space occupied in the rear of the car. I initially opted for the Recaro simply because I'm a car enthusiast and who doesn't want a cool Recaro seat? but it is quite wide and allows two people to be seated in the back with your baby seat very close together. We recently replaced it with a Diono baby seat and it is so much better. It's much narrower, so you can fit two legitimate adults in the back with the baby seat. My daughter just turned one and I got my first F10 two weeks before she was born, so trust me on this, Alan.
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| Bobo (129hp) | It's a shame you don't have the F11, it's perfect with the kids
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| tiger74 (156hp) | I have three kids and we all have plenty of space in my '14 550i. I'm delaying buying an SUV as long as possible because I hate them.
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| zer0cool (654hp) | We own an E70 X5 and an F10 550i and before that an E60 with the X5. Our child is 5 years old and the F10 makes it easier for him to climb without help. Cargo space is similar between the two, unless you have one of those huge, bulky strollers. I hate driving the E70 and my wife doesn't like driving the F10. It all depends on personal preference I guess.
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| sexy66 (411hp) | Thanks for the advice. I pulled the trigger on a 2013 550i today. Between cash, BMW loyalty, and rebates, I received $8,500 off the MSRP of $84,000. I think I did pretty well. I love the B&O sound system and the v8. Two things I didn't have in X5.
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| Cosmo335i (897hp) | I currently have a 2011 X5 35d and am considering upgrading to a 2014 550i. Has anyone made this switch and regretted it? I have two kids and want to be sure that the small amount of legroom and rear cargo space won't be lacking in the X5. Thoughts and opinions appreciated.
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| kids03 (580hp) | It depends on the age of the children. I borrowed an X5 for almost a month and my wife loved the extra space it had both in the back seat and in the trunk. The trunk only because our daughter just turned 1 and still needs a big stroller. The interior room is convenient because my wife still has to feed her and change her diaper. We get by with all these things in the 550 but it's definitely. is not that easy. Once we get the big stroller out of the way and she's able to feed herself, I'd say both cars will do their job well. So if your kids are older, the 550 won't be a problem. two babies...I wouldn't do it. By the way, the level of refinement/luxury/power going from the E70 X5 to a 550 will make you feel like you've just arrived on another planet. Good luck. Alan
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| gromit1 (267hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Alan L. It depends on the age of the children. I borrowed an X5 for almost a month and my wife loved the extra space it had both in the backseat and in the trunk. The trunk only because our daughter just turned 1 and still needs a big stroller. The interior room is convenient because my wife still has to feed her and change her diaper. We get by with all these things in the 550 but it's definitely. is not that easy. Once we get the big stroller out of the way and she's able to feed herself, I'd say both cars will do their job well. So if your kids are older, the 550 won't be a problem. two babies...I wouldn't do it. By the way, the level of refinement/luxury/power going from the E70 X5 to the 550 will make you feel like you've just arrived on another planet. Good luck. Alan, I hope my wife never sees this message. We have our first child coming in December and all of my wife's friends were adamant that we needed to get an SUV. Note that we are a one-car family who rarely drives (my 2011 335 has less than 15,000 miles) because our Toronto neighborhood has everything within walking distance and we both take the subway to work. Despite her friends' advice, I managed to convince her that a 550 was all we needed: the parents survived decades without an SUV and did just fine. Luckily, she didn't particularly care about how the X5 drove, so the decision was made easier, but she's questioning that decision now because of all the annoying comments still made by her friends. It doesn't really matter now since the car was built to order and left the port of Bremerhaven! Anyway, I'm glad my wife doesn't read the forums and I'm also happy to hear that Alan survives having a kid in a regular old sedan.!
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| 30061994 (913hp) | ^^ My situation is almost identical to yours and I was in the exact same position before we got our first F10. Everyone found out we were having a baby and automatically thought of a minivan or SUV. I managed to convince my wife that a big sedan was enough. My recommendation to make your life easier (without your wife complaining all the time that the car is too small...) DO NOT buy a large stroller. I know they are popular and I was swayed to buy an Uppa Baby Vista because it looked cool. It's massive and although it fits nicely in the F10's boot, it's a real hassle loading and unloading shopping while the stroller also has to get in and out. Stick to a Snap In Go system first, then wait until you can put your baby in these umbrella style strollers. Uppababy makes a very pretty one. These will still give you most of your trunk space. Your back and ears will thank you. Select your baby car seat carefully. Different brands will have a huge impact on the space occupied in the rear of the car. I initially opted for the Recaro simply because I'm a car enthusiast and who doesn't want a cool Recaro seat? but it is quite wide and allows two people to be seated in the back with your baby seat very close together. We recently replaced it with a Diono baby seat and it is so much better. It's much narrower, so you can fit two legitimate adults in the back with the baby seat. My daughter just turned one and I got my first F10 two weeks before she was born, so trust me on this, Alan.
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| 25172517 (144hp) | It's a shame you don't have the F11, it's perfect with the kids
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| mike26 (599hp) | I have three kids and we all have plenty of space in my '14 550i. I'm delaying buying an SUV as long as possible because I hate them.
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| golfer12 (779hp) | We own an E70 X5 and an F10 550i and before that an E60 with the X5. Our child is 5 years old and the F10 makes it easier for him to climb without help. Cargo space is similar between the two, unless you have one of those huge, bulky strollers. I hate driving the E70 and my wife doesn't like driving the F10. It all depends on personal preference I guess.
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| mamusia (720hp) | Thanks for the advice. I pulled the trigger on a 2013 550i today. Between cash, BMW loyalty, and rebates, I received $8,500 off the MSRP of $84,000. I think I did pretty well. I love the B&O sound system and the v8. Two things I didn't have in X5.
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| SilverNMeanE92 (282hp) | Hi friends, sorry if this has been reposted or covered in another forum on this website, but currently in the market for a 2011 or 2012 535i 6MT. I have found a few 6MT builds in my area and will be looking to get a deal done agreement in the coming months. Most have around 30-35,000 miles on them, so they will still be under warranty...however, is there anything in particular I should be concerned about or take note of? I've owned BMWs before, so I'm not naive to all the problems and even potential lemons that some BMW models can be...but for this particular model, what are the main issues/potential problem areas including I have to be aware. ? AIT
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| 28111990 (505hp) | While the engine is running, listen for any front suspension noise or squealing coming from underneath the car.
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| rwrwrwrw (977hp) | If it's a 2011 model, try to aim for a build date of 3/11 or newer..
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| lilmike1 (115hp) | Transmission malfunction in my case the high pressure pump had an internal leak
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| lytWa813iB (283hp) | Quote: Originally posted by MWPos If it's a 2011, try to aim for a build date of 3/11 or newer. Why do you say that?
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| heinz57 (783hp) | Check to see if the car swings to the right. My dealer won't even fix it. Also check if the car has ever been modified. Take a look at the belly if there are any scrapes from sags or unusual holes in the exhaust..
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| mee (959hp) | Hi friends, sorry if this has been reposted or covered in another forum on this website, but currently in the market for a 2011 or 2012 535i 6MT. I have found a few 6MT builds in my area and will be looking to get a deal done agreement in the coming months. Most have around 30-35,000 miles on them, so they will still be under warranty...however, is there anything in particular I should be concerned about or take note of? I've owned BMWs before, so I'm not naive to all the problems and even potential lemons that some BMW models can be...but for this particular model, what are the main issues/potential problem areas including I have to be aware. ? AIT
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| 16091985 (236hp) | While the engine is running, listen for any front suspension noise or squealing coming from underneath the car.
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| amber09 (290hp) | If it's a 2011 model, try to aim for a build date of 3/11 or newer..
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| 010597 (446hp) | Transmission malfunction in my case the high pressure pump had an internal leak
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| m696969 (620hp) | Quote: Originally posted by MWPos If it's a 2011, try to aim for a build date of 3/11 or newer. Why do you say that?
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| pa44word (161hp) | Check to see if the car swings to the right. My dealer won't even fix it. Also check if the car has ever been modified. Take a look at the belly if there are any scrapes from sags or unusual holes in the exhaust..
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| dinodino (655hp) | All details are in the link below, try to understand them. http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthre...9#post14698149
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| gpitts (876hp) | All details are in the link below, try to understand them. http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthre...9#post14698149
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| cocacola123 (299hp) | I was in a similar situation with you when we first purchased our Infinity M45 in 2008. After 9 months of ownership, 38,000 damages (including chassis damage) were incurred on a car worth close to 50,000. The insurance decided to repair it (much to my surprise). At that time I was told that the best way to handle this issue was to find out if your state had any laws regarding diminished car values. Your adjuster may or may not include it, but if they don't, you may be able to sue them to have this DV added to the cost of the car. This could very well put it past their threshold for repairing or totaling the car. Also, as someone already suggested, get quotes from several authorized repair centers as well. Luckily, the most respected repair shop in my town was also an approved supplier, so I know the quote I got was legitimate. Since the car was rented, I decided not to spend too much time fighting it (but I was prepared if necessary). I told Infinity Financial (since they actually own the car) that the car was in a serious accident and would be repaired instead of replaced... thinking they would pursue further action with insurance because I thought it was a car whose chassis had already been damaged. would suffer a significant loss in value. They agreed with the expert so we left it there but not before confirming that I would not be penalized at the end of the lease for this wreck..
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| 29011986 (662hp) | Tap to get the total. This amounted to 19,000 damage. They installed the main harness on this side because it tore in the wreck and they didn't want to wait 8 weeks to get a new one from Germany. I exchanged it and ordered a new one after it was repaired..
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| taobao887 (661hp) | I got the call from the adjuster today...he said my car had major damage and all the sensors and computers were out of whack. I guess the computer was so broken that nothing was turning on. He said his computer calculated $47,000 to repair the car...so it would be a total loss. I'm supposed to get a call from total loss about the value and pay off my car...hoping the value is a little high so I can get some money to pay my deductible and down payment for the new car. thanks guys for all your help!
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| T-Man (667hp) | I hope everything goes well. MBA
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| dominique2 (28hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bmwmike335 I got the call from the insurance adjuster today...he told me my car had major damage and all the sensors and computers had failed. I guess the computer was so broken that nothing would turn on. He said his computer calculated $47,000 to repair the car...so it would be a total loss. I'm supposed to get a call from total loss about the value and pay off my car...hoping the value is a little high so I can get some money to pay my deductible and down payment for the new car. Thanks guys for all your help! I never thought I would congratulate someone who just had their car destroyed, but that's the best case scenario for you senerio, I'm glad I was wrong. So what's next? an LCI 550i?
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| JB991 (802hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The were deranged. I guess the computer was so broken that nothing would turn on. He said his computer calculated $47,000 to repair the car...so it would be a total loss. I'm supposed to get a call from total loss about the value and pay off my car...hoping the value is a little high so I can get some money to pay my deductible and down payment for the new car. Thanks guys for all your help! I never thought I would congratulate someone who just had their car destroyed, but that's the best case scenario for you senerio, I'm glad I was wrong. So what's next? an LCI 550i? Haha I wish. I got such an amazing deal on this ride that I don't think I'll be able to get a deal like this again on this one. 550 is way out of my budget. I think I'm going to buy a Mustang GT, it will be my first non-BMW in 6 years
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| 136666 (171hp) | I was in a similar situation with you when we first purchased our Infinity M45 in 2008. After 9 months of ownership, 38,000 damages (including chassis damage) were incurred on a car worth close to 50,000. The insurance decided to repair it (much to my surprise). At that time I was told that the best way to handle this issue was to find out if your state had any laws regarding diminished car values. Your adjuster may or may not include it, but if they don't, you may be able to sue them to have this DV added to the cost of the car. This could very well put it past their threshold for repairing or totaling the car. Also, as someone already suggested, get quotes from several authorized repair centers as well. Luckily, the most respected repair shop in my town was also an approved supplier, so I know the quote I got was legitimate. Since the car was rented, I decided not to spend too much time fighting it (but I was prepared if necessary). I told Infinity Financial (since they actually own the car) that the car was in a serious accident and would be repaired instead of replaced... thinking they would pursue further action with insurance because I thought it was a car whose chassis had already been damaged. would suffer a significant loss in value. They agreed with the expert so we left it there but not before confirming that I would not be penalized at the end of the lease for this wreck..
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| torrey (222hp) | Tap to get the total. This amounted to 19,000 damage. They installed the main harness on this side because it tore in the wreck and they didn't want to wait 8 weeks to get a new one from Germany. I exchanged it and ordered a new one after it was repaired..
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| gisselle (429hp) | I got the call from the adjuster today...he said my car had major damage and all the sensors and computers were out of whack. I guess the computer was so broken that nothing was turning on. He said his computer calculated $47,000 to repair the car...so it would be a total loss. I'm supposed to get a call from total loss about the value and pay off my car...hoping the value is a little high so I can get some money to pay my deductible and down payment for the new car. thanks guys for all your help!
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| 230889 (52hp) | I hope everything goes well. MBA
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| 12121988 (996hp) | Quote: Posted by bmwmike335 I got the call from the insurance adjuster today...he told me my car had major damage and all the sensors and computers were out of whack. I guess the computer was so broken that nothing was turning on. He said his computer calculated $47,000 to repair the car...so it would be a total loss. I'm supposed to get a call from total loss about the value and pay off my car...hoping the value is a little high so I can get some money to pay my deductible and down payment for the new car. Thanks guys for all your help! I never thought I would congratulate someone who just had their car destroyed, but that's the best case scenario for you senerio, I'm glad I was wrong. So what's next? an LCI 550i?
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| 199523 (2hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The were deranged. I guess the computer was so broken that nothing would turn on. He said his computer calculated $47,000 to repair the car...so it would be a total loss. I'm supposed to get a call from total loss about the value and pay off my car...hoping the value is a little high so I can get some money to pay my deductible and down payment for the new car. Thanks guys for all your help! I never thought I'd congratulate someone who just had their car destroyed, but that's the best case scenario for you senerio, I'm glad I was wrong. So what's next? an LCI 550i? Haha I wish. I got such an amazing deal on this ride that I don't think I'll be able to get a deal like this again on this one. 550 is way out of my budget. I think I'm going to buy a Mustang GT, it will be my first non-BMW in 6 years
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| larson (406hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bimmerjph Has the price of the m-sport range dropped compared to the old M-Sport pack? If this is not the case, it is absolutely dishonest and shameful. What email address did you send it to? The one from customerrelations(at)bmwusa.com? I'd love to send BMW one of my rants. Yes, this one The customerrelations(at)bmwusa.com
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| 290584 (780hp) | Quote: Originally posted by kthankzbye Regardless, to really enjoy the F10's suspension and ride, you have to go to the aftermarket. Dinan or ACS are both very good. It makes a big difference. Would this be comparable to the ride and handling of the 2013 msport. I suspect few people would take on a ride that is harsh or changes the character of the car. It also appears that the M suspension includes different shock absorbers and even a different upper control arm. Just curious about the acs/dinan vs msport suspension.
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| jaelyn (599hp) | Can anyone help me, with the new LCI LED light for BMW F10, I need the part number of LCI LIGHT, if anyone knows, please let me know, thanks.
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| w1968a (623hp) | It annoys me a little, but not to the point of being a deal breaker. Looks like I'll be getting some coilovers sooner than expected!!!
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| jerrys (906hp) | This one please
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| ducati748 (700hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Alan L. KA doesn't know what suspension it comes from. Nobody does it. All we know is it's not the same Msport suspension that fitted his car. Calling it basic is a little premature at this point. For all we know it might be higher than his Msport suspension, but some guys are determined to drop the ICL for some reason. Stick to the facts and stop spreading speculation, guys... Fact - American cars don't get the 706 Msport suspension like the 13 (verified by BMWNA) Fact - No one here has tested it -same how the 14 and 13 Msports with passive suspension feel Done - Nobody knows if the old 706 Msport suspension is better than the current LCI suspension Done - BMW publicly announced that one of the biggest improvements on the 5 LCI is better handling and steering, which has been verified by at least one magazine test so far (edmunds) Alan, if KA and others were right, I imagine the people at BMW's German headquarters would say: Hans, the Americans are discovering things about Veränderungen suspensions! ScheiЯe!
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| fofinho (201hp) | Are you going to change it?
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| fseyyad (836hp) | Quote: Originally posted by lmaleke Alan, if KA and others were right, I imagine the people at BMW's German headquarters would say: Hans, the Americans are figuring things out about suspensions! ScheiЯe! Lol. Someone should make one of those Hitler videos about how it happened in the boardroom..
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| nopasaran (72hp) | Don't they have a different shape? It would therefore be necessary to change the body panels?
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| heckfyxbr (81hp) | KA, it's time to rethink your thinking about getting a 991
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| pink32 (423hp) | Can anyone help me, with the new LCI LED light for BMW F10, I need the part number of LCI LIGHT, if anyone knows, please let me know, thanks.
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| lilgirl1 (434hp) | Quote: Originally posted by pyramid KA, it's time to reconsider your idea of getting a 991. I love my F10, but yes, the 991 is definitely my best choice in car whenever the time comes . If I succeed, my car will be too intact and in good condition to trade in at the end of the lease, and I'll get a nice discount on the residual value, leaving me with no choice but to buy it back. Otherwise, 991 will indeed have a second chance.
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| 131983 (966hp) | This one please
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| samedi (224hp) | so I had the chance to inspect the lci 5 series this morning. the dealership I was at had both models side by side, so here is the height comparison. it's not that much of a difference. it's probably a 10mm difference, just like the non-m-sport before
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| kartik (16hp) | Are you going to change it?
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| austin97 (738hp) | This 2013 seems to be taller than mine (mine has a wheel space where I can barely fit 2 fingers). According to the other thread, is the 2013 pictured an XDrive (which doesn't have M suspension)? Either way, you can still notice the lower position than that of 2014..
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| flvbybcnhfnjh (578hp) | Don't they have a different shape? It would therefore be necessary to change the body panels?
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| hsm123 (338hp) | no, both are 535i. not x reader. both are new, so the springs may stabilize after a bit of driving
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| dsjtcg123 (749hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Hoa no, both are 535i. not x reader. both are new so the springs may settle after a bit of driving. THANKS. Neither does Dyn. Handling the package on the right?
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| BigMikeTwn (913hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Gator_Bimmer Thanks. Neither does Dyn. Package handling, right? it's correct
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| 21111978 (981hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Hoa So I had a chance to inspect the LCI 5 series this morning. the dealership I was at had both models side by side, so here is the height comparison. it's not that much of a difference. it's probably a 10mm difference, just like the non-m-sport before. Close-ups of the new intake grilles on the bumper? I posted this elsewhere recently and am looking for clarification on this: Oh, and can anyone with an LCI M Sport confirm if the new centered position of the fog lights causes you to not see the large radiators behind the side air intakes (that is, if the grill in front of them is now closed because the fog lights are in the middle), or if they have repositioned the radiators so they can still have free air ? Or what if like the F30 with fog lights, had they now removed the radiators which were exclusive to the 2011-2013 M Sports? I'm really curious about this. If you look inside the side intakes of a pre-LCI M Sport you will see the fog lights pushed to the edges so next to them (in the middle of the intakes) the holes are open/functional and there are two radiators behind them. , allowing for additional cooling (an exclusive benefit reserved for M Sport cars that many people don't know about). As I said before, on the F30 M Sports you either get the fog lights and NO additional radiators (US cars) or you get open holes feeding extra radiators without any fog lights (European cars). The pre-LCI F10 M Sports found the perfect way around this with M-Sport-exclusive fog lights AND additional radiators behind the side air intakes, and I hope the LCIs didn't sacrifice that with the new central position of the fog lights..
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| favorite1 (802hp) | I just took a look at my LCI 535xi, on the left side fog light, the vents are closed. I don't know if there is a radiator behind it. On the right, on both sides there are air vents for the fog light and a radiator is visible. Quote: Posted by KA Any close-ups of the new intake grilles on the bumper? I posted this elsewhere recently and am looking for clarification on this: Oh, and can anyone with an LCI M Sport confirm if the new centered position of the fog lights causes you to not see the large radiators behind the side air intakes (that is, if the grill in front of them is now closed because the fog lights are in the middle), or if they have repositioned the radiators so they can still have free air ? Or what if like the F30 with fog lights, had they now removed the radiators which were exclusive to the 2011-2013 M Sports? I'm really curious about this. If you look inside the side intakes of a pre-LCI M Sport you will see the fog lights pushed to the edges so next to them (in the middle of the intakes) the holes are open/functional and there are two radiators behind them. , allowing for additional cooling (an exclusive benefit reserved for M Sport cars that many people don't know about). As I said before, on the F30 M Sports you either get the fog lights and NO additional radiators (US cars) or you get open holes feeding extra radiators without any fog lights (European cars). The pre-LCI F10 M Sports found the perfect way around this with M-Sport-exclusive fog lights AND additional radiators behind the side air intakes, and I hope the LCIs didn't sacrifice that with the new central position of the fog lights..
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| jonas7 (404hp) | Thanks for clarifying! Weird the left is closed as I'm pretty sure on the pre-LCI M Sport the holes are open on the left side with a visible radiator.
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| 876876 (590hp) | Quote: Posted by KA Any close-ups of the new intake grilles on the bumper? Recently posted elsewhere and looking for more clarity on this: Here's a close-up of the grille Quote: Originally posted by KA, can anyone with an LCI M Sport confirm if the new centered position of the fog lights pleases you requires not seeing the large radiators behind the side intakes (i.e. if the grill in front of them is now closed due to the fog lights being in the middle), or if they have repositioned the radiators to so that they can always have free air? . you can clearly see the radiator behind it on the passenger side. the driver's side is blocked. I can get additional photos if needed
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| Tatiana (213hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Hoa, here is a close up of the grille, you can clearly see the radiator behind it on the passenger side. the driver's side is blocked. I can get additional photos if needed. Actually I'm talking about the lower bumper air intakes (where the fog lights are housed), is that what you are also referring to? On pre-LCIs, the fog lights sit all along the outer edges of the air intakes, allowing the vent holes next to them to feed air to additional radiators (pre-LCI M Sports exclusively receive these additional radiators for additional cooling. With LCI, the fog lights are now in the middle of the bumper's lower side air intakes, blocking air where the pre-LCI supplemental radiators are located. So I'm wondering if there are still those extra radiators behind the lower bumper side air intakes. and if so, can air still access it freely even with the fog lights right in the middle? If you or anyone can inspect and/or take close-up photos of the lower right and left bumper air intakes (where the fog lights are housed) to see if there are these radiators behind them, that would be great! As for KIDNEY grills, I love the new ones! Very subtle difference but I like their less slatted appearance.
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| sharkey (89hp) | Quote: Originally posted by KA Actually I'm talking about the lower bumper air intakes (where the fog lights are housed), is that what you're referring to as well? On pre-LCIs, the fog lights sit all along the outer edges of the air intakes, allowing the vent holes next to them to feed air to additional radiators (pre-LCI M Sports exclusively receive these additional radiators for additional cooling. With LCI, the fog lights are now in the middle of the bumper's lower side air intakes, blocking air where the pre-LCI supplemental radiators are located. So I'm wondering if there are still those extra radiators behind the lower bumper side air intakes. and if so, can air still access it freely even with the fog lights right in the middle? If you or anyone can inspect and/or take close-up photos of the lower right and left bumper air intakes (where the fog lights are housed) to see if there are these radiators behind them, that would be great! yes, that's what I meant. I just don't have any close. the driver's side is blocked. on the passenger side you can see the radiator behind the fog light. the driver's side is just a dummy vent. it's stuck at the back. I will take pictures of both sides for you. both pre here and here for comparison
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| century1 (276hp) | Quote: Posted by Hoa Quote: Posted by KA Actually I'm talking about the lower bumper air intakes (where the fog lights are housed), is that what you're referring to as well? On pre-LCIs, the fog lights sit all along the outer edges of the air intakes, allowing the vent holes next to them to feed air to additional radiators (pre-LCI M Sports exclusively receive these additional radiators for additional cooling. With LCI, the fog lights are now in the middle of the bumper's lower side air intakes, blocking air where the pre-LCI supplemental radiators are located. So I'm wondering if there are still those extra radiators behind the lower bumper side air intakes. and if so, can air still access it freely even with the fog lights right in the middle? If you or anyone can inspect and/or take close-up photos of the lower right and left bumper air intakes (where the fog lights are housed) to see if there are these radiators behind them, that would be great! yes, that's what I meant. I just don't have any close. the driver's side is blocked. on the passenger side you can see the radiator behind the fog light. the driver's side is just a dummy vent. it's stuck at the back. I will take pictures of both sides for you. both pre here and here for comparison Great. Thank you so much. I believe both sides have exposed radiators with working vents on the pre-LCI, but I'm out of town for a few days so I can't check my own car..
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| kimberly01 (627hp) | Just curious, why do you think additional ventilation is so important? I believe BMW would ensure there is sufficient cooling anyway? :-)
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| percussion (298hp) | I would as well, but a visible open radiator is a visible open radiator and I for one would rather have more than less. These cars need all the cooling help they can get.
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| jamesb (590hp) | I just spent 30 minutes on the phone with BMW NA with a woman who couldn't answer a single question I had. She kept referring me to my dealer who knew as much as she did. I don't know if anyone here can answer, but here are my questions. 1. Since they did away with the front LED turn signals, when you add the LED lighting package do you get the front LED turn signals? Also does anyone know what suspension you get if you add the adaptive transmission? Also as a side note, I took a photo of the front LED fog lights. There is a radiator visible behind each fog and the intercooler is visible on the lower center grille, with the radiator visible through the kidneys. Does anyone know if these are the two oil coolers behind the fogs? Thanks in advance.
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| lilac (461hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bimmerjph Has the price of the m-sport range dropped compared to the old M-Sport pack? If this is not the case, it is absolutely dishonest and shameful. What email address did you send it to? The one from customerrelations(at)bmwusa.com? I'd love to send BMW one of my rants. Yes, this one The customerrelations(at)bmwusa.com
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| cipolla (582hp) | Quote: Originally posted by kthankzbye Regardless, to really enjoy the F10's suspension and ride, you have to go to the aftermarket. Dinan or ACS are both very good. It makes a big difference. Would this be comparable to the ride and handling of the 2013 msport. I suspect few people would take on a ride that is harsh or changes the character of the car. It also appears that the M suspension includes different shock absorbers and even a different upper control arm. Just curious about the acs/dinan vs msport suspension.
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| blomma (296hp) | It annoys me a little, but not to the point of being a deal breaker. Looks like I'm going to get some coilovers sooner than expected!!!
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| iseedeadpeople (137hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Alan L. KA doesn't know what suspension it comes from. Nobody does it. All we know is it's not the same Msport suspension that fitted his car. Calling it basic is a little premature at this point. For all we know it might be higher than his Msport suspension, but some guys are determined to drop the ICL for some reason. Stick to the facts and stop spreading speculation, guys... Fact - American cars don't get the 706 Msport suspension like the 13 (verified by BMWNA) Fact - No one here has tested it -same how the 14 and 13 Msports with passive suspension feel Fact - Nobody knows if the old 706 Msport suspension is better than the current LCI suspension Fact - BMW has publicly announced that one of the biggest improvements of the 5 LCI is better handling and steering which has been verified by at least one magazine test so far (edmunds) Alan, if KA and others were right I imagine the folks at HQ German BMW will go: Hans, the Americans are discovering things about suspensions! ScheiЯe!
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| pentium (175hp) | Quote: Originally posted by lmaleke Alan, if KA and others were right, I imagine the people at BMW's German headquarters would say: Hans, the Americans are figuring things out about suspensions! ScheiЯe! Lol. Someone should make one of those Hitler videos about how it happened in the boardroom..
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| leon11 (874hp) | KA, it's time to rethink your thinking about getting a 991
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| claus (170hp) | Quote: Originally posted by pyramid KA, it's time to reconsider your idea of getting a 991. I love my F10, but yes, the 991 is definitely my best choice in car whenever the time comes . If I succeed, my car will be too intact and in good condition to trade in at the end of the lease, and I'll get a nice discount on the residual value, leaving me with no choice but to buy it back. Otherwise, 991 will indeed have a second chance.
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| 270582 (106hp) | so I had the chance to inspect the lci 5 series this morning. the dealership I was at had both models side by side, so here is the height comparison. it's not that much of a difference. it's probably a 10mm difference, just like the non-m-sport before
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| pula (365hp) | This 2013 seems to be taller than mine (mine has a wheel space where I can barely fit 2 fingers). According to the other thread, is the 2013 pictured an XDrive (which doesn't have M suspension)? Either way, you can still notice the lower position than that of 2014..
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| ballaotto (222hp) | no, both are 535i. not x reader. both are new, so the springs may stabilize after a bit of driving
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| bella69 (983hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Hoa no, both are 535i. not x reader. both are new so the springs may settle after a bit of driving. THANKS. Neither does Dyn. Handling the package on the right?
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| someone16 (513hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Gator_Bimmer Thanks. Neither does Dyn. Package handling, right? it's correct
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| galina9181 (563hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Hoa So I had a chance to inspect the LCI 5 series this morning. the dealership I was at had both models side by side, so here is the height comparison. it's not that much of a difference. it's probably a 10mm difference, just like the non-m-sport before. Close-ups of the new intake grilles on the bumper? I posted this elsewhere recently and am looking for clarification on this: Oh, and can anyone with an LCI M Sport confirm if the new centered position of the fog lights causes you to not see the large radiators behind the side air intakes (that is, if the grill in front of them is now closed because the fog lights are in the middle), or if they have repositioned the radiators so they can still have free air ? Or what if like the F30 with fog lights, had they now removed the radiators which were exclusive to the 2011-2013 M Sports? I'm really curious about this. If you look inside the side intakes of a pre-LCI M Sport you will see the fog lights pushed to the edges so next to them (in the middle of the intakes) the holes are open/functional and there are two radiators behind them. , allowing for additional cooling (an exclusive benefit reserved for M Sport cars that many people don't know about). As I said before, on the F30 M Sports you either get the fog lights and NO additional radiators (US cars) or you get open holes feeding extra radiators without any fog lights (European cars). The pre-LCI F10 M Sports hit the sweet spot with M-Sport-exclusive fog lights AND extra radiators behind the side air intakes, and I hope the LCIs didn't sacrifice that with the new center position fog lights..
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| cheena (198hp) | I just took a look at my LCI 535xi, on the left side fog light, the vents are closed. I don't know if there is a radiator behind it. On the right, on both sides there are air vents for the fog light and a radiator is visible. Quote: Posted by KA Any close-ups of the new intake grilles on the bumper? I posted this elsewhere recently and am looking for clarification on this: Oh, and can anyone with an LCI M Sport confirm if the new centered position of the fog lights causes you to not see the large radiators behind the side air intakes (that is, if the grill in front of them is now closed because the fog lights are in the middle), or if they have repositioned the radiators so they can still have free air ? Or what if like the F30 with fog lights, had they now removed the radiators which were exclusive to the 2011-2013 M Sports? I'm really curious about this. If you look inside the side intakes of a pre-LCI M Sport you will see the fog lights pushed to the edges so next to them (in the middle of the intakes) the holes are open/functional and there are two radiators behind them. , allowing for additional cooling (an exclusive benefit reserved for M Sport cars that many people don't know about). As I said before, on the F30 M Sports you either get the fog lights and NO additional radiators (US cars) or you get open holes feeding extra radiators without any fog lights (European cars). The pre-LCI F10 M Sports found the perfect way around this with M-Sport-exclusive fog lights AND additional radiators behind the side air intakes, and I hope the LCIs didn't sacrifice that with the new central position of the fog lights..
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| mazdamx5 (859hp) | Thanks for clarifying! Weird the left is closed as I'm pretty sure on the pre-LCI M Sport the holes are open on the left side with a visible radiator.
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| gosling (389hp) | Quote: Posted by KA Any close-ups of the new intake grilles on the bumper? Recently posted elsewhere and looking for more clarity on this: Here's a close-up of the grille Quote: Originally posted by KA, can anyone with an LCI M Sport confirm if the new centered position of the fog lights pleases you requires not seeing the large radiators behind the side intakes (i.e. if the grill in front of them is now closed due to the fog lights being in the middle), or if they have repositioned the radiators to so that they can always have free air? . you can clearly see the radiator behind it on the passenger side. the driver's side is blocked. I can get additional photos if needed
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| onyx (30hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Hoa, here is a close up of the grille, you can clearly see the radiator behind it on the passenger side. the driver's side is blocked. I can get additional photos if needed. Actually I'm talking about the lower bumper air intakes (where the fog lights are housed), is that what you are also referring to? On pre-LCIs, the fog lights sit all along the outer edges of the air intakes, allowing the vent holes next to them to feed air to additional radiators (pre-LCI M Sports exclusively receive these additional radiators for additional cooling. With LCI, the fog lights are now in the middle of the bumper's lower side air intakes, blocking air where the pre-LCI supplemental radiators are located. So I'm wondering if there are still those extra radiators behind the lower bumper side air intakes. and if so, can air still access it freely even with the fog lights right in the middle? If you or anyone can inspect and/or take close-up photos of the lower right and left bumper air intakes (where the fog lights are housed) to see if there are these radiators behind them, that would be great! As for KIDNEY grills, I love the new ones! Very subtle difference but I like their less slatted appearance.
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| 27041993 (972hp) | Quote: Originally posted by KA Actually I'm talking about the lower bumper air intakes (where the fog lights are housed), is that what you're referring to as well? On pre-LCIs, the fog lights sit all along the outer edges of the air intakes, allowing the vent holes next to them to feed air to additional radiators (pre-LCI M Sports exclusively receive these additional radiators for additional cooling. With LCI, the fog lights are now in the middle of the bumper's lower side air intakes, blocking air where the pre-LCI supplemental radiators are located. So I'm wondering if there are still those extra radiators behind the lower bumper side air intakes. and if so, can air still access it freely even with the fog lights right in the middle? If you or anyone can inspect and/or take close-up photos of the lower right and left bumper air intakes (where the fog lights are housed) to see if there are these radiators behind them, that would be great! yes, that's what I meant. I just don't have any close. the driver's side is blocked. on the passenger side you can see the radiator behind the fog light. the driver's side is just a dummy vent. it's stuck at the back. I will take pictures of both sides for you. both pre here and here for comparison
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| Kathryn (72hp) | Quote: Posted by Hoa Quote: Posted by KA Actually I'm talking about the lower bumper air intakes (where the fog lights are housed), is that what you're referring to as well? On pre-LCIs, the fog lights sit all along the outer edges of the air intakes, allowing the vent holes next to them to feed air to additional radiators (pre-LCI M Sports exclusively receive these additional radiators for additional cooling. With LCI, the fog lights are now in the middle of the bumper's lower side air intakes, blocking air where the pre-LCI supplemental radiators are located. So I'm wondering if there are still those extra radiators behind the lower bumper side air intakes. and if so, can air still access it freely even with the fog lights right in the middle? If you or anyone can inspect and/or take close-up photos of the lower right and left bumper air intakes (where the fog lights are housed) to see if there are these radiators behind them, that would be great! yes, that's what I meant. I just don't have any close. the driver's side is blocked. on the passenger side you can see the radiator behind the fog light. the driver's side is just a dummy vent. it's stuck at the back. I will take pictures of both sides for you. both pre here and here for comparison Great. Thank you so much. I believe both sides have exposed radiators with working vents on the pre-LCI, but I'm out of town for a few days so I can't check my own car..
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| memito (724hp) | Just curious, why do you think additional ventilation is so important? I believe BMW would ensure there is sufficient cooling anyway? :-)
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| 020581 (383hp) | I would as well, but a visible open radiator is a visible open radiator and I for one would rather have more than less. These cars need all the cooling help they can get.
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| Esthero (718hp) | I just spent 30 minutes on the phone with BMW NA with a woman who couldn't answer a single question I had. She kept referring me to my dealer who knew as much as she did. I don't know if anyone here can answer, but here are my questions. 1. Since they did away with the front LED turn signals, when you add the LED lighting package do you get the front LED turn signals? Also does anyone know what suspension you get if you add the adaptive transmission? Also as a side note, I took a photo of the front LED fog lights. There is a radiator visible behind each fog and the intercooler is visible on the lower center grille, with the radiator visible through the kidneys. Does anyone know if these are the two oil coolers behind the fogs? Thanks in advance.
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| protocol (135hp) | Dear All: I wonder if I can choose the transmission system in F10 LCI? for example: the Steptronic sports transmission is standard equipment on the LCI 528i in Taiwan. Can I choose a normal (non-sport) Steptronic transmission system when ordering a 528i LCI? And a normal Steptronic transmission is standard equipment of the LCI 520i in Taiwan. can I choose a Steptronic sports transmission system when ordering a 520i LCI? How much does it cost? THANKS~
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| orange55 (901hp) | At least in the EU, the sports transmission can no longer be added to entry-level engines such as 520i, 518d and 520d. It's a shame because I have the sports automatic transmission in my current F11 520d and I love it. I tested an lci F11 520d xDrive with the standard car the other day and it wasn't as good as the sports automatic. For higher range engines, you have the option of choosing between a sports car or a standard car. But if the 528i comes standard with the sports car in Taiwan, you may not be able to change that. The price difference between the two transmissions is around $300 in the EU.
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| princesse1 (797hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gorban At least in the EU, the sports transmission can no longer be added to entry-level engines such as 520i, 518d and 520d. It's a shame because I have the sports automatic transmission in my current F11 520d and I love it. I tested an lci F11 520d xDrive with the standard car the other day and it wasn't as good as the sports automatic. For higher range engines, you have the option of choosing between a sports car or a standard car. But if the 528i comes standard with the sports car in Taiwan, you may not be able to change that. The price difference between the two transmissions is around $300 in the EU. I agree. I think it depends on the region where the car is sold. Here in Indonesia, the F10 520d is equipped with the 8sp AT
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| 29031984 (456hp) | Wow....The price difference between the two transmissions is only 300 USD in the EU??? I know the sport transmission system has a Sport+ item. Besides the shifter, is there a physical hardware difference between the two systems? or only different in computer setting parameters? BTW, in Taiwan, comfort access is around 1700 USD, slow close automatic door system is around 1400 USD. I think it's double the EU price, right? Actually I'm going to order a 528i LCI (because the LED headlight is a standard, I love it..), but I care about the comfortable access and the slow automatic door closing system (the product number is 323, I don't know how to say it in English) more than the sport transmission, so I want to change sport on both devices. It seems that the 528i in EU can freely choose the transmission system, so I think I can ask my dealer to do the same for my order! My dealer is still confirming the possibility of my order, but I can't wait to know the answer... so I'm asking here. Thank you for your response! Quote: Originally posted by gorban At least in the EU, the sports transmission can no longer be added to entry-level engines such as 520i, 518d and 520d. It's a shame because I have the sports automatic transmission in my current F11 520d and I love it. I tested an lci F11 520d xDrive with the standard car the other day and it wasn't as good as the sports automatic. For higher range engines, you have the option of choosing between a sports car or a standard car. But if the 528i comes standard with the sports car in Taiwan, you may not be able to change that. The price difference between the two transmissions is around $300 in the EU.
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| justlooking (716hp) | So good... you envy... The 520D LCI equipment in Taiwan is even worse than the 520D before LCI. But the price is higher than the 520D before LCI!!! Quote: Originally posted by lmaleke I agree. I think it depends on the region where the car is sold. Here in Indonesia, the F10 520d is equipped with the 8sp AT
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| 123kat (927hp) | If the 528i LCi gets a sports transmission as standard, I don't see the problem, it's great.
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| lutist (433hp) | Yes, I know it's good. But I drive slowly...so...I want to change it to Comfort Access system + slow close automatic door. [/B] Quote: Originally posted by remmib If the 528i LCi has a standard sports transmission, I don't see the problem, it's great.
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| holyghost1 (651hp) | There is no hardware difference between the standard transmission and the sport transmission, only software differences, the SAT gets paddle shifters and a leather boot around the gear lever (at least in the US)..)
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| 010165 (852hp) | This is interesting information, thank you! In Taiwan, paddle shifters are a standard even in non-sports AT cars. But... what's with the leather boot around the gear lever? Could you show me a photo? My friend who owned a 520i LCI asks: Is there a way to modify his software so he can also own Sport+? Thanks again ~ Quote: Originally posted by SonicEndeavor There are no hardware differences between the standard transmission and the sport transmission, only software differences, the SAT gets paddle shifters and a leather boot around the shift lever (at least in the United States)..)
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| desant (260hp) | Quote: Originally posted by williamliu8668 This is interesting information, thanks! In Taiwan, paddle shifters are a standard even in non-sports AT cars. But... what's with the leather boot around the gear lever? Could you show me a photo? My friend who owned a 520i LCI asks: Is there a way to modify his software so he can also own Sport+? Thanks again ~ Here is the leather boot from my 2014 535i. I don't know if there is a way to get sport+ if it didn't come from the factory with.
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| yanayana (255hp) | Thank you so much!! I didn't notice the leather boot! It’s tricky!! Here is the sport version from Taiwan: And here is no sport version: Quote: Originally posted by SonicEndeavour Here is the leather boot from my 2014 535i. I don't know if there is a way to get sport+ s' it does not come from the factory with.
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| jordans (413hp) | Dear All: I wonder if I can choose the transmission system in F10 LCI? for example: the Steptronic sports transmission is standard equipment on the LCI 528i in Taiwan. Can I choose a normal (non-sport) Steptronic transmission system when ordering a 528i LCI? And a normal Steptronic transmission is standard equipment of the LCI 520i in Taiwan. can I choose a Steptronic sports transmission system when ordering a 520i LCI? How much does it cost? THANKS~
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| sdfghj (692hp) | At least in the EU, the sports transmission can no longer be added to entry-level engines such as 520i, 518d and 520d. It's a shame because I have the sports automatic transmission in my current F11 520d and I love it. I tested an lci F11 520d xDrive with the standard car the other day and it wasn't as good as the sports automatic. For higher range engines, you have the option of choosing between a sports car or a standard car. But if the 528i comes standard with the sports car in Taiwan, you may not be able to change that. The price difference between the two transmissions is around $300 in the EU.
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| 070782 (420hp) | Quote: Originally posted by gorban At least in the EU, the sports transmission can no longer be added to entry-level engines such as 520i, 518d and 520d. It's a shame because I have the sports automatic transmission in my current F11 520d and I love it. I tested an lci F11 520d xDrive with the standard car the other day and it wasn't as good as the sports automatic. For higher range engines, you have the option of choosing between a sports car or a standard car. But if the 528i comes standard with the sports car in Taiwan, you may not be able to change that. The price difference between the two transmissions is around $300 in the EU. I agree. I think it depends on the region where the car is sold. Here in Indonesia, the F10 520d is equipped with the 8sp AT
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| sarfly (317hp) | Wow....The price difference between the two transmissions is only 300 USD in the EU??? I know the sport transmission system has a Sport+ item. Besides the shifter, is there a physical hardware difference between the two systems? or only different in computer setting parameters? BTW, in Taiwan, comfort access is around 1700 USD, slow close automatic door system is around 1400 USD. I think it's double the EU price, right? Actually I'm going to order a 528i LCI (because the LED headlight is a standard, I love it..), but I care about the comfortable access and the slow automatic door closing system (the product number is 323, I don't know how to say it in English) more than the sport transmission, so I want to change sport on both devices. It seems that the 528i in EU can freely choose the transmission system, so I think I can ask my dealer to do the same for my order! My dealer is still confirming the possibility of my order, but I can't wait to know the answer... so I'm asking here. Thank you for your response! Quote: Originally posted by gorban At least in the EU, the sports transmission can no longer be added to entry-level engines such as 520i, 518d and 520d. It's a shame because I have the sports automatic transmission in my current F11 520d and I love it. I tested an lci F11 520d xDrive with the standard car the other day and it wasn't as good as the sports automatic. For higher range engines, you have the option of choosing between a sports car or a standard car. But if the 528i comes standard with the sports car in Taiwan, you may not be able to change that. The price difference between the two transmissions is around $300 in the EU.
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| 1lovemusic (117hp) | So good... you envy... The 520D LCI equipment in Taiwan is even worse than the 520D before LCI. But the price is higher than the 520D before LCI!!! Quote: Originally posted by lmaleke I agree. I think it depends on the region where the car is sold. Here in Indonesia, the F10 520d is equipped with the 8sp AT
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| jbizzyblox (538hp) | If the 528i LCi gets a sports transmission as standard, I don't see the problem, it's great.
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| okokok1 (270hp) | Yes, I know it's good. But I drive slowly...so...I want to change it to Comfort Access system + slow close automatic door. [/B] Quote: Originally posted by remmib If the 528i LCi has a standard sports transmission, I don't see the problem, it's great.
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| andre11 (233hp) | There is no hardware difference between the standard transmission and the sport transmission, only software differences, the SAT gets paddle shifters and a leather boot around the gear lever (at least in the US)..)
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| Alabama1 (614hp) | This is interesting information, thank you! In Taiwan, paddle shifters are a standard even in non-sports AT cars. But... what's with the leather boot around the gear lever? Could you show me a photo? My friend who owned a 520i LCI asks: Is there a way to modify his software so he can also own Sport+? Thanks again ~ Quote: Originally posted by SonicEndeavor There are no hardware differences between the standard transmission and the sport transmission, only software differences, the SAT gets paddle shifters and a leather boot around the shift lever (at least in the United States)..)
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| 140274 (827hp) | Quote: Originally posted by williamliu8668 This is interesting information, thanks! In Taiwan, paddle shifters are a standard even in non-sports AT cars. But... what's with the leather boot around the gear lever? Could you show me a photo? My friend who owned a 520i LCI asks: Is there a way to modify his software so he can also own Sport+? Thanks again ~ Here is the leather boot from my 2014 535i. I don't know if there is a way to get sport+ if it didn't come from the factory with.
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| 31121977 (304hp) | Thank you so much!! I didn't notice the leather boot! It’s tricky!! Here is the sport version from Taiwan: And here is no sport version: Quote: Originally posted by SonicEndeavour Here is the leather boot from my 2014 535i. I don't know if there is a way to get sport+ s' it does not come from the factory with.
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| 30051978 (912hp) | Be careful when cleaning the inside of your wheel barrels, the edges of the brake backing plates are very sharp and cut through the skin like a hot knife through butter. Learning through my misfortune.
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| m1ch3ll3 (980hp) | Yeah, I've done it 5 times already, it sucks.
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| blackhole (482hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Chili Palmer Be careful when cleaning the inside of your wheel barrels, the edges of the brake backing plates are very sharp and cut through the skin like a hot knife through butter. Learn through my misfortune. Daytona wheel brush = hands saved :-)
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| humtum (628hp) | Be careful when cleaning the inside of your wheel barrels, the edges of the brake backing plates are very sharp and cut through the skin like a hot knife through butter. Learning through my misfortune.
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