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| shelter (881hp) | So the character of the 6 is replaced by something that does the engine's job, but isn't felt or heard anywhere? Is there then?
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| alex0607 (997hp) | Quote: What you hear, however, is nothing but smoothness and lightness until around 6,000 rpm: up to that point the sound is unmistakably that of a four-cylinder. Just what we needed, a $50,000 BMW with a 4 cylinder engine that sounds like this..
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| vermouth (63hp) | Quote: Originally Posted by Saintor Exactly what we needed, a $50,000 BMW with a 4 cylinder engine that looks like one. I thought the same thing...
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| shabbir (179hp) | Sorry I'm not sold, a luxury 5 series 50K with a 4 banger, it may be a good engine but there is something inherently wrong with that. Keep it only in the 3 series and only offer the big turbo engines in the 5.
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| elnene (447hp) | Quote: Posted by Questforpower Sorry, I'm not sold, a luxury 5 series 50K with a 4 banger, it may be a good engine but there is something inherently wrong with it. Keep it only in the 3 Series and only offer the big turbo engines in the 5 Series. If you're not sold, then don't buy it! The 535i is also available if you want the big turbo engines. Choice isn't a bad thing, some prefer fuel economy over the extra power and price. I just wish BMW would supply the North American market with all the models they make (e.g. 320d).
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| Ivo_205 (699hp) | The 2.0 appears to be a worthy successor to the NA I-6. I always wonder if there is too much strain on these small engines because of the weight. I would expect the weight of the 528 to be around 3,800 pounds and for a small 4 banger to pull, that weight seems way stressful..
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| 199313 (966hp) | In the past it was, but now transmissions are the magic of the mix. Quote: Originally posted by E92LNGCGY The 2.0 appears to be a worthy successor to the NA I-6. I always wonder if there is too much strain on these small engines due to the weight. I would expect the weight of the 528 to be around 3,800 pounds and for a small 4 banger to pull, that weight seems way stressful..
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| adolfo1 (851hp) | Quote: Final EPA numbers aren't yet available, but BMW says it expects a significant improvement over the 528i's already eye-popping fuel economy numbers. (The 528i sedan with the 3.0-liter naturally aspirated six already achieves 32 mpg in EPA road testing.) Expect that figure to improve slightly with a bigger gain on the number EPA city of 22 mpg. I get 30-31 mpg highway at 70-75 mph on the 2011 535i. What's the point of a 4 cylinder unless it gives 38 mpg?
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| underoath7 (277hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Snow King If you're not sold, don't buy it! The 535i is also available if you want the big turbo engines. Choice isn't a bad thing, some prefer fuel economy over the extra power and price. I just wish BMW would supply the North American market with all the models they make (e.g. 320d). Don't worry, I won't! If you're thinking the 2.0L 4-cylinder engine belongs in a nearly 4,000 lb sedan that costs up to $60,000 full trim for a 528i... I suggest you re-evaluate your head. Remember that this is still a mid-size luxury vehicle, compared to an E-Class and a Lexus GS/Infiniti M - neither of which has a 4-cylinder engine..
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| meme11 (405hp) | Quote: Originally posted by E92LNGCGY The 2.0 appears to be a worthy successor to the NA I-6. I always wonder if there is too much strain on these small engines because of the weight. I would expect the weight of the 528 to be around 3,800 pounds and for a small 4 banger to pull, that weight seems way stressful. Without a doubt.
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| 2525252525 (274hp) | I don't like the 2.0T but I wouldn't criticize it unless I drive one
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| bigboy10 (422hp) | I think the 4 banger is a good idea, especially for those of us who travel 100+ miles every day. you still get a wonderful BMW luxury sedan without having to buy a different car for MPGs. although I think I would prefer the 535, the 4 cylinder is still an excellent choice
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| BD550I (561hp) | There is no reason to knock this 2.0l. More power and more efficient than the 3.0l. Winner. A very smart move for BMW.
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| simorodok62 (101hp) | Quote: Originally posted by EdwinF10 Quote: Originally posted by Saintor Exactly what we needed, a $50,000 BMW with a 4 cylinder engine that looks like one. I thought the same thing... Lol. What a sad argument. So take the old 6 cylinder with less hp and less mpg and keep your 6 cylinder sound (whatever the sound because I can't hear anything).
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| dragos.balaban (118hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bmwdinamo Lol. What a sad argument. So take the old 6 cylinder with less hp and less mpg and keep your 6 cylinder sound (whatever the sound because I can't hear anything). No, I'm not saying the old six is great, but it's certainly more appropriate in a car this expensive and this big. Hell, if it was my decision, for the US market I would have completely removed it as an engine option and kept the larger FI engines. I would rather suggest a 535D for those who are fuel conscious...
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| DarkgraphiteNYC (553hp) | Giving up the straight six for a 4-cylinder that gets 36 mpg highway is a big sacrifice for too little mpg gain. No 4 cyl for me, maybe on series 1 or 3 but on series 5 no thanks I'll pass.
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| zxcvb1234 (642hp) | Hmmm... do you think we'll see a 728Li? I don't think we will.
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| astonvilla1 (905hp) | I don't see why some of you are complaining about the disappearance of the inline six-cylinder in favor of this new turbo four-cylinder. The new engine is just as powerful as the old 3-liter and offers better fuel consumption. As a result, it sounds worse than the six-cylinder... big problem! Nothing but a replacement exhaust will solve the problem and what's more, the engine is quiet and smooth, that's what really matters..
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| gavin123 (907hp) | Unless it's MUCH faster than the NA 6, it's a stupid move. Slight fuel economy is no reason to pass up a 6-cylinder engine that stands for something and has been perfected for years (and doesn't have a turbo that could, let's say... BREAK one day or wear out the engine sooner!). Again, the ONLY thing that would convince me is a significant torque difference compared to the 6, which I doubt given the engine is much smaller. Now, for European markets, this could be a good thing. I remember our big dilemma one year when mom was buying a car (Nissan Altima 2000). We couldn't decide if we could afford a 1.8 liter engine rather than the 1.6 liter (it was the choice! The 1.8 was considered a rocket!). Can you believe this!? We opted for the 1.6 because it was more affordable. Take this into perspective guys. I know both sides of the story (born in Europe, living in Canada), so I understand why BMW did it... it just doesn't make enough sense for our continent, where we see often 4-door sedans equipped with V8s. and it's in the very affordable $30,000 zone. We consider 6 cylinders as a strict minimum (like me in a small 99 E46!), over there 6 cylinders is pure waste and a killer for the environment..
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| youtube2 (41hp) | Quote: Originally posted by E92LNGCGY The 2.0 appears to be a worthy successor to the NA I-6. I always wonder if there is too much strain on these small engines because of the weight. I would expect the weight of the 528 to be around 3,800 pounds and for a small 4 banger to pull, that weight seems way stressful. It all depends on the resistance of the block and the rotating assembly. The question to ask is: what are the sizes of the journals, what is the contact area of the main caps, what size and materials are the rod bolts made of? As long as they are rated for the vehicle's GVWR you will be fine.
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| lucas23 (313hp) | BIMMERPOST NEWSFirst review of the 2012 528i with 4-cylinder N20 Turbo58COMMENTSTweet !function(d,s,id){var js,fjs=d.getElementsByTagName(s)[0],if(!d.getElementById(id)){js= d.createElement(s),js.id=id,js.src='https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js',fjs.parentNode.insertBefore(js,fjs),}}(document,' script','twitter-wjs'), the 2012 528i will introduce BMW's 2.0L Twinpower Turbo inline-4 (N20) engine to the lineup of the 5 Series. The N20-powered 528i makes 245 horsepower and 258 lb.-ft. This new engine was also recently introduced in the 2012 Z4 sDrive28i and early reviews of the N20-powered Z4 have been positive. The first test of the N20-powered 528i is now available, via Automobile. What do they think? Quote: Is the new, downsized four-cylinder BMW 528i a home run? Almost – let’s call it a triple. Although the turbo is responsive enough in normal driving that you don't even notice its existence (oh, but you hear lots of delicious turbo sounds with the windows down), you can sometimes catch the entire powertrain revving up. sleep. Quote: The 528i isn't just about isolation, either. Refinement is rather the word, because once the revs start to climb, you can hear the engine very clearly. What you hear, however, is nothing but smoothness and lightness until around 6,000 rpm: up to that point, the sound is unmistakably that of a four-cylinder, with all the bad stuff removed. It sounds raspy, purposeful and completely and utterly in line with what the buyer of a base model BMW 5 Series would expect... And it's more than quick enough with the 2.0-liter, as is the sedan. Quote: Final EPA numbers aren't yet available, but BMW says it expects a significant improvement over the 528i's already eye-popping fuel economy numbers. (The 528i sedan with the 3.0-liter naturally aspirated six already achieves 32 mpg in EPA road testing.) Expect that figure to improve slightly with a bigger gain on the number EPA city of 22 mpg. With much more torque (over a much wider rev range) and no real loss of refinement in terms of handling, we're easily convinced by the N20-powered F10 5 Series. Complete review on Automobile - http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...ive/index.html
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| 01111985 (750hp) | Good thing, 32 mpg+ feels like a daily driver
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| weymouth (743hp) | So the character of the 6 is replaced by something that does the engine's job, but isn't felt or heard anywhere? Is there then?
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| happy321 (891hp) | Quote: What you hear, however, is nothing but smoothness and lightness until around 6,000 rpm: up to that point the sound is unmistakably that of a four-cylinder. Just what we needed, a $50,000 BMW with a 4 cylinder engine that sounds like this..
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| 99889988 (65hp) | Quote: Originally Posted by Saintor Exactly what we needed, a $50,000 BMW with a 4 cylinder engine that looks like one. I thought the same thing...
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| 061288 (231hp) | Sorry I'm not sold, a luxury 5 series 50K with a 4 banger, it may be a good engine but there is something inherently wrong with that. Keep it only in the 3 series and only offer the big turbo engines in the 5.
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| whatthe1 (897hp) | Quote: Posted by Questforpower Sorry, I'm not sold, a luxury 5 series 50K with a 4 banger, it may be a good engine but there is something inherently wrong with it. Keep it only in the 3 Series and only offer the big turbo engines in the 5 Series. If you're not sold, then don't buy it! The 535i is also available if you want the big turbo engines. Choice isn't a bad thing, some prefer fuel economy over the extra power and price. I just wish BMW would supply the North American market with all the models they make (e.g. 320d).
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| 123qwe4r (90hp) | The 2.0 appears to be a worthy successor to the NA I-6. I always wonder if there is too much strain on these small engines due to the weight. I would expect the weight of the 528 to be around 3,800 pounds and for a small 4 banger to pull, that weight seems way stressful..
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| 080494 (834hp) | In the past it was, but now transmissions are the magic of the mix. Quote: Originally posted by E92LNGCGY The 2.0 appears to be a worthy successor to the NA I-6. I always wonder if there is too much strain on these small engines because of the weight. I would expect the weight of the 528 to be around 3,800 pounds and for a small 4 banger to pull, that weight seems way stressful..
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| jetbalance (408hp) | Quote: Final EPA numbers aren't yet available, but BMW says it expects a significant improvement over the 528i's already eye-popping fuel economy numbers. (The 528i sedan with the 3.0-liter naturally aspirated six already achieves 32 mpg in EPA road testing.) Expect that figure to improve slightly with a bigger gain on the number EPA city of 22 mpg. I get 30-31 mpg highway at 70-75 mph on the 2011 535i. What's the point of a 4 cylinder unless it gives 38 mpg?
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| Technic (627hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Snow King If you're not sold, don't buy it! The 535i is also available if you want the big turbo engines. Choice isn't a bad thing, some prefer fuel economy over the extra power and price. I just wish BMW would supply the North American market with all the models they make (e.g. 320d). Don't worry, I won't! If you're thinking the 2.0L 4-cylinder engine belongs in a nearly 4,000 lb sedan that costs up to $60,000 full trim for a 528i... I suggest you re-evaluate your head. Remember that this is still a mid-size luxury vehicle, compared to an E-Class and a Lexus GS/Infiniti M - neither of which has a 4-cylinder engine..
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| monaliza2786 (522hp) | Quote: Originally posted by E92LNGCGY The 2.0 appears to be a worthy successor to the NA I-6. I always wonder if there is too much strain on these small engines because of the weight. I would expect the weight of the 528 to be around 3,800 pounds and for a small 4 banger to pull, that weight seems way stressful. Without a doubt.
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| 45674567 (450hp) | I don't like the 2.0T but I wouldn't criticize it unless I drive one
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| marian (975hp) | I think the 4 banger is a good idea, especially for those of us who travel 100+ miles every day. you still get a wonderful BMW luxury sedan without having to buy a different car for MPGs. although I think I would prefer the 535, the 4 cylinder is still an excellent choice
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| 040581 (205hp) | There is no reason to knock this 2.0l. More power and more efficient than the 3.0l. Winner. A very smart move for BMW.
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| 290379 (988hp) | Quote: Originally posted by EdwinF10 Quote: Originally posted by Saintor Exactly what we needed, a $50,000 BMW with a 4 cylinder engine that looks like one. I thought the same thing... Lol. What a sad argument. So take the old 6 cylinder with less hp and less mpg and keep your 6 cylinder sound (whatever the sound because I can't hear anything).
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| 241292 (252hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bmwdinamo Lol. What a sad argument. So take the old 6 cylinder with less hp and less mpg and keep your 6 cylinder sound (whatever the sound because I can't hear anything). No, I'm not saying the old six is great, but it's certainly more appropriate in a car this expensive and this big. Hell, if it was my decision, for the US market I would have completely removed it as an engine option and kept the larger FI engines. I would rather suggest a 535D for those who are fuel conscious...
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| lovechild1 (450hp) | Giving up the straight six for a 4-cylinder that gets 36 mpg highway is a big sacrifice for too little mpg gain. No 4 cyl for me, maybe on series 1 or 3 but on series 5 no thanks I'll pass.
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| 080690 (687hp) | Hmmm... do you think we'll see a 728Li? I don't think we will.
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| Raymond1 (755hp) | I don't see why some of you are complaining about the disappearance of the inline six-cylinder in favor of this new turbo four-cylinder. The new engine is just as powerful as the old 3-liter and offers better fuel consumption. As a result, it sounds worse than the six-cylinder... big problem! Nothing but a replacement exhaust will solve the problem and what's more, the engine is quiet and smooth, that's what really matters..
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| august12 (757hp) | Unless it's MUCH faster than the NA 6, it's a stupid move. Slight fuel economy is no reason to pass up a 6-cylinder engine that stands for something and has been perfected for years (and doesn't have a turbo that could, let's say... BREAK one day or wear out the engine sooner!). Again, the ONLY thing that would convince me is a significant torque difference compared to the 6, which I doubt given the engine is much smaller. For European markets, this could be a good thing. I remember our big dilemma one year when mom was buying a car (Nissan Altima 2000). We couldn't decide if we could afford a 1.8 liter engine rather than the 1.6 liter (it was the choice! The 1.8 was considered a rocket!). Can you believe this!? We opted for the 1.6 because it was more affordable. Take this into perspective guys. I know both sides of the story (born in Europe, living in Canada), so I understand why BMW did it... it just doesn't make enough sense for our continent, where we see often 4-door sedans equipped with V8s. and it's in the very affordable $30,000 zone. We consider 6 cylinders as a strict minimum (like me in a small 99 E46!), over there 6 cylinders is pure waste and a killer for the environment..
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| 040290 (437hp) | Quote: Originally posted by E92LNGCGY The 2.0 appears to be a worthy successor to the NA I-6. I always wonder if there is too much strain on these small engines due to the weight. I would expect the weight of the 528 to be around 3,800 pounds and for a small 4 banger to pull, that weight seems way stressful. It all depends on the resistance of the block and the rotating assembly. The question to ask is: what are the sizes of the journals, what is the contact area of the main caps, what size and materials are the rod bolts made of? As long as they are rated for the vehicle's GVWR you will be fine.
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| 200582 (462hp) | hi, I have an Iphone 4 and I'm running on 4.3.1 (8G4)... But I don't seem to have any VPN or Personal Hotspot options ???
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| 18081978 (644hp) | THANKS! I found it. clivey - If you can't find it like the picture, you can find it under Settings -->, General -->, Network -->, Personal Hotspot and VPN. I'm not sure what version I'm on, but I'm with Vodaphone UK, if that helps...
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| 1608 (962hp) | Quote: Originally posted by SpawneyGet Thanks! I found it. clivey - If you can't find it like the picture, you can find it under Settings -->, General -->, Network -->, Personal Hotspot and VPN. I'm not sure what version I'm on, but I'm with Vodaphone UK, if that helps... Cheers 4... So do I enable Personal Hotspot???? Or VPN ?
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| a22j5Bffci (737hp) | Personal hotspot, I think. It says below that... to share the iPhone's Internet connection.
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| niallhoran (808hp) | I don't remember having this option when I set mine up in January. Is this only a version after March 11? Or did I miss it? Can one before March 11th (mine is February 11th) have it, like with a software upgrade?
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| fusion01 (792hp) | On the iPhone, you need to enable Internet Tethering for this to work
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| elias123 (278hp) | So... has anyone in Europe gotten the internet to work with the F10/11 without using an iPhone or Bluetooth? If yes, could you please let me know in which countries. THANKS!
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| spiderpig (509hp) | Completely off topic (sorry) but - can this option (Internet) be installed later? Is it just software or hardware that is needed (e.g. a SIM card slot?)
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| moto123 (377hp) | This is not what you asked, but I get it working on my F25 without using mobile. The car has its own SIM. This is the United Kingdom. One thing I don't know, but will test next time abroad, is if it works when I'm outside the UK, which would probably mean the car SIM card is roaming...
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| 220493 (286hp) | Yes, that's the main problem in Denmark, the BMW dealership blames the telcos, but one guy who was smart enough to order his F10 from the UK made the internet work. So... if the technical possibility exists (the SIM card of this car must after all connect to Danish telecom operators), how come cars ordered for Denmark do not work in Denmark?! Mystery...and no one from BMW DK can shed any light on this :-( I'll have to remember to check if my car's internet works in Germany next time I drive there, but I'm not holding my breath.
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| matt15 (740hp) | I wouldn't be too disappointed, I would prefer if I _could_ use my mobile connection. The built-in data connection is apparently only GPRS, and it is very slow!
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| 290985 (391hp) | I have Autonet Carfi for the Slingbox. I can also see my desktop and transfer files. Netflix and streaming video work great. Not everyone has unlimited cellular data, so it's ideal for media. Anyone with a Skype account can really benefit from the Autonet Mobile in-car ISP, as they can call their loved ones or book a hotel without adding to their cell phone bill. Email and video streaming are no problem with the Autonet Mobile in-car ISP, as it can reach speeds of up to 1 Mbps when watching some of your favorite shows on YouTube or Veoh without having to bring your stock DVDs. Slingbox owners will be happy to watch their local channels while they're cruising the roads somewhere. Autonet Mobile is the first wireless Internet service provider designed for your car. http://www.autonetmobile.com/service/
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| furby1 (112hp) | hi, I have an Iphone 4 and I'm running on 4.3.1 (8G4)... But I don't seem to have any VPN or Personal Hotspot options ???
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| dylan14 (167hp) | THANKS! I found it. clivey - If you can't find it like the picture, you can find it under Settings -->, General -->, Network -->, Personal Hotspot and VPN. I'm not sure what version I'm on, but I'm with Vodaphone UK, if that helps...
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| chickadee (987hp) | Quote: Originally posted by SpawneyGet Thanks! I found it. clivey - If you can't find it like the picture, you can find it under Settings -->, General -->, Network -->, Personal Hotspot and VPN. I'm not sure what version I'm on, but I'm with Vodaphone UK, if that helps... Cheers 4... So do I enable Personal Hotspot???? Or VPN ?
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| julia01 (637hp) | Personal hotspot, I think. It says below that... to share the iPhone's Internet connection.
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| devante (443hp) | I don't remember having this option when I set mine up in January. Is this only a version after March 11? Or did I miss it? Can one before March 11th (mine is February 11th) have it, like with a software upgrade?
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| bubbles99 (133hp) | On the iPhone, you need to enable Internet Tethering for this to work
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| 5eries619 (248hp) | So... has anyone in Europe gotten the internet to work with the F10/11 without using an iPhone or Bluetooth? If yes, could you please let me know in which countries. THANKS!
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| machukreeva (917hp) | Completely off topic (sorry) but - can this option (Internet) be installed later? Is it just software or hardware that is needed (e.g. a SIM card slot?)
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| mattias (496hp) | This is not what you asked, but I get it working on my F25 without using mobile. The car has its own SIM. This is the United Kingdom. One thing I don't know, but will test next time abroad, is if it works when I'm outside the UK, which would probably mean the car SIM card is roaming...
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| joplin (957hp) | Yes, that's the main problem in Denmark, the BMW dealership blames the telcos, but one guy who was smart enough to order his F10 from the UK made the internet work. So... if the technical possibility exists (the SIM card of this car must after all connect to Danish telecom operators), how come cars ordered for Denmark do not work in Denmark?! Mystery...and no one from BMW DK can shed any light on this :-( I'll have to remember to check if my car's internet works in Germany next time I drive there, but I'm not holding my breath.
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| 25041985 (991hp) | I wouldn't be too disappointed, I would prefer if I _could_ use my mobile connection. The built-in data connection is apparently only GPRS, and it is very slow!
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| william123 (135hp) | I have Autonet Carfi for the Slingbox. I can also see my desktop and transfer files. Netflix and streaming video work great. Not everyone has unlimited cellular data, so it's ideal for media. Anyone with a Skype account can really benefit from the Autonet Mobile in-car ISP, as they can call their loved ones or book a hotel without adding to their cell phone bill. Email and video streaming are no problem with the Autonet Mobile in-car ISP, as it can reach speeds of up to 1 Mbps when watching some of your favorite shows on YouTube or Veoh without having to bring your stock DVDs. Slingbox owners will be happy to watch their local channels while they're cruising the roads somewhere. Autonet Mobile is the first wireless Internet service provider designed for your car. http://www.autonetmobile.com/service/
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| bugyman (481hp) | Quote: Originally posted by M-Power111 not to offend anyone but a lot of yuppies drive them and know nothing about cars and the beauty of BMW because all the time they are in the car or on the Bluetooth, or dreaming of their work. so as not to offend anyone? what does that mean? you can't just insult legions of people and incapacitate them with four stupid words.
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| 199321 (907hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bavarian19 I love everything about the engine, but the 2.1k price hike is a bit ridiculous. I can't help but think that BMW is starting to push its pricing limits out of a market. I remember the day when a fully loaded non-M 3 coupe cost $45,000. Now it's 70k. I think this is the most valid point. Some will argue that you don't need all the expensive options, but for the most part, many competitors offer many of these optional features as standard. BMW can just charge them more because they can. The day they can't anymore, we'll see a lot more of the stuff as standard - think of a tough economy that caused 2011 models to have free leather in the Value Package.
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| hallodu (752hp) | Interestingly, the invoice (per bmwconfig) for the 2012 528i I ordered was $350 less than the 2011 528i with comparable configuration..
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| sssuka80 (699hp) | Quote: Originally posted by LunarRide61 Interestingly, the invoice (per bmwconfig) for the 2012 528i I ordered was $350 less than the 2011 528i with a comparable configuration. So maybe the article is blowing wind?
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| caballo1 (593hp) | There have been some equipment changes which in many cases affect the as-equipped price. The article (unsurprisingly) ignores this.
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| yuiyui (763hp) | I guess I should clarify. On BMWConfig, the 2012 base invoice is $42,695 while the 2011 base invoice is $41,445. The 2012 base is therefore $1,250 more. This is when I add in the options I wanted the 2011 to cost $350 more than the similarly equipped 2012. Also remember that BMW took some of the options from the 2011 528i and made them standard on the 2012 528i - xenon/adaptive headlights, ambient lighting, auto. blackout mirrors, USB/iPod adapter. So this probably explains part of the increase in the base price..
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| bubuka (430hp) | I drove a 2010 528i and it was slow as fuck, but then again it was also a middle aged woman's car who really doesn't care and doesn't need engine power.
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| jonbonjovi (753hp) | The 0-60 mph in 0.4 sec advantage is so misleading. 5-60 mph – more real – will be the same as the N52 528i, around 7 sec. I drove the N20 and *hated it*. This doesn't sound like what a BMW should do. Because everything is abandoned, one mpg (city) is too high a price.
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| sorpresa (441hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Saintor The 0-60mph in 0.4s advantage is so misleading. 5-60 mph – more real – will be the same as the N52 528i, around 7 sec. I drove the N20 and *hated it*. This doesn't sound like what a BMW should do. Because everything is abandoned, one mpg (city) is too high a price. Forgive me, but wouldn't a 4-cylinder turbo be worse than an in-line 6-cylinder NA at 0-5?
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| Eminem (754hp) | Quote: Originally posted by paul386 Forgive me, but wouldn't a 4 cylinder turbo be worse than an inline 6 NA at 0-5? The turbo four will fare quite well, due to the torque curve, which delivers much more at low revs than the NA engine. On the other hand, there is no way that 5-60, properly tested, is slower than 0-60.
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| 16041994 (329hp) | Quote: Originally posted by M-Power111 not to offend anyone but a lot of yuppies drive them and know nothing about cars and the beauty of BMW because all the time they are in the car or on the Bluetooth, or dreaming of their work. so as not to offend anyone? what does that mean? you can't just insult legions of people and incapacitate them with four stupid words.
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| kinglove5 (555hp) | Quote: Originally posted by bavarian19 I love everything about the engine, but the 2.1k price hike is a bit ridiculous. I can't help but think that BMW is starting to push its pricing limits out of a market. I remember the day when a fully loaded non-M 3 coupe cost $45,000. Now it's 70k. I think this is the most valid point. Some will argue that you don't need all the expensive options, but for the most part, many competitors offer many of these optional features as standard. BMW can just charge them more because they can. The day they can't anymore, we'll see a lot more of the stuff as standard - think of a tough economy that caused 2011 models to have free leather in the Value Package.
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| 801123 (910hp) | Interestingly, the invoice (per bmwconfig) for the 2012 528i I ordered was $350 less than the 2011 528i with comparable configuration..
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| K-A (383hp) | Quote: Originally posted by LunarRide61 Interestingly, the invoice (per bmwconfig) for the 2012 528i I ordered was $350 less than the 2011 528i with a comparable configuration. So maybe the article is blowing wind?
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| doobie (269hp) | There have been some equipment changes which in many cases affect the as-equipped price. The article (unsurprisingly) ignores this.
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| mylove21 (247hp) | I guess I should clarify. On BMWConfig, the 2012 base invoice is $42,695 while the 2011 base invoice is $41,445. The 2012 base is therefore $1,250 more. This is when I add in the options I wanted the 2011 to cost $350 more than the similarly equipped 2012. Also remember that BMW took some of the options from the 2011 528i and made them standard on the 2012 528i - xenon/adaptive headlights, ambient lighting, auto. blackout mirrors, USB/iPod adapter. So this probably explains part of the increase in the base price..
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| 231286 (13hp) | I drove a 2010 528i and it was slow as fuck, but then again it was also a middle aged woman's car who really doesn't care and doesn't need engine power.
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| marie77 (545hp) | The 0-60 mph in 0.4 sec advantage is so misleading. 5-60 mph – more real – will be the same as the N52 528i, around 7 sec. I drove the N20 and *hated it*. This doesn't sound like what a BMW should do. Because everything is abandoned, one mpg (city) is too high a price.
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| volcom21 (826hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Saintor The 0-60mph in 0.4s advantage is so misleading. 5-60 mph – more real – will be the same as the N52 528i, around 7 sec. I drove the N20 and *hated it*. This doesn't sound like what a BMW should do. Because everything is abandoned, one mpg (city) is too high a price. Forgive me, but wouldn't a 4-cylinder turbo be worse than an in-line 6-cylinder NA at 0-5?
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| psicologa (743hp) | Quote: Originally posted by paul386 Forgive me, but wouldn't a 4 cylinder turbo be worse than an inline 6 NA at 0-5? The turbo four will fare quite well, due to the torque curve, which delivers much more at low revs than the NA engine. On the other hand, there is no way that 5-60, properly tested, is slower than 0-60.
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| solcito (63hp) | Hey guys, first post here! I got my 11' 550i in October. Today I received the low oil warning at 3,400 miles. I was worried and took it to the dealer and got the same talk about it, it's normal, we worry at 1000 miles/qt etc... which was good. However, when I got back to the office (should have checked at the dealership) I noticed the exhaust pipes were black as hell and there was a ton of oil on the tips. -themselves. for those who burn oil, do you notice that too? I called the service representative back and he told me that if there was no visible leak, they were doing a consumption test. So he wrote it down in the computer and told me to keep an eye on it
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| Bella1 (127hp) | DSB 550, I have 9700 miles and just added my 5th shift. I burn a gallon about every 1900 miles. My car has the chrome tips and the bottom is black but there is no oil on it..
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| rsimhamb (193hp) | Quote: Posted by DSB_550 Hey guys, first post here! I got my 11' 550i in October. Today I received the low oil warning at 3,400 miles. I was worried and took it to the dealer and got the same speech about it, it's normal, we are worried at 1000 miles/qt etc... which was good. However, when I got back to the office (should have checked at the dealership) I noticed the exhaust pipes were black as hell and there was a ton of oil on the tips. -themselves. for those who burn oil, do you notice that too? I called the service representative back and he told me that if there was no visible leak, they were doing a consumption test. So he wrote that down in the computer and said to keep an eye on it. Are you sure it was oil in the tips and not water? Black exhaust tips seem to be the norm, I have them on my 535i...but getting oil is a whole different story. If it really is oil, I suggest you bring the car in and have it checked..
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| amber4 (814hp) | No, I haven't noticed any oil at the ends of the exhaust pipes and have added a quart so far. I wash it almost every week - so I would have noticed oil on the exhaust pipes if there had been any. I have about 3,600 miles on my 2011 F10 550 M-Sport with an October build date 2010..
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| jason101 (857hp) | Quote: Posted by ghueser Are you sure it was oil in the tips and not water? Black exhaust tips seem to be the norm, I have them on my 535i...but getting oil is a whole different story. If it really is oil, we suggest you bring the car in and have it checked. ok, I'll have to check again and make sure it's not just soot/condensation...hopefully it is! thanks for the answers guys. I have to go out to wash the car, this weather has been horrible
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| 123e123e (798hp) | It's an interesting subject. Can I ask for a favor and we can do a little investigation? For guys with little to no oil consumption, how did you ride new? Hard, like no head break in, or by the book - gentle for the first 1,200 miles? And the same for guys who use a lot of oil? It would be interesting to see if there is a pattern.
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| 292tom (603hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 5er_luvver This is an interesting topic. Can I ask for a favor and we can do a little investigation? For guys with little to no oil consumption, how did you ride new? Hard, like no head break in, or by the book - gentle for the first 1,200 miles? And the same for guys who use a lot of oil? It would be interesting to see if there is a trend. we could do this, but I imagine it will vary by engine, so unless we specify it won't do much good. Personally, I was pretty gentle with the car for the first 1,000 miles...which is about 500 more than I've ever given any other car. As a side note, I spoke to my sister-in-law's boyfriend, who is a BMW technician and he said this is normal for this car (the 550).
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| 140495 (728hp) | At 1,000 miles, following break-in requirements (less than 4,500 rpm and less than 100 mph), I had a break in the oil change, the oil was 1 quart low. For the next 3,500 miles I had no oil burn and drove the car not hard but fast. I'm about to start the break-in process again with another F10, I'm curious to see what the oil level will be after its $1000 break-in. Quote: Originally posted by DSB_550 As a side note, I spoke to my sister-in-law. boyfriend, who is a BMW technician and he said it was normal for this car (the 550). It seems that this is the feedback I received as well, particularly regarding the break-in..
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| bronzewing (163hp) | 550 xdrive No additional oil consumption. Oil level at maximum since day one. I have done just over 6,000 km to date and 4 months of driving. All winter months to drive so far. I observed the break-in period and drove carefully.
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| trytry (270hp) | 535 xdrive No additional oil consumption. Oil level at maximum since day one. I have done just over 6,000 km to date and 3 months of driving. All winter months to drive so far. I observed the break-in period (sort of) and drove conservatively (mostly ).
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| jordan96 (728hp) | ^^^ No oil burning but lots of burning tires ...
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| halina (829hp) | 5uh love, I followed the break-in procedure for the first 1200 miles.
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| love2005 (362hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 5er_luvver This is an interesting topic. Can I ask for a favor and we can do a little investigation? For the guys with little to no oil consumption, how have you been riding new? Hard, like no head break in, or by the book - gentle for the first 1,200 miles? And the same for guys who consume a lot of oil? It would be interesting to see if there is a trend. This investigation would only be relevant if it was limited to specific engine types. However, after religiously following the break-in procedure and then gradually opening it up for a total of 3,000 kilometers, before really enjoying the car, the oil level in my 535d is exactly where it was on delivery - no perceptible loss after 6,000 kilometers..
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| blood4 (184hp) | I went out this evening and cleaned the wheels/tips and the tips came out very clean...looks like it was soot/condensation. it's going to rain over the next few days... but at least the wheels are clean again
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| wilson21 (118hp) | I just added another quart of oil today at 3785 miles, after getting the low oil message. No fees from the dealer. I added the first quart of oil at 2650 miles, after the low oil warning message appeared - dealer added a quart - at no charge. The dealer again told me that this is normal for the F10 550 (???) What does everyone think??
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| akon12 (839hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Autojack I just added another quart of oil today at 3785 miles, after getting the low oil message. No fees from the dealer. I added the first quart of oil at 2650 miles, after the low oil warning message appeared - dealer added a quart - at no charge. What do others think? You are getting close to what BMW considers abnormal oil consumption (1 liter per 1100 km OR 1 pint per 700 miles). Check with your after-sales service for details
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| kemper (808hp) | Update: 2800 miles NO oil used yet.
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| 260386 (922hp) | Same engine, but on a different car. My X5 with the turbo V8 consumed 1L at 2000 ks, another 1 L at 4000 and another 1 L at 6000 km. It was driven by my wife - read quite calmly - and the various people I spoke to here told me that 700ml per 1,000,000 is within spec. It seems incredible to me but that's what I'm told.
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| froggies (840hp) | Quote: Originally posted by SS14 Same engine, but on a different car. My X5 with the turbo V8 consumed 1L at 2000 ks, another 1 L at 4000 and another 1 L at 6000 km. It was driven by my wife - read quite calmly - and the various people I spoke to here told me that 700ml per 1,000,000 is within spec. This seems incredible to me, but that's what I'm told. This seems excessive to me, if the car was hammered yes but I would not be happy with this consumption rate.
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| egghead1 (878hp) | My BMW dealer told me it's normal for it to burn 1 gallon about every 1,000 miles. I've already had to add 1 quart at about 2,000 miles IIRC. I just did 3,000 miles so we'll see how much longer before he asks for another qt.
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| 2dumb2live (854hp) | for what it's worth... F10 550xi, followed by the first 1200 miles of break-in. Then gradually open, frequent sprints up to 100+ as much as possible. The beast just asked for +1qt at 6300 miles. Completed by the dealer, free of charge.
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| Wht550jersey (126hp) | 18.600 kilometers traveled and so far I have added about 1 liter of oil. I don't know if that would be considered a little or a lot. The oil BMW gave me is thin as water, so no wonder it tends to burn quite quickly. Break-in according to BMW advice in the manual. The first oil change according to iDrive will take place in 5,500 miles.
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| 233233 (790hp) | Hey guys, first post here! I got my 11' 550i in October. Today I received the low oil warning at 3,400 miles. I was worried and took it to the dealer and got the same speech about it, it's normal, we are worried at 1000 miles/qt etc... which was good. However, when I got back to the office (should have checked at the dealership) I noticed the exhaust pipes were black as hell and there was a ton of oil on the tips. -themselves. for those who burn oil, do you notice that too? I called the service representative back and he told me that if there was no visible leak, they were doing a consumption test. So he wrote that down in the computer and said to keep an eye on it
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| dorothee (371hp) | DSB 550, I have 9700 miles and just added my 5th shift. I burn a gallon about every 1900 miles. My car has the chrome tips and the bottom is black but there is no oil on it..
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| coolguy123 (727hp) | Quote: Posted by DSB_550 Hey guys, first post here! I got my 11' 550i in October. Today I received the low oil warning at 3,400 miles. I was worried and took it to the dealer and got the same speech about it, it's normal, we are worried at 1000 miles/qt etc... which was good. However, when I got back to the office (should have checked at the dealership) I noticed the exhaust pipes were black as hell and there was a ton of oil on the tips. -themselves. for those who burn oil, do you notice that too? I called the service representative back and he told me that if there was no visible leak, they were doing a consumption test. So he wrote that down in the computer and said to keep an eye on it. Are you sure it was oil in the tips and not water? Black exhaust tips seem to be the norm, I have them on my 535i...but getting oil is a whole different story. If it really is oil, I suggest you bring the car in and have it checked..
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| all4love (977hp) | No, I haven't noticed any oil at the ends of the exhaust pipes and have added a quart so far. I wash it almost every week - so I would have noticed oil on the exhaust pipes if there had been any. I have about 3,600 miles on my 2011 F10 550 M-Sport with an October build date 2010..
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| ross123 (516hp) | Quote: Posted by ghueser Are you sure it was oil in the tips and not water? Black exhaust tips seem to be the norm, I have them on my 535i...but getting oil is a whole different story. If it really is oil, we suggest you bring the car in and have it checked. ok, I'll have to check again and make sure it's not just soot/condensation...hopefully it is! thanks for the answers guys. I have to go out to wash the car, this weather has been horrible
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| gam (592hp) | It's an interesting subject. Can I ask for a favor and we can do a little investigation? For the guys with little to no oil consumption, how have you been riding new? Hard, like no head break in, or by the book - gentle for the first 1,200 miles? And the same for guys who consume a lot of oil? It would be interesting to see if there is a pattern.
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| DentalBoy (664hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 5er_luvver This is an interesting topic. Can I ask a favor and we'll do a little investigation? For guys with little to no oil consumption, how did you ride new? Hard, like no head break in, or by the book - gentle for the first 1,200 miles? And the same for guys who use a lot of oil? It would be interesting to see if there is a trend. we could do this, but I imagine it will vary by engine, so unless we specify it won't do much good. Personally, I was pretty gentle with the car for the first 1,000 miles...which is about 500 more than I've ever given any other car. As a side note, I spoke to my sister-in-law's boyfriend, who is a BMW technician and he said this is normal for this car (the 550).
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| BMWBoss (498hp) | At 1,000 miles, following break-in requirements (less than 4,500 rpm and less than 100 mph), I had a break in the oil change, the oil was 1 quart low. For the next 3,500 miles I had no oil burn and drove the car not hard but fast. I'm about to start the break-in process again with another F10, I'm curious to see what the oil level will be after its $1000 break-in. Quote: Originally posted by DSB_550 As a side note, I spoke to my sister-in-law. boyfriend, who is a BMW technician and he said it was normal for this car (the 550). It seems that this is the feedback I received as well, particularly regarding the break-in..
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| carl_d (313hp) | 550 xdrive No additional oil consumption. Oil level at maximum since day one. I have done just over 6,000 km to date and 4 months of driving. All winter months to drive so far. I observed the break-in period and drove carefully.
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| rand0m (545hp) | 535 xdrive No additional oil consumption. Oil level at maximum since day one. I have done just over 6,000 km to date and 3 months of driving. All winter months to drive so far. I observed the break-in period (sort of) and drove conservatively (mostly ).
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| smokey16 (353hp) | ^^^ No oil burning but lots of burning tires ...
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| 28031981 (977hp) | 5uh love, I followed the break-in procedure for the first 1200 miles.
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