| Username: | Message: |
|---|
| olemiss (630hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Boulder Bill You edit your idiotic post more than 3 times, and that's the best you can do? Thanks for continuing to prove my point. Trolls like you have no interest, only misrepresentation of information. If you have no contributions to this thread, please leave and stop spreading hate. My advice is to stop posting before you look like an idiot, oops, too late.
|
| ricardo7 (245hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The X Men What if they tell you to jump off a bridge............................... .... Once again demonstrating that you are enthusiastic, insightful debate rhetoric. Well done. You are not a troll, you are a tool.
|
| 21041984 (676hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Boulder Bill Once again, demonstrating this spirited and insightful debate rhetoric. Well done. You are not a troll, you are a tool. Please spare us your hate, this forum is for sharing information, if you have nothing constructive to add to the topic please leave this forum.
|
| alcool (477hp) | I have a 535i MSport with 6MT, UK. It's not a common choice where I live - diesel vastly outsells gasoline, and of the few who buy 535is, very few choose the manuals. My dealer tells me he received several phone calls from the production team early in the build, assuming I had forgotten to check the box for the 8AT. Anyway... FWIW 1) I had an 8SAT loaner for a day before ordering 2) I have been driving my 6MT for 6 months now 3) I agree that the 8SAT is a great piece of equipment. engineering and really fits the car 4) Still glad I bought the manual. Personal preference. It works well and keeps me from sleeping. There is still satisfaction in a well-executed gear change. And I like the entirely predictable relationship between revs and power delivered to the wheels, which is denied to the driver of a torque converter box. I'm a little sad to see that the 6MT will no longer be available on the 535i here in the UK, when the LCI models arrive. So yes, I am a dinosaur, and clearly out of step with the general public. BTW, I also prefer my old air-cooled 911 to the new one my dealer lent me for a day, and I think the only problem with my M3 CSL was the SMG box. I'm incurable, it seems.
|
| bearcats1 (467hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The X Men if you have nothing constructive to add to the topic, please leave this forum. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out . . .
|
| krasava (422hp) | vivefer, I'm surprised to read that BMW is discontinuing the 535i manual in the UK. Shifting is much more popular in Europe than here in the US, perhaps this is due to the better gas mileage. However, the BMW ZF 8-speed transmission is incredibly efficient. The 535i automatic transmission actually gets 4 MPG better than its manual counterpart. That said, I'm glad you're enjoying your 535i manual, as BMW appears to be one of the last to offer a stick shift in the mid-size sedan segment, but the end is near..
|
| latasha (97hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Boulder Bill What, no double smiley faces to accentuate the passive-aggressive comment? No, I'm not trying to be passive or aggressive in my last post, I'm just telling it like it is. Do you really think you're the only one who knows the difference between a stick shift and an automatic when it comes to shift point control? Let's be real, stick shifts are becoming commonplace in the mid-size luxury sedan segment..
|
| rogerdodger (96hp) | Quote: Posted by Boulder Bill You either love them or you don't. An MT is more fun to drive for many, myself included. I took the SAT. I actually had one for a weekend to try. The automatic just doesn't come close to the same feeling or experience. It's not bad, it's just different. You didn't like an MT, so you didn't order one. And it's great. But to suggest that there is no reason to be in tune with a car like the F10 is ignorant. With or without your smileys included. If you enjoy driving a manual transmission, the version mated to the 550 or 535 is a pleasure to engage and control. IMO. I agree with you
|
| cherry21 (518hp) | Quote: Originally published by The X Men No, I'm not trying to be passive or aggressive in my last post, I'm just telling it like it is. Do you really think you're the only one who knows the difference between a stick shift and an automatic when it comes to shift point control? Let's be real, stick shifts are becoming commonplace in the mid-size luxury sedan segment. Logic X: I don't like something. The market does not allow for substantial sales of anything. This something must suck and therefore no driver should like or appreciate it. This is not logic, but a conclusive opinion. Like I said before, if you don't want a stick, bully yourself. Why be so insecure about your choice that you express criticism of those who do. That would be like calling you a loser for not choosing to shift manually. On this and other topics, your thoughts don't seem particularly well formulated or helpful.
|
| 210283 (918hp) | Quote: Posted by Boulder Bill Logic X: I don't like something. The market does not allow for substantial sales of anything. This something must suck and therefore no driver should like or appreciate it. This is not logic, but a conclusive opinion. Like I said before, if you don't want a stick, bully yourself. Why be so insecure about your choice that you express criticism of those who do. That would be like calling you a loser for not choosing to shift manually. On this and other topics, your thoughts don't seem particularly well-worded or helpful. I have read most of your post, you contribute virtually nothing to this forum, in fact your posts are detrimental to this community. Almost every topic you choose to post in ends in disagreement with you and another member. You don't offer any information and try to create problems, there are names of people like you on the public forum, it's a troll.
|
| zabava (684hp) | Quote: Posted by Boulder Bill Logic X: I don't like something. The market does not allow for substantial sales of anything. This something must suck and therefore no driver should like or appreciate it. This is not logic, but a conclusive opinion. Like I said before, if you don't want a stick, bully yourself. Why be so insecure about your choice that you express criticism of those who do. That would be like calling you a loser for not choosing to shift manually. On this and other topics, your thoughts don't seem particularly well-worded or helpful. This is not to add fuel to the fire, but I am also one of those “dinosaurs” who still appreciate and only drive manual gearboxes. Even though the F10 is more luxurious than all the 5 before it, I still want the privacy of being truly involved in the driving process and so I will continue to drive only. Of course, my daily commute does not involve a car but rather a 15-minute walk. I'm about 12 months away from finding my E39 replacement and the short list of options on my used F10 will include M Sport and Manual trans. Keep me in mind Bill if you decide to sell next year. The used F10 market doesn't seem to be kind to us dinosaurs. LOL
|
| 301095 (324hp) | Quote: Posted by redvitesse Not to add fuel to the fire, but I am also one of the “dinosaurs” who still appreciate and only drive manual gearboxes. Even though the F10 is more luxurious than all the 5 before it, I still want the privacy of being truly involved in the driving process and so I will continue to drive only. Of course, my daily commute does not involve a car but rather a 15-minute walk. I'm about 12 months away from finding my E39 replacement and the short list of options on my used F10 will include M Sport and Manual trans. Keep me in mind Bill if you decide to sell next year. The used F10 market doesn't seem to be kind to us dinosaurs. LOL There are still a few manual diehards out there and most of them can be found on BMW forums like this one. Here's a guy selling his 550i 6 speed: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=706504
|
| 240293 (881hp) | Quote: Posted by redvitesse Not to add fuel to the fire, but I am also one of the “dinosaurs” who still appreciate and only drive manual gearboxes. Even though the F10 is more luxurious than all the 5 before it, I still want the privacy of being truly involved in the driving process and so I will continue to drive only. Of course, my daily commute does not involve a car but rather a 15-minute walk. I'm about 12 months away from finding my E39 replacement and the short list of options on my used F10 will include M Sport and Manual trans. Keep me in mind Bill if you decide to sell next year. The used F10 market doesn't seem to be kind to us dinosaurs. LOL, I myself went from an E39 to an F10. It's certainly an interesting transition with some positives and some negatives. Happy to PM if you have any questions. Both are certainly beautiful cars, and the F10's technology is superb. But I miss the handling of the E39. Jurassic Troll Bill
|
| callista (537hp) | I am thinking of ordering an item from JL Motoring. Does anyone have any feedback/experiences with them? How is the fitting of their lips before, etc. ? Any recommendations on who else to buy? There seems to be a discount code... Do forum members get any discounts? Does anyone have a discount code? THANKS!
|
| j0seph (354hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Boulder Bill Jurassic Troll Bill At least you have a sense of humor about your ignorance.
|
| joe1234 (359hp) | I am thinking of ordering an item from JL Motoring. Does anyone have any feedback/experiences with them? How is the fitting of their lips before, etc. ? Any recommendations on who else to buy? There seems to be a discount code... Do forum members get any discounts? Does anyone have a discount code? THANKS!
|
| 19861106 (250hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The X Men At least you have a sense of humor about your ignorance. Alas, you only have your ignorance. And personality flaws. And grammatical challenges.
|
| aa1234567 (812hp) | Quote: Originally published by Boulder Bill Alas, all you have is your ignorance. And personality flaws. And grammatical challenges. Wow, a smiley, I see some learning to use an emot. You must be having a good day, but the day is still young, I'm sure you will become your troll again as the day goes on. As for grammar, last time I checked this is a men's car forum and not a book club for old ladies like you. In your opinion, and yours alone, you consider yourself a scholarly extraordinaire and yet in the post above you started two sentences with a conjunction, it looks like someone needs to go back to high school. Gotta love it when people like you don't present any facts in a debate and try to change the subject and end up with their feet in their mouths..
|
| BrunoT (983hp) | I wouldn't own my F10 if it wasn't available in a stick shift version. The character of the car is what you make of it. Personally, I think that sport and automatic transmission are two words that contradict each other, but that's just my opinion. I also have 12 years of racing experience in single speed (karts), sequential gear (karts and single seaters) and stick shift (sedans and sports cars) vehicles, so I know the way they work all in a truly sporty environment. frame - which... by the way... the street is NOT. So on the street I will choose what allows me to enjoy the ride more, and that is a gear change every time..
|
| 10011985 (219hp) | I love, love the 5-speed manual in my 3,200 lb E46 330i, mainly because it adds so much to the driving experience (plus the stages from that era were failure-prone and slow .) However, I absolutely love the 6-speed manual transmission. the speed of my 4,065 lb F10 535 really isn't worth anything, to be honest, and I wouldn't order it with one again. Time has passed and it doesn't add anything, 1st gear is annoying and short to pull this beast, and I get 18.3 mpg stomping around in 3rd gear most of the time. Oh, and since you can't actually hear the damn engine, it's hard to match the revs and drive it smoothly. Now, I didn't buy this car thinking I would get 28 mpg, but 18 is kinda crappy. Plus, with idrive, it's a race to either keep fiddling with stuff at a red light, or put it in drive and go. The 5 Series is no longer a sports sedan in the classic sense, it's instead a smaller 7, although the 550 is a damn good dragster and the M5 is a different beast entirely..
|
| piopio (283hp) | Quote: Originally posted by superbuick I wouldn't own my F10 if it wasn't available in stick shift mode. The character of the car is what you make of it. Personally, I think that sport and automatic transmission are two words that contradict each other, but that's just my opinion. I also have 12 years of racing experience in single speed (karts), sequential gear (karts and single seaters) and stick shift (sedans and sports cars) vehicles, so I know the way they work all in a truly sporty environment. setting - which... by the way... the street is NOT. So on the street I'll go for what lets me enjoy the ride the most, and that's a gear change every time. There are still a few of you who prefer the stick, although there are fewer and fewer of you. It used to be that there were many reasons to buy a stick shift, it was cheaper, got better gas mileage and accelerated a little faster. I would add that it's more fun to drive, but not everyone finds that to be true. Fast forward to today, almost all of the benefits of the manual transmission have disappeared thanks to automatic transmission technologies. Which only leaves the subjective advantage of being more pleasant to drive. I like driving a stick as much as the next guy, maybe in a weekend car like a stick shift Porsche 911 on a windy road, but not in a full-size luxury sedan like the F10 during rush hour..
|
| sigrid (126hp) | All I know is what the Bimmer Techs told me, it's a real BMW with 6MT like it should be. So I guess they know what they're talking about.
|
| geisha (618hp) | Quote: Originally Posted by rbembas535i All I know is what the Bimmer techs told me, it's a real BMW with 6MT like it should be. So I guess they know what they're talking about. What if they tell you to jump off a bridge..........................
|
| 04051983 (779hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The X Men Wow, smiley face, I can see some of them learning how to use an emot. You must be having a good day, but the day is still young, I'm sure you will become your troll again as the day goes on. As for grammar, last time I checked this is a men's car forum and not a book club for old ladies like you. In your opinion, and yours alone, you consider yourself a scholarly extraordinaire and yet in the post above you started two sentences with a conjunction, it looks like someone needs to go back to high school. Gotta love it when people like you don't present any facts in a debate and try to change the subject and end up with their feet in their mouths. You edit your stupid post more than 3 times, and this is the best you can do? Thanks for continuing to prove my point..
|
| un1eash (607hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Boulder Bill You edit your idiotic post more than 3 times, and that's the best you can do? Thanks for continuing to prove my point. Trolls like you have no interest, only misrepresentation of information. If you have no contributions to this thread, please leave and stop spreading hate. My advice is to stop posting before you look like an idiot, oops, too late.
|
| pepsimax1 (502hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The X Men What if they tell you to jump off a bridge............................... .... Once again demonstrating that you are enthusiastic, insightful debate rhetoric. Well done. You are not a troll, you are a tool.
|
| dom (716hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Boulder Bill Once again, demonstrating this spirited and insightful debate rhetoric. Well done. You are not a troll, you are a tool. Please spare us your hate, this forum is for sharing information, if you have nothing constructive to add to the topic please leave this forum.
|
| brooklin (831hp) | I have a 535i MSport with 6MT, UK. It's not a common choice where I live - diesel vastly outsells gasoline, and of the few who buy 535is, very few choose the manuals. My dealer tells me he received several phone calls from the production team early in the build, assuming I had forgotten to check the box for the 8AT. Anyway... FWIW 1) I had an 8SAT loaner for a day before ordering 2) I have been driving my 6MT for 6 months now 3) I agree that the 8SAT is a great piece of equipment. engineering and really fits the car 4) Still glad I bought the manual. Personal preference. It works well and keeps me from sleeping. There is still satisfaction in a well-executed gear change. And I like the entirely predictable relationship between revs and power delivered to the wheels, which is denied to the driver of a torque converter box. I'm a little sad to see that the 6MT will no longer be available on the 535i here in the UK, when the LCI models arrive. So yes, I am a dinosaur, and clearly out of step with the general public. BTW, I also prefer my old air-cooled 911 to the new one my dealer lent me for a day, and I think the only problem with my M3 CSL was the SMG box. I'm incurable, it seems.
|
| gwada971 (486hp) | Quote: Originally posted by The X Men if you have nothing constructive to add to the topic, please leave this forum. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out . . .
|
| andrew17 (118hp) | vivefer, I'm surprised to read that BMW is discontinuing the 535i manual in the UK. Shifting is much more popular in Europe than here in the US, perhaps this is due to the better gas mileage. However, the BMW ZF 8-speed transmission is incredibly efficient. The 535i automatic transmission actually gets 4 MPG better than its manual counterpart. That said, I'm glad you're enjoying your 535i manual, as BMW appears to be one of the last to offer a stick shift in the mid-size sedan segment, but the end is near..
|
| born2die (974hp) | In the next month I will be renting my wife a 528 x-drive or a 535 x-drive. I plan to test both in the coming weeks, but I'm concerned about the 4 cylinder engine in a 4,000 pound car. If this car was for me, I'd go for a 550, but my wife cares more about comfort and technology than performance. So, I guess my question is: If performance isn't a big issue, then is the 528 good enough as a comfortable daily driver? Thank you in advance for all your answers.
|
| DocOct (939hp) | I just got a 528xi and I can assure you it has enough power for daily driving. I was very surprised at the support it has. the great thing about these engines is that all that torque is available so low in the rev range that it feels much more powerful than the 240 hp might indicate..
|
| nfyznfyz (904hp) | I had a 2013 528xi when my 535 was in service, and I was pleasantly surprised at how decent the engine was in such a big and heavy car. Personally, my lease is up and I just ordered a 550xi M-Sport with almost all the equipment...however, as a daily driver, unless she likes the performance of a 6 or 8 cylinder engine ...the 528 should more than suffice..
|
| a123b456 (206hp) | The 528 has enough power to pull the F10. Fill it with 4 adults, that's another story. I just have more skinny friends.
|
| elenanesterova (562hp) | It probably depends on what your wife currently drives or is used to driving. I'm out of the B8 S4, my current 528xi is definitely NOT an S4 type, but given that (just like you) I also drive in NYC, the N20 offers more pickup than I'll ever need in New York traffic..
|
| honey7 (194hp) | We drove both (not the $65,000. Drive both and decide if the 535 is worth the premium over the 528. It was for us.
|
| pelon123 (835hp) | nal13, the 528i definitely has enough power for someone just looking for a daily driver. The 4-cylinder engine is a little less refined than the 6-cylinder in terms of noise and smoothness. If your wife doesn't mind the 528i's minor flaws, then the 4-cylinder is the car for her..
|
| 121198 (371hp) | Thanks everyone for the responses. I'm going to try to go to the dealership to test both this weekend..
|
| perro123 (74hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Atombyte We drove both (not the 'a car costing over $65,000. Drive both and decide if the 535 is worth the premium over the 528. It was for us. Similar to these comments, I just purchased a 535 for my wife. The 528 was fine for me, but for my wife, who has lived in New York her whole life and is relatively new to driving, having that smoother takeoff after a stop was much nicer. The 528 is undoubtedly a good car for someone with a heavy foot, but for her, the power delivery of the 535 was more comforting. The most important thing is to drive them side by side. Good luck
|
| sunnyboy (499hp) | It depends on its vibration tolerance. The 4-cylinder is certainly impressive, but the idle is a bit rough and there is considerable vibration whenever the transmission is in a gear higher than optimal for the engine. If these things don't bother her then the 528i is a good choice, otherwise I would go with the 535i. Another option is the 535d which has similar power to the 535i with more torque in the optimal rev range, but gets very impressive gas mileage. The EPA hasn't rated it yet, but it should be in the low 30s city/highway combined...
|
| lilchris1 (441hp) | To me, as impressive as the N20 is for a 4 cylinder, you have to go with the I6 or V8 to complement the elegance and luxury of this car. The rattling 4-cylinder, with its inherent harsher nature and rawer sound, doesn't really fit well with the F10. The 535i is completely effortless, has a smooth but angry sound that complements the look of the car (when you rev up, otherwise it's totally silent) and will never transmit a single vibration into the cabin, neither at idle nor in slow motion. at the red line, due to its balance.
|
| bitches4 (970hp) | No one ever said wow, I wish I didn't have so much power...well maybe
|
| pimpin10 (777hp) | 535xDrive: it makes the difference. My wife said she didn't care about the horsepower and all too, but then she loved the 535 >, 528 and somehow sat in a 550 for the final purchase . It really comes down to personal preference. Have fun! Either route is good.
|
| troy123 (522hp) | Quote: Originally posted by SonicEndeavor It depends on its vibration tolerance. The 4-cylinder is certainly impressive, but the idle is a bit rough and there is considerable vibration whenever the transmission is in a gear higher than optimal for the engine. Rough idle? considerable vibrations? What exactly vibrates significantly, the steering wheel, the chassis? When the transmission is in a higher gear than optimal for the engine, the only thing I experience is extremely slow acceleration, but this never happens unless I intentionally downshift manually to a lower gear and switch it put it on the ground to see what happens. It doesn't vibrate, but it doesn't go anywhere when you're in 7th gear and going 30 mph. I mean, I'm really trying to understand your comments, but I can't. After 15 months in 528xi, I have yet to share your experiences. The only roughness you might encounter is when the car is on a particularly uneven surface and the ASS engages. This can basically shake the car as it starts a little too hard for my liking. This is NOT the norm, it is an anomaly that I rarely encounter. No idea how I6 would behave.
|
| pakistan47 (59hp) | I'm just echoing what others have said. The N20 is a very good engine and you will be amazed by its performance when you try it. Like you said, your wife is more interested in technology and comfort, so put extra money in that area instead of power which she might not even notice..
|
| def (88hp) | it looks great!
|
| melvin123 (45hp) | Quote: Posted by COBodom Rough has slowed down? considerable vibrations? What exactly vibrates significantly, the steering wheel, the chassis? When the transmission is in a higher gear than optimal for the engine, the only thing I experience is extremely slow acceleration, but this never happens unless I intentionally downshift manually to a lower gear and switch it put it on the ground to see what happens. It doesn't vibrate, but it doesn't go anywhere when you're in 7th gear and going 30 mph. I mean, I'm really trying to understand your comments, but I can't. After 15 months in 528xi, I have yet to share your experiences. The only roughness you might encounter is when the car is on a particularly uneven surface and the ASS engages. This can basically shake the car as it starts a little too hard for my liking. This is NOT the norm, it is an anomaly that I rarely encounter. No idea how I6 would behave. I'm glad you're happy with the 528i, as is my next door neighbor. As I mentioned, it all depends on a person's sensitivity to engine vibration. If you don't feel it, don't start looking for it. You can feel the rough idle through the brake pedal and the vibration of the engine through the gas pedal as it bogs down due to gearing above optimal speed (which is often in my experience). experience) and not through the steering wheel or suspension. I'm talking about being in a gear higher than optimal, not multiple gears. Once again, BMW has done a good job with the N20. It just doesn't meet my expectations..
|
| jujubee1 (698hp) | Honestly, they look nicer than the OEM nappa. Good for you!
|
| orange1234 (366hp) | Quote: Originally posted by SonicEndeavour I'm glad you're happy with the 528i, as is my next door neighbor. As I mentioned, it all depends on a person's sensitivity to engine vibration. If you don't feel it, don't start looking for it. You can feel the rough idle through the brake pedal and the vibration of the engine through the gas pedal as it bogs down due to gearing above optimal speed (which is often in my experience). experience) and not through the steering wheel or suspension. I'm talking about being in a gear higher than optimal, not multiple gears. Once again, BMW has done a good job with the N20. It just doesn't live up to my expectations. Exactly. If you are sensitive to the nature of a 4 cylinder, you will notice it on the N20, although less than most 4 cylinders. The noise, the slight clunk at idle and the fact that you can feel the engine in the cabin. Larger engines are always less felt in the cabin than smaller ones. Here we are at two extremes because a 4 cylinder is inherently the most rudimentary of them, and an I6 is not a V6, it is practically the only (aside from a Boxer 6) inherently balanced engine configuration , so you literally feel nothing but a smooth pull and operation in the cabin, and the only feedback you get from the engine is the glorious sound at higher revs. The F10 chassis is very well insulated and the N20 is a remarkable, even brilliant, 4-cylinder engine, so most people will find it more than smooth enough....it just depends on your sensitivity level regarding smoothness and gentleness. effortlessly, you love how your engines sound and feel, not only in terms of performance, but also in terms of overall operation.
|
| 1steelers (782hp) | Did you also do the back seat? I can't tell from the photos...
|
| monkey94 (337hp) | I'm extremely surprised at how refined and smooth the N20 is. I don't feel any significant vibration while driving. The only time I notice anything is when the windows are open and I start the car after it has been sitting all night. only then does it remind me that it's a 4 cylinder. even the ASS was pretty smooth for the most part.
|
| madison9 (735hp) | Yes also the rear seats. Here are some more photos. http://www.motor-talk.de/bilder/von-alcantara-auf-nappa-leder-umgeruestet-g47585568/dsc-0030-e-i205090077.html
|
| 03061985 (793hp) | The N20 engine has been tested and it is underrated in terms of power. It produces somewhere in the 270 hp range, instead of the 240 BMW claims. If a 2011 Merc E350 can run with that much power, I don't see why the 528 can't. That being said, I can't speak to how the 528i feels, but the 535i's power is plentiful and delivered smoothly. You can barely feel the changes, and sometimes you don't feel like you're going as fast as you are..
|
| dusan (747hp) | Did the installer custom make the covers or did you purchase pre-cut covers for your seats?
|
| 130681 (607hp) | What does she usually drive? What does she like most about what she has now? What does she want in the next car that her current car has or doesn't have? Driving it won't help you answer these questions, it will only tell you that one car has enough power and the other more than enough. What she looks for will depend on the factors presented above. Because when you've already made up your mind about running a 4000 lb. 4 cylinder. the vehicle performs well, it doesn't stand a chance against the 535 when you test them back to back.
|
| 29121989 (680hp) | The installer customized everything himself.
|
| mrich1353 (261hp) | Wouldn't it be better to let your wife take the test drive and decide which one she wants?
|
| 346100 (189hp) | hi, now also a photo of the rear seats. greet
|
| lizzard1 (372hp) | Quote: Posted by wrickem Wouldn't it be better to let your wife take the test drive and decide which one she wants? If I were my wife, I would choose an X5
|
| lkjhgfds (213hp) | It's beautiful
|
| stef (149hp) | In the next month I will be renting my wife a 528 x-drive or a 535 x-drive. I plan to test both in the coming weeks, but I'm concerned about the 4 cylinder engine in a 4,000 pound car. If this car was for me, I'd go for a 550, but my wife cares more about comfort and technology than performance. So, I guess my question is: If performance isn't a big issue, then is the 528 good enough as a comfortable daily driver? Thank you in advance for all your answers.
|
| ghjcnjghjcnj (388hp) | Nappa is awesome. I love the softness of nappa. I like Alcantara, but it's harder to maintain. Both look good.
|
| da1nonly (211hp) | I just got a 528xi and I can assure you it has enough power for daily driving. I was very surprised at the support it has. the great thing about these engines is that all that torque is available so low in the rev range that it feels much more powerful than the 240 hp might indicate..
|
| 280290 (677hp) | OMG I love the interior to death!!!
|
| church2 (442hp) | I had a 2013 528xi when my 535 was in service, and I was pleasantly surprised at how decent the engine was in such a big and heavy car. Personally, my lease is up and I just ordered a 550xi M-Sport with almost all the equipment...however, as a daily driver, unless she likes the performance of a 6 or 8 cylinder engine ...the 528 should more than suffice..
|
| 310181 (794hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 7woodman7 The installer did all the customizations himself. How much did it cost to do the conversion and where is the installer located??
|
| lolman (742hp) | The 528 has enough power to pull the F10. Fill it with 4 adults, that's another story. I just have more skinny friends.
|
| 181983 (487hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mau What was the price to do the conversion and where is the installer located? Here is the installers' homepage: http://www.profi-sattler.de/home.html
|
| 110020 (834hp) | It probably depends on what your wife currently drives or is used to driving. I'm out of the B8 S4, my current 528xi is definitely NOT an S4 type, but given that (just like you) I also drive in NYC, the N20 offers more pickup than I'll ever need in New York traffic..
|
| 07071983 (728hp) | The Nappa seats are superb! Does anyone here know if it is possible to order Alcantara seats in the US? I see the original photos of the F10 M-sport, but haven't seen any other than this thread.
|
| dimulya.vasilenko (519hp) | We drove both (not the $65,000. Drive both and decide if the 535 is worth the premium over the 528. It was for us.
|
| apple9 (473hp) | Why the hell can't we get these M seats on our US M sport packages? I love them both. The Alcantara is cool but obviously looks a little too much like fabric. I'm also sure the maintenance would be ab*tch.
|
| 1470 (427hp) | nal13, the 528i definitely has enough power for someone just looking for a daily driver. The 4-cylinder engine is a little less refined than the 6-cylinder in terms of noise and smoothness. If your wife doesn't mind the 528i's minor flaws, then the 4-cylinder is the car for her..
|
| wanesso (933hp) | This is very impressive work. I like this before and after. Before, I feel more individual since most of the 5 series are leather, but the look of leather coverings is also nice..
|
| 65656565 (932hp) | Thanks everyone for the responses. I'm going to try to go to the dealership to test both this weekend..
|
| 122008 (406hp) | Quote: Originally posted by ManiacGT This is very impressive work. +1000 Very nice touch.
|
| spence1 (324hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Atombyte We drove both (not the 'a car costing over $65,000. Drive both and decide if the 535 is worth the premium over the 528. It was for us. Similar to these comments, I just purchased a 535 for my wife. The 528 was fine for me, but for my wife, who has lived in New York her whole life and is relatively new to driving, having that smoother takeoff after a stop was much nicer. The 528 is undoubtedly a good car for someone with a heavy foot, but for her, the power delivery of the 535 was more comforting. The most important thing is to drive them side by side. Good luck
|
| paokara4 (241hp) | I've never seen anything like this in the USA, Alcantara everywhere! how is this possible!
|
| HEAVEN (952hp) | It depends on its vibration tolerance. The 4-cylinder is certainly impressive, but the idle is a bit rough and there is considerable vibration whenever the transmission is in a gear higher than optimal for the engine. If these things don't bother her then the 528i is a good choice, otherwise I would go with the 535i. Another option is the 535d which has similar power to the 535i with more torque in the optimal rev range, but gets very impressive gas mileage. The EPA hasn't rated it yet, but it should be in the low 30s city/highway combined...
|
| 20051986 (618hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 007mead I've never seen anything like this in the US, Alcantara everywhere! how is this possible! This is an option for Europe. Alcantara on seat edges etc., with fabric inserts in the middle/resistant areas. For those who prefer fabric to glossy leather on a cold Euro morning
|
| money007 (919hp) | To me, as impressive as the N20 is for a 4 cylinder, you have to go with the I6 or V8 to complement the elegance and luxury of this car. The rattling 4-cylinder, with its inherent harsher nature and rawer sound, doesn't really fit well with the F10. The 535i is completely effortless, has a smooth but angry sound that complements the look of the car (when you rev up, otherwise it's totally silent) and will never transmit a single vibration into the cabin, neither at idle nor in slow motion. at the red line, due to its balance.
|
| Oulixes (779hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 007mead I've never seen anything like this in the US, Alcantara everywhere! how is this possible! I get the Alcantara seats and the Alcantara headliner.
|
| habana (201hp) | No one ever said wow, I wish I didn't have so much power...well maybe
|
| 198101 (176hp) | Has anyone talked to a dealer about getting these Alcantara seats in the US ??
|
| 20091995 (231hp) | 535xDrive: it makes the difference. My wife said she didn't care about the horsepower and all too, but then she loved the 535 >, 528 and somehow sat in a 550 for the final purchase . It really comes down to personal preference. Have fun! Either route is good.
|
| 550iFreak (356hp) | how much did it cost and how long did it take?
|
| zrealunoaz (810hp) | Quote: Originally posted by SonicEndeavor It depends on its vibration tolerance. The 4-cylinder is certainly impressive, but the idle is a bit rough and there is considerable vibration whenever the transmission is in a gear higher than optimal for the engine. Rough idle? considerable vibrations? What exactly vibrates significantly, the steering wheel, the chassis? When the transmission is in a higher gear than optimal for the engine, the only thing I experience is extremely slow acceleration, but this never happens unless I intentionally downshift manually to a lower gear and switch it put it on the ground to see what happens. It doesn't vibrate, but it doesn't go anywhere when you're in 7th gear and going 30 mph. I mean, I'm really trying to understand your comments, but I can't. After 15 months in 528xi, I have yet to share your experiences. The only roughness you might encounter is when the car is on a particularly uneven surface and the ASS engages. This can basically shake the car as it starts a little too hard for my liking. This is NOT the norm, it is an anomaly that I rarely encounter. No idea how I6 would behave.
|
| 29031995 (836hp) | I want to change the seats like you did. Please let me know the cost to do this.
|
| paradise2 (922hp) | I'm just echoing what others have said. The N20 is a very good engine and you will be amazed by its performance when you try it. Like you said, your wife is more interested in technology and comfort, so put extra money in that area instead of power which she might not even notice..
|
| ben123456 (614hp) | it looks great!
|
| 18111990 (961hp) | Quote: Posted by COBodom Rough has slowed down? considerable vibrations? What exactly vibrates significantly, the steering wheel, the chassis? When the transmission is in a higher gear than optimal for the engine, the only thing I experience is extremely slow acceleration, but this never happens unless I intentionally downshift manually to a lower gear and switch it put it on the ground to see what happens. It doesn't vibrate, but it doesn't go anywhere when you're in 7th gear and going 30 mph. I mean, I'm really trying to understand your comments, but I can't. After 15 months in 528xi, I have yet to share your experiences. The only rough patch you might encounter is when the car is on a particularly uneven surface and the ASS engages. This can basically shake the car as it starts a little too hard for my liking. This is NOT the norm, it is an anomaly that I rarely encounter. No idea how I6 would behave. I'm glad you're happy with the 528i, as is my next door neighbor. As I mentioned, it all depends on a person's sensitivity to engine vibration. If you don't feel it, don't start looking for it. You can feel the rough idle through the brake pedal and the vibration of the engine through the gas pedal as it bogs down due to gearing above optimal speed (which is often in my experience). experience) and not through the steering wheel or suspension. I'm talking about being in a gear higher than optimal, not multiple gears. Once again, BMW has done a good job with the N20. It just doesn't meet my expectations..
|
| boss22 (699hp) | Honestly, they look nicer than the OEM nappa. Good for you!
|
| 211989 (229hp) | Quote: Originally posted by SonicEndeavour I'm glad you're happy with the 528i, as is my next door neighbor. As I mentioned, it all depends on a person's sensitivity to engine vibration. If you don't feel it, don't start looking for it. You can feel the rough idle through the brake pedal and the vibration of the engine through the gas pedal as it bogs down due to gearing above optimal speed (which is often in my experience). experience) and not through the steering wheel or suspension. I'm talking about being in a gear higher than optimal, not multiple gears. Once again, BMW has done a good job with the N20. It just doesn't live up to my expectations. Exactly. If you are sensitive to the nature of a 4 cylinder, you will notice it on the N20, although less than most 4 cylinders. The noise, the slight clunk at idle and the fact that you can feel the engine in the cabin. Larger engines are always less felt in the cabin than smaller ones. Here we are at two extremes because a 4 cylinder is inherently the most rudimentary of them, and an I6 is not a V6, it is practically the only (aside from a Boxer 6) inherently balanced engine configuration , so you literally feel nothing but a smooth pull and operation in the cabin, and the only feedback you get from the engine is the glorious sound at higher revs. The F10 chassis is very well insulated and the N20 is a remarkable, even brilliant, 4-cylinder engine, so most people will find it more than smooth enough....it just depends on your sensitivity level regarding smoothness and gentleness. effortlessly, you love how your engines sound and feel, not only in terms of performance, but also in terms of overall operation.
|
| robby (563hp) | Did you also do the back seat? I can't tell from the photos...
|
| spike12 (172hp) | I'm extremely surprised at how refined and smooth the N20 feels. I don't feel any significant vibration while driving. The only time I notice anything is when the windows are open and I start the car after it has been sitting all night. only then does it remind me that it's a 4 cylinder. even the ASS was pretty smooth for the most part.
|
| 1beautiful (87hp) | Yes also the rear seats. Here are some more photos. http://www.motor-talk.de/bilder/von-alcantara-auf-nappa-leder-umgeruestet-g47585568/dsc-0030-e-i205090077.html
|
| mike25 (82hp) | The N20 engine has been tested and it is underrated in terms of power. It produces somewhere in the 270 hp range, instead of the 240 BMW claims. If a 2011 Merc E350 can run with that much power, I don't see why the 528 can't. That being said, I can't speak to how the 528i feels, but the 535i's power is plentiful and delivered smoothly. You can barely feel the changes, and sometimes you don't feel like you're going as fast as you are..
|
| zxcqwe123 (816hp) | Did the installer custom make the covers or did you purchase pre-cut covers for your seats?
|
| TommyGunz (638hp) | What does she usually drive? What does she like most about what she has now? What does she want in the next car that her current car has or doesn't have? Driving it won't help you answer these questions, it will only tell you that one car has enough power and the other more than enough. What she looks for will depend on the factors presented above. Because when you've already made up your mind about running a 4000 lb. 4 cylinder. the vehicle performs well, it doesn't stand a chance against the 535 when you test them back to back.
|
| chihuahua (977hp) | The installer customized everything himself.
|
| readonly (827hp) | Wouldn't it be better to let your wife take the test drive and decide which one she wants?
|
| asd147 (127hp) | hi, now also a photo of the rear seats. greet
|
| m_thompson (806hp) | Quote: Posted by wrickem Wouldn't it be better to let your wife take the test drive and decide which one she wants? If I were my wife, I would choose an X5
|
| Charles1 (473hp) | It's beautiful
|
| micha (292hp) | Nappa is awesome. I love the softness of nappa. I like Alcantara, but it's harder to maintain. Both look good.
|
| cogito (478hp) | OMG I love the interior to death!!!
|
| bluestar1 (745hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 7woodman7 The installer did all the customizations himself. How much did it cost to do the conversion and where is the installer located??
|
| EZ_TUR90 (86hp) | Quote: Originally posted by mau What was the price to do the conversion and where is the installer located? Here is the installers' homepage: http://www.profi-sattler.de/home.html
|
| 15321532 (307hp) | The Nappa seats are superb! Does anyone here know if it is possible to order Alcantara seats in the US? I see the original photos of the F10 M-sport, but haven't seen any other than this thread.
|
| 12051993 (82hp) | Why the hell can't we get these M seats on our US M sport packages? I love them both. The Alcantara is cool but obviously looks a little too much like fabric. I'm also sure the maintenance would be ab*tch.
|
| rockandrol (404hp) | This is very impressive work. I like this before and after. Before, I feel more individual since most of the 5 series are leather, but the look of leather coverings is also nice..
|
| Slavo (233hp) | Quote: Posted by ManiacGT This is very impressive work. +1000 Very nice touch.
|
| 06071988 (361hp) | I've never seen anything like this in the USA, Alcantara everywhere! how is this possible!
|
| polska11 (383hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 007mead I've never seen anything like this in the US, Alcantara everywhere! how is this possible! This is an option for Europe. Alcantara on seat edges etc., with fabric inserts in the middle/resistant areas. For those who prefer fabric to glossy leather on a cold Euro morning
|
| harrypotter1 (157hp) | Quote: Originally posted by 007mead I've never seen anything like this in the US, Alcantara everywhere! how is this possible! I get the Alcantara seats and the Alcantara headliner.
|
| justin0 (919hp) | Has anyone talked to a dealer about getting these Alcantara seats in the US ??
|
| larisa1 (429hp) | how much did it cost and how long did it take?
|
| eee333 (943hp) | I want to change the seats like you did. Please let me know the cost to do this.
|
| sasha01 (292hp) | So today I was picking up my keys to go out when the valet key fell out. Mind you, I never use the valet key and the only time I said so was to put on a new key fob. I noticed that the plastic tab that held the key had broken. Two questions: 1- has anyone else had this problem? 2- is there a way to fix this? Please share your comments. I can't post a photo from an iPhone!
|
| chris23 (713hp) | Photo uploaded.
.
|
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:58 AM.
