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198217 (815hp)	Quote: Originally posted by Jason The new M5 is expected to release more quickly than previous generations. As the series of spy photos shows, the F10 M5 was tested in conjunction with the regular F10 sedan. THANKS! I guess you may have done a little more work than the salesman we were talking to..
lsmith1981 (724hp)	I guess pushing 600, but more importantly the torque will be significantly increased over the current v.10
laila (270hp)	I'm pretty sure they'll leave it with the same power as the X5/X6M. Unlike AMG, BMW doesn't like to have different horsepower of the same engine just for marketing purposes. Moreover, even at the same power level, it will be one of the most powerful cars in its class..
samsung10 (260hp)	The F10 M5 will have a better 0-60 time considering it weighs at least 1,000 pounds less than the X5M. As for appearance, the grille will be wider than the standard 5er.
diesel20 (389hp)	Quote: Originally posted by Mii F10 The M5 will have a better 0-60 time considering it weighs at least 1,000 pounds less than the X5M. As for appearance, the grille will be wider than the standard 5er. But with the enormous torque the X5M produces... how is the M5 going to get the power to connect??? The X5M has 305s in the rear...which I'm sure won't fit on the new M.5.
newfie (963hp)	Quote: Originally posted by Mii Appearance-wise, the grille will be wider than that of the standard 5er. From what I understand, it will be thicker but not necessarily wider. BMW did this at the time with the E39. Early models had thin grille surrounds and when the M5 came out they also updated the grille surrounds to a thicker version which later replaced all e39 models built after 9/2000. The F10 grilles are, however, wider than those of the E model60..
lexus123 (475hp)	It's silly to say they won't be able to control this dramatic increase in torque over the old M5 but there's no doubt it will cause them headaches. Squeezing 555 hp and similar amounts of torque through the rear tires alone is terribly difficult, especially when more of the weight is placed elsewhere. This thing has the potential to light the rear wheels up to third gear with relative ease and it will probably be in the dry. I question the wisdom of this amount of power in a rear-wheel drive family sedan and I have no doubt that, given the option, BMW would have preferred not to increase the amount of power the E60 already had, but to compete, they had few options. It will be interesting to see how things develop and to see if this amount of power isn't a step backwards. Another interesting thing is KERS and if it is part of the package and if so will it power the front axle to help with traction and stability..
Three_thirty_I (550hp)	Quote: Originally posted by Cdnrockies This speculation will last a long time. The M5 wasn't released for 2 years after the E60 debuted. My dealer told me to expect the same time frame for this one. Don't get me wrong...I can't wait to learn more about this beast because I want it in my garage too. Quote: Originally posted by Jason The new M5 is expected to release more quickly than previous generations. As the series of spy photos shows, the F10 M5 was tested in conjunction with the regular F10 sedan. All future ///M products will come to market faster than in the past. The cars will be co-designed from the start. ///M will have a say on production vehicles to make upgrading a little easier. The F10 is the first to see this collaboration. Dr. Kay made this point when he was appointed head of the ///Mr. There's a market for the cars right off the bat, but they're not available yet. To increase profits per model, they need the full length of the production cycle. We might even see the ///M5 next fall. For information. Quote: Posted by dmz I'm pretty sure they'll leave it with the same power output as the X5/X6M. Unlike AMG, BMW doesn't like to have different horsepower of the same engine just for marketing purposes. Additionally, even at the same power level, it will be one of the most powerful cars in its class. They will have a different power output from this engine than anything I've been told since July - they can (and will) tune this differently than in after-sales service, after-sales service needed a large flat torque line value. They can increase engine speed and have a maximum torque curve. Originally I heard a higher horsepower number and a lower torque number, partly due to software and different turbos. What they're testing now, I'm not sure because they've become more secretive about things. Quote: Originally posted by footie I question the wisdom of this amount of power in a rear-wheel drive family sedan and have no doubt, given the option, that BMW would have preferred not to increase the amount which the E60 already had, but to compete, they had few options. It will be interesting to see how things develop and to see if this amount of power isn't a step backwards. Another cool thing is KERS and if it is part of the package and if it is it will power the front axle to help with traction and stability. hmmm, power to the front axle...you might be on to something there or maybe some sort of specialized rear axle....oh the possibilities!
200496 (234hp)	Quote: Originally posted by mapezzul They will have a different power output from this engine than anything I've been told since July - they can (and will) tune this differently than in after-sales service, after-sales service needed to a great value flat torque line. They can increase engine speed and have a maximum torque curve. Originally I heard a higher horsepower number and a lower torque number, partly due to software and different turbos. What they're testing now, I'm not sure because they've become more secretive about things. This is exactly my take on things, SUV is a heavy vehicle with 4 wheel drive so it can easily cope with a huge torque curve from low revs, but when you are talking about a car at propulsion with at best a 50/50 balance and not the usual 44/56 balance is needed with this type of output, it would at least be beneficial to adjust the delivery to a more traditional N/A type curve. This is my understanding of what could well be seen with the M3 and it's why I think too many people dismiss the very idea simply because they are inspired by models like the N54. Tight lips are something I've become accustomed to over the years, but particularly in recent months since the global economy collapsed. Quote: Originally posted by mapezzul hmmm power to the front axle...you might be on to something there or maybe some sort of specialized rear axle....Oh the possibilities! Either could be a possibility, but such a setup up front would make achieving their ideal 50/50 balance very difficult. Although I honestly believe it would be the right decision.
dolina (994hp)	Quote: Posted by footie This is exactly my point, SUV is a heavy vehicle with 4 wheel drive, so it can easily cope with a huge torque curve from low revs, but when you talk about a rear-wheel drive car with at best 50/50 and not the usual 44/56 balance needed with this type of output, it would at the very least be beneficial to adjust the delivery to a more traditional N/A type curve. This is my understanding of what could well be seen with the M3 and is why I believe too many people dismiss the very idea simply because they are inspired by models like the N54. Tight lips are something I've become accustomed to over the years, but particularly in recent months since the global economy collapsed. Either could be a possibility, but such a setup up front would make achieving their ideal 50/50 balance very difficult. Although I honestly believe it would be the right decision. The E55 AMG had 516 lbs of torque and managed to send it to the rear wheels with devastating results. Even looking at the modified E55 pushing 600+ horsepower and matching torque driving deep into the 11s and high 10s, I think a more sophisticated Dynamic Stability Control system would be the easiest way to utilize the big power that this car will have. Just look at the boost ramp used on the HPF ///M3s. What makes sense when we talk about 500 hp family sedans? I'm sorry, but when playing in this area, reason cannot be applied. These are super powerful flagships and while I wish the focus was on providing the best possible driving experience (power to weight ratio and response), unfortunately people expect a lot of output of these monsters and many consumers in this market just want to see bigger numbers (BHP). /TQ). Not that I'm complaining, I just wish we could get an F10 ///M5 with the E60 ///M5 CSL 5.5 with DCT and lose maybe 100 pounds. But the shows killed it for us, with the relentless march of progress....
jared2 (677hp)	That's your personal opinion, however, I don't agree that the powerful AMGs do so well with their type of power and are nowhere near as good as a car like the RS6. My goodness, I suggest you try using all the power available without the ESP button activated, what you will get is clouds of smoke, a very lively tail and a third of the life of your tires at best. You quote acceleration times based on dragstrip figures, a surface designed to make it easier to pull cars ten times more powerful. Maybe in your world this is the only important thing, but in the real world these cars have to deal with normal roads, changing weather conditions and average driving skills. Manufacturers therefore have a duty to make even their craziest models a little sane..
27061993 (733hp)	Quote: Posted by footie It's your personal opinion, however, I disagree that the powerful AMGs do as well with their type of power and are nowhere near as good as a car like the RS6. My goodness, I suggest you try to use all the power available without the ESP button activated, what you will get is clouds of smoke, a very lively tail and a third of the life of your tires at best. You quote acceleration times based on dragstrip figures, a surface designed to make it easier to pull cars ten times more powerful. Maybe in your world this is the only important thing, but in the real world these cars have to deal with normal roads, changing weather conditions and average driving skills. Manufacturers therefore have a duty to make even their craziest models a little sensible. That's why I suggest a more sophisticated traction control system that can reign in the BHP where traction won't allow it. A perfect example would be the F1 mode seen in modern Ferraris such as the F430 and more recently the F458. They've increased power consistently for each successive model without having to abandon a RWD setup for all-wheel drive in the quest to maintain traction. Yes, an RS6 offers wonderful traction, but pure straight-line acceleration can get boring after a while. Having to balance power to control the rear out of corners or actually control a slide from the apex to trace the point is much more exciting in my opinion. As a ///M owner and part of a household of 3 ///M, it's this balance that excites us the most. Ultimately, we prefer fun to pure traction in all conditions, but that being said, a DSC mode created along the same lines as Ferrari's Mannetinio F1 system could offer the best of both worlds. As you can see, my world revolves around road racing and autocrossing, with a Z4 ///M coupe to boot. Straight line acceleration is fun and good, but for me it's the corners that get my pulse racing and really separate the men from the boys..
19091990 (605hp)	Totally agree, an F458 type system would be the way to go. We'll have to see if it comes with something like that..
28061987 (545hp)	Quote: Originally posted by footie Completely agree, an F458 type system would be the way to go. We will have to see if it will be offered with something like that. Now you can get that advanced DSC AND a higher-revving turbo powertrain.?
r00ster (999hp)	Does anyone have any info on what colors are available for the interior? other than the traditional cream/black/gray, I'm hoping for a saddle brown color or even something with a red tint. ideas?
ritesh (882hp)	Yes, on www.bmw.de there is a viewer. Bad news: no saddle brown, only very light colors. Odd. I would love it if brownish was available. Perhaps it is reserved for the future M Package. Quote: Originally posted by xMSMx Does anyone have any info on available colors for the interior? other than the traditional cream/black/gray, I'm hoping for a saddle brown color or even something with a red tint. ideas?
kmdtyjr (292hp)	I don't understand how a nice Saddle Brown interior is offered on Series 3, X5, 5-Gt, 7 and X6, but not on Series 5.......Does that make sense?
Dansarkis (937hp)	Quote: Originally posted by BimmerGuyFL I don't understand how a nice Saddle Brown interior is offered on the 3 Series, X5, 5-Gt, 7 and X6, but not the 5 Series.......Is Does this make sense? +1 I'm personally a fan of Coral Red if I had my ultimate choice. I can see how this is the case for most people, but what's so unusual or strange about a basic brown color like Saddle Brown ??
yahoos (259hp)	it doesn't make any sense... just say it isn't haha
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branko (470hp)	Does anyone have any info on what colors are available for the interior? other than the traditional cream/black/gray, I'm hoping for a saddle brown color or even something with a red tint. ideas?
mustang64 (691hp)	Yes, on www.bmw.de there is a viewer. Bad news: no saddle brown, only very light colors. Odd. I would love it if brownish was available. Perhaps it is reserved for the future M Package. Quote: Originally posted by xMSMx Does anyone have any info on available colors for the interior? other than the traditional cream/black/gray, I'm hoping for a saddle brown color or even something with a red tint. ideas?
0711 (570hp)	I don't understand how a nice Saddle Brown interior is offered on Series 3, X5, 5-Gt, 7 and X6, but not on Series 5.......Does that make sense?
pancha (387hp)	Quote: Originally posted by BimmerGuyFL I don't understand how a nice Saddle Brown interior is offered on the 3 Series, X5, 5-Gt, 7 and X6, but not the 5 Series.......Is Does this make sense? +1 I'm personally a fan of Coral Red if I had my ultimate choice. I can see how this is the case for most people, but what's so unusual or strange about a basic brown color like Saddle Brown ??
august04 (209hp)	it doesn't make any sense...say it's not the case haha
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waterboy1 (434hp)	Quote: Originally published by totoro UK pricing http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/index/?se...5&bodyID=LI10# I have attached the current price of the e60 UK for comparison with the next F.10:
VZehn (200hp)	..I don't know how to interpret this... if the projected price for an F10 550i is to be about $3,000 more than the E60, wouldn't that put the new 550i almost on par (if not more than) of the 550 GT (given the base price at 63,900)? Isn't the GT more exclusive than the reg 550 sedan?...I don't know what I'm missing...
25081987 (75hp)	Sheesh, the 550i got a price increase. This compares to the E550 which actually received a price reduction compared to the latest version....
24021991 (353hp)	Has anyone else noticed the 550i's 27 mpg? Is it true?
02011985 (937hp)	Quote: Posted by AlexWK Does anyone else notice the 550i's 27 mpg? Is it real? These are most likely imperial gallons which are larger than US gallons. That equates to between 22 and 23 US MPG, which isn't bad for this kind of power. I wonder if the E9x M3 had this engine would it have better MPG?
polling (757hp)	Quote: Posted by AlexWK Does anyone else notice the 550i's 27 mpg? Is it real? These are UK numbers. For the 335i I believe the # was 32mpg.
irish12 (337hp)	I hope the US price of the 550 stays the same! If they raise the price of the 550i, they would be better off lowering the price of the 535i. I'm considering a 535i or 550i depending on price.
isaac12 (811hp)	Quote: Originally posted by Alchem I hope the US price on 550 stays the same! If they raise the price of the 550i, they would be better off lowering the price of the 535i. I'm considering a 535i or 550i depending on price. I can guarantee the 550i will be inferior to the E550. It's always been like this, and it's not about to change now.
02081986 (890hp)	Keep in mind that the price listed for the E60 550i is for a manual, the price listed for the F10 is for an automatic. North America gets an F10 550i manual, but we don't. Stewart.
meriem (764hp)	A little off topic, but why not 535d? Do you think it will come later?
rjhjnrb1 (25hp)	Quote: Originally posted by Alchem I hope the US price on 550 stays the same! If they raise the price of the 550i, they would be better off lowering the price of the 535i. I'm considering a 535i or 550i depending on price. sorry, but you will be disappointed. In this economy, what makes you think they're going to cut anything? Better to stick to the series 3.
550iP.O.S. (95hp)	Well that's normal, more standard products and newer technologies in a bloated world = higher price.
F10Low (922hp)	Quote: Originally posted by StewartM Keep in mind that the price listed for the E60 550i is for a manual, the price listed for the F10 is for an automatic. North America gets an F10 550i manual, but we don't. True... but isn't an automatic in the E60 a no-cost option these days? Which I believe comes down to BMW integrating the cost of the automatic transmission into the base price. At least for the Series sedan 5.....
xboxlive1 (279hp)	Mercedes Benz offers many models on which it earns a significant margin (like the S Class, for example). They might be willing to risk low prices on the E-Class. Plus, doesn't the C-Class cost less than the 3 Series these days? Before, it was the other way around. I'm hoping for lower prices just as much as the next guy, but I wouldn't be too sure... BMW can always reduce production of the F10 and focus higher volume production on lower quality models like the series 1 and 3..
Sgirgiss1214 (962hp)	the new 530d has better performance than the old 535d, lower price, etc... I couldn't find any information about the new 535d, it may be called 540d with the engine of 740d....
16071980 (629hp)	Quote: Originally posted by ArmyBimmerDude sorry, but you're going to be disappointed. In this economy, what makes you think they're going to cut anything? Better to stick to series 3. You just said that in your answer. They must keep prices low in the economy if they want to sell.
cupcake! (165hp)	Quote: Originally posted by Alchem You just said that in your answer. They must keep prices low in the economy if they want to sell. In theory yes, but as the 550GT showed, they have no intention of doing that. The majority of their sales being made in the United States does not excuse the weakness of the dollar. It won't be a drastic increase in prices, but they won't decrease either. As the previous member posted, Merc may drop the price a bit on one model because it makes up for it in the dozens of other models they have..
01092007 (556hp)	Quote: Originally posted by ArmyBimmerDude As the previous member posted, Merc may drop the price a bit on one model because it makes up for it in the dozens of other models they have. It makes you think a little... maybe that's why BMW introduces so many weird variants. To distribute the margins. Ahhhh, but do they have enough margin at this point with what they currently have for sale? I say no. Why do you think they would come back with such a vengeance (now with 2 different turbo power plants)? Remember the E60, which debuted with 184 horsepower in the base model? Here they are ready for an immediate power increase. Obviously, I think they want to market this car at the top of the food chain. I'm sure the 528 will be very competitively priced, but not the others.
drummer2 (776hp)	Quote: Originally Posted by RichReg Obviously I think they want to market this car up the food chain. I'm sure the 528 will be very competitively priced, but not the others. You've already seen some of the pricing structure of the 5... The 528 will be an interesting case in terms of standard features - wait and see as BMWNA is still making decisions on how to package it for a specific price level (notice how the 328 for 2010 is missing a few things that have been standard for years!) The GT will set the market cap as 550 from everything I've heard - sort of like there 540 sportwagon did it years ago. BMW is spreading out R&D and increasing economies of scale internally, so there are more shared components than there have been in many years, which can help improve pricing. I would expect a bump of course, but nothing that gives the new product greater value due to the technology and overall improvements. The 528i will debut 3-5 weeks after the 535i/550i if everything goes according to current plans. -M
maricris (687hp)	Quote: Originally posted by mapezzul...BMW is spreading out R&D and increasing economies of scale internally, so there are more shared components than there have been in a number of years , which can help with pricing. I would expect a bump of course, but nothing that gives the new product greater value due to technology and overall improvements. The 528i will debut 3-5 weeks after the 535i/550i if everything goes according to current plans. -M Hopefully BMWNA can offer competitive pricing to all 5-inch lines. Some technologies in the F10 are significantly improved compared to the previous generation, but at the same time expected to be discontinued while competitors also offered similar technology at a competitive price..
watever1 (300hp)	$80,000 for a 550i without options? I wonder how well a 550 will work with all wheel drive and a dual clutch transmission here in the US.?
10051005 (258hp)	Quote: Originally posted by TT C6 $80,000 for a 550i with no options? I wonder how well a 550 will work with all wheel drive and a dual clutch transmission here in the US? Where did you read that the 550i would come with DCT? I highly doubt the DCT will be offered with FI engines in the near future for the same reasons the X5/6 M is not offered with the DCT. I wish I was wrong.
260587 (687hp)	Quote: Originally published by totoro UK pricing http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/index/?se...5&bodyID=LI10# I have attached the current price of the e60 UK for comparison with the next F.10:
050593 (393hp)	..I don't know how to interpret this... if the projected price for an F10 550i is to be about $3,000 more than the E60, wouldn't that put the new 550i almost on par (if not more than) of the 550 GT (given the base price at 63,900)? Isn't the GT more exclusive than the reg 550 sedan?...I don't know what I'm missing...
hunters1 (144hp)	Sheesh, the 550i got a price increase. This compares to the E550 which actually received a price reduction compared to the latest version....
flower08 (9hp)	Has anyone else noticed the 550i's 27 mpg? Is it true?
murphy01 (198hp)	Quote: Posted by AlexWK Does anyone else notice the 550i's 27 mpg? Is it real? These are most likely imperial gallons which are larger than US gallons. That equates to between 22 and 23 US MPG, which isn't bad for this kind of power. I wonder if the E9x M3 had this engine would it have better MPG?
15101981 (235hp)	Quote: Posted by AlexWK Does anyone else notice the 550i's 27 mpg? Is it real? These are UK numbers. For the 335i I believe the # was 32mpg.
2011550xi (914hp)	I hope the US price of the 550 stays the same! If they raise the price of the 550i, they would be better off lowering the price of the 535i. I'm considering a 535i or 550i depending on price.
DanielBJJ420 (415hp)	Quote: Originally posted by Alchem I hope the US price on 550 stays the same! If they raise the price of the 550i, they would be better off lowering the price of the 535i. I'm considering a 535i or 550i depending on price. I can guarantee the 550i will be inferior to the E550. It's always been like this, and it's not about to change now.
neal (561hp)	Keep in mind that the price listed for the E60 550i is for a manual, the price listed for the F10 is for an automatic. North America gets an F10 550i manual, but we don't. Stewart.
301192 (845hp)	A little off topic, but why not 535d? Do you think it will come later?
230285 (186hp)	Quote: Originally posted by Alchem I hope the US price on 550 stays the same! If they raise the price of the 550i, they would be better off lowering the price of the 535i. I'm considering a 535i or 550i depending on price. sorry, but you will be disappointed. In this economy, what makes you think they're going to cut anything? Better to stick to the series 3.
triumph1 (856hp)	Well that's normal, more standard products and newer technologies in a bloated world = higher price.
marie86 (310hp)	Quote: Originally posted by StewartM Keep in mind that the price listed for the E60 550i is for a manual, the price listed for the F10 is for an automatic. North America gets an F10 550i manual, but we don't. True...but isn't an automatic in the E60 a no-cost option these days? Which I believe is BMW integrating the cost of the automatic transmission into the base price. At least for the Series sedan 5.....
colten (616hp)	Mercedes Benz offers many models on which it earns a significant margin (like the S Class, for example). They might be willing to risk low prices on the E-Class. Plus, doesn't the C-Class cost less than the 3 Series these days? Before, it was the other way around. I'm hoping for lower prices just as much as the next guy, but I wouldn't be too sure... BMW can always reduce production of the F10 and focus higher volume production on lower quality models like the series 1 and 3..
cebucity (810hp)	the new 530d has better performance than the old 535d, lower price, etc... I couldn't find any information about the new 535d, it may be called 540d with the engine of 740d....
llama123 (363hp)	Quote: Originally posted by ArmyBimmerDude sorry, but you're going to be disappointed. In this economy, what makes you think they're going to cut anything? Better to stick to series 3. You just said that in your answer. They must keep prices low in the economy if they want to sell..
040290 (756hp)	Quote: Originally posted by Alchem You just said that in your answer. They must keep prices low in the economy if they want to sell. In theory yes, but as the 550GT showed, they have no intention of doing that. The majority of their sales being made in the United States does not excuse the weakness of the dollar. It won't be a drastic increase in prices, but they won't decrease either. As the previous member posted, Merc may drop the price a bit on one model because it makes up for it in the dozens of other models they have..
27091986 (825hp)	Quote: Originally posted by ArmyBimmerDude As the previous member posted, Merc may drop the price a bit on one model because it makes up for it in the dozens of other models they have. It makes you think a little... maybe that's why BMW introduces so many weird variants. To distribute the margins. Ahhhh, but do they have enough margin at this point with what they currently have for sale? I say no. Why do you think they would come back with such a vengeance (now with 2 different turbo power plants)? Remember the E60, which debuted with 184 horsepower in the base model? Here they are ready for an immediate power increase. Obviously, I think they want to market this car at the top of the food chain. I'm sure the 528 will be very competitively priced, but not the others.
barry123 (468hp)	Quote: Originally Posted by RichReg Obviously I think they want to market this car up the food chain. I'm sure the 528 will be very competitively priced, but not the others. You've already seen some of the pricing structure of the 5... The 528 will be an interesting case in terms of standard features - wait and see as BMWNA is still making decisions on how to package it for a specific price level (notice how the 328 for 2010 is missing a few things that have been standard for years!) The GT will set the market cap as 550 from everything I've heard - sort of like the 540 sportwagon did it years ago. BMW is spreading out R&D and increasing economies of scale internally, so there are more shared components than there have been in many years, which can help improve pricing. I would expect a bump of course, but nothing that gives the new product greater value due to technology and overall improvements. The 528i will debut 3-5 weeks after the 535i/550i if everything goes according to current plans. -M
nevergiveu (435hp)	Quote: Originally posted by mapezzul...BMW is spreading out R&D and increasing economies of scale internally, so there are more shared components than there have been in a number of years , which can help with pricing. I would expect a bump of course, but nothing that gives the new product greater value due to the technology and overall improvements. The 528i will debut 3-5 weeks after the 535i/550i if everything goes according to current plans. -M Hopefully BMWNA can offer competitive pricing to all 5-inch lines. Some technologies in the F10 are significantly improved compared to the previous generation, but at the same time expected to be discontinued while competitors also offered similar technology at a competitive price..
infancy (575hp)	$80,000 for a 550i without options? I wonder how well a 550 will work with all wheel drive and a dual clutch transmission here in the US.?
thecure1 (819hp)	Quote: Originally posted by TT C6 $80,000 for a 550i with no options? I wonder how well a 550 will work with AWD and a dual clutch transmission here in the US? Where did you read that the 550i would come with DCT? I highly doubt the DCT will be offered with FI engines in the near future for the same reasons the X5/6 M is not offered with the DCT. I wish I was wrong.
cool16 (691hp)	HE GOT X DRIVE AND HIS SPEED INCREASED. it's a shame that the 535 0 to 60 speed slowed down by half a second. they should lower the price because of this and that gives incentive to buy the 2010 535. 550 is what I'm buying. and you FRANKIE!
insurance1 (750hp)	The speed reduction for the 535i is only on paper... in order to exaggerate the difference between the 535i and the 550i. I can guarantee you the 535i 0-60 is 5.5s and the 550i is less than 5s..
rafale (622hp)	lucky guys. I'll be stuck in an old e60 while driving around town.
theworld (794hp)	Quote: Originally posted by Alchem The speed decrease for the 535i is only on paper...in order to exaggerate the difference between the 535i and 550i. I can guarantee the 535i 0-60 is 5.5s and the 550i is less than 5s. Totally! If the 335i could hit 60 in 4.8, I don't know why the 5-er wouldn't do it in half a second longer or I know it's the new N55, but still 5.5 or a little less is doable 550i, I expect to be around 4.5 If the X6 50i did it in just 5.1, the 5-er carrying more than 1000 lbs lighter should easily be in the mid-low 4s
angel90 (757hp)	HE GOT X DRIVE AND HIS SPEED INCREASED. it's a shame that the 535 0 to 60 speed slowed down by half a second. they should lower the price because of this and that gives incentive to buy the 2010 535. 550 is what I'm buying. and you FRANKIE!
m3amg43 (911hp)	The speed reduction for the 535i is only on paper... in order to exaggerate the difference between the 535i and the 550i. I can guarantee you the 535i 0-60 is 5.5s and the 550i is less than 5s..
141991 (392hp)	lucky guys. I'll be stuck in an old e60 while driving around town.
280584 (139hp)	Quote: Originally posted by Alchem The speed decrease for the 535i is only on paper...in order to exaggerate the difference between the 535i and 550i. I can guarantee the 535i 0-60 is 5.5s and the 550i is less than 5s. Totally! If the 335i could hit 60 in 4.8, I don't know why the 5-er wouldn't do it in half a second longer or I know it's the new N55, but still 5.5 or a little less is doable 550i, I expect to be around 4.5 If the X6 50i did it in just 5.1, the 5-er carrying more than 1000 lbs lighter should easily be in the mid-low 4s
adrian24 (63hp)	I modified the rear of the new F10 5 series to make the taillights a bit more L shaped, IMO. What do you guys think. Sorry for the poor quality but it gives an idea.
sexygirl69 (325hp)	Great job man!! It actually looks better!
reynald (911hp)	I'm not feeling it... I like the thicker look of the original... as the original ones make the car look a bit more compact..
linda69 (120hp)	what is it for
hoihoi (667hp)	Quote: Originally posted by Mu Mu I don't feel like it... I like the chunkier look of the original... as the original ones make the car look a bit more compact. +1 Great job on the PS but I prefer the original. Style is very subjective though, so to each their own. Good thread.
panathinaikos (600hp)	I prefer the original.
stupid22 (12hp)	sorry but it's ugly
tigrotto (759hp)	I think the two parts of each tail light need some balance and I find that in your modification (OP) the part mounted on the trunk lid is too small. I think BMW did a decent job with the new taillights on the F10 series cars. I like the smoke/dark effect...
alexis16 (372hp)	+1 on the original Good job on PS though
16031990 (279hp)	I like its much more aggressive appearance, but not as high quality as the original.
baseball01 (892hp)	I modified the rear of the new F10 5 series to make the taillights a bit more L shaped, IMO. What do you guys think. Sorry for the poor quality but it gives you an idea.
karine73 (225hp)	Great job man!! It actually looks better!
philaroo (951hp)	I'm not feeling it... I like the thicker look of the original... as the original ones make the car look a bit more compact..
violet12 (997hp)	what is it for
Nedim (689hp)	Quote: Originally posted by Mu Mu I don't feel like it... I like the thicker look of the original... as the original ones make the car look a bit more compact. +1 Great job on the PS but I prefer the original. Style is very subjective though, so to each their own. Good thread.
07021992 (778hp)	I prefer the original.
hiroshi (103hp)	sorry but it's ugly
bunnies2 (87hp)	I think the two parts of each tail light need some balance and I find that in your modification (OP) the part mounted on the trunk lid is too small. I think BMW did a decent job with the new taillights on the F10 series cars. I like the smoke/dark effect...
JETLAG Q (877hp)	+1 on the original Good job on PS though
gazprom (116hp)	I like its much more aggressive appearance, but not as quality as the original.
gatito1 (948hp)	Quote: Originally posted by enigma01 for the same reasons that the X5/6 M is not offered with DCT. Please explain. I have NOT heard of DCT for the 55xi. But I will NOT buy a new car without DCT,
bebe13 (390hp)	The 520d SE is the big surprise. The new one comes with a professional radio as standard (E60 is business) - a saving of €295. The F10 has automatic air conditioning, the E60 was an extra €595. The F10 has leather which cost £1,280 on the E60. The F10 has Bluetooth which cost £535 on the E60. The list price has increased by a few hundred pounds, but includes $2,700 worth of kit - all stuff most of us would specify anyway! Result.
abhijeet (282hp)	Quote: Originally published by TT C6 Please explain. I have NOT heard of DCT for the 55xi. But I will NOT buy a new car without DCT, DCT and lots of torque (which FI engines produce) do not go hand in hand. If you want more explanation, check out this link. Is it possible? Yeah. Profitable? No.
duky (768hp)	Quote: Originally posted by enigma01 for the same reasons that the X5/6 M is not offered with DCT. Please explain. I have NOT heard of DCT for the 55xi. But I will NOT buy a new car without DCT,
suchitra (903hp)	The 520d SE is the big surprise. The new one comes with a professional radio as standard (E60 is business) - a saving of €295. The F10 has automatic air conditioning, the E60 was an extra €595. The F10 has leather which cost £1,280 on the E60. The F10 has Bluetooth which cost £535 on the E60. The list price has increased by a few hundred pounds, but includes $2,700 worth of kit - all stuff most of us would specify anyway! Result.
CycloneRcr (435hp)	Quote: Originally published by TT C6 Please explain. I have NOT heard of DCT for the 55xi. But I will NOT buy a new car without DCT, DCT and lots of torque (which FI engines produce) do not go hand in hand. If you want more explanation, check out this link. Is it possible? Yeah. Profitable? No.
220596 (693hp)	Quote: Originally posted by Bammered Now can you get that advanced DSC AND a higher revving turbo powertrain? Diet limit and what to expect? Well, if the power and torque curves are changed, as some here think, you can expect the limit to be increased over that of the X5/6M by probably 3 to 400 rpm. Considering the last M3 only revved 500 rpm higher thanks to its small capacity D/A unit, I don't see why so many people here consider this engine a low rev engine? As for the possible DSC change, I honestly don't know what to expect. In my opinion, you absolutely need more than one MDM mode.
consuelo1 (980hp)	Quote: Posted by dmz I'm pretty sure they'll leave it with the same power output as the X5/X6M. Unlike AMG, BMW doesn't like to have different horsepower of the same engine just for marketing purposes. Additionally, even at the same power level, it will be one of the most powerful cars in its class. There have been many very valid suggestions as to why the M5 will have a _different_ output curve compared to the X6M (even though both share the same engine). But another reason I can think of is the mpg. I'm pretty sure they can't get 10/10 out of it when the engine is in the X6M, probably because the mpg would be pretty, pretty crazy. With the M5 potentially being a bit lighter, they can really go to town with it. I know people don't buy these cars to save the pandas or anything, but these days, single digits or low tens would elicit comments..
davila (244hp)	Quote: Originally posted by Bammered Now can you get that advanced DSC AND a higher revving turbo powertrain? Diet limit and what to expect? Well, if the power and torque curves are changed, as some here think, you can expect the limit to be increased over that of the X5/6M by probably 3 to 400 rpm. Considering the last M3 only revved 500 rpm higher thanks to its small capacity D/A unit, I don't see why so many people here consider this engine a low rev engine? As for the possible DSC change, I honestly don't know what to expect. In my opinion, you definitely need more than one MDM mode.
woodwind (576hp)	Quote: Posted by dmz I'm pretty sure they'll leave it with the same power output as the X5/X6M. Unlike AMG, BMW doesn't like to have different horsepower of the same engine just for marketing purposes. Additionally, even at the same power level, it will be one of the most powerful cars in its class. There have been many very valid suggestions as to why the M5 will have a _different_ output curve compared to the X6M (even though both share the same engine). But another reason I can think of is the mpg. I'm pretty sure they can't get 10/10 out of it when the engine is in the X6M, probably because the mpg would be pretty, pretty crazy. With the M5 potentially being a bit lighter, they can really go to town with it. I know people don't buy these cars to save the pandas or anything, but these days, single digits or low tens would elicit comments..
compton (183hp)	In inches or mm?
chicken101 (819hp)	2094mm
150288 (902hp)	82.4
maeteamo (907hp)	In inches or mm?
lovely19 (833hp)	2094mm
737flyer (29hp)	82.4
professionaltools (44hp)	Hi, I'm new to the forum, just wondering if anyone had any news on the M Sport package for the F.10
01121986 (774hp)	Details of any of them have not yet been released. It might be a while before such a package arrives (perhaps a year after the car's introduction).)
010894 (212hp)	I thought it might be then, thanks
Laura (221hp)	I know there is no official information on the 535d, but I heard it will receive a slight increase in power and torque, bringing it to almost 300 hp and almost 600 Nm..
100179 (607hp)	According to SCOTT: M-Sport Packet available in November 2010. Touring available in November 2010.
Nightmare (911hp)	If this is true, it's a real shame, because I was hoping BMW would offer the M-Sport package within 3-6 months of the car's reveal... .

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