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| haitian1 (890hp) | Well, 8 days later and yesterday I hiked 1,000 miles. It's my first BMW (well, the first one on the road anyway) and I love it. The 520d has more than enough power for an everyday car, I know many of you own the larger engined versions, but coming from a 110hp Hyundai I30 this car is a treat! ACC is a fantastic option, takes all the stress out of the M25 and the reverse car makes parking in tight spots much easier. The voice recognition isn't perfect, but much better than other systems I've used, and the DAB radio is perfect. The only things that aren't so good are that the fuel economy isn't as good as I hoped (I get 43 mpg, the pre-LCI 520 ED I tested got 55 mpg) and I Can't get the iDrive system to respond to emails or text messages. The option is simply grayed out. I think I must be doing something wrong or it's because I'm using an iPhone. Anyway, overall I'm still
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| bananas7 (598hp) | Quote: Originally posted by immx The only things that aren't so good are that the fuel economy isn't as good as I hoped (I get 43 mpg, the pre-LCI 520 ED than I tested (got 55 mpg) and I can't get the iDrive system to respond to emails or texts. The option is simply grayed out. I think I must be doing something wrong or it's because I'm using an iPhone. Anyway, overall I still am. Cars must be driven before they can show the expected MPG figures. On email/text, try to stay still. If they are still gray, there is another problem. Otherwise, DVDinMotion is your answer.
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| alaina1 (220hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sjoerd Cars need to be broken in before they can show the expected MPG numbers. On email/text, try to stay still. If they are still gray, there is another problem. Otherwise, DVDinMotion is your answer. You have to use DVD in Motion (and pay for it!). DVD in Motion features are available via encoding, and it can be done for free...
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| matrix22 (38hp) | Good to know it can be done for free! Do you have an address?
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| coquito (737hp) | Quote: Posted by Sjoerd It's good to know it can be done for free! Do you have an address? I'm in Winchester, Hampshire, UK. DVD in Motion removes the handbrake limitation. BMW has set a limit that you must activate the handbrake to use certain functions of the car (such as browsing the Internet, using BMW online, consulting the user manual, watching videos, etc...). DVD in Motion disables this check. Coding a car can disable control and also change a few additional features of the car. For example, turn off auto stop/start or remember auto start/stop until last use, enable DRL in halogen lights, change ringtone in car, enable different welcome light modes, enable/ deactivate the rear lights in the daytime running lights, etc.....
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| crazy09 (293hp) | Texting while driving, huh? Quote: Originally posted by immx Well, 8 days later and yesterday, I've done 1,000 miles. It's my first BMW (well, the first one on the road anyway) and I love it. The 520d has more than enough power for an everyday car, I know many of you own the larger engined versions, but coming from a 110hp Hyundai I30 this car is a treat! ACC is a fantastic option, takes all the stress out of the M25 and the reverse car makes parking in tight spots much easier. The voice recognition isn't perfect, but much better than other systems I've used, and the DAB radio is perfect. The only things that aren't so good are that the fuel economy isn't as good as I hoped (I get 43 mpg, the pre-LCI 520 ED I tested got 55 mpg) and I Can't get the iDrive system to respond to emails or text messages. The option is simply grayed out. I think I must be doing something wrong or it's because I'm using an iPhone. Anyway, overall I'm still
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| roro123 (621hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Technic Texting while driving, huh? Actually, I meant by voice dictation. I'm sure it was announced somewhere? I really want to learn to code, but I need to dedicate time to it.
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| martin08 (993hp) | There are actually 3 things I would like to code 1. DVD in Motion features 2. The side mirrors fold when locking the car (now you have to hold the lock button down) 3. Close the rear trunk with the button in the car and/or remote, I will be in the UK 1 or 2 times a year with my car, but as I understand you have to code the car after the service as they reset everything?
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| 060493 (496hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sjoerd There are actually 3 things I'd like to code 1. DVD in Motion features 2. Folding mirrors when locking the car (you now have to hold the lock button) 3 . Closing the rear trunk with the button in the car and/or the remote control. I will be in the UK 1 or 2 times a year with my car but as I understand you have to code the car after servicing as they reset everything? All 3 can be done quite easily. I don't think the service guys reset anything. Service engineers only update the firmware if there is something important to update or if there is a specific BMW version, otherwise the service does not always change your settings. Let me know later (when you come to the UK) and we can work something out. I am not available from mid-November to December the first week.
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| 150587 (129hp) | Thanks for the offer! I'll let you know but I don't expect to drive to the UK this year. It usually depends on my stress level with UK airports. I have had the pleasure of being in 6 UK airports in the last two months, security requires a lot of patience
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| brandons (316hp) | Well, 8 days later and yesterday I hiked 1,000 miles. It's my first BMW (well, the first one on the road anyway) and I love it. The 520d has more than enough power for an everyday car, I know many of you own the larger engined versions, but coming from a 110hp Hyundai I30 this car is a treat! ACC is a fantastic option, takes all the stress out of the M25 and the reverse car makes parking in tight spots much easier. The voice recognition isn't perfect, but much better than other systems I've used, and the DAB radio is perfect. The only things that aren't so good are that the fuel economy isn't as good as I hoped (I get 43 mpg, the pre-LCI 520 ED I tested got 55 mpg) and I Can't get the iDrive system to respond to emails or text messages. The option is simply grayed out. I think I must be doing something wrong or it's because I'm using an iPhone. Anyway, overall I'm still
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| 140592 (333hp) | Quote: Originally posted by immx The only things that aren't so good are that the fuel economy isn't as good as I hoped (I get 43 mpg, the pre-LCI 520 ED than I tested (got 55 mpg) and I can't get the iDrive system to respond to emails or texts. The option is simply grayed out. I think I must be doing something wrong or it's because I'm using an iPhone. Anyway, overall I still am. Cars must be driven before they can show the expected MPG figures. On email/text, try to stay still. If they are still gray, there is another problem. Otherwise, DVDinMotion is your answer.
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| cartoons (160hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sjoerd Cars need to be broken in before they can show the expected MPG numbers. On email/text, try to stay still. If they are still gray, there is another problem. Otherwise, DVDinMotion is your answer. You have to use DVD in Motion (and pay for it!). DVD in Motion features are available via encoding, and it can be done for free...
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| autism (145hp) | Good to know it can be done for free! Do you have an address?
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| 18121995 (227hp) | Quote: Posted by Sjoerd It's good to know it can be done for free! Do you have an address? I'm in Winchester, Hampshire, UK. DVD in Motion removes the handbrake limitation. BMW has set a limit that you must activate the handbrake to use certain functions of the car (such as browsing the Internet, using BMW online, consulting the user manual, watching videos, etc...). DVD in Motion disables this check. Coding a car can disable control and also change a few additional features of the car. For example, turn off auto stop/start or remember auto start/stop until last use, enable DRL in halogen lights, change ringtone in car, enable different welcome light modes, enable/ deactivate the rear lights in the daytime running lights, etc.....
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| wutang36 (14hp) | Texting while driving, huh? Quote: Originally posted by immx Well, 8 days later and yesterday, I've done 1,000 miles. It's my first BMW (well, the first one on the road anyway) and I love it. The 520d has more than enough power for an everyday car, I know many of you own the larger engined versions, but coming from a 110hp Hyundai I30 this car is a treat! ACC is a fantastic option, takes all the stress out of the M25 and the reverse car makes parking in tight spots much easier. The voice recognition isn't perfect, but much better than other systems I've used, and the DAB radio is perfect. The only things that aren't so good are that the fuel economy isn't as good as I hoped (I get 43 mpg, the pre-LCI 520 ED I tested got 55 mpg) and I Can't get the iDrive system to respond to emails or text messages. The option is simply grayed out. I think I must be doing something wrong or it's because I'm using an iPhone. Anyway, overall I'm still
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| ghostface (895hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Technic Texting while driving, huh? Actually, I meant by voice dictation. I'm sure it was announced somewhere? I really want to learn to code, but I need to dedicate time to it.
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| junkmail1 (301hp) | There are actually 3 things I would like to code 1. The DVD in Motion features 2. The side mirrors fold when locking the car (now you have to hold the lock button down) 3. Close the rear trunk with the button in the car and/or remote, I will be in the UK 1 or 2 times a year with my car, but as I understand you have to code the car after the service as they reset everything?
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| title (635hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Sjoerd There are actually 3 things I'd like to code 1. DVD in Motion features 2. Folding mirrors when locking the car (you now have to hold the lock button) 3 . Closing the rear trunk with the button in the car and/or the remote control. I will be in the UK 1 or 2 times a year with my car but as I understand you have to code the car after servicing as they reset everything? All 3 can be done quite easily. I don't think the service guys reset anything. Service engineers only update the firmware if there is something important to update or if there is a specific BMW version, otherwise the service does not always change your settings. Let me know later (when you come to the UK) and we can work something out. I am not available from mid-November to December the first week.
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| 5454 (568hp) | Thanks for the offer! I'll let you know but I don't expect to drive to the UK this year. It usually depends on my stress level with UK airports. I have had the pleasure of being in 6 UK airports in the last two months, security requires a lot of patience
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| boys12 (467hp) | Hi, do you know if I can order these parts individually or just as a package? If so, what would be the part number of the plastic cover with the M\\\ ??
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| guitar10 (418hp) | person?
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| pokemon4 (459hp) | You can order it separately from the finishing pack. Simply go to the BMW website and order from there under m performance bro.
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| Taylor1 (294hp) | You know I'm not looking for the whole thing? I just need the part with ///M on it. Quote: Originally posted by ClassM You can order it separately from the finishing package. Simply go to the BMW website and order from there under m performance bro.
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| 0077 (250hp) | Quote: Posted by Badblack550 You know I'm not looking for the whole thing? I just need the part with ///M on it. Quote: Originally posted by ClassM You can order it separately from the finishing package. Just go to the BMW website and order from there under m performance bro. Oh my God, I thought you meant something else. Man, just check eBay, sometimes they have it. Good luck my brother.
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| gioconda (266hp) | Hi, do you know if I can order these parts individually or just as a package? If so, what would be the part number of the plastic cover with the M\\\ ??
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| tinamarie (773hp) | person?
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| shippo1 (548hp) | You can order it separately from the finishing pack. Simply go to the BMW website and order from there under m performance bro.
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| 124421 (424hp) | You know I'm not looking for the whole thing? I just need the part with ///M on it. Quote: Originally posted by ClassM You can order it separately from the finishing package. Simply go to the BMW website and order from there under m performance bro.
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| Packers1 (920hp) | Quote: Posted by Badblack550 You know I'm not looking for the whole thing? I just need the part with ///M on it. Quote: Originally posted by ClassM You can order it separately from the finishing package. Just go to the BMW website and order from there under m performance bro. Oh my God, I thought you meant something else. Man, just check eBay, sometimes they have it. Good luck my brother.
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| slava.grinco (790hp) | What is this? It says this includes an oil change, inspection and recommended 20,000 mile maintenance.
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| version (27hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Martin528 What is it? It says this includes an oil change, inspection and recommended maintenance at 20,000 miles. This means when the odometer reaches 20,000 miles. They probably don't mean a 20,000 mile interval.
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| MRV99 (369hp) | What is due when the odometer hits 20,000 miles?
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| smileyface (385hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Martin528 What happens when the odometer hits 20,000 miles? It depends on your maintenance history.
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| 271280 (783hp) | I thought it was based on condition?
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| BigT (415hp) | Quote: Posted by Martin528 I thought it was based on condition? it is, but you can also get a free low mileage oil change every 12 months if your service indicator hasn't activated yet.
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| psalm139 (330hp) | What is this? It says this includes an oil change, inspection and recommended 20,000 mile maintenance.
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| Secret_Asian (825hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Martin528 What is it? It says this includes an oil change, inspection and recommended maintenance at 20,000 miles. This means when the odometer reaches 20,000 miles. They probably don't mean a 20,000 mile interval.
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| EXCITE (446hp) | What is due when the odometer hits 20,000 miles?
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| sascha1 (75hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Martin528 What happens when the odometer hits 20,000 miles? It depends on your maintenance history.
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| kierra (824hp) | I thought it was based on condition?
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| 290877 (291hp) | Quote: Posted by Martin528 I thought it was based on condition? it is, but you can also get a free low mileage oil change every 12 months if your service indicator hasn't activated yet.
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| Christian1 (738hp) | Nice to see a non-M-Sport LCI. I'm not a fan of the new rear bumper, it looks strange with all that chrome. In Sweden a certain type of people stick chrome details all over their car and it generally looks very bad..
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| godsmack (436hp) | Quote: Originally posted by kave It's nice to see a non-M-Sport LCI. I'm not a fan of the new rear bumper, it looks strange with all that chrome. In Sweden a certain type of people stick chrome details all over their car and it usually looks very bad. It's true that Chrome can seem a little old-fashioned. And I simply would have preferred it. That said, the situation looks much worse in photos than in reality. I would live with...
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| Nikkigphx (664hp) | I showed your photos to Madame, she approves of the end of the stay. It seems to be growing on me too.
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| bmw330 (239hp) | Quote: Originally posted by kave I showed the wife your photos, she approves of the stay ending. It seems to be growing on me too. Take a look at the car at the dealership. I'm sure you would like the new look.
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| baby32 (624hp) | Nice to see a non-M-Sport LCI. I'm not a fan of the new rear bumper, it looks strange with all that chrome. In Sweden a certain type of people stick chrome details all over their car and it generally looks very bad..
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| coke45 (163hp) | Quote: Originally posted by kave It's nice to see a non-M-Sport LCI. I'm not a fan of the new rear bumper, it looks strange with all that chrome. In Sweden a certain type of people stick chrome details all over their car and it usually looks very bad. It's true that Chrome can seem a little old-fashioned. And I simply would have preferred it. That said, the situation looks much worse in photos than in reality. I would live with...
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| olugbenga (210hp) | I showed your photos to Madame, she approves of the end of the stay. It seems to be growing on me too.
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| phish420 (149hp) | Quote: Originally posted by kave I showed the wife your photos, she approves of the stay ending. It seems to be growing on me too. Take a look at the car at the dealership. I'm sure you would like the new look.
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| american12 (252hp) | I still don't understand why the Euro 530d is badged 535d in the US!!!! The Euro 535d is currently not available in the United States.
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| capcom1 (956hp) | This might help you understand that American car is not European car..
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| 0174426 (727hp) | Quote: Originally posted by SpokenHands I still don't understand why the Euro 530d is badged 535d in the US!!!! The Euro 535d is currently not available in the United States. BMW thinks Americans are idiots
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| truong (519hp) | Quote: Originally posted by SpokenHands I still don't understand why the Euro 530d is badged 535d in the US!!!! The Euro 535d is currently not available in the United States. None other than marketing programs
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| Bimmerboy888 (439hp) | Charge more for less. And with all due respect, yes, your average American falls easier than your average European. If you want proof, look no further than But Wait! Call now and you'll get two for the price of a ridiculous type of advertising, which would never work in Europe..
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| maverick2 (500hp) | Quote: Originally posted by lmaleke Nothing but marketing schemes There are ultimately two questions here. 1. Why was the 530d rebadged as the 535d and 2. Why was the Euro 530d chosen to come to the US over the Euro 535d. The answer to the first question most likely lies in simple prices. It would be harder to sell a 530d-badged car that costs more than the 535i. It's all about perception, and it would be difficult to convince the car-buying public. I'm honestly surprised they didn't get more creative and call it 540d or something else to prove it's more expensive. I think this was probably a big factor in the car's name change in America to the 535d. Why the Euro 530d was chosen for introduction in the US over the Euro 535d is another question that I don't think anyone on these forums can really answer unless they are a member of the board of directors of BMW. It's a shame we didn't get the Euro 535d as I would have seriously considered this car at the end of my 535i lease..
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| bigbig1 (358hp) | The Euro 535d would probably be 5k more expensive than the 530d, which would be about 6.5k more expensive than the 535i and you'd really have to drive a lot of miles per year to get any advantage over driving the 535i, especially considering low gas prices in the United States and only 2 liters. per 100 km, better fuel economy of 535d compared to 535i.
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| foreplay (360hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Bond5M5 The Euro 535d would probably be 5k more expensive than the 530d, which would be about 6.5k more expensive than the 535i and you'd really have to drive a lot of miles per year to get an advantage over to driving a 535i, especially given low gas prices. in the US and only 2 liters per 100 km, better fuel economy of 535d compared to 535i. While this is a welcome feature, I don't think people buy BMWs with fuel economy in mind..
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| 11011980 (982hp) | Quote: Posted by metrathon While this is a welcome feature, I don't think people buy BMWs with fuel economy in mind. This is exactly the problem in the US, because gas prices there are so low and the Euro 535d would then be serious competition to the 550i, which BMW doesn't want at all. BMW will never allow any of its models to compete with the 550i, because the US is probably the only market where BMW actually sells the 550i. In Europe, sales of the 550i are marginal, probably only 1-2% of all sales in Europe..
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| 31081978 (770hp) | Americans care about their badges. Which is a pretty stupid act .
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| 281983 (153hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Luminor513 There are ultimately two questions here. 1. Why was the 530d rebadged as the 535d and 2. Why was the Euro 530d chosen to come to the US over the Euro 535d. The answer to the first question probably lies in the simple question of prices. It would be harder to sell a 530d-badged car that costs more than the 535i. It's all about perception, and it would be difficult to convince the car-buying public. I'm honestly surprised they didn't get more creative and call it 540d or something else to prove it's more expensive. I think this was probably a big factor in the car's name change in the US to the 535d. Why the Euro 530d was chosen for introduction in the US over the Euro 535d is another question that I don't think anyone on these forums can really answer unless they are a member of the board of directors of BMW. It's a shame we didn't get the Euro 535d, as I would have seriously considered this car at the end of my 535i lease. I'm pretty sure they chose the 530d because it is/was one of the cleanest/green BMW diesels and the US apparently has very strict emissions laws for diesels in passenger cars. So even though both the 530d and 535d are Euro6 level engines, it may be that only the 530d meets the stricter US emissions legislation..
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| rosa12 (683hp) | I still don't understand why the Euro 530d is badged 535d in the US!!!! The Euro 535d is currently not available in the United States.
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| sistemas (212hp) | This might help you understand that American car is not European car..
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| kjhgfdsa (624hp) | Quote: Originally posted by SpokenHands I still don't understand why the Euro 530d is badged 535d in the US!!!! The Euro 535d is currently not available in the United States. BMW thinks Americans are idiots
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| orangejuice (686hp) | Quote: Originally posted by SpokenHands I still don't understand why the Euro 530d is badged 535d in the US!!!! The Euro 535d is currently not available in the United States. None other than marketing programs
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| 192021 (919hp) | Charge more for less. And with all due respect, yes, your average American falls easier than your average European. If you want proof, look no further than But Wait! Call now and you'll get two for the price of a ridiculous type of advertising, which would never work in Europe..
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| andrusha (156hp) | Quote: Originally posted by lmaleke Nothing but marketing schemes There are ultimately two questions here. 1. Why was the 530d rebadged as the 535d and 2. Why was the Euro 530d chosen to come to the US over the Euro 535d. The answer to the first question probably lies in the simple question of prices. It would be harder to sell a 530d-badged car that costs more than the 535i. It's all about perception, and it would be difficult to convince the car-buying public. I'm honestly surprised they didn't get more creative and call it 540d or something else to prove it's more expensive. I think this was probably a big factor in the car's name change in the US to the 535d. Why the Euro 530d was chosen for introduction in the US over the Euro 535d is another question that I don't think anyone on these forums can really answer unless they are a member of the board of directors of BMW. It's a shame we didn't get the Euro 535d as I would have seriously considered this car at the end of my 535i lease..
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| linda15 (667hp) | The Euro 535d would probably be 5k more expensive than the 530d, which would be about 6.5k more expensive than the 535i and you'd really have to drive a lot of miles per year to get any advantage over driving the 535i, especially considering low gas prices in the United States and only 2 liters. per 100 km, better fuel economy of 535d compared to 535i.
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| Aarwins (765hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Bond5M5 The Euro 535d would probably be 5k more expensive than the 530d, which would be about 6.5k more expensive than the 535i and you'd really have to drive a lot of miles per year to get an advantage over to driving a 535i, especially given low gas prices. in the US and only 2 liters per 100 km, better fuel economy of 535d compared to 535i. While this is a welcome feature, I don't think people buy BMWs with fuel economy in mind..
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| Kimberly1 (250hp) | Quote: Posted by metrathon While this is a welcome feature, I don't think people buy BMWs with fuel economy in mind. This is exactly the case in the USA, because gas prices there are so low and the Euro 535d would then be serious competition to the 550i, which BMW doesn't want at all. BMW will never allow any of its models to compete with the 550i, because the US is probably the only market where BMW actually sells the 550i. In Europe, sales of the 550i are marginal, probably only 1-2% of all sales in Europe..
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| theused2 (690hp) | Americans care about their badges. Which is a pretty stupid act .
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| sch00l (272hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Luminor513 There are ultimately two questions here. 1. Why was the 530d rebadged as the 535d and 2. Why was the Euro 530d chosen to come to the US over the Euro 535d. The answer to the first question probably lies in the simple question of prices. It would be harder to sell a 530d-badged car that costs more than the 535i. It's all about perception, and it would be difficult to convince the car-buying public. I'm honestly surprised they didn't get more creative and call it 540d or something else to prove it's more expensive. I think this was probably a big factor in the car's name change in the US to the 535d. Why the Euro 530d was chosen for introduction in the US over the Euro 535d is another question that I don't think anyone on these forums can really answer unless they are a member of the board of directors of BMW. It's a shame we didn't get the Euro 535d, as I would have seriously considered this car at the end of my 535i lease. I'm pretty sure they chose the 530d because it is/was one of the cleanest/green BMW diesels and the US apparently has very strict emissions laws for diesels in passenger cars. So even though both the 530d and 535d are Euro6 level engines, it may be that only the 530d complies with the stricter US emissions legislation..
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| deepak (900hp) | My car has it, but I don't really know what it is. I assume this charges the battery when I brake? However, at low speeds, I feel the car brake slightly when I let go of the accelerator (I don't use auto-hold). Is this part of this system? It's quite annoying and I'd like to disable this feature if possible.
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| ilovejuan1 (234hp) | I would rather call it a smart alternator. I think the way it works is that by using braking effort (or non-braking effort) it can avoid draining the engine at other times to give you power or economy. But I understand what you mean about slowing down. Let off the throttle and it shifts, which isn't so smooth.
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| tree1234 (346hp) | Quote: Posted by FnoFFen My car has this, but I don't really know what it is. I assume this charges the battery when I brake? However, at low speeds, I feel the car brake slightly when I let go of the accelerator (I don't use auto-hold). Is this part of this system? This is quite annoying and I would like to disable this feature if possible. The “regeneration” is not connected to the brakes, it is as said, an intelligent alternator. I don't understand how you feel it, because in my 535i (when displayed under load on the screen, when overtaking when it starts) there is no feeling of feedback through the transmission. The whole thing is silky smooth, as is the downshift. HighlandPete
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| veggie (284hp) | Quote: Posted by HighlandPete Quote: Posted by FnoFFen My car has this, but I don't really know what it is. I assume this charges the battery when I brake? However, at low speeds, I feel the car brake slightly when I let go of the accelerator (I don't use auto-hold). Is this part of this system? This is quite annoying and I would like to disable this feature if possible. The “regeneration” is not connected to the brakes, it is as said, an intelligent alternator. I don't understand how you feel it, because in my 535i (when displayed under load on the screen, when overtaking when it starts) there is no feeling of feedback through the transmission. The whole thing is silky smooth, as is the downshift. HighlandPete Highland, I agree with you. I think what puzzles people is precisely this silky softness. In most non-BMW vehicles, letting off the throttle will pretty much leave you at high speeds for a few months---depending on grade, etc. But, letting off the accelerator on a BMW, at high speed, slows you down noticeably. You almost feel a pull in the opposite direction. This does not happen if you have the new system which puts you in neutral in Eco Pro under specific conditions..
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| BMWgunship (395hp) | I noticed this, if you take your foot off to coast to a stop, for example at traffic lights, the gearbox downshifts and you get engine braking that is not so smooth. Compared to my previous e39, it's not as smooth although I think the car would stay in 2nd gear rather than shifting into 1st (except in d/s mode)
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| 88mustang (616hp) | The new LCI has a navigation mode in ECO PRO mode. This causes the gearbox to freewheel when the accelerator is released...
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| nikita11 (439hp) | Quote: Originally posted by AP I noticed this: if you release your foot to coast to a stop, for example at traffic lights, the gearbox downshifts and you get engine braking which is not so fluid. Compared to my previous e39, it's not as smooth although I think the car would stay in 2nd rather than shifting into 1st (except in d/s mode). It's pretty much the opposite in my 535i, the engine throttles back to about 1000 rpm. before it changes (and then only increases about 200 rpm or so) when slowing down to an intersection. Say I'm going downhill from 60 mph towards a restricted area, I usually have to touch my brakes if I'm following others doing the same, because the car rolls so freely (compared to other cars) when overtaking. I think some of the differences we find are in the use of the accelerator pedal. The speed of movement of the pedal (same for the brake pedal) modifies the characteristics of the gearbox. But with a slow release of the pedal, there is no forced shift in my car. Clearly observe the regeneration function displayed, again without any sensation. Drive harder and the gearbox wakes up, as I expected, but still exceptionally smooth. HighlandPete
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| 10121990 (120hp) | Mines like Petes, they don't seem to slow down at all when you lift off the throttle and coast and I never even notice the downhill changes, they are so smooth..
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| 230396 (824hp) | Quote: Posted by FnoFFen My car has this, but I don't really know what it is. I assume this charges the battery when I brake? However, at low speeds, I feel the car brake slightly when I let go of the accelerator (I don't use auto-hold). Is this part of this system? This is quite annoying and I would like to disable this feature if possible. My LCI 528 does exactly the same thing. At highway speeds, the car feels like it's cruising when you take your foot off the accelerator, but at low speeds, like when crossing a parking lot, there's an immediate and not-so-subtle deceleration when you take the pedal off. foot of the accelerator. I really don't like this feeling. It almost feels like the emergency brake is slightly applied. I let a friend drive my car and she immediately complained about the feeling. I would like the cause to be deactivated.
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| 124816 (419hp) | It's not regenerative braking, it's downshifting the transmission. It's about trying to slow the car down with engine braking, a lot of performance cars have a program like this, you just have to get used to it..
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| dolphins12 (126hp) | First post.. finally In my '12 528xi vehicle and also being my first BMW and first car with regenerative braking, I don't mind the behavior at higher or even medium speeds. Where it bothers me is when I'm driving down the first part of my driveway, which has about a 15 degree slope, I tend to just take my foot off the gas. At first I coast, then almost throw myself over when the regen light comes on. I haven't yet paid attention to whether he changed gears. I just wish the slot wasn't there. This never happens at higher gears or speeds.
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| victoria14.09 (217hp) | I assume what you are describing is coasting engine braking. If you come from a manual transmission car, you know it. The BMW ZF 8-speed is intelligently programmed and uses more engine braking than a traditional automatic. Engine braking is a good way to reduce brake wear. What BMW also does is engage the alternator so that it is only driven during engine braking. This way no fuel is used to charge the battery. To create a smooth transition between downshifts and engine braking, the software lets the engine run between shifts, then after about a second you can feel the effect of engine braking (and also see the regen bar s 'to light up). If it went straight to engine braking and downshifted at the same time, you would feel a jerk when the lower gear engaged. This is due to a much tighter torque converter that doesn't allow as much slip as old school converters. It's a bit like being smooth with the clutch pedal on a manual transmission rather than just taking your foot off the pedal when downshifting. The same effect is also present when coasting when you stay in the same gear. It tries to create a smooth transition and not go straight to engine braking. The 8 speed car feels much more like a manual transmission since the torque converter is much more direct than older automatic transmission cars. I actually like the direct, responsive feel of the transmission compared to many other cars. In Sport mode this effect is even more pronounced and my car almost feels twitchy when pressing the accelerator pedal at certain speeds. In the M5/M6 in M mode, this effect is so pronounced that it's almost difficult to drive at a constant speed on winding roads at low speeds. IMHO the car feels alert and ready
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| mjak (277hp) | Interesting comments and some opposing experiences. I wonder if some of the differences are in the gearbox mode we use? I am referring to normal/comfort mode “D”. Where there is no gear change for engine braking at lower speeds, going downhill to an intersection. As noted earlier, the engine drops down to about 1,000 rpm, then slows down smoothly, without any lurch, jerk or lunge, nothing like that at all. Sport mode is a different animal, as you'd expect, as it has to downshift to maintain a certain revs. It may therefore lose some of its silky softness. I have driven a few examples of 5, 6 and 8 speed gearboxes and have never had a gearbox behave differently when coasting up to a 'D' intersection. I know other drivers have had jerking and even the "D" "clicking" issue (especially the 6 speed automatic), but that was/is not a problem that is not the standard. Going down slopes/hills and releasing the throttle will cause a downward shift (or two), again this is normal. But it usually depends on how fast the pedal is lifted. Likewise, a quick tap on the brakes will cause downhill changes on a slope. Interested to see if all experiences play out when using 'D' in normal/comfort modes. HighlandPete
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| hussain1 (742hp) | Quote: Originally posted by HighlandPete Interesting comments and some opposing experiences. I wonder if some of the differences are in the gearbox mode we use? I am referring to normal/comfort mode “D”. Where there is no gear change for engine braking at lower speeds, going downhill to an intersection. As noted earlier, the engine drops down to about 1,000 rpm, then slows down smoothly, without any lurch, jerk or lunge, nothing like that at all. Sport mode is a different animal, as you'd expect, as it has to downshift to maintain a certain revs. It may therefore lose some of its silky softness. I have driven a few examples of 5, 6 and 8 speed gearboxes and have never had a gearbox behave differently when coasting up to a 'D' intersection. I know other drivers have had jerking and even the "D" "clicking" issue (especially the 6 speed automatic), but that was/is not a problem that is not the standard. Going down slopes/hills and releasing the throttle will cause a downward shift (or two), again this is normal. But it usually depends on how fast the pedal is lifted. Likewise, a quick tap on the brakes will cause downhill changes on a slope. Interested to see if all experiences play out when using 'D' in normal/comfort modes. HighlandPete My experiences in D are exactly the same as yours. Agree with everything you wrote.
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| azerty1234 (124hp) | It really depends on what the driver is used to driving or their previous cars. Coming from a non-performing car or even a Mercedes, it will take some time to get used to downshifting. If your last few cars were performance sedans or stick shifts, it's almost a natural transition. All my BMWs and Audis did this, coasting downshifts and my later BMWs and Audis did not have regenerative braking. I suppose the aggressiveness of a transexual downshift depends on one's driving style, as does how the transexual upshifts. The adaptive transmission will learn and shift up/down accordingly. A few things to try here are you might want to put the transmission in neutral when braking to confirm that it's the transexual slowing the car and you could also try resetting the transmission and see if the downshift improves. For those of you with new cars, it will take some time for the transmission to deteriorate. It's the deceleration when you release the accelerator, it's probably the brake of the new powertrain..
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| lamont (25hp) | My car has it, but I don't really know what it is. I assume this charges the battery when I brake? However, at low speeds, I feel the car brake slightly when I let go of the accelerator (I don't use auto-hold). Is this part of this system? It's quite annoying and I'd like to disable this feature if possible.
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| michaeldorian (543hp) | I would rather call it a smart alternator. I think the way it works is that by using braking effort (or non-braking effort) it can avoid draining the engine at other times to give you power or economy. But I understand what you mean about slowing down. Let off the throttle and it shifts, which isn't so smooth.
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| 131294 (80hp) | Quote: Posted by FnoFFen My car has this, but I don't really know what it is. I assume this charges the battery when I brake? However, at low speeds, I feel the car brake slightly when I let go of the accelerator (I don't use auto-hold). Is this part of this system? This is quite annoying and I would like to disable this feature if possible. The “regeneration” is not connected to the brakes, it is as said, an intelligent alternator. I don't understand how you feel it, because in my 535i (when displayed under load on the screen, when overtaking when it starts) there is no feeling of feedback through the transmission. The whole thing is silky smooth, as is the downshift. HighlandPete
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| MoonBMWer (344hp) | Quote: Posted by HighlandPete Quote: Posted by FnoFFen My car has this, but I don't really know what it is. I assume this charges the battery when I brake? However, at low speeds, I feel the car brake slightly when I let go of the accelerator (I don't use auto-hold). Is this part of this system? This is quite annoying and I would like to disable this feature if possible. The “regeneration” is not connected to the brakes, it is as said, an intelligent alternator. I don't understand how you feel it, because in my 535i (when displayed under load on the screen, when overtaking when it starts) there is no feeling of feedback through the transmission. The whole thing is silky smooth, as is the downshift. HighlandPete Highland, I agree with you. I think what puzzles people is precisely this silky softness. In most non-BMW vehicles, letting off the throttle will pretty much leave you at high speeds for a few months---depending on grade, etc. But, letting off the accelerator on a BMW, at high speed, slows you down noticeably. You almost feel a pull in the opposite direction. This does not happen if you have the new system which puts you in neutral in Eco Pro under specific conditions..
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| xxxxxxxxxxxx (789hp) | I noticed this, if you take your foot off to coast to a stop, for example at traffic lights, the gearbox downshifts and you get engine braking that is not so smooth. Compared to my previous e39, it's not as smooth although I think the car would stay in 2nd gear rather than shifting into 1st (except in d/s mode)
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| nascar6 (838hp) | The new LCI has a navigation mode in ECO PRO mode. This causes the gearbox to freewheel when the accelerator is released...
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| smack (368hp) | Quote: Originally posted by AP I noticed this: if you release your foot to coast to a stop, for example at traffic lights, the gearbox downshifts and you get engine braking which is not so fluid. Compared to my previous e39, it's not as smooth although I think the car would stay in 2nd rather than shifting into 1st (except in d/s mode). It's almost the opposite in my 535i, the engine throttles back to around 1000 rpm. before it changes (and then only increases about 200 rpm or so) when slowing down to an intersection. Say I'm going downhill from 60 mph towards a restricted area, I usually have to touch my brakes if I'm following others doing the same, because the car rolls so freely (compared to other cars) when overtaking. I think some of the differences we find are in the use of the accelerator pedal. The speed of movement of the pedal (same for the brake pedal) modifies the characteristics of the gearbox. But with a slow release of the pedal, there is no forced shift in my car. Clearly observe the regeneration function displayed, again without any sensation. Drive harder and the gearbox wakes up, as I expected, but still exceptionally smooth. HighlandPete
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| cancun1 (490hp) | Mines like Petes, they don't seem to slow down at all when you lift off the throttle and coast and I never even notice the downhill changes, they are so smooth..
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| bionic (186hp) | Quote: Posted by FnoFFen My car has this, but I don't really know what it is. I assume this charges the battery when I brake? However, at low speeds, I feel the car brake slightly when I let go of the accelerator (I don't use auto-hold). Is this part of this system? This is quite annoying and I would like to disable this feature if possible. My LCI 528 does exactly the same thing. At highway speeds, the car feels like it's cruising when you take your foot off the accelerator, but at low speeds, like when crossing a parking lot, there's an immediate and not-so-subtle deceleration when you take the pedal off. foot of the accelerator. I really don't like this feeling. It almost feels like the emergency brake is slightly applied. I let a friend drive my car and she immediately complained about the feeling. I would like the cause to be deactivated.
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| 05121989 (356hp) | It's not regenerative braking, it's downshifting the transmission. It's about trying to slow the car down with engine braking, a lot of performance cars have a program like this, you just have to get used to it..
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| 1dipset (985hp) | First post.. finally In my '12 528xi vehicle and also being my first BMW and first car with regenerative braking, I don't mind the behavior at higher or even medium speeds. Where it bothers me is when I'm driving down the first part of my driveway, which has about a 15 degree slope, I tend to just take my foot off the gas. At first I coast, then almost throw myself over when the regen light comes on. I haven't yet paid attention to whether he changed gears. I just wish the slot wasn't there. This never happens at higher gears or speeds.
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| cnarrod (918hp) | I assume what you are describing is coasting engine braking. If you come from a manual transmission car, you know it. The BMW ZF 8-speed is intelligently programmed and uses more engine braking than a traditional automatic. Engine braking is a good way to reduce brake wear. What BMW also does is engage the alternator so that it is only driven during engine braking. This way no fuel is used to charge the battery. To create a smooth transition between downshifts and engine braking, the software lets the engine run between shifts, then after about a second you can feel the effect of engine braking (and also see the regen bar s 'to light up). If it went straight to engine braking and downshifted at the same time, you would feel a jerk when the lower gear engaged. This is due to a much tighter torque converter that doesn't allow as much slip as old school converters. It's a bit like being smooth with the clutch pedal on a manual transmission rather than just taking your foot off the pedal when downshifting. The same effect is also present when coasting when you stay in the same gear. It tries to create a smooth transition and not go straight to engine braking. The 8 speed car feels much more like a manual transmission since the torque converter is much more direct than older automatic transmission cars. I actually like the direct, responsive feel of the transmission compared to many other cars. In Sport mode this effect is even more pronounced and my car almost feels twitchy when pressing the accelerator pedal at certain speeds. In the M5/M6 in M mode, this effect is so pronounced that it's almost difficult to drive at a constant speed on winding roads at low speeds. IMHO the car feels alert and ready
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| disney123 (542hp) | Interesting comments and some opposing experiences. I wonder if some of the differences are in the gearbox mode we use? I am referring to normal/comfort mode “D”. Where there is no gear change for engine braking at lower speeds, going downhill to an intersection. As noted earlier, the engine drops down to about 1,000 rpm, then slows down smoothly, without any lurch, jerk or lunge, nothing like that at all. Sport mode is a different animal, as you'd expect, as it has to downshift to maintain a certain revs. It may therefore lose some of its silky softness. I have driven a few examples of 5, 6 and 8 speed gearboxes and have never had a gearbox behave differently when coasting up to a 'D' intersection. I know other drivers have had jerking and even the "D" "clicking" issue (especially the 6 speed automatic), but that was/is not a problem that is not the standard. Going down slopes/hills and releasing the throttle will cause a downward shift (or two), again this is normal. But it usually depends on how fast the pedal is lifted. Likewise, a quick tap on the brakes will cause downhill changes on a slope. Interested to see if all experiences play out when using 'D' in normal/comfort modes. HighlandPete
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| towski1 (444hp) | Quote: Originally posted by HighlandPete Interesting comments and some opposing experiences. I wonder if some of the differences are in the gearbox mode we use? I am referring to normal/comfort mode “D”. Where there is no gear change for engine braking at lower speeds, going downhill to an intersection. As noted earlier, the engine drops down to about 1,000 rpm, then slows down smoothly, without any lurch, jerk or lunge, nothing like that at all. Sport mode is a different animal, as you might expect, as it has to downshift to maintain a certain revs. It may therefore lose some of its silky softness. I have driven a few examples of 5, 6 and 8 speed gearboxes and have never had a gearbox behave differently when coasting up to a 'D' intersection. I know other drivers have had jerking and even the "D" "clicking" issue (especially the 6 speed automatic), but that was/is not a problem that is not the standard. Going down slopes/hills and releasing the throttle will cause a downward shift (or two), again this is normal. But it usually depends on how fast the pedal is lifted. Likewise, a quick tap on the brakes will cause descent changes on a slope. Interested to see if all experiences play out when using 'D' in normal/comfort modes. HighlandPete My experiences in D are exactly the same as yours. Agree with everything you wrote.
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| warzilla (751hp) | It really depends on what the driver is used to driving or their previous cars. Coming from a non-performing car or even a Mercedes, it will take some time to get used to downshifting. If your last cars were performance sedans or stick shifts, it's almost a natural transition. All my BMWs and Audis did this, coasting downshifts and my later BMWs and Audis did not have regenerative braking. I suppose the aggressiveness of a transexual downshift depends on one's driving style, as does how the transexual upshifts. The adaptive transmission will learn and shift up/down accordingly. A few things to try here are you might want to put the transmission in neutral when braking to confirm that it's the transexual slowing the car and you could also try resetting the transmission and see if the downshift improves. For those of you with new cars, it will take some time for the transmission to deteriorate. It's the deceleration when you release the accelerator, it's probably the brake of the new powertrain..
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| Bmw2012 (357hp) | Our community, from what I have observed... is highly informative and helpful in terms of support. However, there are a few flaws that I would like to correct. I'll start with the most obvious: for those who constantly preach a clean look regarding emblems or design sense... the reason these dealer badges aren't attractive is because of the gaudy chrome and its reflections, which distract the eyes and it's too... not the fact that it's a badge. Rebadging an M5 replaced with black or a more subtle color compared to the native chrome is sometimes more tangible than debadging. As a lead concept artist, I'm always re-educating new artists on the difference between plain and simple. Clean renders your details consistently to demonstrate smooth transitions and provide a refreshing cadence. Basically, a lot can happen, but be careful to invoke language without becoming too busy. Simple is good... when there isn't much. I simply resent his unhealthy thinking and end up forming a prejudice against more complicated approaches. A former student of mine preferred silhouetted landscapes, beautifully defined landscape paintings. His argument was that two-tone images were clearer and simpler – his opinion. He finally learned that it was just...simple. After years of demanding and humbling experiences as an artist, he realized how distorted his perception was and created a one-dimensional mindset. The danger I see in these warnings is that if we limit our vision to only seeing the simple as clean... then we overlook our ability to APPRECIATE anything outside of that range. I've seen 5ers hit because they decided to rebadge with another color instead of completely debadging even though it was completely fine and done correctly. Another example is someone who painted their reflectors a different color than the vehicle and was told it wasn't clean and therefore didn't like it. I found the contrast to be liberating and added a nice touch. In even more extreme situations, a member was undermined with their 5 Series compared to a Honda or Acura simply because they switched to black grilles. I felt like as a community we were denoting a mature standard - after seeing the age range in everyone's age thread. That's not to say we're forbidden from having fun and being silly from time to time...let's just not turn this into a high school environment where we all have to be generic. This closes the doors to anyone looking to express something unique and exciting. So my point is...we inherently set policies and trends based on how we judge each other. Newcomers, as any logical human being would when faced with social challenges... will try to adopt these precepts so that they can blend in or integrate. We are responsible for the behavior associated with our community even if we are not the moderators. forums. Try not to hate or lash out just because it's not your cup of tea. I apologize for those who had to painfully read all this nonsense lol. I really love it here and think there's room to grow. I'm just trying to contribute. This is my stroke of the pen. Stay classy - LACSTER
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| Carrozzeria (76hp) | Very thoughtful article. THANKS. I want my F10 to be an expression of my energy and my character. I use subtle refinements and accessories to achieve this: wheel/tire selection, color, custom license tag, performance upgrades, to name a few. The joke is on me. Bimmer or not, I'm a 64 year old grandfather who is obviously a fugitive from Weight Watchers. I remember Mickey Roarke in Sin City: today's cars all look like electric razors. I just want to have the baddest electric razor when the light turns green. Have fun! Life is too short to drive a boring car.
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| kiki21 (797hp) | I agree. The beauty of the F10 is that it is a very well proportioned car that is suitable for all age groups. You have owners in their 20s and 30s who choose an F10 5 series over a 3 series or sports cars and you have owners in their 60s and 70s who find comfort and luxury superior to anything else exists on the market in this area. price level. In my opinion, the only wrong thing to do when it comes to modifying a vehicle is to change badges in an upward direction. If you bought the 528i, it seems silly to put a 550i badge on it. Accept the difference. The 528i has the same luxurious interior as the M5, but offers superb fuel economy. The 535i is the Goldilocks of the series with just enough power and just enough weight to be nimble. Let's not forget that there is something intangibly satisfying about owning a BMW with a straight-6 in the same way that there is rewarding owning a red Ferrari or a green British Jaguar. If you own an American 535d, it's perfectly legitimate to keep the 535d badge. If you want to rebadge to 530d (the same way Infiniti G owners rebadged to Nissan Skyline), that's perfectly fine too. You'd just look silly putting an M550d badge on it. Badge upgrades aside, it's your car: you should take advantage of it.
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| zimmerman (225hp) | Wow, I've never seen it this way with a clean and simple thing. It still made a lot of sense, but you know, some of us aren't artists or that experienced, so I enjoy the writing, bro. I think a lot of people want to post their cars to see, but don't because they're afraid of getting criticized. One thing I completely agree with is that rebadging to another model is stupid lol.
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| winter05 (764hp) | Quote: Originally posted by HighConcept Our community, from what I have observed... is highly informative and helpful in support. However, there are a few flaws that I would like to correct. I'll start with the most obvious: for those who constantly preach a clean look regarding emblems or design sense... the reason these dealer badges aren't attractive is because of the gaudy chrome and its reflections, which distract the eyes and it's too... not the fact that it's a badge. Rebadging an M5 replaced with black or a more subtle color compared to the native chrome is sometimes more tangible than debadging. As a lead concept artist, I'm always re-educating new artists on the difference between plain and simple. Clean renders your details consistently to demonstrate smooth transitions and provide a refreshing cadence. Basically, a lot can happen, but be careful to invoke language without becoming too busy. Simple is good... when there isn't much. I simply resent his unhealthy thinking and end up forming a prejudice against more complicated approaches. A former student of mine preferred silhouetted landscapes, beautifully defined landscape paintings. His argument was that two-tone images were clearer and simpler – his opinion. He finally learned that it was just...simple. After years of demanding and humbling experiences as an artist, he realized how distorted his perception was and created a one-dimensional mindset. The danger I see in these warnings is that if we limit our vision to only seeing the simple as clean...then we overlook our ability to APPRECIATE anything outside of that range. I've seen 5ers hit because they decided to rebadge with another color instead of completely debadging even though it was completely fine and done correctly. Another example is someone who painted their reflectors a different color than the vehicle and was told it wasn't clean and therefore didn't like it. I found the contrast to be liberating and added a nice touch. In even more extreme situations, a member was undermined with their 5 Series compared to a Honda or Acura simply because they switched to black grilles. I felt like as a community we were denoting a mature standard - after seeing the age range in everyone's age thread. That's not to say we're forbidden from having fun and being silly from time to time...let's just not turn this into a high school environment where we all have to be generic. This closes the doors to anyone looking to express something unique and exciting. So my point is...we inherently set policies and trends based on how we judge each other. Newcomers, as any logical human being would when faced with social challenges...will try to adopt these precepts so that they can blend in or integrate. We are responsible for the behavior associated with our community even if we are not the moderators. forums. Try not to hate or lash out just because it's not your cup of tea. I apologize for those who had to painfully read all this nonsense lol. I really love it here and think there's room to grow. I'm just trying to contribute. This is my pencil stroke. Stay classy - Lacster An interesting take on things....I agree.
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| pedrodonkey (613hp) | Quote: Originally posted by GringoEd Very thoughtful post. THANKS. I want my F10 to be an expression of my energy and my character. I use subtle refinements and accessories to achieve this: wheel/tire selection, color, custom license tag, performance upgrades, to name a few. The joke is on me. Bimmer or not, I'm a 64 year old grandfather who is obviously a fugitive from Weight Watchers. I remember Mickey Roarke in Sin City: today's cars all look like electric razors. I just want to have the baddest electric razor when the light turns green. Have fun! Life is too short to drive a boring car. THANKS. And I completely agree...life is way too short. Quote: Originally posted by GXAlan I agree. The beauty of the F10 is that it is a very well proportioned car that is suitable for all age groups. You have owners in their 20s and 30s who choose an F10 5 series over a 3 series or sports cars and you have owners in their 60s and 70s who find comfort and luxury superior to anything else exists on the market in this area. price level. In my opinion, the only wrong thing to do when it comes to modifying a vehicle is to change badges in an upward direction. If you bought the 528i, it seems silly to put a 550i badge on it. Accept the difference. The 528i has the same luxurious interior as the M5, but offers superb fuel economy. The 535i is the Goldilocks of the series with just enough power and just enough weight to be nimble. Let's not forget that there is something intangibly satisfying about owning a BMW with a straight-6 in the same way that there is rewarding owning a red Ferrari or a green British Jaguar. If you own an American 535d, it's perfectly legitimate to keep the 535d badge. If you want to rebadge to 530d (the same way Infiniti G owners rebadged to Nissan Skyline), that's perfectly fine too. You'd just look silly putting an M550d badge on it. Badge upgrades aside, it's your car – you should enjoy it. Yes, poseurs... with their false representation and identity lol. This would not be considered modding at all. Quote: Originally posted by ClassM Wow, I've never seen it that way with a clean and simple thing. It still made a lot of sense, but you know, some of us aren't artists or that experienced, so I enjoy the writing, bro. I think a lot of people want to post their cars to see, but don't because they're afraid of getting criticized. One thing I completely agree with is that rebadging to another model is stupid lol. This is very true, I see the world from an artistic point of view in a much more colorful framework with the knowledge and experience I have acquired. This is actually one of the main reasons why opinions are subjective and so scattered everywhere, while life is more objective in its understanding, everyone has a different level of intelligence, behavior and influence. This article is intended to encourage those who are afraid of expressing their creativity in modding or who develop anxiety around expressing an opinion. Quote: Originally posted by btv764 An interesting take on things...I agree.
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| spatel19 (606hp) | Quote: Originally posted by HighConcept Our community, from what I have observed... is highly informative and helpful in support. However, there are a few flaws that I would like to correct. I'll start with the most obvious: for those who constantly preach a clean look regarding emblems or design sense... the reason these dealer badges aren't attractive is because of the gaudy chrome and its reflections, which distract the eyes and it's too... not the fact that it's a badge. Rebadging an M5 replaced with black or a more subtle color compared to the native chrome is sometimes more tangible than debadging. As a lead concept artist, I'm always re-educating new artists on the difference between plain and simple. Clean renders your details consistently to demonstrate smooth transitions and provide a refreshing cadence. Basically, a lot can happen, but be careful to invoke language without becoming too busy. Simple is good... when there isn't much. I simply resent his unhealthy thinking and end up forming a prejudice against more complicated approaches. A former student of mine preferred silhouetted landscapes, beautifully defined landscape paintings. His argument was that two-tone images were clearer and simpler – his opinion. He finally learned that it was just...simple. After years of demanding and humbling experiences as an artist, he realized how distorted his perception was and created a one-dimensional mindset. The danger I see in these warnings is that if we limit our vision to only seeing the simple as clean...then we overlook our ability to APPRECIATE anything outside of that range. I've seen 5ers hit because they decided to rebadge with another color instead of completely debadging even though it was completely fine and done correctly. Another example is someone who painted their reflectors a different color than the vehicle and was told it wasn't clean and therefore didn't like it. I found the contrast to be liberating and added a nice touch. In even more extreme situations, a member was undermined with their 5 Series compared to a Honda or Acura simply because they switched to black grilles. I felt like as a community we were denoting a mature standard - after seeing the age range in everyone's age thread. That's not to say we're forbidden from having fun and being silly from time to time...let's just not turn this into a high school environment where we all have to be generic. This closes the doors to anyone looking to express something unique and exciting. So my point is...we inherently set policies and trends based on how we judge each other. Newcomers, as any logical human being would when faced with social challenges...will try to adopt these precepts so that they can blend in or integrate. We are responsible for the behavior associated with our community even if we are not the moderators. forums. Try not to hate or lash out just because it's not your cup of tea. I apologize for those who had to painfully read all this nonsense lol. I really love it here and think there's room to grow. I'm just trying to contribute. This is my stroke of the pen. Stay Classy - Lacster Great article and I agree 100% I've never understood why people use the term clean too much when reviewing a stock car. It's not clean, it's his stock. There is no
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| Spartak (449hp) | Very well said @HighConcept and refreshing to see something like this on the forums.
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| janicka (450hp) | Excellent article High Concept.
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| sahil (485hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Alan L. Great article and I agree 100%. I've never understood why people use the term "clean" too much when reviewing a stock car. It's not clean, it's his stock. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's just not the right term to use. Also, I've always believed that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all unless someone asks for your opinion. Alan Yeah, exactly how I feel haha – you understand me. Quote: Posted by LACSTER Very well said @HighConcept and refreshing to see something like this on the forums. I just had to edit my post...realizing that your username is actually in all caps lol. One of the most influential presences here, I saw your character as one of the most modest and humble...so I just had to steal your phrase used in a previous thread and quote it. Thank you for the comment, greatly appreciated. Quote: Originally posted by Cairo Kid Great post High Concept. I don't know if it's excellent, but I'm grateful that you enjoyed it.
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| puppy22 (248hp) | During a team building exercise I once participated in, the facilitator cleverly taught different people in our group different rules for a game we were to play. When the game started, I was very strict about enforcing the rules and didn't understand why my teammates didn't understand them. It was quite an interesting experience lol. Our cars should be personal expressions of ourselves. If someone is proud of their expression and wishes to share, it is more in keeping with the spirit of this forum to share their joy. If someone is genuinely looking for opinions, I think it's also appropriate to give honest feedback (without being hurtful).).
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| 150191 (448hp) | Quote: Originally posted by Cairo Kid During a team building exercise I once participated in, the facilitator cleverly taught different people in our group the different rules of a game we had to play. When the game started, I was very strict about enforcing the rules and didn't understand why my teammates didn't understand them. It was quite an interesting experience lol. Our cars should be personal expressions of ourselves. If someone is proud of their expression and wishes to share, it is more in keeping with the spirit of this forum to share their joy. If someone is genuinely looking for opinions, I think it's also appropriate to give honest feedback (without being hurtful). Exactly, big difference between a criticism and just downright nasty remarks.
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| 07071997 (75hp) | Our community, from what I have observed... is highly informative and helpful in terms of support. However, there are a few flaws that I would like to correct. I'll start with the most obvious: for those who constantly preach a clean look regarding emblems or design sense... the reason these dealer badges aren't attractive is because of the gaudy chrome and its reflections, which distract the eyes and it's too... not the fact that it's a badge. Rebadging an M5 replaced with black or a more subtle color compared to the native chrome is sometimes more tangible than debadging. As a lead concept artist, I'm always re-educating new artists on the difference between plain and simple. Clean renders your details consistently to demonstrate smooth transitions and provide a refreshing cadence. Basically, a lot can happen, but be careful to invoke language without becoming too busy. Simple is good... when there isn't much. I simply resent his unhealthy thinking and end up forming a prejudice against more complicated approaches. A former student of mine preferred silhouetted landscapes, beautifully defined landscape paintings. His argument was that two-tone images were clearer and simpler – his opinion. He finally learned that it was just...simple. After years of demanding and humbling experiences as an artist, he realized how distorted his perception was and created a one-dimensional mindset. The danger I see in these warnings is that if we limit our vision to only seeing the simple as clean...then we overlook our ability to APPRECIATE anything outside of that range. I've seen 5ers hit because they decided to rebadge with another color instead of completely debadging even though it was completely fine and done correctly. Another example is someone who painted their reflectors a different color than the vehicle and was told it wasn't clean and therefore didn't like it. I found the contrast to be liberating and added a nice touch. In even more extreme situations, a member was undermined with their 5 Series compared to a Honda or Acura simply because they switched to black grilles. I felt like as a community we were denoting a mature standard - after seeing the age range in everyone's age thread. That's not to say we're forbidden from having fun and being silly from time to time...let's just not turn this into a high school environment where we all have to be generic. This closes the doors to anyone looking to express something unique and exciting. So my point is...we inherently set policies and trends based on how we judge each other. Newcomers, as any logical human being would when faced with social challenges...will try to adopt these precepts so that they can blend in or integrate. We are responsible for the behavior associated with our community even if we are not the moderators. forums. Try not to hate or lash out just because it's not your cup of tea. I apologize for those who had to painfully read all this nonsense lol. I really love it here and think there's room to grow. I'm just trying to contribute. This is my stroke of the pen. Stay classy - LACSTER
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| unleashed (539hp) | Very thoughtful article. THANKS. I want my F10 to be an expression of my energy and my character. I use subtle refinements and accessories to achieve this: wheel/tire selection, color, custom license tag, performance upgrades, to name a few. The joke is on me. Bimmer or not, I'm a 64 year old grandfather who is obviously a fugitive from Weight Watchers. I remember Mickey Roarke in Sin City: today's cars all look like electric razors. I just want to have the baddest electric razor when the light turns green. Have fun! Life is too short to drive a boring car.
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| lastname (733hp) | I agree. The beauty of the F10 is that it is a very well proportioned car that is suitable for all age groups. You have owners in their 20s and 30s who choose an F10 5 series over a 3 series or sports cars and you have owners in their 60s and 70s who find comfort and luxury superior to anything else exists on the market in this area. price level. In my opinion, the only wrong thing to do when it comes to modifying a vehicle is to change badges in an upward direction. If you bought the 528i, it seems silly to put a 550i badge on it. Accept the difference. The 528i has the same luxurious interior as the M5, but offers superb fuel economy. The 535i is the Goldilocks of the series with just enough power and just enough weight to be nimble. Let's not forget that there is something intangibly satisfying about owning a BMW with a straight-6 in the same way that there is rewarding owning a red Ferrari or a green British Jaguar. If you own an American 535d, it's perfectly legitimate to keep the 535d badge. If you want to rebadge to 530d (the same way Infiniti G owners rebadged to Nissan Skyline), that's perfectly fine too. You'd just look silly putting an M550d badge on it. Badge upgrades aside, it's your car: you should take advantage of it.
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| underwood1 (591hp) | Wow, I've never seen it this way with a clean and simple thing. It still made a lot of sense, but you know, some of us aren't artists or that experienced, so I appreciate the article, bro. I think a lot of people want to post their cars to see, but don't because they're afraid of getting criticized. One thing I completely agree with is that rebadging to another model is stupid lol.
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| fuckyou111 (585hp) | Quote: Originally posted by HighConcept Our community, from what I have observed... is highly informative and helpful in support. However, there are a few flaws that I would like to correct. I'll start with the most obvious: for those who constantly preach a clean look regarding emblems or design sense... the reason these dealer badges aren't attractive is because of the gaudy chrome and its reflections, which distract the eyes and it's too... not the fact that it's a badge. Rebadging an M5 replaced with black or a more subtle color compared to the native chrome is sometimes more tangible than debadging. As a lead concept artist, I'm always re-educating new artists on the difference between plain and simple. Clean renders your details consistently to demonstrate smooth transitions and provide a refreshing cadence. Basically, a lot can happen, but be careful to invoke language without becoming too busy. Simple is good... when there isn't much. I simply resent his unhealthy thinking and end up forming a prejudice against more complicated approaches. A former student of mine preferred silhouetted landscapes, beautifully defined landscape paintings. His argument was that two-tone images were clearer and simpler – his opinion. He finally learned that it was just...simple. After years of demanding and humbling experiences as an artist, he realized how distorted his perception was and created a one-dimensional mindset. The danger I see in these warnings is that if we limit our vision to only seeing the simple as clean...then we overlook our ability to APPRECIATE anything outside of that range. I've seen 5ers hit because they decided to rebadge with another color instead of completely debadging even though it was completely fine and done correctly. Another example is someone who painted their reflectors a different color than the vehicle and was told it wasn't clean and therefore didn't like it. I found the contrast to be liberating and added a nice touch. In even more extreme situations, a member was undermined with their 5 Series compared to a Honda or Acura simply because they switched to black grilles. I felt like as a community we were denoting a mature standard - after seeing the age range in everyone's age thread. That's not to say we're forbidden from having fun and being silly from time to time...let's just not turn this into a high school environment where we all have to be generic. This closes the doors to anyone looking to express something unique and exciting. So my point is...we inherently set policies and trends based on how we judge each other. Newcomers, as any logical human being would when faced with social challenges...will try to adopt these precepts so that they can blend in or integrate. We are responsible for the behavior associated with our community even if we are not the moderators. forums. Try not to hate or lash out just because it's not your cup of tea. I apologize for those who had to painfully read all this nonsense lol. I really love it here and think there's room to grow. I'm just trying to contribute. This is my stroke of the pen. Stay classy - Lacster An interesting take on things....I agree.
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| ellie2 (451hp) | Quote: Originally posted by GringoEd Very thoughtful post. THANKS. I want my F10 to be an expression of my energy and my character. I use subtle refinements and accessories to achieve this: wheel/tire selection, color, custom license tag, performance upgrades, to name a few. The joke is on me. Bimmer or not, I'm a 64 year old grandfather who is obviously a fugitive from Weight Watchers. I remember Mickey Roarke in Sin City: today's cars all look like electric razors. I just want to have the baddest electric razor when the light turns green. Have fun! Life is too short to drive a boring car. THANKS. And I completely agree...life is way too short. Quote: Originally posted by GXAlan I agree. The beauty of the F10 is that it is a very well proportioned car that is suitable for all age groups. You have owners in their 20s and 30s who choose an F10 5 series over a 3 series or sports cars and you have owners in their 60s and 70s who find comfort and luxury superior to anything else exists on the market in this area. price level. In my opinion, the only wrong thing to do when it comes to modifying a vehicle is to change badges in an upward direction. If you bought the 528i, it seems silly to put a 550i badge on it. Accept the difference. The 528i has the same luxurious interior as the M5, but offers superb fuel economy. The 535i is the Goldilocks of the series with just enough power and just enough weight to be nimble. Let's not forget that there is something intangibly satisfying about owning a BMW with a straight-6 in the same way that there is rewarding owning a red Ferrari or a green British Jaguar. If you own an American 535d, it's perfectly legitimate to keep the 535d badge. If you want to rebadge to 530d (the same way Infiniti G owners rebadged to Nissan Skyline), that's perfectly fine too. You'd just look silly putting an M550d badge on it. Badge upgrades aside, it's your car – you should enjoy it. Yes, poseurs... with their false representation and identity lol. This would not be considered modding at all. Quote: Originally posted by ClassM Wow, I've never seen it that way with a clean and simple thing. It still made a lot of sense, but you know, some of us aren't artists or that experienced, so I appreciate the article, bro. I think a lot of people want to post their cars to see, but don't because they're afraid of getting criticized. One thing I completely agree with is that rebadging to another model is stupid lol. This is very true, I see the world from an artistic point of view in a much more colorful framework with the knowledge and experience I have acquired. This is actually one of the main reasons why opinions are subjective and so scattered everywhere, whereas life being more objective in its understanding, everyone has a different level of intelligence, behavior and influence. This article is intended to encourage those who are afraid of expressing their creativity in modding or who develop anxiety around expressing an opinion. Quote: Originally posted by btv764 An interesting take on things...I agree.
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